Sorry.. but the reform view here is really different It is a pre-millennialism(?) view. Only without a rapture ...
If you want.. I can sent you the reform dogmatic about this.
If you want.. I can sent you the reform dogmatic about this.
some reformers were premillennial. some cathloics are amillennial.
i can send you as many reformers who are amillennial as you can otherwise.
here's the a thousand years page from the above site i posted to which you replied:
The Millennium (Part One) - the thousand years and the Binding of Satan
2009-03-20
An exposition of Revelation Chapter 20
And I [John] saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years (Revelation 20:1 - 6).
The word "Millennium" means a thousand years. The Biblical concept of the Millennium is derived primarily from this passage in the book of Revelation. In part one of this article we will consider two key issues: Firstly, are we to understand the term "a thousand years" as an exact period of time or is it a figure of speech to indicate a long time, and secondly what is meant by the binding of Satan? In part two we will consider the first and second resurrection as well as the second death. And I [John] saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years (Revelation 20:1 - 6).
In Christian eschatology the period referred to as the Millennium constitutes the reign of the risen and exalted Messiah-King. There is, however, a divergence of views concerning where and when this reign commences. We will endeavour to prove from Scripture that the thousand years referred to in Revelation chapter 20 is a figurative representation of the present rule and reign of Christ from his heavenly throne and that Satan is bound during this period so that people from every nation, tribe and language may be set free from the power of Satan to worship the only true God through the preaching of the gospel. In fulfilment of prophecy (Daniel 7:13-14 and Isaiah 9:6-7), all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Jesus (Matt 28:18) in spite of the fact that he allows rebellion against the kingdom of God to continue for a time. But the rebellion is only allowed to continue during the day of salvation while God extends his grace and mercy to sinners to repent and to be reconciled to him through faith in Jesus' atoning sacrifice. This is confirmed by the Apostle Peter:
First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this ‘coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:3-9).
The proclamation of the gospel is that the victory over sin and death has been won through the death and resurrection of the Messiah who is now enthroned at the right hand of God as King of kings - "How beautiful on the mountains are the feet of those who bring good news, who proclaim peace, who bring good tidings, who proclaim salvation, who say to Zion, ‘Your God reigns!'" (Is.52; 7). The good news is that the Kingdom of God has come.
Alarmingly, despite the benefit of hindsight, a large part of the professing church has undermined the proclamation of the gospel (Your God reigns) by embracing the very teaching that was the downfall of the Pharisees, expecting God to establish his kingdom only in the future by vindicating unbelieving Israel and by installing Jesus as Messiah-King in the earthly city of Jerusalem. We wonder how those who regarded themselves as the most orthodox, faithful members of the Jewish community could have been so blind as to fail to recognize the Messiah in their midst, yet today we are witnessing the same phenomenon as many who regard themselves as fundamental Christians fail to recognize that the Kingdom of God has expanded from Jerusalem to the ends of the earth, teaching that the church is merely a parenthesis, that the kingdom of God has been postponed and that the kingdom will only be restored to unbelieving Israel some time in the future. They scoff at those who declare the Kingdom of God to be a present reality, expecting a future Kingdom to be established after the carnal expectations of their first-century counterparts. They thereby unwittingly affirm the Jewish rejection of Jesus Christ during the present age since they put off the salvation and vindication of Israel to the future. However, when Jesus returns it will not be to vindicate any who have not believed in him nor been born again of the Holy Spirit.
While many people refuse to acknowledge Jesus as King the Scriptures reveal that it is deliberately hidden from those who are wise in their own eyes.
As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, "If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace--but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you" (Luke 19:41-44 see also Mt. 11:25, Lk. 10:21).
Many of the Jewish teachers overlooked the prophecy of Daniel (ch. 2) where it was revealed that the Kingdom of God would not immediately overthrow the kingdoms of the gentiles. They were expecting the kingdom of God to come with the forceful overthrow of the Gentile oppressors, but the rule of Jesus Christ is first established in the hearts of the humble who repent of their sins.
Once, having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, ‘Here it is,' or ‘There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:20-21).
The unbelief of those who do not recognise that the kingdom of God has come does not negate the fact that God has installed his anointed one, Jesus, as Lord over all. God is calling all men to submit to his authority that he has established through his Messiah and everyone who does not submit to Him will eventually be put to shame.
Why do the nations conspire and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the LORD and against his Anointed One. ...The LORD has set his anointed King on His holy hill of Zion (Psalm 2:1-2;6).
Jesus warned his disciples to beware of the teaching of the Pharisees who were convinced that God would vindicate them by destroying the unbelieving nations. However, contrary to the expectations of the Pharisees, it was the earthly city of Jerusalem that fell under God's judgement in AD 70 because they failed to recognize the time of God's visitation (see Matthew 16:5-12 and Luke 21:20-24). Many people from all nations came to believe in Jesus as the Messiah and were included among God's redeemed, holy nation together with the Jews who believed and many Jews were cut off from God's holy nation because they hardened their hearts and became spiritually blinded.
How Long is "a Thousand" Years?
Is the thousand years referred to in the book of Revelation a literal one thousand years yet to commence or is it a figure of speech indicating the long period that began with the ascension of Jesus where he has been enthroned at the right hand of the Father in heaven until his return to finally end the rebellion and judge the world? Those who adopt the literal approach often criticise figurative interpretation as "spiritualising the meaning away." We will endeavour to show that such literalism, as far as a thousand years is concerned, ironically undermines the literal truth of the gospel by projecting into the future certain events that are present realities and are critical to our understanding of the gospel, such as the reign of Christ, the binding of Satan and the first resurrection.
The language of the Book of Revelation is very obviously apocalyptic and figurative. In the opening verses this is made clear by the Lord himself: The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place (Revelation 1:1). To understand the use of figurative language, let us consider the symbolism of the Eucharist. The breaking of the bread and the cup of wine used in commemoration of the "Lord's Supper" was intended to be a memorial to symbolically demonstrate the Lord's death and the shedding of his blood until he comes in glory. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come (1 Corinthians 11:26 [KJV]).
The opening verse of the Book of Revelation contains the key for its interpretation. God intended to reveal the glory of the risen and exalted Lord Jesus, now enthroned in heaven, by means of symbolism. The term "to show" or "to shew forth" implies to show to the church on earth, by means of symbolism, the revelation of Jesus Christ enthroned in the heavenly realm. Some people have insisted that the bread and wine is more than symbolic and that it literally becomes the body and blood of Jesus Christ. Those who fail to see the symbolism of a thousand years ironically obscure the real meaning of the passage by insisting that the millennium is a future period of a literal one thousand years. The symbolic language used in the Book of Revelation is used elsewhere in the Scriptures, including the use of the number of a thousand, to mean the full number, not a literal one thousand.
Following are several examples found elsewhere in Scripture where "a thousand" is used as a figure of speech to describe the full - or vast - number of particular things or long periods of time:
"... I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments" (Exodus 20:5-6).
"The LORD your God has increased your numbers so that today you are as many as the stars in the sky. May the LORD, the God of your fathers, increase you a thousand times and bless you as he has promised!" (Deuteronomy 1:9-11).
"I have no need of a bull from your stall or of goats from your pens, for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills" (Psalm 50:9). (Everyone will agree that this obviously means that all the cattle, not literally the cattle on exactly one thousand hills are the LORD's, yet many people insist that the thousand years mentioned in revelation must be taken absolutely literally.)
"I have no need of a bull from your stall or of goats from your pens, for every animal of the forest is mine, and the cattle on a thousand hills" (Psalm 50:9). (Everyone will agree that this obviously means that all the cattle, not literally the cattle on exactly one thousand hills are the LORD's, yet many people insist that the thousand years mentioned in revelation must be taken absolutely literally.)
Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere;...(Psalm 84:10).
For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night (Psalm 90:4).
A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you (Psalm 91:7).
He remembers his covenant forever, the word he commanded, for a thousand generations,...(Psalm 105:8).
A man may have a hundred children and live many years; yet no matter how long he lives, if he cannot enjoy his prosperity and does not receive proper burial, I say that a stillborn child is better off than he. It comes without meaning, it departs in darkness, and in darkness its name is shrouded. Though it never saw the sun or knew anything, it has more rest than does that man-- even if he lives a thousand years twice over but fails to enjoy his prosperity (Ecclesiastes 6:3-6).
Your neck is like the tower of David, built with elegance; on it hang a thousand shields, all of them shields of warriors (Song of Songs 4:4).
In that day, in every place where there were a thousand vines worth a thousand silver shekels, there will be only briers and thorns. Men will go there with bow and arrow, for the land will be covered with briers and thorns (Isaiah 7:23-24).
A thousand will flee at the threat of one; at the threat of five...(Isaiah 30:17).
The least of you will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation (Isaiah 60:22).
This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "The city that marches out a thousand strong for Israel will have only a hundred left;...(Amos 5:3).
These examples provide ample evidence that the term "a thousand" is often used in Scripture in a figurative manner, not intending to convey a precise number but rather a great or full number. Today we use the number "a million" to describe a great or exaggerated number - obviously not intending to describe a literal or precise number (eg. That will never happen - not in a million years!).For a thousand years in your sight are like a day that has just gone by, or like a watch in the night (Psalm 90:4).
A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you (Psalm 91:7).
He remembers his covenant forever, the word he commanded, for a thousand generations,...(Psalm 105:8).
A man may have a hundred children and live many years; yet no matter how long he lives, if he cannot enjoy his prosperity and does not receive proper burial, I say that a stillborn child is better off than he. It comes without meaning, it departs in darkness, and in darkness its name is shrouded. Though it never saw the sun or knew anything, it has more rest than does that man-- even if he lives a thousand years twice over but fails to enjoy his prosperity (Ecclesiastes 6:3-6).
Your neck is like the tower of David, built with elegance; on it hang a thousand shields, all of them shields of warriors (Song of Songs 4:4).
In that day, in every place where there were a thousand vines worth a thousand silver shekels, there will be only briers and thorns. Men will go there with bow and arrow, for the land will be covered with briers and thorns (Isaiah 7:23-24).
A thousand will flee at the threat of one; at the threat of five...(Isaiah 30:17).
The least of you will become a thousand, the smallest a mighty nation (Isaiah 60:22).
This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "The city that marches out a thousand strong for Israel will have only a hundred left;...(Amos 5:3).
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