So! You have the Holy Spirit IN you?

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Since I started my repentance from the sin in my life, I have had so many people tell me that I have the Holy Spirit in me. But is this true? Well, I have NEVER believed them. Something always told me that these people that say these words does not have the Holy Spirit in them either, and they have no clue as to what a person looks like when they have the Holy Spirit in him. More importantly … what a person DO when he have the Holy Spirit in him! They do greater works than Jesus!
Now 14 years later and with a lot more Bible knowledge through many hours of quiet time WITH the Holy Spirit, I know why! If you think you have the Holy Spirit in you, and you want to be sure you know what you talk about, answer this question to yourself! “Do I receive EVERYTHING I ask of God?” If your answer is …NO! Beware!!!! If it is yes, I will say to you….. Oh blessed man of God this has realized in your life! From the book of John 14:12 to 14… 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
I KNOW I do not have the Holy Spirit in me because I do not get all my prayers answered. I do not do greater works than Jesus. I know Jesus does not and cannot lie, but I also know MANY people lie when they say they have the Holy Spirit, and then they are as powerless as I in the works Jesus did. Oh Satan sends them MANY pastors and false teachers to comfort them in their hopeless state, but even these pastors are as powerless in God’s work as I am. They also pray for many sick, and then that person remains sick. Jesus NEVER said to a lame person….. “Rise and walk!”… and that person remained lame. If I fail ONCE in prayer, I Fail the Holy Spirit test.
This I type in BOLD so that you do not misunderstand this verse….. Jesus CANNOT lie…. He said any person that believes on HIM shall do greater works than Jesus Himself, because ….. IT IS GOD”S WILL! THAT IS THE WAY FATHER GOD IS GLORIFIED IN THE HOLY PEOPLE TODAY! Holy people are holy because of the Holy Spirit IN THEM. Not WITH them, IN THEM!!!
When we repent we receive the Holy Spirit as a teacher, and a LEADER, and we should FOLLOW Him. Let us get this….. The day we give our hearts to Jesus we get a LEADER….. The LEAD us to Jesus. If we stop following Him, we obviously do not want to give our hearts to Jesus. And without perseverance… FOLLOWING the Holy Spirit, we cannot hand our hearts over to Jesus. When you give your heart to Jesus, you will have to do so IN PERSON. And that can only happen once you followed the Holy Spirit ALL THE WAY to the presence of the SON! You are only saved once you GAVE JESUS YOUR ALL! Jesus says…. Matthew 24:13….13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. . Look there is an endurance period…. What did you endure in the first day you “gave your heart” to Jesus? You have to endure FOLLOWING the Holy Spirit in His teaching and His LEAD!!!! Where does the Holy Spirit leads you too? To Jesus and Father God. And The Holy Spirit leads you OUT of ALL sin in your life! The Holy Spirit leads you in Truth to Holiness. John 16:13…. It is this Spirit that will glorify God IN US!!! And the Works this Spirit does through us is greater than the works He did through Jesus! This Spirit is the Spirit that TEACHES us this Truth!
If you do not believe this, you do not believe the Spirit that so many people claim they have inside them! Just as Jesus spoke only the Words God gave Him, so will this exact same Spirit that was in Jesus, also do GREATER things than Jesus did! GET IT! If you have the Holy Spirit you will do greater things than Jesus! I do not do these things, because I have my spirit in me. If and when I am FILLED with God’s Spirit, is there place for my spirit in me? NO!!! Filled with Holy Spirit means…. FILLED!
To clearly see a transformation from man to holy man, we will read how a town got saved by God! Remember the Lord Jesus said…. Those that endures to the end, they shall be saved. The end of what we may ask, well, it is to the end of MYSELF! The moment I die spiritually, that same moment Jesus is reborn in me! AND THEN I AM SAVED. This moment is referred to in the word as… Reborn / filled with the Holy Spirit / baptized in the Holy Spirit / Born of God / God’s Seed remaineth in me / receiving the Gift of the Holy Spirit / Quickened by the Holy Spirit / Glorified / Holy man / SAVED / made One with God / To be IN God and son / Both the Father and Jesus made their abode with this person / The Love of God been perfected!
Let us bow our confused heads and ask the Spirit of God, the Spirit Whom is WITH us all to SHOW us His Way! It is God’s promise that if we hear this Word and DO IT that we shall know the Truth and that His Truth shall SET US FREE! Now ask with me….. “Father, please let me know Your Truth, AMEN!”
Before we read Acts 8, let us look at what the city of Samaria believed God was… They believed Simon the sorcerer, giving out himself as a great one. He was so successful that the people even said… This man is the great power of God…. Just as we do with our pastors and ministers, we also believe them to be God’s men, but are they? We will see! Just like Samaria we might be mislead! But then Philip came along and he OUTPERFORMED Simon. Now the people witnessed GOD AT WORK! But look the people WITH ONE ACCORD gave heed to Philip! And now the unclean spirits were chased out of the people! The lame got healed. ALL of them! You can reason that these people believed that is why they got healed, but Philip was pretty impressive because HE WAS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT! But he was a deacon and an evangelist, not an Apostle! Evangelists and Apostles have different authority and gifts! And now we know what Samaria was like before God, let us read How God became evident in the people of Samaria, and how they were saved!

Now let us read Acts 8 from verse 5 to 17. 5Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 7For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. 8And there was great joy in that city. 9But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. 12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Now my life and how I gave HEED to God! Like Samaria, I was also tricked by the great power of God in my pastor. This pastor was telling me that I have the Holy Spirit in me and that I am reborn, because I gave my heart to Jesus! Well I believed him but maybe not as complete as Samaria believed Simon! Then one night God said to me…. “Genesis 1:1 START!!!!!” It was like a Philip entered into my life the moment when I started reading the Bible with the Holy Spirit as my guide, I suddenly discovered the TRUTH, not half the truth presented by a misleading spirit like Simon (or in my case my pastor)
When I read in Genesis 4 that God said to Cain that he should RULE over sin, I was furious with all the preachers that preached that we CANNOT rule over sin, and that we will always be fallible men. Well obviously they NEVER read Genesis 4, because God COMMANDS Cain to rule over sin. Even when it is sin’s desire to be part of us, we should RULE OVER SIN! It was only the beginning of MANY disappointments in the SIMONS of this world they are the many false pastors that were not appointed by God. And even though some of them perform miracles in the Name of Jesus, I am now convinced that like me Jesus does not even KNOW them or me.
The difference between me and the false teachers is: I believe we CAN live a sinless life here on earth. And if I am wrong, then God was disappointing! But if I am right and God wants it for my life, then they will NEVER experience perfection! Maybe that is why Jesus said… Matthew 5:48 … 48Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Jesus knew what His salvation will achieve when God finally GLORIFY a saved person.
Look at this….. Eph 4:11 to 13…. 11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Now! Let us pull this apart and devour this Word, maybe this will also happen to us!
1. God appoints these people!
2. These people had to be perfect themselves. How can a person that is not perfect himself help another person to be perfect? And what made these people perfect in the first place? Well God did.
3. The word saint in greek is “HAGIOS” Meaning …. Spiritually pure, and morily blameless. Even before God this person is already found without sin! But apperently by this text this person (sinless person) is not yet perfect to the measure of Jesus Christ. And not yet fit sor the work of the ministry. Or to be edified into the Body of Christ, and to be brought into the UNITY of the faith, to the full knowledge of the Son of God. Unto a PERFECT man. To the full measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.
Let there be NO misunderstanding here…. I did not write the Bible, I KNOW God did! And this is God’s teachings. God says here that HE appointed these office-bearers for the PERFECTING of the sinless people (saints). If God says He appointed these people to perform this work, then He will also make them ABLE to perform these tasks.
Because we know ONLY Jesus is perfect, God confirms this with… Unto a perfect man to the same stature than Jesus. Then it makes only perfect sense that it is the fulfilling of the Holy Spirit that ensures this perfection. The obvious…. Perfect = Filled with Holy Spirit. Normal human = not filled with Holy Spirit. And there is nothing more to say about this.
What did Jesus say about perfect…. Be perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. That means to be as perfect as God Himself, and this we know only the Holy Spirit can be. If there is 99% Holy Spirit and 1% human (sinning) spirit in a body, it means that body is imperfect! It has to be 100% or 0%. Remember John the Baptist…. God said he would be filled with the Holy Ghost even from his mother’s womb. Luke 1: 15. That is why John the Baptist also did not sin in his life. And he could not because He was filled with GOD’S SPIRIT! John was never reborn, but he was chosen to be the holy prophet to prepare the way for Jesus, and the holy prophet Eliah, God promised was John the baptist.
See holy people were ALWAYS driven by the Holy Ghost… 2 Peter 1:21. And the Holy Ghost can only drive perfectly! If a body sin AFTER the Holy Spirit took over, God sins! A body cannot receive the Holy Spirit as an indwelling spirit, when there are an unclean spirit in the body. That unclean spirit needs to repent! DIE OFF SIN! It needs to be washed by the blood of Jesus to become clean and then God will baptize it with holiness. All clean spirits are baptized into God’s Holy Spirit, to become the same Holy Spirit, A Spirit that can obey GOD ONLY! Like Jesus did.
Jesus says….. 1 John 4:1… 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
A spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, is a person that lives like Jesus. Aperfect clean life with MANY Godly attributes! And a person that CLAIMS this but lives like other humans in sin is from the ANTICHRIST! I know thousands of these people. I am not one of them, because I have NEVER claimed to have the Holy Spirit in me! But I am sure I have the Holy Spirit WITH me, otherwise I would not have known this to share with you! And I have a hope that soon He will move in, because I obey Him, as good as I can. He laid it on my heart to share this with you, and I did!
May the Father grant me His perfection, it is in His will, not mine! And because He wants too, I would propably also receive it! May Father God have His way! Amen!
 

zone

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Since I started my repentance from the sin in my life, I have had so many people tell me that I have the Holy Spirit in me. But is this true? Well, I have NEVER believed them. Something always told me that these people that say these words does not have the Holy Spirit in them either, and they have no clue as to what a person looks like when they have the Holy Spirit in him. More importantly … what a person DO when he have the Holy Spirit in him! They do greater works than Jesus!
OH BROTHER.
started repentence?
you think the earnest of The Holy Spirit given at salvation suddenly makes a sinner able to pass through walls, foretell the future, raise the dead, go to the 3rd heaven etc?
mkay.

Now 14 years later and with a lot more Bible knowledge through many hours of quiet time WITH the Holy Spirit,
um...when exactly DID you receive the Holy Spirit then?
or did you? or does he just hang out WITH you?:confused:waiting for you to GET GOOD?

I know why! If you think you have the Holy Spirit in you, and you want to be sure you know what you talk about, answer this question to yourself! “Do I receive EVERYTHING I ask of God?” If your answer is …NO! Beware!!!!
who told you you would receive everything you ask for?
oh. i see....you're twisting John 14.

well, i wanted a rolls royce and i got it....am i saved?

If it is yes, I will say to you….. Oh blessed man of God this has realized in your life! From the book of John 14:12 to 14…
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.!
go and learn what this meaneth. PLEASE.

I KNOW I do not have the Holy Spirit in me because I do not get all my prayers answered. I do not do greater works than Jesus. I know Jesus does not and cannot lie, but I also know MANY people lie when they say they have the Holy Spirit, and then they are as powerless as I in the works Jesus did
my advice to you is turn off your TV is you've learned this from televangelists...or run from the building they are telling you is CHURCH if this is what they are teaching you.

Oh Satan sends them MANY pastors and false teachers to comfort them in their hopeless state, but even these pastors are as powerless in God’s work as I am. They also pray for many sick, and then that person remains sick. Jesus NEVER said to a lame person….. “Rise and walk!”… and that person remained lame. If I fail ONCE in prayer, I Fail the Holy Spirit test.
:eek:this is very sad. i'm sorry you've been taught this junk.

but please stop teaching it to others.

This I type in BOLD so that you do not misunderstand this verse….. Jesus CANNOT lie…. He said any person that believes on HIM shall do greater works than Jesus Himself, because ….. IT IS GOD”S WILL! THAT IS THE WAY FATHER GOD IS GLORIFIED IN THE HOLY PEOPLE TODAY! Holy people are holy because of the Holy Spirit IN THEM. Not WITH them, IN THEM!!!
get serious. figure out what this means.
and for goodness sake stay aware from the EXTREME PROPHETIC CHARISMATIC CROWD.

When we repent we receive the Holy Spirit as a teacher, and a LEADER, and we should FOLLOW Him. Let us get this….. The day we give our hearts to Jesus we get a LEADER….. The LEAD us to Jesus. If we stop following Him, we obviously do not want to give our hearts to Jesus. And without perseverance… FOLLOWING the Holy Spirit, we cannot hand our hearts over to Jesus. When you give your heart to Jesus, you will have to do so IN PERSON. And that can only happen once you followed the Holy Spirit ALL THE WAY to the presence of the SON! You are only saved once you GAVE JESUS YOUR ALL! Jesus says…. Matthew 24:13….
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. .
LAW LAW LAW LAW LAW LAW

good luck with that.

PLEASE GIVE ME THE NAMES OF THE devils THAT HAVE TAUGHT YOU THIS.
I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT HERETICS THEY ARE.

Look there is an endurance period…. What did you endure in the first day you “gave your heart” to Jesus? You have to endure FOLLOWING the Holy Spirit in His teaching and His LEAD!!!! Where does the Holy Spirit leads you too? To Jesus and Father God. And The Holy Spirit leads you OUT of ALL sin in your life! The Holy Spirit leads you in Truth to Holiness. John 16:13…. It is this Spirit that will glorify God IN US!!! And the Works this Spirit does through us is greater than the works He did through Jesus! This Spirit is the Spirit that TEACHES us this Truth!
bud, you got it ALL WRONG. you receive the GIFT of The Holy Spirit when you BELIEVED.
FAITH....do you know how you are saved?

you think it takes more than faith in JESUS' FINISHED WORK to please God?
you will NEVER have peace or joy.

and you may be falling into the Galatian heresy. run away from the creeps that are teaching you this.

If you do not believe this, you do not believe the Spirit that so many people claim they have inside them! Just as Jesus spoke only the Words God gave Him, so will this exact same Spirit that was in Jesus, also do GREATER things than Jesus did! GET IT! If you have the Holy Spirit you will do greater things than Jesus! I do not do these things, because I have my spirit in me. If and when I am FILLED with God’s Spirit, is there place for my spirit in me? NO!!! Filled with Holy Spirit means…. FILLED!!
if you don't have The Holy Spirit indwelling you, you clearly will NOT understand ANYTHING.
just relax, read the Gospels, have FAITH IN GOD.

To clearly see a transformation from man to holy man, we will read how a town got saved by God! Remember the Lord Jesus said…. Those that endures to the end, they shall be saved. The end of what we may ask, well, it is to the end of MYSELF! The moment I die spiritually, that same moment Jesus is reborn in me! AND THEN I AM SAVED. This moment is referred to in the word as… Reborn / filled with the Holy Spirit / baptized in the Holy Spirit / Born of God / God’s Seed remaineth in me / receiving the Gift of the Holy Spirit / Quickened by the Holy Spirit / Glorified / Holy man / SAVED / made One with God / To be IN God and son / Both the Father and Jesus made their abode with this person / The Love of God been perfected!!!
oh wow.
this is heartbreaking.

Let us bow our confused heads and ask the Spirit of God, the Spirit Whom is WITH us all to SHOW us His Way! It is God’s promise that if we hear this Word and DO IT that we shall know the Truth and that His Truth shall SET US FREE! Now ask with me….. “Father, please let me know Your Truth, AMEN!” !!!
who taught you this stuff? why don't you have faith in God, huh? who had done this terrible thing to you?

look here:

John 6:28-29
Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”

Before we read Acts 8, let us look at what the city of Samaria believed God was… They believed Simon the sorcerer, giving out himself as a great one. He was so successful that the people even said…
This man is the great power of God….
Just as we do with our pastors and ministers, we also believe them to be God’s men, but are they? We will see! Just like Samaria we might be mislead! But then Philip came along and he OUTPERFORMED Simon. Now the people witnessed GOD AT WORK! But look the people WITH ONE ACCORD gave heed to Philip! And now the unclean spirits were chased out of the people! The lame got healed. ALL of them! You can reason that these people believed that is why they got healed, but Philip was pretty impressive because HE WAS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT! But he was a deacon and an evangelist, not an Apostle! Evangelists and Apostles have different authority and gifts! And now we know what Samaria was like before God, let us read How God became evident in the people of Samaria, and how they were saved! !!!

so....you think the stuff the CHARISMATICS and EXTREME PHROPHETIC people teach -miracles, tongues, phorphetic uttering, raising the dead, people healed in shadows - THE ACTS OF THE APOSTLES are normative for today and the evidence that you are saved?:(

i can't even continue with the rest. this is......a tragedy.
 
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Zone, i been in seclusion for the fourteen years, I do not own a TV, I do not go to ANY church. I only read the Bible and wait for the Teacher to Reveal the Word. And i can see you are offended by what i said, and that saddens me, but maybe if you knew me then and now you will see that I am being saved! Am i saved yet? Nope, is my name written in the book of life, i have that hope in me Yes. The very hope of 1 John 3: 4. Oh yes all who are saved can do more than Jesus, but we also know that Father do not keep them up for the evil ones like myself. Did He not say, that as SOON as the fruit is ripe He harvest? That time is now! Mark4:29. There is not many places for holy people here on this earth. (Luke 9:55 to 58) And did God not say that the ones that DIED in Christ are Hid with Him in Father? (Colossians 3:3) That is why we as evil ones CANNOT see them, we have to also be IN GOD before we do know and see them.

The names and Names of my teachers and Teacher are: Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James and Abba Father. The reaon why I know it is God that is busy with me..... The love i have for YOU! I love you with a love that i did not have before! And this love will be perfected, to the same level of Abba Father. I do this, because I love Him because He loved me FIRST. May the Truth of God make us free Zone. So free that we are truly not from this earth!
 
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Promises related to the Holy in John 14-16 have no bearing on ANYONE today. That was a limited promise given to the Apostles for their Inspired ministry.

Others receive the Holy Spirit to speak in tongues and/or work miracles through the laying on of the Apostles' hands.
 

zone

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Zone, i been in seclusion for the fourteen years, I do not own a TV, I do not go to ANY church.

I only read the Bible and wait for the Teacher to Reveal the Word.

And i can see you are offended by what i said, and that saddens me, but maybe if you knew me then and now you will see that I am being saved! Am i saved yet? Nope, is my name written in the book of life, i have that hope in me Yes.

The very hope of 1 John 3: 4. Oh yes all who are saved can do more than Jesus, but we also know that Father do not keep them up for the evil ones like myself. Did He not say, that as SOON as the fruit is ripe He harvest? That time is now! Mark4:29. There is not many places for holy people here on this earth. (Luke 9:55 to 58) And did God not say that the ones that DIED in Christ are Hid with Him in Father? (Colossians 3:3) That is why we as evil ones CANNOT see them, we have to also be IN GOD before we do know and see them.

The names and Names of my teachers and Teacher are: Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James and Abba Father. The reaon why I know it is God that is busy with me..... The love i have for YOU! I love you with a love that i did not have before! And this love will be perfected, to the same level of Abba Father. I do this, because I love Him because He loved me FIRST. May the Truth of God make us free Zone. So free that we are truly not from this earth!
friend.
i have no idea what to say to you other than that i will pray for you.
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY.
i write this in hope for you, through many tears.
zone.
 
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DanuckInUSA

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Fellowship is an integral part of the walk. I would encourage you to do so.
 
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OK I am going to make some paragraphs for you so it will be easier to read and comment on :)

Since I started my repentance from the sin in my life, I have had so many people tell me that I have the Holy Spirit in me. But is this true? Well, I have NEVER believed them. Something always told me that these people that say these words does not have the Holy Spirit in them either, and they have no clue as to what a person looks like when they have the Holy Spirit in him. More importantly … what a person DO when he have the Holy Spirit in him! They do greater works than Jesus!

kind of judgmental sounding? its hard to say only God knows if they have the Spirit or not. :)


]Now 14 years later and with a lot more Bible knowledge through many hours of quiet time WITH the Holy Spirit, I know why! If you think you have the Holy Spirit in you, and you want to be sure you know what you talk about, answer this question to yourself! “Do I receive EVERYTHING I ask of God?” If your answer is …NO! Beware!!!! If it is yes, I will say to you….. Oh blessed man of God this has realized in your life! From the book of John 14:12 to 14…

As I have said before just because you have the Holy Spirit in you, it does not mean you will get everything you want. It mean that your heart is in line with God that everything YOU want matches what GOD wants for you and this world.

I KNOW I do not have the Holy Spirit in me because I do not get all my prayers answered. I do not do greater works than Jesus. I know Jesus does not and cannot lie, but I also know MANY people lie when they say they have the Holy Spirit, and then they are as powerless as I in the works Jesus did. Oh Satan sends them MANY pastors and false teachers to comfort them in their hopeless state, but even these pastors are as powerless in God’s work as I am. They also pray for many sick, and then that person remains sick. Jesus NEVER said to a lame person….. “Rise and walk!”… and that person remained lame. If I fail ONCE in prayer, I Fail the Holy Spirit test.

no that is not true that is not how you test if a person has the Holy Spirit. Jesus did and does NOT dance for those who tell Him to dance and perform signs and wonders so that they might be shown as His chosen people. I will pray you will continue to study and pray and learn with the Lord the truth about this matter. Tread carefully for the path is full of stumbling blocks.

]This I type in BOLD so that you do not misunderstand this verse….. Jesus CANNOT lie…. He said any person that believes on HIM shall do greater works than Jesus Himself, because ….. IT IS GOD”S WILL! THAT IS THE WAY FATHER GOD IS GLORIFIED IN THE HOLY PEOPLE TODAY! Holy people are holy because of the Holy Spirit IN THEM. Not WITH them, IN THEM!!

Yes and that is a great thing. Upon Jesus death He had 120 disciples, how many call upon the name of Jesus today? What greater work is there then to free souls from the bounds of sin and lead them to acceptance of Christ unto salvation?


When we repent we receive the Holy Spirit as a teacher, and a LEADER, and we should FOLLOW Him. Let us get this….. The day we give our hearts to Jesus we get a LEADER….. The LEAD us to Jesus. If we stop following Him, we obviously do not want to give our hearts to Jesus. And without perseverance… FOLLOWING the Holy Spirit, we cannot hand our hearts over to Jesus. When you give your heart to Jesus, you will have to do so IN PERSON. And that can only happen once you followed the Holy Spirit ALL THE WAY to the presence of the SON! You are only saved once you GAVE JESUS YOUR ALL!

Yes that is very true. even unto death of self and flesh


If you have the Holy Spirit you will do greater things than Jesus! I do not do these things, because I have my spirit in me. If and when I am FILLED with God’s Spirit, is there place for my spirit in me? NO!!! Filled with Holy Spirit means…. FILLED!


are you filled with the Holy Spirit now?

Now ask with me….. “Father, please let me know Your Truth, AMEN!”

Amen


ok I will post the other half with comments in a minute...
 
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OK I am going to make some paragraphs for you so it will be easier to read and comment on :)

ok continued...

Before we read Acts 8, let us look at what the city of Samaria believed God was… They believed Simon the sorcerer, giving out himself as a great one. He was so successful that the people even said…This man is the great power of God…(but they were wrong he had the power of demons)

Just as we do with our pastors and ministers, we also believe them to be God’s men, but are they? We will see! Just like Samaria we might be mislead! But then Philip came along and he OUTPERFORMED Simon. Now the people witnessed GOD AT WORK! But look the people WITH ONE ACCORD gave heed to Philip! And now the unclean spirits were chased out of the people! The lame got healed. ALL of them! You can reason that these people believed that is why they got healed, but Philip was pretty impressive because HE WAS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT! But he was a deacon and an evangelist, not an Apostle!

Evangelists and Apostles have different authority and gifts! And now we know what Samaria was like before God, let us read How God became evident in the people of Samaria, and how they were saved!

Now let us read Acts 8 from verse 5 to 17
Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 7For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. 8And there was great joy in that city. 9But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. 12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.


Now my life and how I gave HEED to God! Like Samaria, I was also tricked by the great power of God in my pastor. This pastor was telling me that I have the Holy Spirit in me and that I am reborn, because I gave my heart to Jesus! Well I believed him but maybe not as complete as Samaria believed Simon! Then one night God said to me…. “Genesis 1:1 START!!!!!” It was like a Philip entered into my life the moment when I started reading the Bible with the Holy Spirit as my guide, I suddenly discovered the TRUTH, not half the truth presented by a misleading spirit like Simon (or in my case my pastor)

are you judging your pastor as a sorcerer? you should not judge or speak thusly unless God through His discernment has revealed it to you. :( However it is good that you read the spiritual milk of God's word for yourself. I think all Christians should read the Bible at least once. they even have free audio online if you want to listen to the whole Bible

When I read in Genesis 4 that God said to Cain that he should RULE over sin, I was furious with all the preachers that preached that we CANNOT rule over sin, and that we will always be fallible men. Well obviously they NEVER read Genesis 4, because God COMMANDS Cain to rule over sin. Even when it is sin’s desire to be part of us, we should RULE OVER SIN! It was only the beginning of MANY disappointments in the SIMONS of this world they are the many false pastors that were not appointed by God. And even though some of them perform miracles in the Name of Jesus, I am now convinced that like me Jesus does not even KNOW them or me. do you feel yourself condemned still?

The difference between me and the false teachers is: I believe we CAN live a sinless life here on earth. And if I am wrong, then God was disappointing! But if I am right and God wants it for my life, then they will NEVER experience perfection! Maybe that is why Jesus said… Matthew 5:48 …Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.]Jesus knew what His salvation will achieve when God finally GLORIFY a saved person.

Perfection is maturity in Christ, not having Jesus' miraculous powers or wisdom or knowledge but having Jesus and enough to do your mission on Earth so that when you meet God in Heaven He will say to you "you have done well my good and faithful servant"
lol this is a very long and involved post... ok continue responses on next post...
 
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OK I am going to make some paragraphs for you so it will be easier to read and comment on :)

ok continued part 3...

Look at this….. Eph 4:11 to 13….And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Now! Let us pull this apart and devour this Word, maybe this will also happen to us!

1. God appoints these people!

2. These people had to be perfect themselves. How can a person that is not perfect himself help another person to be perfect? And what made these people perfect in the first place? Well God did.

3. The word saint in greek is “HAGIOS” Meaning …. Spiritually pure, and morily blameless. Even before God this person is already found without sin! But apperently by this text this person (sinless person) is not yet perfect to the measure of Jesus Christ. And not yet fit sor the work of the ministry. Or to be edified into the Body of Christ, and to be brought into the UNITY of the faith, to the full knowledge of the Son of God. Unto a PERFECT man. To the full measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

Let there be NO misunderstanding here…. I did not write the Bible, I KNOW God did! And this is God’s teachings. God says here that HE appointed these office-bearers for the PERFECTING of the sinless people (saints). If God says He appointed these people to perform this work, then He will also make them ABLE to perform these tasks.

Because we know ONLY Jesus is perfect, God confirms this with… Unto a perfect man to the same stature than Jesus. Then it makes only perfect sense that it is the fulfilling of the Holy Spirit that ensures this perfection. The obvious…. Perfect = Filled with Holy Spirit. Normal human = not filled with Holy Spirit. And there is nothing more to say about this.

What did Jesus say about perfect…. Be perfect even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. That means to be as perfect as God Himself, and this we know only the Holy Spirit can be. If there is 99% Holy Spirit and 1% human (sinning) spirit in a body, it means that body is imperfect! It has to be 100% or 0%. Remember John the Baptist…. God said he would be filled with the Holy Ghost even from his mother’s womb. Luke 1: 15. That is why John the Baptist also did not sin in his life. And he could not because He was filled with GOD’S SPIRIT! John was never reborn, but he was chosen to be the holy prophet to prepare the way for Jesus, and the holy prophet Eliah, God promised was John the baptist.

See holy people were ALWAYS driven by the Holy Ghost… 2 Peter 1:21. And the Holy Ghost can only drive perfectly! If a body sin AFTER the Holy Spirit took over, God sins! A body cannot receive the Holy Spirit as an indwelling spirit, when there are an unclean spirit in the body. That unclean spirit needs to repent! DIE OFF SIN! It needs to be washed by the blood of Jesus to become clean and then God will baptize it with holiness. All clean spirits are baptized into God’s Holy Spirit, to become the same Holy Spirit, A Spirit that can obey GOD ONLY! Like Jesus did.

perfect = being filled with Holy Spirit and being mature in Christ to know what He will for you to do with your life and being able to discern Good and evil. here are the Bible Verses:
Hebrews 5
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.


He laid it on my heart to share this with you, and I did!

]May the Father grant me His perfection, it is in His will, not mine! And because He wants too, I would propably also receive it! May Father God have His way! Amen!
AMEN!

lol that was a long read but I'm glad you shared it with us :)
 
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Zone, i been in seclusion for the fourteen years, I do not own a TV, I do not go to ANY church. I only read the Bible and wait for the Teacher to Reveal the Word. And i can see you are offended by what i said, and that saddens me, but maybe if you knew me then and now you will see that I am being saved! Am i saved yet? Nope, is my name written in the book of life, i have that hope in me Yes. The very hope of 1 John 3: 4. Oh yes all who are saved can do more than Jesus, but we also know that Father do not keep them up for the evil ones like myself. Did He not say, that as SOON as the fruit is ripe He harvest? That time is now! Mark4:29. There is not many places for holy people here on this earth. (Luke 9:55 to 58) And did God not say that the ones that DIED in Christ are Hid with Him in Father? (Colossians 3:3) That is why we as evil ones CANNOT see them, we have to also be IN GOD before we do know and see them.

The names and Names of my teachers and Teacher are: Jesus Christ, Christ Jesus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James and Abba Father. The reaon why I know it is God that is busy with me..... The love i have for YOU! I love you with a love that i did not have before! And this love will be perfected, to the same level of Abba Father. I do this, because I love Him because He loved me FIRST. May the Truth of God make us free Zone. So free that we are truly not from this earth!
Be careful God is not the only one who speaks to people in the spirit realm and remember to be tempted is not a sin. Jesus was tempted and He was free of sin. NO it is not a sin until you give into that lust, temptation or desire that wars against the will, power and dominion of GOD's rule in your life and chase after other idols.

I will keep you in my prayers brother and remember God's promise ok?

Luke 11

9 “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 11 If a son asks for bread[d] from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? 13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
 
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friend.
i have no idea what to say to you other than that i will pray for you.
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY.
i write this in hope for you, through many tears.
zone.
yeah it really is that time isn't it?

I was hoping not.

I stand with you in prayer for all the lost who are searching for God's Truth and light,

may they find comfort and love and His Word unfettered by lies and deceiving spirits.

Revelation 16:13-15
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and[a] of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”


Matthew 24

45 “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ [g] 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


 
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ananda
don't resurrect old threads needlessly please.
 
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One time I was sitting in a church and the guy teaching the evening service said if you don't speak in tongues you don't have the holy spirit inside you. I just laughed and said "What, is he sitting beside me here on the pew??? Oh brother. That kind of teaching is arrogance. the "I'm better than you" teaching.
 
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Seriously, I do not want to raise this thread up again but i must say the Original Post was just a pressurised long hard rant.

The writer meant well, but he is another case of someone outside the church and out of touch with a reasonable religion. Zeal is OK but gosh a person has to be sensible too.
 
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sorry but if someone talks to me I like to know what they have to say and I didn't see this post the first time it was posted so it was not needless.

Each person is an individual and beloved by God. should we not listen to our brothers and sisters when they speak?

as for being outside the church: how long did Moses spend in the desert in the tents of his pagan priest father-in-law?

If you do not like the thread then ignore it. I wish to speak with the OP. would you deny me that right?
 
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sorry but if someone talks to me I like to know what they have to say and I didn't see this post the first time it was posted so it was not needless.

Each person is an individual and beloved by God. should we not listen to our brothers and sisters when they speak?

as for being outside the church: how long did Moses spend in the desert in the tents of his pagan priest father-in-law?

If you do not like the thread then ignore it. I wish to speak with the OP. would you deny me that right?
you are right. He might find an audience, that is up to those who "connect" with him. But I still think a church has a formative effect on people teaching them to express their emotions in a digestible way.

Sorry if I have offended you, though.
 
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no i'm not offended. it hurt my feelings a little but its ok. I'll go pray and be all better :)

i'm praying that he will be convinced to find a church or pastor annointed by God with unction to learn and grow in Christ. actually I'm praying that everyone will have that blessing.

"UNCTION is that indefinable, indescribable something which an old, renowned Scotch preacher describes thus: “There is sometimes somewhat in preaching that cannot be ascribed either to matter or expression, and cannot be described what it is, or from whence it cometh, but with a sweet violence it pierceth into the heart and affections and comes immediately from the Word; but if there be any way to obtain such a thing, it is by the heavenly disposition of the speaker.”
We call it unction. It is this unction which makes the word of God “quick and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” It is this unction which gives the words of the preacher such point, sharpness, and power, and which creates such friction and stir in many a dead congregation. The same truths have been told in the strictness of the letter, smooth as human oil could make them; but no signs of life, not a pulse throb; all as peaceful as the grave and as dead. The same preacher in the meanwhile receives a baptism of this unction, the divine inflatus is on him, the letter of the Word has been embellished and fired by this mysterious power, and the throbbings of life begin—life which receives or life which resists. The unction pervades and convicts the conscience and breaks the heart."- EM Bounds


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anyways I've got to deal with life outside the internet and computer. May God bless you all. :)
 
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friend.
i have no idea what to say to you other than that i will pray for you.
MAY GOD HAVE MERCY.
i write this in hope for you, through many tears.
zone.
Yes I agree Zone, this is truly sad.
 
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Cobus and I used go into this and he is convinced he is right....I mean he wants to be right more than he wants what is right...so
I smile and say Hi! anymore........Hi Cobus!.....by the way, How can you love...which is a fruit of the indwelling Spirit? :)
 
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Ill keep this short so I don't put to much at one time.in the old testament the children of Israel was lead in daytime by a pillar of a cloud and in nighttime a pillar of fire this is a shadow of the Holy Ghost to come in the new testament I bleve John 16 says the Holy Ghost will lead u in all truth just like it said in the old testament that they were being lead by the pillar of a cloud and a pillar of fire in the new testament we are being lead in all truth by the Holy Ghost. I read this post that said we can't receive the Holy Ghost today it was only in the time of the apostles. Thats wrong it is because explain this if we can't receive it today why would Jesus say John 3:5 unless u r born with water and the Spirit u can't see or enter the Kingdom of God. How do we make it to heaven then was there another Bible written for our generation a whole nother set of books after revelations that was written no there is not.Jesus said to see the Kingdom of God u have to be born again so baptism all right and to enter it u have to be born again of the Spirit so we have to receive the Holy Ghost so we can enter the Kingdom of God John said Jesus is the one who baptizez with the Holy Ghost.so we need it and the only way we can be in the lambs book of life is if we are baptized in Jesus name as Peter said.thats the only way we can be in the Lamb's book of life.I hope this helped in Jesus name God Bless