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zackabba

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Why does it constantly say in the Bible, "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?"

Like in Ephesians, for example?

If Jesus is God, why does it say he has a God?
 
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Why does it constantly say in the Bible, "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?"

Like in Ephesians, for example?

If Jesus is God, why does it say he has a God?
Jesus is God. He is God the Son. (He is not God the Father, nor is He God the Holy Spirit). ... But He is not the only Person in God. In the ONE GOD there are THREE PERSONS. So, Jesus' Father is God the Father. Jesus' Spirit is God the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and of the Son, the Spirit of truth Who proceeds from the Father (John 15:26) alone. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
 
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Why does it constantly say in the Bible, "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?"

Like in Ephesians, for example?

If Jesus is God, why does it say he has a God?

2 Cor 1:3
Eph 1:3
Heb 1:9
1 Peter 1:3
Rev 1:6
Rev 3:12

Yours is a very good question.
That would mean that God Himself refers to someone as 'His God'
 

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Brother. Jesus is God, all authority was given unto Him, He has the powers to forgive sins as it was shown when the paralytic man was healed, He was there since the beginning as John 1 shows. If you believe otherwise than that the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and that Jesus is God then you are committing the sin of Idolatry because you would be worshiping another God, theres only One and He shows Himself in three.

God Bless you!
 
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I cannot tell you why god wrote it the way he did. Jesus is God. He is God in the father, in the son, and in the Holy Ghost. He is God all three in one. My personal opinion is Jesus said he was Gods son because people would not have believed them if he said he was god. I believe he wanted them to see that for themselves. I dont know why though only the Lord does.
 
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Brother. Jesus is God, all authority was given unto Him, He has the powers to forgive sins as it was shown when the paralytic man was healed, He was there since the beginning as John 1 shows. If you believe otherwise than that the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God, and that Jesus is God then you are committing the sin of Idolatry because you would be worshiping another God, theres only One and He shows Himself in three.

God Bless you!
That they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John 17:3

Do we commit the sin of idolatry if we believe Christ's words?
 

Adrianv125

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Lets create man in OUR image not My image the LORD said in Genesis. The SPIRIT of God moved upon the waters. And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

I clearly see the Father Creating man in His image, the Holy Spirit of God moving Upon the Waters, and Jesus walking in the Garden in the Cool of The day.

John 1:1 In the Beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and THE WORD WAS GOD. Who is the word? Jesus Christ
 
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That they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John 17:3

Do we commit the sin of idolatry if we believe Christ's words?
And yet it was John, in the same book, who wrote that "the Word was God" and "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." The Father is the only true God, just as Jesus is the only true God.

30 I and My Father are one." (John 10:30)

4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! (Deuteronomy 6:4)

29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (Mark 12:29)

38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him." (John 10:38)
 
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And yet it was John, in the same book, who wrote that "the Word was God" and "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." The Father is the only true God, just as Jesus is the only true God.

30 I and My Father are one." (John 10:30)

4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! (Deuteronomy 6:4)

29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (Mark 12:29)

38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him." (John 10:38)

Jesus plainly stated that the Father was the only true God. I trust and believe he was telling ther truth

I have given them the glory that you gave me that they(the believers) may be one AS we are one
John 17:22

So we as believers can be one AS God and Christ are one

But can you be me and I be you? No

But we can be of one heart and mind in the Spirit

That they may be one AS we are one.

So when Jesus says he and the Father are one, he is not saying he is God. As we as believers can be one AS he and his Father are one he is actiually saying the opposite
 
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Jesus never commanded anyone to believe he was God, but rather the son of God.

But many today call people heretics and much else if they do not believe Jesus is God.

Why does man demand what Christ did not?
 
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And yet it was John, in the same book, who wrote that "the Word was God" and "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." The Father is the only true God, just as Jesus is the only true God.

30 I and My Father are one." (John 10:30)

4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one! (Deuteronomy 6:4)

29 Jesus answered him, "The first of all the commandments is: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (Mark 12:29)

38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him." (John 10:38)
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Gods WORD became flesh. Not God. Gods Word was in Jesus, and Jesus Spoke that Word which God was speaking.
 
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It is terrible how so many allow themselves to be blinded by the devil and split God into 3 (trinity) There is one God and His name is JESUS
 
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17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God(John 20:17).

It is obvious that God the Father is the God and Father of Jesus,the same as He is the God and Father of the saints.God the Father is the God and Father of Jesus and the saints in the same fashion.

4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law(Galatians 4:4).

3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh(Romans 1:3).

The Son was made of a woman,made under the law,not made from eternity past,and not made before the law,and made according to the flesh.

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus(1 Timothy 2:5).

Our savior is the man Christ Jesus,for only a sinless man can approach a holy God on mankind's behalf.

13In transgressing and lying against the LORD, and departing away from our God, speaking oppression and revolt, conceiving and uttering from the heart words of falsehood.
14And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
15Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
16And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.
17For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloak(Isaiah 59:13-17).

16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory(1 Timothy 3:16).

No man is sinless so God manifest Himself in the flesh and became that sinless man according to His humanity and provided salvation for mankind.

The arm of the LORD and the Son of God are the same person,which is God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man,the man Christ Jesus.

18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation(2 Corinthians 5:18-19).


God reconciled the world back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,fully God and fully man in harmony,and all who have the Spirit are in harmony with God like the man Christ Jesus.


6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all(Ephesians 4:6).

God is in all and through all.God does not flow around His creation but flows through all His creation,for God cannot be separated.God flows through His creation,but is not part of creation,because the Spirit and the physical things are two different substances.

8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power(Colossians 2:8-10).


34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him(John 3:34).

19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell(Colossians 1:19).

Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead,God's attributes,in a bodily manifestation.

God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated.

God is in all,and through all,and in the man Christ Jesus,God manifest all His attributes,where the saints have partial attributes.

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God which means He is the only human to be conceived of the Holy Spirit,where the saints are adopted in to the kingdom.

16Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren(1 John 3:16).

28Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood(Acts 20:28).

God laid down His human life to take away the sins of the world.

Jesus is fully God and fully man in harmony,and the saints are God and person in harmony.The man Christ Jesus has the fulness of God's attributes,where the saints have partial attributes.

God the Father is the God and Father of the man Christ Jesus,the same as the God and Father of the saints,which Jesus told Mary,I ascend to My Father,and your Father,and to My God,and your God.

6Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I(Isaiah 52:6).

7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake(John 14:7-11).


Jesus is the visible manifestation of the invisible God,and the way God provided salvation for mankind,by laying down His human life to take away the sins of the world.


11The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne(Psalm 132:11).

2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne(Revelation 4:2).

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads(Revelation 22:3-4).


There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on that throne.Jesus is the visible relationship of God to the saints for all eternity,for the throne in heaven is the throne of both God and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.


Jesus at the right hand of God means that God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power for a certain amount of time,until all His enemies are conquered,for the man Christ Jesus must reign,for He is our savior(1 Corinthians 15:24-28),not that Jesus has a throne next to the Father.

Son-God's visible relationship to the saints.
Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints.

21That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world(John 17).


Jesus gave the saints the same glory as Him,and that is to have eternal life and a glorified body,and the man Christ Jesus prayed to the Father for the saints to be in heaven,and behold His glory,as God sits on the throne in heaven in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.


6Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I(Isaiah 52:6).

4Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell(Proverbs 30:4).

43I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive(John 5:43).

4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they(Hebrews 1:4).

1And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads(Revelation 14:1).

3And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads(Revelation 22:3-4).



Jesus is the name of the Father,and the Son inherited that name from the Father.


Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man,so Jesus is the name of both God and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.



17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were(Romans 4:17).


God calls things that have not yet happened as though they already happened,for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it will surely come to pass.


8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world(Revelation 13:8).


The Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,although we know it did not happen until 4000 years later,because God calls things that have not yet happened as though they already happened.


The Son was in the beginning,and God loved the Son from the foundation of the world.Even though the Son,the man Christ Jesus,was not born until 4000 years after the foundation of the world,He can still be in the beginning because He was a plan of God to be born in the future,so it was the same as if He was in the beginning,because God calls things that have not yet happened as though they happened.


Jesus is fully God and fully man,and the Son,the man Christ Jesus,had to acknowledge God as His Father as a saint has to recognize God as their Father,and Jesus is the fulness of God's attributes,where the saints have partial attributes.


14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen(1 Timothy 6:14-16).


Jesus is the only Potentate,Ruler,who dwells in the light which no man can approach unto,whom no man has seen,and no man will ever see.


Although we cannot see Jesus,for He is an invisible God,we can see a visible manifestation of Him,and God's visible relationship to the saints for eternity.


6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him(1 Corinthians 8:6).

There is one God,the Father,and all things created by Him,and one savior and one visible relationship of God to the saints,the Lord Jesus Christ,by whom are all things,which means that all of creation hinges on God coming in flesh,and without God coming in flesh,God would of not created anything that He created(John 1:3).
 
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...And ALL these views of the Divinity can be easily reconciled to the truth of God's actual constitution. Too much discrete threeness versus too much indistinct oneness; Deity versus humanity.

The answer is in the means of propagation of Jesus' Soul during the Virgin Birth. All the God-models are missing something related to this one thing. All other "issues" disappear, like Filioque, 1-or-2 substances, etc.


As to the OP...

He was God to Jesus' humanity; He was Father to Jesus' Deity. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

(There's a hint in Acts 2:36, if you "get" it.)
 
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There is only one God,the Father,there is no trinity.

In the Old Testament God the Father said that the Jews would know His name and He would speak to them.

Jesus stated that the Father is in Him and He does the works.

In the Old Testament God said there was no God formed before Him,and there will be no God formed after Him.

The term Son means to come after the Father,so there can be no God the Son that has no beginning.

The Father cannot be the Father of the Son's deity,as far as Him being a God the Son,for the Bible says when the savior comes He will have no beginning,and there was no God created after God the Father.

The Son cannot have no beginning because He is called the Son which means He has a beginning.

There is only God,the Father,people,and angels,and that is it.

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).

The Son shall be called the everlasting Father,for there is only one God,the Father,and Jesus is God manifest in flesh.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man.

According to His deity He is God the Father,which the Bible states when the savior comes He will be from everlasting,which means no beginning,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus which has a beginning,giving place to the scriptures.

There is only one God,the Father,and one visible manifestation of God the Father,the Lord Jesus Christ,who is Creator and God to the Son,the man Christ Jesus,and not the Father to deity,for there will be no God formed after God(Isaiah 43:9-11).

God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,with no distinction of persons.

Take a tub of water.The substance is the same throughout the tub of water.Take a glass and submerge it in to the tub of water.The water fills the glass but the water in the glass is still connected to the water in the tub,which is all one substance.The only thing different is the glass,but all the water is still connected and one substance.

That is like Jesus,He is the fulness of God's attributes in human form,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,which is all the same substance with no distinction of persons.The only thing different is the flesh,which it is God showing us a visible manifestation of Himself,but the Spirit is still all one substance,like the water is all one substance.

Which means Jesus is not another God,but God the Father showing us a visible manifestation of Himself,and the only way we can see the invisible God.

The only person fathered is the man Christ Jesus,no deity is fathered,no created God,for there is only one God,the Father,and there will be no God created after Him,and the savior will have no beginning for He is God the Father Himself,and the Son does have a beginning because He is the man Christ Jesus.

10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour(Isaiah 43:10-11)..


There was no God formed before God,and there will be no God formed after God,and God is the only savior.
 
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Why does it constantly say in the Bible, "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?"

Like in Ephesians, for example?

If Jesus is God, why does it say he has a God?

JESUS IS THE SON, BECAUSE HE WAS BORN BY THE WILL OF GOD, NOT BY THE WILL OF MEN,
LIKE WE ARE. HE IS OF THE ROOT OF DAVID , TROUGH MARY.( SON OF DAVID ,THE FLESH )--
THE SON OF GOD , HE OBEY GOD TO THE MAX, AND RESURECTED.
GOD WILL ALWAYS BE HIS GOD: THE ROOT OF DAVID NOW GLORYFIED.BECAUSE OF HIS WORKS
HE NEVER SINNED( THIS IS NOT EASY WORK )

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There is only one God,the Father,there is no trinity.

In the Old Testament God the Father said that the Jews would know His name and He would speak to them.

Jesus stated that the Father is in Him and He does the works.

In the Old Testament God said there was no God formed before Him,and there will be no God formed after Him.

The term Son means to come after the Father,so there can be no God the Son that has no beginning.

The Father cannot be the Father of the Son's deity,as far as Him being a God the Son,for the Bible says when the savior comes He will have no beginning,and there was no God created after God the Father.

The Son cannot have no beginning because He is called the Son which means He has a beginning.

There is only God,the Father,people,and angels,and that is it.

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace(Isaiah 9:6).

The Son shall be called the everlasting Father,for there is only one God,the Father,and Jesus is God manifest in flesh.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,fully God and fully man.

According to His deity He is God the Father,which the Bible states when the savior comes He will be from everlasting,which means no beginning,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus which has a beginning,giving place to the scriptures.

There is only one God,the Father,and one visible manifestation of God the Father,the Lord Jesus Christ,who is Creator and God to the Son,the man Christ Jesus,and not the Father to deity,for there will be no God formed after God(Isaiah 43:9-11).

God manifest in the flesh means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,with no distinction of persons.

Take a tub of water.The substance is the same throughout the tub of water.Take a glass and submerge it in to the tub of water.The water fills the glass but the water in the glass is still connected to the water in the tub,which is all one substance.The only thing different is the glass,but all the water is still connected and one substance.

That is like Jesus,He is the fulness of God's attributes in human form,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,which is all the same substance with no distinction of persons.The only thing different is the flesh,which it is God showing us a visible manifestation of Himself,but the Spirit is still all one substance,like the water is all one substance.

Which means Jesus is not another God,but God the Father showing us a visible manifestation of Himself,and the only way we can see the invisible God.

The only person fathered is the man Christ Jesus,no deity is fathered,no created God,for there is only one God,the Father,and there will be no God created after Him,and the savior will have no beginning for He is God the Father Himself,and the Son does have a beginning because He is the man Christ Jesus.

10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour(Isaiah 43:10-11)..


There was no God formed before God,and there will be no God formed after God,and God is the only savior.
Other than a bit of general terminology, this is absolutely true. There is no Trinity of three "persons". There's also greater distinction in the "modes" than mere titles of Oneness.
 
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Ha ha, wow, didn't know this would be responded to so quick! ;)

Upon further searching and looking into the Bible, I have come to the conclusion....that Jesus Christ is NOT not God! (gotcha for a sec, huh?)

Just look at Romans 9:5, in context if you would like also.
2 Peter 1:1 (and 2-4; key word here is knowledge)
Titus 2:13 (in verse 14 it says "himself," making God and Saviour only referrable to Christ Jesus.), and Titus 3:4 if you don't believe that (God the Father and Jesus are both called Saviour, also in verse 6)

There are more like this, but of course they're not always going to be this clear.

Like in Revelation 5, for example. Who does worship go to? God the Father and the Lamb. (Then look in Luke 4:8)

Philippians 2:5-11 is another one, and Hebrews 1:8-9, and verse 10 (where the Father is talking about the Son, remember that)


Yes, it helps when you get back into line with the truth of Jesus Christ, God and Saviour.



(Oh, and of course John 1:1-18)
 
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Why does it constantly say in the Bible, "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?"

Like in Ephesians, for example?

If Jesus is God, why does it say he has a God?
ice water steam. is that 3... or one, substance, john, a son AND a father, how many people is he? food fior thought