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If the belief that ''if they left us then they were not of us'' is wrong then explain this verse.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they were of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out so that it might be revealed that they were not all of us. 1Jn 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know the truth.
Also...if we can lose our salvation then why does peter say this?...
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has regenerated us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled, and unfading, reserved in Heaven for you
I do not believe in in osas but i do believe in preserverance of the saints. If god predestined who would be saved then how can it be our choice. We are basically saying that god is controled by our choices eliminating his omnipotence. I dont know about you but when i say god did all the work, then im giving him all the glory. But when i say it was my choice, then i wouldnt be saved if it wasnt for me. God gives us the faith, and grace that we need in order to be saved. Otherwise we wouldnt even search for god. Dont believe me? then read romans chapters 1, 2 , and 3. Were all paul talks about is how depraved and unable we are to even search for god. I may be wrong in my view but in the end, im giving god all the glory with this belief because i can truly say that im saved by his power, grace and love and not by anything i said on/or did. I wouldnt have believed unless he gave me faith. It was him. Thats were faith and repentance comes from. Not of our choice. We are completely dead in sin which means we cant ask or even want life. If i die i cannot ask god to revive me, he needs to do it for me if he wills it. Same thing spiritually. We dont get it because we ask for it, we ask for it because we already have it (if we are truly asking sincerely). If you want to repent then god already put it in your heart and your action is just the evidence of that. I hope i didnt offend anyone but this what i believe and i can back it all up with scripture.
And please be openminded about what im saying, dont just ignore it or disagree without studying it first. God bless.
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they were of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out so that it might be revealed that they were not all of us. 1Jn 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know the truth.
Also...if we can lose our salvation then why does peter say this?...
1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has regenerated us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled, and unfading, reserved in Heaven for you
I do not believe in in osas but i do believe in preserverance of the saints. If god predestined who would be saved then how can it be our choice. We are basically saying that god is controled by our choices eliminating his omnipotence. I dont know about you but when i say god did all the work, then im giving him all the glory. But when i say it was my choice, then i wouldnt be saved if it wasnt for me. God gives us the faith, and grace that we need in order to be saved. Otherwise we wouldnt even search for god. Dont believe me? then read romans chapters 1, 2 , and 3. Were all paul talks about is how depraved and unable we are to even search for god. I may be wrong in my view but in the end, im giving god all the glory with this belief because i can truly say that im saved by his power, grace and love and not by anything i said on/or did. I wouldnt have believed unless he gave me faith. It was him. Thats were faith and repentance comes from. Not of our choice. We are completely dead in sin which means we cant ask or even want life. If i die i cannot ask god to revive me, he needs to do it for me if he wills it. Same thing spiritually. We dont get it because we ask for it, we ask for it because we already have it (if we are truly asking sincerely). If you want to repent then god already put it in your heart and your action is just the evidence of that. I hope i didnt offend anyone but this what i believe and i can back it all up with scripture.
And please be openminded about what im saying, dont just ignore it or disagree without studying it first. God bless.