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Common Ground between the OSAS believers and Non believers of OSAS, Let me start by saying that I believe Jesus is the one that saved me , and I believe in Jesus for my salvation. Since I have been in here, there have been alot of debates, discussions and and even down right judging and comdemnations poured out, over the subject: was the works of Christ to the Cross and on the Cross good enough for our salvation? However I have been praying Alot about this, studying alot on this. I have had alot of friends and people leave Church over this one topic. There are several sets of verses, that I would like to share as to maybe having a common ground where that we can come together ( both sides ) and pray for one another instead of casting each other into hell. The first set of verses are
Mr 9:38And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.Mr 9:39But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.Mr 9:40For he that is not against us is on our part.


I believe that boths sides here are for God. the next verses are

Ac 5:38And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:Ac 5:39But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.


Now I know that there will be some on both sides that will dare say, that the other side is not of God . But in saying this we would only show our ignorance of the Scriptures, For the common Ground that I am lead to share with both sides at this time is this:


1jo 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.1jo 4:2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:1jo 4:3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.1jo 4:4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Will anyone meet me on this Ground that even though I believe OSAS. I confess to all who will hear me at this time That I believe that Jesus Christ has came in the flesh. I feel it is important for this common ground. For how many lost souls have came into this forum hunting for answers on how to found God, His mercy and Grace, only to go away empty because of the confusion amongst God's own children.

Lu 23:34Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

Father, help us as we help build your Knigdom, help us love one another, help us hate evil, and help us Lord to know the difference. In Jesus sweet name I pray, Amen.
 
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I couldn't agree more...I stand in agreement of the prayer, and what you said. Why push others away, whom come seeking answers, all because everyone's all tied up in proving who's right and wrong? Who knows the full truth for sure? We can only go by what God's word says,and what He gives to us. I personally respect everyone on whatever grounds they stand and want to believe. I'm not the one to say you're wrong and I'm right, or I'm wrong and you're right....respect one another, pray for one another, sometimes it's just best to agree to disagree.... I'm glad someone finally stepped up and did this, I also am a OSAS beliver...I have my reasons, and if anyone wants to discuss this, DISCUSS not argue, feel free to message me...I rather not argue about it, especially on the threads. In all we say and do, in all others say and do, let us take it all to the Lord in prayer! That goes for everyone, and even more so for those who come looking for answers. Anyways, Pastor Keith, great post! Thanks again, and God bless!
 
Jan 8, 2009
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thankyou Thaddeus that is very nice of you. Sorry for any past misunderstandings or offenses.
 

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I believe with all my heart that it is terrible to have divisions, among believers, and I wish there were none. Satan takes advantage of many things to cause division in the church, the body of Christ. But it is far worse for any believer to compromise the truth and give an advantage for Satan to stop the mouths of believers who reveal the nature of God through mercy and grace and in the knowledge of the LORD Jesus Christ. Peter makes a simple statement with his mouth to rebuke Christ for expressing His mission to be offered up through death. Christ immediately rebukes Peter by addressing Satan, who used the vocal cords of Peter to confess his thoughts to get Jesus Christ to fail in His mission. I call that serious and something that Jesus did not compromise. By the same conviction it is a serious error to accuse the nature of God, through the sacrifice of Christ, of not being able to keep every believer saved by grace and to keep them from falling by the same grace. If anyone does not take that seriously they are compromising the nature of God and that is giving the devil a place to teach his doctrine in the midst of God's people. I don't want that on my hands or conscience, do any of you?
 
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Amen!!! i love you guys. :)
 
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I agree with common ground, though it was stated in a way that people who don't believe in OSAS don't believe "Jesus Christ's sacrifice was enough"--which simply isn't true...I think that is common ground to tell you the truth...both sides believe that Jesus Christ's sacrifice was enough, however one side believes that Jesus protects them from continuing to sin and thus Christ actively saves them from debauchery daily, I can confess to this; and the other side believes to the best of my knowledge that even as God is outside of time he forgave all my sins that I will ever commit--and so within my lifetime whatever sin I do God knew and forgave...I can't add to the sins I will do across my whole lifetime, so when Jesus forgave my sins, he forgave everything I will do forever...even if I turn away from him, because he saw that and knew that I would...

And while OSAS can say that the other OWETTEWBS believe that Jesus isn't strong enough to keep us from falling away from him and so ask if we are calling God a liar because he said no one could take them away from him; the OWETTEWBS people have to believe that the other side is insisting that God is a liar because they claim that they remain in Christ though they continue to sin, if Christ saved you from sins, what are you doing sinning?

Anyway, both sides do agree that Jesus Christ's sacrifice was sufficient for salvation.

God bless

tony
 
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what is OSAS please?
i dont understand, who are they?
 
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OSAS=once saved always saved
OWETTEWBS=one who endures to the end will be saved

I made up the second one straight from Mathew 24
 
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I agree with common ground, though it was stated in a way that people who don't believe in OSAS don't believe "Jesus Christ's sacrifice was enough"--which simply isn't true...I think that is common ground to tell you the truth...both sides believe that Jesus Christ's sacrifice was enough, however one side believes that Jesus protects them from continuing to sin and thus Christ actively saves them from debauchery daily, I can confess to this; and the other side believes to the best of my knowledge that even as God is outside of time he forgave all my sins that I will ever commit--and so within my lifetime whatever sin I do God knew and forgave...I can't add to the sins I will do across my whole lifetime, so when Jesus forgave my sins, he forgave everything I will do forever...even if I turn away from him, because he saw that and knew that I would...

And while OSAS can say that the other OWETTEWBS believe that Jesus isn't strong enough to keep us from falling away from him and so ask if we are calling God a liar because he said no one could take them away from him; the OWETTEWBS people have to believe that the other side is insisting that God is a liar because they claim that they remain in Christ though they continue to sin, if Christ saved you from sins, what are you doing sinning?

Anyway, both sides do agree that Jesus Christ's sacrifice was sufficient for salvation.

God bless

tony
This was not called for in this Thread, there are many more threads available for you arguments, please take it somewhere else. I beg anyone else not to respond to Tony
 

NoahsDad

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1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
 
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thefightinglamb

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I wasn't trying to offend with my post...It was just your question "was the works of Christ to the Cross and on the Cross good enough for our salvation?" is common ground...neither side doubts this...I was trying to point out the difference is between what Jesus blood actually does...one side believes it covers all sin: past, present, and future; the other side believes it covers past sin, protects from present and future sin, and strengthens so that people repent and don't live in their sins...

I really wasn't trying to argue...the only controversial thing I could have said is that one side believes God saves them from sinning and are accused of calling God a liar because they don't believe God has forgiven whatever sin they may commit, and the other side can claim the same thing, insisting that to live in sin and claim Jesus saved you is to in fact say either you are deceived or you are calling Jesus a liar because you are in sin, how can he have saved you from it?
--but I wasn't meaning that to be controversial really, I was just stating where the tensions on both sides come in.

And other common ground is both sides believe you have to trust the Lord fully--the difference is one believes you have to lean on him all the time, the other believes after you put faith in him he holds you even when you don't hold on to him...

Anyway,
God bless
tony

God bless
 
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