DANIEL'S 70 WEEKS

zone · Mar 14, 2011

VW said:

of course you won't listen: you won't listen to anyone but dispensationalists now, because you have internailzed dispensationalism, which denies the finished work of Jesus, attributes his finished work to a future antichrist.

conditioned dispensationalists love babylon the whore, do not understand any of the passages declaring one covenant, one gospel, one church, nor that the bible is about Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit...

John 17:4
I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do.

John 19:30
When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Romans 6:22
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.

John 27:50
And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.

Romans 8:2
You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Romans 8:1
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,

Romans 8:22
For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.

1 Peter 4:1
Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin

Romans 5:10
For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

dispensationalists place all the above work in the future.
strong delusion.

Necto · Mar 14, 2011

Why Zone you think, what the more you will write, the more others will understand you? You use a large print better to convince. For what? The sense of your text is clear enough ! Of attempt someone to convince, you are started up in more and more hot and aggressive disputes, bearing someone's doctrine! You speak that you see, but you are blind! I am afraid that you do not listen for a long time already to Him , Who should conduct you. Unless doctrines are more expensive than a life?

zone · Mar 14, 2011

Necto said:

you are right.

i really am spending too much energy trying to get people to see the heresy and danger of dispensational theology.

large letters and colored type from me or anyone else won't do anything if people want their ears scratched

they are stuck with john hagee and the whore of babylon and THE NOAHIDE LAWS i guess.

but their blood is not on my hands....terrible shame tho.

VW · Mar 14, 2011

zone said:

If you have seen and heard anything of me at all, then it is that I do not listen to men, but rather to the Holy Spirit. If a person speaks with the voice of the Holy Spirit, then I listen. Your voice I do not recognize.

dispensationalists place all the above work in the future.
strong delusion.

Not one of the things you listed has anything to do with the future reign of Jesus from a physical throne in Jerusalem.

zone · Mar 14, 2011

VW said:

all of those things have to do with the finished work of Jesus in the 70th week during His ministry on earth.

but since you have cut off that 7 years, His work is undone.

if you looked at those passages you would see what is meant in the Covenant promises about making an end to sin, everlasting righteousness, finishing the transgression etc.

but you'll keep denying He did those things, because you like tim LaHaye's story better.

VW · Mar 14, 2011

If there is no sin, anywhere, then sin is ended. But, if you say that you have no sin, you are a liar, and the truth is not in you.

So, which is it? Has sin been ended? Or is John a liar?

Oh, I know, John is wrong, because the bible is symbolic in its meanings.

I don't recognize Mr. LaHaye's voice either, even less than I recognize yours.

Red33 · Mar 14, 2011

zone said:

When believers have the truth they don't sell out like you have. You are wasting your time wrestling with others that are rooted and grounded in the truth. It would be better to walk away and stop judging others that God has raised up. It is very difficult for you to do that because you are so steeped in your own understanding that has misled you away from the grace of God in many areas of doctrine concerning Christ and the church.

zone · Mar 15, 2011

VW said:

REFORMED VIEW OF DANIEL 9

DANIEL 9:24
"Seventy weeks [shavu'im shiv'im] are determined for your people and
for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make
reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up
[chetom] vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy." (NKJV)

The phrase "seventy weeks" in this verse comes from the Hebrew shavu'im shiv'im, which literally means "seventy sevens." Just as we in western culture tend to view years in groups of ten ("decades"), anciently the Jews thought of years as being in groups of seven (based on the seven-year sabbatical cycle, Lev. 25:1-7).

The "seventy sevens" spoken of here refers to 70 x 7 years, or a total of 490 years.

According to this Scripture, seven things would occur within the 490-year period decreed for the Jews and Jerusalem. All seven of these things relate to the Messiah and his people:

"restrain the transgression"

ISAIAH 53:8
He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His
generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the
transgressions of My people He was stricken. (NKJV)

HEBREWS 9:15
And for this reason he is the mediator of the new covenant, by
means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first
covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal
inheritance. (NKJV)

"make an end to sins"

JOHN 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The
Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! (NKJV)

HEBREWS 9:26
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the
world; but now, once at the end of the ages, he has appeared to put away sin by
the sacrifice of himself. (NKJV)

"make atonement for iniquity"

ISAIAH 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to
his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (NKJV)

ROMANS 3:25
God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his
blood. He did this to demonstrate His justice, because in His forbearance He
had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished – (NIV)

HEBREWS 2:17

For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way,
in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to
God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. (NIV)

"bring in age-lasting righteousness"

ISAIAH 53:11

He shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted
righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities. (RSV)

ROMANS 5:17
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that
one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace
and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus
Christ. (NIV)

"seal up vision"

The word translated "seal up" here is from the Hebrew root word chatam. This
word literally means "to lock up" or "to shut up."

ISAIAH 29:10
For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and
has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets; and He has covered your heads,
namely, the seers. 11 The whole vision has become to you like the words of a
book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is literate, saying, "Read
this, please." And he says, "I cannot, for it is sealed." 12 Then the book is
delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, "Read this, please." And he says,
"I am not literate." 13 Therefore the LORD said: "Inasmuch as these people
draw near with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their
hearts far from Me, and their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of
men, 14 therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work among this people, a
marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and
the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden." (NKJV)

"seal up prophecy"

ROMANS 11:7

What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect
have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written: "God
has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that
they should not hear, to this very day." 9 And David says: "Let their table
become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense to them. 10 Let
their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, and bow down their back
always." (NKJV)

"anoint the most holy"

LUKE 4:18

"The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because He has anointed me to
preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to
proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at
liberty those who are oppressed;" (NKJV)

ACTS 10:38
"How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with
power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the
devil, for God was with him." (NKJV)

zone · Mar 15, 2011

VW said:

DISPENSATIONAL VIEW OF DANIEL 9

REASONS FOR THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE

NUMBER 1 The 70 weeks of Daniel's prophecy.

This is for Israel not the Church!

All the other false views on the timing of the rapture have one thing in common. They don't understand that God has a plan for the Church and God has a plan for Israel. The Church is a mystery, a called out people between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel's prophecy.

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon THY PEOPLE and UPON THY HOLY CITY, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

**Note: notice that the 70 weeks are 'determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city'. This is the Jewish people of Israel and Jerusalem. We could stop right here as Daniel specifically says that the 70 weeks are for Israel and not the Church. The Church is a called out people between the 69th and 70th week. To put the Church on earth during the 70th week is to contradict Daniel above.

Notice that 70 Weeks of years (490 years) are determined upon the people of Israel to:

- finish the transgression
- to make an end of sins
- to make reconciliation for iniquity
- to bring in everlasting righteousness
- to seal up the vision and prophecy
- to anoint the most Holy (The Lord Jesus in the Millennial Kingdom)

All this has NOT yet been fulfilled. It will yet be fulfilled upon the nation of Israel just like Daniel was told. Lets continue on in the prophecy:

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

These verses are talking about the 7 weeks and 62 weeks of years which add up to 69 weeks. At the end of the 69th week the Messiah will be cut off. This happened at the cross of Calvary. So all that is left is that final week of 7 years. For a more detailed explanation get a good prophecy book that studies Daniel's 70 weeks. (Hal Lindsey, Grant Jeffery, M.R. Dehaan, Dwight Pentacost, J. Walvwood, Dave Hunt, Paul LaLonde etc...)

For a review: Daniel said there was appointed 70 weeks of years for Israel to bring in all righteousness and setup Messaiah. When Jesus entered Jerusalem in His triumphal entry it marked the end of the 69 weeks. So we are waiting for the 70th week to be fulfilled.

This 70th week begins when the anti-Christ confirms a covenant with Israel for 7 years. In the middle of the week he will break his covenant and commit the abomination of desolation.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Now between the 69th and the 70th week there is a time gap... commonly referred to as the Church age.

Points to consider:

- The prophetic 70 weeks stopped at the rejection and death of the Lord Jesus Christ, The Messiah.

- That occurred after 69 weeks or 483 years.

- God has been using the Church (invisible body of Christ) during that time period.

Why I Believe The Pre-Trib Rapture

etc...etc....

zone · Mar 15, 2011

DISPENATIONAL VIEW OF DANIEL 9 cont...
(requires the 70th week future for the rapture scenario)

QUESTION: What caused God's prophetic time-clock to stop ticking after 69 weeks and what will cause it to resume at the 70th Week?

Notice the following Scripture:

2 Thessalonians 2
3. Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

God is currently restraining the anti-Christ by His Holy Spirit working in and through the Church (all the Spirit-reborn believers).

When this restrainer (The Church) is removed, then and only then may the anti-Christ be revealed so he can rise to power and confirm the covenant with Israel.

As long as that restrainer is in the world the anti-Christ cannot come to power...God's restrainer is preventing that. (2 Thess 2:7)

None of the other rapture positions can give any account for what is restraining the anti-Christ. To clear up any misconceptions I'll say that the Holy Spirit will NOT be removed from the world. This is a common argument - based on lack of knowledge of the pre-trib rapture. It is usually given by those who say this 'proves' the pre-trib rapture is wrong. But the pre-tribulation rapture does NOT state that the Holy Spirit will be removed, but rather the Church will be removed. How can an omni-present being be removed from anywhere? It cannot be done. God the Holy Spirit is omnipresent and will never cease to be anything less than that.

However in this Church age, God is restraining the Wicked One by His Holy Spirit through the Church. When the Church is removed the Holy Spirit will still be here....but the restrainer won't! At that point the anti-Christ will be free to rise to power and confirm that covenant with Israel to start the 70th Week of Daniel.

To restate, the 70th week is a prophetic week for the Nation of Israel. The first 69 Weeks were for Israel and so it is with the 70th Week.

During the 70th week God again deals with Israel and there is really no need for the Church to be present on earth.

NUMBER 2 The Wrath of God is NOT to be poured out on His Church.

Many scriptural promises of escape from the wrath of the Tribulation or the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy must be ignored by the other rapture positions.

Verses like:
Luke 21
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Romans 5:9
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, [even] Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

Revelation 3:10
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

THE ABOVE VERSES MUST BE IGNORED! It is amazing how the Second Coming will be like the Days of Noah and the Days of Lot. Notice that God did not pour out His wrath UNTIL He had safely removed both Noah and Lot to a safe place. The post tribbers ignore this and expect the Church, the Bride of Christ to endure the full impact of the Wrath of God....and the question is WHY? Why must the church endure the Wrath of God? It just doesn't make sense.

To teach that the Church will go through the 70th week just doesn't line up with the Bible. During the 70th week the book of Revelation will be fulfilled....with the seal judgments, trumpet judgments, and vial judgments. This is the WRATH of God and the Church has no part of it.

Why should the Church go through the 70th week of Daniels prophecy when that time is specifically for the nation of Israel and not the Church. God has made provision for Israel after the abomination of desolation. They are told to flee and there is a place prepared for them. There is no such provision for the Church...because the Church will not be here in the 70th week.

- God made provision for Noah and the flood.
- God made provision for Lot at Sodom
- God makes provision for Israel in the 70th week of Daniel.

- There has been no provision for the Church to go thru the 70th week.

Why....no need as the Church will not be in the world at that time.

After the rapture at the beginning of the 70th week God will seal 144,000 Jews. The spotlight is again on the nation of Israel and these 144,000 will win an innumerable number of people to Christ. They will take over and do the Commission the Church has done for the last 2000 years. The Gospel will go world-wide and everyone on earth will hear it!

So why should the Church be in the 70th week? There is really no reason or purpose. Today we have Christians in every major city.... during the wrath of God we will have pestilence, all the vegetation burned, all water polluted and some say that it will not affect the Church? Sorry I find that hard to believe.

A final point is that during the Church age the devil (gates of hell) will not overcome the Church. During the 70th week the devil WILL overcome the tribulation saints.

NUMBER 3 The coming of Jesus is imminent! His coming will be at an UNKNOWN time and a KNOWN time.

The other views destroys the doctrine of the imminent coming of Jesus. Jesus is coming at an unknown time and believers are constantly being told to watch and be ready in Scriptures. All the other incorrect rapture views deny the imminent coming of Jesus.
These verses must be ignored - or destroyed by the other views. Notice that the command is to watch because the time of the coming of Christ cannot be known! That is called imminence!...as it could happen TODAY!

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NOTE:
see the faulty presuppositions:

the tribulation is daniel's 70th week
the church is not mentioned in daniel 9
the entire tribulation is God's wrath
the church is not appointed to tribulation
ergo: the church can't be on earth during Daniel's 70th week

http://www.pretribulationrapture.com/pretrib/article16.htm

zone · Mar 15, 2011

DISPENSATIONAL VIEW OF DANIEL 9 cont...
NUMBER 4 Populating the Millennium: and Post-tribbers

Lets draw the picture here. We are at the end of the Tribulation and Jesus is coming. At this point the post-trib wrath rapture happens and all Gods people are raptured and given new immortal bodies. The wicked are left to be judged by God... So we have all God's people removed from the earth...and all the wicked left. Now the question is: who will populate the nations of the millennium? The fatal error is that there is no one left to populate the nations of the millennium if the rapture happens at the Second Coming.

If the rapture occurs according to pre-wrath or post-trib we have a problem. Maybe you can answer that little problem....If all God's people are raptured at the end of the Tribulation at the 2nd coming of Jesus...then who will populate the millennium? Surely not the wicked.. You see the folks with the truth of the pre-tribulation rapture don't have any problem populating the millennium with mortals...but the post trib view does.
This is a nasty problem for the incorrect rapture views. You see if all of God's people are raptured at the very end when Jesus returns that leaves only the wicked left. The wicked will all be destroyed at the coming of Jesus...so you have a problem. Who will populate the millennium? If the rapture occurs at the 2nd Coming all of God's people will have their immortal bodies and they will not marry, have children etc...so they cannot be the ones who populate the millennium and have children etc. Some of course try to argue that the wicked will inherit the Kingdom of God. What foolishness to lower oneself in order to defend an incorrect doctrine.

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CONCLUSION:

Many times when talking to the adherents of the incorrect rapture views I hear this death question.

CLASSIC STUPID QUESTION
??? If a day comes in your lifetime when there is a mark given on the right hand or on the forehead, without which you cannot buy or sell anything, will you receive that mark?...or die?

This is a really stupid question ... a standard one given by the followers of the incorrect rapture view. This is not the first time I have heard it.

It shows the following:
- These people cannot tell the difference between the tribulation that the Church has experienced for the last 2000 years and the tribulation of the 70th week of Daniels prophecy for Israel. Try picking up and reading Foxes Book of Martyr's and read about some 'tribulation' that the church has experienced in days past. Do a few studies on the current persecution of the Church in China, Russia, Mexico and other places.

- It assumes a bloodbath in the 70th week for all believers. It is a death question...a what-if that will not happen to the Church because of the pre trib rapture. It will however happen to the tribulation saints. Why would God send His loved bride into the 70th week and into the bloodbath? There is no reason at all and certainly has no part of the 'blessed hope'. The blessed hope of these incorrect views is the bloodbath of the 70th week of Daniels prophecy which is...certain death.

- If these people have a martyr complex then why wait until the tribulation of the 70th week. Why not go to Saudi Arabia and preach the Gospel...or go to Tehran and hand out Gospel tracts? I guarantee you will get your desired results TODAY! Prove you do not wish to 'escape tribulation'.

For those reasons there is no reason to answer a question that is doctrinally incorrect....and just downright stupid.

To conclude:
In this tract we have looked at the fact that the 70 weeks of Daniels prophecy is for Israel and not the Church. We saw that the wrath of God is not to be poured out on His beloved Church. Also, there is no reason for the Church to be on earth during Daniels 70th week. We showed that there was a KNOWN day of Christ's return and an UNKNOWN day which is the rapture. We looked at the problem of populating the millennium. This alone refutes the post tribulation view as they leave no one alive on earth but the wicked to populate the 1000 year reign of Christ. We also had a peek at the Judgment seat of Christ, the marriage, and the 24 elders in Revelation who are representative of the glorified & rewarded Church. We covered a few other points but surely enough evidence has been given to show that the pre-tribulation view is Scriptural and is the only view that harmonizes with the entire prophetic picture.

Why stop here? There are lots of good books that give Scriptural references to the pre-tribulation rapture. Authors like Dwight Pentecost, John Walvwood, Hal Lindsey, Grant Jefferies, and Dave Hunt Paul LaLonde give lots more reasons for the pre-tribulation rapture.

Here is some points to study or ponder in light of what you have read:

- What about the KNOWN day and the UNKNOWN day of Jesus' coming?
- Study Daniels prophecy about the 70 weeks to ISRAEL. The post trib, mid-trib, pre-wrath all make the same error.

They cannot tell the difference between God's plan for Israel and the Church which is a mystery and a called out people between the 69th and 70th week.

Why I Believe The Pre-Trib Rapture

alrighty then.

Necto · Mar 15, 2011

New flooding from Zone.

Necto · Mar 15, 2011

We are taught the anointing of the Spirit, which is true and not false. Apostle John speaks to us that we stayed in to what it has learnt us. The few have reached such level. Circulations having experience in the anointing can not only stay in that to that it learns but to define itself anointing of Spirit. Live anointing ofHoly Spirit it is impossible to deceive! We should check spirits and not to all trust. That we have today. Set of doctrines of any grade! Set of doctrines so strongly similar to the truth because of Bible use. Therefore such doctrines containing of many objective truth are most dangerous! They are similar to light! Some who is engaged in distribution of these doctrines at all do not suspect that are the most effective tools of a Satan! Distinction as I already have told above, only on anointing!When we walk in the Spirit, we feel the reaction of the Spirit for the words and deeds are their own and others.
It just that moment when one maidens have oil and others it did not take! In you Zone tells spirit of fornication and God to you opened nothing about a millenium. The Spirit of God opposes to your words because you issue your teaching for God's one. Your lamp is moved!
Necto.

VW · Mar 15, 2011

One can never prove to another something from the bible.

Ask Paul, as he used to argue from the scriptures with the Jews that Jesus is the Christ, and very few heard.

He had a very good reason to want to go where the gospel had not been heard to preach.

zone · Mar 15, 2011

this is posted for people with an ability to read with comprehension, coupled with a desire to truly know what the Bible says, regardless of whether or not they agree in the end.

The Seventieth Week of Daniel

Peter Cohen

2007-04-10

“Seventy weeks (sevens) are decreed about your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to put an end to sin, and to atone for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal both vision and prophet, and to anoint the most holy one ... He will confirm a covenant with many (one week). In the middle of the week he will put and end to sacrifice and offering. And one who causes desolation will come ...". (Daniel 9:24,26)

Dispensational teaching claims that the six things to be accomplished in the seventieth week of Daniel have been decreed for Israel and that it is obvious that not one of them has yet been accomplished. 'Everlasting righteousness' is often used as an example of one of these six things, citing the present condition of the earthly city of Jerusalem as proof that this promise has obviously not been fulfilled.

However, looking to the condition of the earthly city of Jerusalem for evidence that none of the six things decreed have as yet been accomplished, is inappropriate and extremely misleading and unwittingly detracts from the very essence of the gospel. As these six prophetic promises go to the very heart of the gospel I felt constrained to respond, citing the testimony of scripture to show how these things have been accomplished through the cross.

The notion that none of the six things have been accomplished for Israel gives rise to the so-called “gap theory” which suggests that Daniel's 'seventy sevens’ have been interupted, and that we should still expect these things to be fulfilled some time in the indeterminate future, when the last of the seventy ‘weeks' will take place. (It is worth noting that a prophetic timeline comprising 'seventy sevens' - i.e. four hundred and ninety years - is quite meaningless if an undetermined period of two thousand years or more can be arbitrarily inserted between the definite start and end of that period.)
The Lord said that he would make a new covenant with Israel (Jer. 31:31). At the last supper Jesus said that the cup represented the blood of the new covenant, which was poured out for many (Mat. 26:28) – the covenant put into effect by the shedding of his blood on the cross. By this covenant, all six things decreed for Israel were indeed accomplished - as I will shortly demonstrate from scripture - and this constitutes the good news proclaimed in the New Testament.

'He shall make a covenent with many (one week),' thus refers to the covenant made in Messiah's blood, and not to a mythical covenant that the anti-Christ will supposedly make with the Jewish people in a reconstructed Temple in Jerusalem - before that Temple and city are once again destroyed.

The 'gap theory' implies that the six things decreed for Israel will be accomplished by some other means than through Jesus' atoning death on the cross in his first coming. Dispensationalism teaches that the fulfilment of these things remains a future hope and that this period of preaching the gospel is but a parenthesis (or gap) until the last of the “seventy weeks” is to be counted. Let us briefly consider these six things:

1. To finish the transgression

The original transgression of Adam resulted in the exile from the Garden of Eden and in death. The Good News is that Jesus has indeed put an end to that transgression through his death on the cross and men may now be reconciled to God through Christ, the promised Redeemer.

ROMANS 5:12-21: Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned— for sin indeed was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not counted where there is no law. Yet death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those whose sinning was not like the transgression of Adam, who was a type of the one who was to come. But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man’s trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many. And the free gift is not like the result of that one man’s sin. For the judgment following one trespass brought condemnation, but the free gift following many trespasses brought justification. If, because of one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ. Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s obedience the many will be made righteous. Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, so that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

2. To put an end to sin

Since the disobedience of Adam, the Scriptures declare that the whole world is a prisoner of sin (Galatians 3:22). The Good News is that through the power of the Holy Spirit and faith in the atoning sacrifice of Christ, those who believe may be set free from the power of sin.
MATTHEW 1:21: She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Yeshua, because he will save his people from their sins.

GALATIANS 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh (or sinful nature).

HEBREWS 9:26 But as it is, he (Jesus Christ) has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away (put an end to) sin by the sacrifice of himself.

ROMANS 8:1-4: There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

3. To atone for wickedness

The blood of animals that were once offered to make atonement for people’s sins were offered annually under the old covenant in order to serve as a reminder of sin until such time that the Lord himself would make atonement for the sins of the whole world (including those of Israel). The Good News is that Jesus Christ has made atonement for wickedness.

ROMANS 3:25: God presented him (Jesus Christ) as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood.

1JOHN 2:2 He (Jesus Christ) is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

1JOHN 4:10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

4. To bring in everlasting righteousness

No one could attain righteousness in spite of their knowledge of the Law because people were sinful by nature. The Good News is that through faith in Jesus Christ we are made righteous (put right with God) by faith in the finished work of the cross and by the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit working within us.

ROMANS 1:17: For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last (i.e. everlasting righteousness), just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

ROMANS 3:21-22: But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.

5. To seal up vision and prophecy

The Good News is that God’s promise to Abraham, that all nations will be blessed through his Seed, (i.e. Jesus Christ), has now become a present reality. The Good News is that in Jesus Christ, the Law and the prophets have found their complete fulfilment. (Dispensationalism erroneously assigns separate prophetic promises to Israel and the church). Gentiles have become one body with faithful Israel and sharers together in God’s promises (see Ephesians chapter 2).

REVELATION 19:10: …the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

2 CORINTHIANS 1:20-22: …no matter how many promises God has made, they are “Yes” in Christ. And so through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God. Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
HEBREWS 1:1: In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son.
EPHESIANS 3:2-6: Surely you have heard about the administration of God's grace that was given to me for you, that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. In reading this, then, you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to men in other generations as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to God's holy apostles and prophets. This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.

6. To anoint the most holy

The anointing was associated with the kings and priests and also with the Most Holy Place of the Temple.

The Good News is that according to the prophecy of Isaiah 7:14 and 8:14, the God of Israel became a sanctuary (temple) and made His dwelling among His people, no longer in the temple built with stones, but in the person of Jesus Christ and after his ascent in the temple of his anointed disciples who have become living stones built together as a holy temple in the Lord (see Ephesians 2:21).

JOHN 1:14: The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

LUKE 4:14-21: Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. He taught in their synagogues, and everyone praised him. He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour.” Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

It was written by Daniel that the Messiah would come after 483 years of the decree of King Cyrus (sixty-nine ‘sevens’ are four-hundred-and-eighty years). When Jesus was anointed by the Holy Spirit he had ministered for three-and-one-half years, which was to the middle of the last ‘seven’, i.e. the seventieth ‘seven’, at which time he made the new covenant in his blood and accomplished all of the six things that had been prophesied. This is the Good News. To suggest that the seventieth ‘seven’ is yet to come and that Christ will only then accomplish these six things, is to completely negate everything that he has already accomplished through the cross!

The suggestion that Christ will only bring in everlasting righteousness, make atonement for wickedness, put an end to sin, and that God will only anoint the most holy, sometime in the future (for Israel) - also implies that there is good news ahead for unbelieving Israel, which amounts to proclaiming other good news apart from that which was proclaimed by the apostles concerning Israel and the salvation of the nations! (cf. Gal. 1:8.) This also suggests that the good news is in fact for the Jew last and not first.

It is a fact of history that the gospel was firstly proclaimed in Jerusalem to the lost sheep of Israel before it extended to the ends of the earth.

Soon after that, the people of the prince to come (being the Roman general Titus) destroyed the city and the sactuary. It was for the desolations perpetrated by the Jews within that temple, that the end was poured out on the desolate - in accordance with Daniel 9:27.

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eternally-gratefull · Mar 15, 2011

zone said:

Thanks for putting words in my mouth.

The question is, Is Jesus in Jerusalem as King? Or are we still waiting for him to do this? I think the book of revelations is clear. He will come back, and rule for 10000 years. Or do you think he has done this already too??

If you going to put words in peoples mouth, and declare you know what they are saying, we will never get anywhere!!

so what? does that mean he is NOT KING?

APOSTATE Israel crucified their King, AND Sacrificed the Lamb.

but did ANY RECEIVE HIM? if SOME jews received Chist as King and Saviour, that means he is King and Saviour. Peter and Paul and all the apostles and disciples, and the men at Jerusalem at Pentecost and the thousands who received Him ARE mistaken? or stupid? or deceived?

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Yet this is NOT what the OT prophesies say, They say ALL ISRAEL will be forgiven and recieve her king. Since when do we ignore these words?

Has the NATION of Israel ever declared Christ as her king? If not, then prophesy has not yet been fullfileed. No matter what anyone says!!

God made many promises to Abraham.

1. All nations will be blessed through your seed.

this was fulfilled by Christ on the cross.

2. 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you. 8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”

This is not fullfillable with the Church, This is to his blood descendents. His physical seed. God also told him the actual land they would have, which has NEVER been given (due to unbelief of Israel) But will be fulfilled at a futur date.

3. The sign of the second covenant: Circumcision (Not given to the church.)

There are many aspects to the abrahamic covenant. Part is Christ and salvation to everyone, which has been completed.

Parts deal with Abraham's bloodline and the nation of Israel., Which has not been fulfilled yet. and CAN NOT be fulfilled with the Church!

I can see you have not read revelation. The whore of babylon will be destroyed before the abomination of desolation spoken of in Daniel. Since this will be done before Christ returns. The whore is no longer an issue.

This comes after the ressurection. Are swe there yet? I did not think so. This also comes after the reign of Christ on earth. Has nothing to do with the covenant between God and Abraham concerning the nation of Israel!

LOL, Typical. Thats fine. This is not a major doctrine anyway, No one will be refused entrance to heaven because of their belief in this alone. We can agree to disagree.

I still say I can not agree with you. You have failed to prove you point to me.

zone · Mar 15, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

sorry.
you said He rode into Jerusalem as King...but then you said he wasn't reigning.

Jesus will not reign from earthly Jerusalem.
He's already king, and His Kingdom is not of this world.

eternally-gratefull said:

no, He will not reign from earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years.
He's reigning now from Heaven.
He will return...to Judge.

the period between His First advent and the Second Advent is called a thousand years.....it's referring to the full term of the salvation period of His Kingdom (as sinners are saved by grace in this WORLD). the eternal part is after the Judgment, at the Second Advent, THE WORLD TO COME.

eternally-gratefull said:

we need to see the OT prophecies as fulfilled in Jesus, and that Israel that will be saved, will be saved. Israel is The New Covenant Body of believers called out - CHURCH - the believing gentiles are grafted into that Covenant, that Church.

the church is israel and vice versa.

eternally-gratefull said:

ya? and?
did God not establish and keep His promises?
did the people inherit and enter The Promised Land accroding to Joshua 21 or not?

did you read it?

and the promised SEED is singular. the new Covenant. those who held fat o the promise and believed are counted as the children of the promise.

look up the words everlasting, etc....they do not always mean ETERNALLY. though the True Promise of eternal life through the promised Seed is eternal, the temporal land grant came to pass: it is a TYPE.

that promise will continue into the new heaven and new earth FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE...its not that hard.

Jesus told the Pharisees and unbelieving ews THEY DID NOT KNOW GOD. if they had known The Father they would have known Him.

anyways...this is Bible 101.

eternally-gratefull said:

maybe in the dispensationalist world of The PLAN B church.

but not according to God's Eternal Purpose (Ephesians).

eternally-gratefull said:

why do you keep saying God did not fulfill His promise regarding the Promised Land, when He says He absolutely did - Joshua 21.

the spiritual promises are not about the flesh.

eternally-gratefull said:

physical circumcision was a TYPE of the circumcision of the heart.
please.
read Galatians.
cicumcision avails nothing.

eternally-gratefull said:

according to Darby and Hagee and Scofield and the Pharisees maybe.

eternally-gratefull said:

the Whore of Babylon is Jerusalem.
Jerusalem was made desolate in 70AD, exactly according to the decree made by Jesus Christ (Daniel's 70th week).

but she will receive her portion double this time.

eternally-gratefull said:

nonsense. none of that is actually written the way you have been taught.

eternally-gratefull said:

its a critical doctrine. not believing Jesus Christ was th Most Holy Who was anointed and took away the sin of the world and ushered in everlasting righteousness for all who believe is pretty serious.

why not relax, realize that after really spending time looking at the historic understanding of Scripture and really giving it a fair go, you can always pick up Scofield again (i guarantee you won't).

Necto · Mar 16, 2011

In a reality if we look around we will not see something from this that confirms Zone. In the bible without guidance of God we we can see everything! But what occurs in the world? Let Zone names all signs of a millenium which it is possible to see even to pagans!

Dutch41 · Mar 16, 2011

zone said:

REFORMED VIEW OF DANIEL 9

DANIEL 9:24
"Seventy weeks [shavu'im shiv'im] are determined for your people and
for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make
reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up
[chetom] vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy." (NKJV)

The phrase "seventy weeks" in this verse comes from the Hebrew shavu'im shiv'im, which literally means "seventy sevens." Just as we in western culture tend to view years in groups of ten ("decades"), anciently the Jews thought of years as being in groups of seven (based on the seven-year sabbatical cycle, Lev. 25:1-7).

The "seventy sevens" spoken of here refers to 70 x 7 years, or a total of 490 years.

According to this Scripture, seven things would occur within the 490-year period decreed for the Jews and Jerusalem. All seven of these things relate to the Messiah and his people:

"restrain the transgression"

ISAIAH 53:8
He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His
generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the
transgressions of My people He was stricken. (NKJV)

HEBREWS 9:15
And for this reason he is the mediator of the new covenant, by
means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first
covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal
inheritance. (NKJV)

"make an end to sins"

JOHN 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The
Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! (NKJV)

HEBREWS 9:26
He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the
world; but now, once at the end of the ages, he has appeared to put away sin by
the sacrifice of himself. (NKJV)

"make atonement for iniquity"

ISAIAH 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to
his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (NKJV)

ROMANS 3:25
God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his
blood. He did this to demonstrate His justice, because in His forbearance He
had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished – (NIV)

HEBREWS 2:17

For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way,
in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to
God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. (NIV)

"bring in age-lasting righteousness"

ISAIAH 53:11

He shall see the fruit of the travail of his soul and be satisfied;
by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted
righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities. (RSV)

ROMANS 5:17
For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that
one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace
and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus
Christ. (NIV)

"seal up vision"

The word translated "seal up" here is from the Hebrew root word chatam. This
word literally means "to lock up" or "to shut up."

ISAIAH 29:10
For the LORD has poured out on you the spirit of deep sleep, and
has closed your eyes, namely, the prophets; and He has covered your heads,
namely, the seers. 11 The whole vision has become to you like the words of a
book that is sealed, which men deliver to one who is literate, saying, "Read
this, please." And he says, "I cannot, for it is sealed." 12 Then the book is
delivered to one who is illiterate, saying, "Read this, please." And he says,
"I am not literate." 13 Therefore the LORD said: "Inasmuch as these people
draw near with their mouths and honor Me with their lips, but have removed their
hearts far from Me, and their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of
men, 14 therefore, behold, I will again do a marvelous work among this people, a
marvelous work and a wonder; for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and
the understanding of their prudent men shall be hidden." (NKJV)

"seal up prophecy"

ROMANS 11:7

What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect
have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written: "God
has given them a spirit of stupor, eyes that they should not see and ears that
they should not hear, to this very day." 9 And David says: "Let their table
become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense to them. 10 Let
their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, and bow down their back
always." (NKJV)

"anoint the most holy"

LUKE 4:18

"The Spirit of the LORD is upon me, because He has anointed me to
preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to
proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to set at
liberty those who are oppressed;" (NKJV)

ACTS 10:38
"How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with
power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the
devil, for God was with him." (NKJV)

Sorry.. but the reform view here is really different

It is a pre-millennialism(?) view. Only without a rapture

...

If you want.. I can sent you the reform dogmatic about this.

zone · Mar 16, 2011

Necto said:

uh.....ok necto!

your millennium of 'peace' has re-resurrected flesh men rebelling and making war with a visible christ.

rotflmho....what a disaster.

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