The Necessity of Tongues For Prayer Language

[Baruch]

We've had past discussions on tongues and gifts etc that perhaps weren't so cordial Baruch.

I personally use tongues as a prayer language only if I have interpretation as well. Otherwise I don't usually know what I'm saying. But it's not something that really bothers me. Sometimes you start to pray in english but then tongues just flows out.

I don't buy any of the theories you hear about tongues being necessary so that the devil can't understand what you are saying lol.

One verse that comes to mind to support use of tongues as prayer language is when Paul said something like the person with tongues but no interpretation needs to keep quiet praying to God.

Why would God interrupt your prayer to Him? Below is the reason why I would give pause.

1 Corinthians 14:32And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

And yet there is confusion... and of such... God is not the author thereof. We are instructed not to quench the Spirit because we can.. but the way you describe the onset of prayer language interrupting your prayer in native tongue suggests a more dominating spirit than the One we can quench whoch of course, we are not to do.

The point is do we allow the supernatural to have dominion over us since the spirits are subject to the prophets or... do we see the need to go to Jesus in prayer in their own native tongue?

Proverbs 25:28He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

And yet Jesus warned about the thief that would do that:

Matthew 24:43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Luke 12:39And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.

I am hoping that the Lord will give you pause and cause the increase to see what practises needs discernment as well as prunings. By His grace, may you be able to receive it in the knowledge of Jesus Christ.

 

[carpetmanswife]

for the record i am a member of a baptist church , do attend a pentecostal church ,and i dont think any particular denomination can be totally correct because man has his hand in them therefore id have to b labeled non deniminational. I am a follower of Christ. I dont pray in tongues neither do i feel the need to defend it.. refrain from these men and let them alone for if this counsel or work be of men it will come to nought but if it be of God ye cannot overthrow it lest haply ye be found to fight against God. acts 5:38&39 my point is just what i said the constant criticism is hurtful and old..once again plz stop.

 

[Baruch]

Probably the biggest problem I have with critics of tongues is that the majority criticise something they have never experienced before. So I suggest to any non-tongue speakers, seek God about it and receive the gift yourselves if it is His will, and then try to tell tongue speakers what they are doing wrong. Unless of course those tongue speakers are going against scriptures about order and disorder in the church.

Preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues is apostasy.

And then you get a lot more insight about the idea of tongues as a prayer language and what it means. The definition of the doctrine as described by pentecostal denominations is only a poor attempt at trying to describe the experience that so many have. There are a lot of unfounded beliefs (like the one that the devil cant understand your tongues etc), but that doesn't negate the reality of the experience.

Doesn't negate the reality of this prophesy coming true....

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

.......nor the responsibility of doing this either.

1 John 4: 1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. 7Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

The line of discernment is more than just verse 2 and that is when another spirit comes on a person. What is the faith?

2 Corinthians 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

So may the Lord give you pause and take this matter to Him in prayer because there are alot of red flags being raised about tongues in how they are gained and used today.

The fact that those that practise it has to be broached on the subject goes to show the apathy within the church in the proper use of as well as the proper receiving of these tongues. If we are to test the spirits, then we are to test the tongues. If we are to have one judge what was prophesied after two or three prophesied, then tongues do not get a free ride as a prayer language when no interpretation has come in the assembly.

 

[Baruch]

for the record i am a member of a baptist church , do attend a pentecostal church ,and i dont think any particular denomination can be totally correct because man has his hand in them therefore id have to b labeled non deniminational. I am a follower of Christ. I dont pray in tongues neither do i feel the need to defend it.. refrain from these men and let them alone for if this counsel or work be of men it will come to nought but if it be of God ye cannot overthrow it lest haply ye be found to fight against God. acts 5:38&39 my point is just what i said the constant criticism is hurtful and old..once again plz stop.

Then nothing I have posted can be considered condemning of the believer for they are my brothers and sisters, but the practise needs discernment as this is the good fight.

1 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing. 9Do thy diligence to come shortly unto me.

I know that last verse was not said by Jesus Christ in this context, but He has been saying that all along in all His invitations to come to Him for life as well as striving to continue coming to Him only for many other false prophets and false spirits would lead others away from Christ Jesus... if only for a moment as the definition of the anti-christ is.. "instead of Christ"... not against Christ.

So do consider the necessity for taking this matter to the Lord in prayer even though you do not practise this, still you are among those that do... and do note that not all that speak in tongues are within the confines of the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches for there is an Indian Tribe that has return to its roots and they keep with the former practises of calling for the Great Spirit but this time.. they call for the Spirit of Jesus. As churches are becoming more alarm of new agers creeping into the churches, little are they discerning the rudiment of the world already being practised within.. and that is by seeking another spirit to receive which is not of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

A little leaven leavens a whole lump.

The "holy laughter" movement was across all the walls of the denomenation as reported by the 700 Club in 1994. So the alarm is not just for the Pentcostal and Charismatics. It is for the Catholics as well as the Protestants.

So consider that as this prohesy has come true:

1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

What greater hypocrisey relating to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils when they call for the Holy Spirit when He is already within them?

2 Corinthians 13: 5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Keeping the faith is the good fight and it is not showing love for one another when we ignore that which is contrary to that faith for we desire those that profess Him to be ready and abiding in Him before the Bridegroom appears to take us Home.

 

[Raeshelle]

CMW and Noahsmom. We all know that some people on here are right no matter what.. But the way I look at it is I know what I have experienced in my walk with God and No one can shake that.. Yes it does upset me to see how people can come on here and all they do is tear down others.. Not sure why that makes them feel so much better about themselves.. There is nothing you or I can say to change them, so I guess the best we can do is pray that God can show them the error of their ways..
Oh and for the record I don't care if you believe in tongues or not.. That is up to you.. Even though I do believe I do not feel that I have the right to tell you that you are wrong in what you believe..

 

[Baruch]

CMW and Noahsmom. We all know that some people on here are right no matter what.. But the way I look at it is I know what I have experienced in my walk with God and No one can shake that.. Yes it does upset me to see how people can come on here and all they do is tear down others.. Not sure why that makes them feel so much better about themselves.. There is nothing you or I can say to change them, so I guess the best we can do is pray that God can show them the error of their ways..
Oh and for the record I don't care if you believe in tongues or not.. That is up to you.. Even though I do believe I do not feel that I have the right to tell you that you are wrong in what you believe..

It is out of Christ's love for you that I say this: There are Biblical tongues and there are tongues that are of the world.

What you expereince can be real, but what is written? To not believe every spirit but test them by what? The Word of God.

I was in a service where mostly everyone was forward, lying on the floor doing body twitchings and only one Oriental lady was laughing non-stop on the floor, and I even saw someone purposefully saw me looking back behind me to see who was still in the pews ... and she moved from across the aisle behind me into my section of pews.. walked all the way to the other end to come down my row of pew to stand about five feet away before she fell back as if slain by the Spirit. I saw her eyes moving beneathe towards my direction to see if I had noticed her falling back into the sitting position in the pew. The proof of the environmental need to fit in is right there as I saw it, BUT

There was also a supernatural experience as I was being pushed behind by an unseen hand three times.

And the irony of it all was... God warned me beforehand about a week earlier to decide Whom I will serve, the Lord Jesus Christ or something else in His name. I thanked the Lord that I trusted Him and asked Him to help me serve Him only.

So I could have gotten caught up in the movement of the "Spirit" and declare.."Wow! I was pushed behind three time and there was no one even remotely behind me to do it!" I could reshift my focus from seeking the facr of Jesus Christ to looking to that spirit in the worship place to be felt and to glory in it that it was happening to me.... but.. no, thanks to Jesus being My Good Shepherd.

Since we are to test the spirits, so are we to test the tongues for there are tongues in the world that comes with seeking after other spirits.

A neighbor across the street was reading the Bible in her kitchen one day when she claimed the Holy spirit came over her as she began speaking in tongues. She testified that it was the day she was saved because she got it all at once. So I had asked her what she was reading that made her believe in Jesus. She didn't understand my question. Then she went on in how she went to the pastor and inquired about her supernatural event , because she had believed in Jesus before that event, and all the pastor did was point to Acts 2 and says.. this is what happened. Then she went on to testify that other people from her church experienced the same thing but she rolled her eyes on the report she withheld because they were doing other things that apparantly was hardly in context to her reading her Bible. So the one thing I noticed this supernatural event did was change her testimony in when she was saved. Without realizing it, she was preaching this baptism of the Holy Spirit to receive that comes with evidence of tongues as when someone can know when they are saved. For such a move by the Holy Spirit, why didn't He correct her at all later on? Thus since there is a spirit of error... that would take our eyes off of Jesus and move us away from the faith in Jesus Christ in labouring in unbelief by seeking another spirit to receive...

Mark 13: 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. 23But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.

All I can do by His grace is ask this.. when you pray in tongues... is it to Jesus... or to the Spirit? No rationalization now. I am asking you discern where your thoughts, your words, and your focus are on... in serving that spirit.... or are your eyes on Jesus, the One at the right hand of God the Father?

Yes, I know that the Holy Spirit is God, but it is amazing how everyone that says.. keep your eyes on Jesus or they would say that Jesus is enough, but yet in the same face.. say.. well.. there is more than just Jesus... and one must seek another baptism of the Holy Spirit in order to get these tongues. WHAT?!!!

Oh, I am sure that event is real... but is it of the Lord or is it that believers want it to be from Him? As it is, there is only one baptism of the Holy Spirit and we are warned about those preaching another spirit to receive...all leading up to tongues found in the world... so by His grace, can you see the need to take the matter to Jesus in prayer for discernment or shall pride keep you from doing so?

Yes.. I know. I was pushed behind three times by an unseen hand. What would you say to me about discerning that? Greater is he that is in me than he that is in the world? Then consider the testimony of those that testify of the "Spirit" coming over them as they lose self control and some.. not all... but some speak in tongues.

It is in regards to our faith I am broaching this topic of tongues, and I can only hope that God will prick your hearts to consider taking pause and pray about this in light of His Word and the faith in Jesus Christ.

By the way... do you hear any error in regards to people practising tongues and ignore them or do you reprove it in Christ's love? Cause there is a saying...

"if you do not speak in tongues.. you do not have the Holy spirit.. and therefore you are not saved."

My neighbor's testimony across the street could lead her to say that and certainly make others think that, but she didn't say that directly... but just giving an example in how the words we say.. are not representative of our faith in Jesus Christ.

Matthew 12: 36But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.


Colossians 2: 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

I love you in Christ, Raeshelle. I would not have posted if I did not care for my brothers and sisters.

2 Timothy 2:15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness....

19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

As God addressed the seven churches in Revelations to examine themselves in the faith, so are we to do also individually as well as church-wise.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues is apostasy.

Actually it's scriptural. Read the book of Acts. There are a number of cases of people being baptised in the Spirit.

 

[MahogonySnail]

There are a number of cases of people being baptised in the Spirit.

With or without tongues, but tongues is a frequent phenomena associated with it, oh and praising God.

 

[Raeshelle]

Like I said you believe what you want.. I believe in trying the spirts and seeing if they are of God.. And I also am smart enough to know that satan trys to mimic God's spirit as well... But Like i said before.. I believe in tongues. that they are real.. But I am not going to kick you in the dirt because you say they are wrong..

I thinkit is time that we as Christian need to pull together and do a work for God and seeing lost souls won to him rather then tearing each other down.. Where are the threads on encouraging one another. And if someone does start one the get ignored or torn to shreds by someone looking to find fault in his brother or Sister in Christ..

I Pray that God help me each day to be a blessing to someone and not to tear down.. To use me as a instrutment of his love and Grace. To have a Good atitude so that I might lead someone to him and let them see him by how I walk and talk..

 

[KingdomGeneration]

Preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues is apostasy.

I am so sick of that word. It has been used out of context so much lately that I'd like to encourage the mods to censor it like they do various curse words. *lol*

People please make sure that pride is not your motivation when using words like apostasy, heresy, and blasphemy because in doing so, you are just as guilty of committing as those you claim are doing so.

 

[KingdomGeneration]

Good luck finding faults.

Seeing as I work and deal with baptists on a daily basis I can name at least a dozen or so. Noah's Dad hit on one already. However I will not because scripture tells not to to lay stumbling blocks in our brother's path. I'd much rather be proven obedient than right...

 

[KingdomGeneration]

making a slight correction..

I am so sick of that word. It has been used out of context so much lately that I'd like to encourage the mods to censor it like they do various curse words. *lol*

People please make sure that pride is not your motivation when using words like apostasy, heresy, and blasphemy because in doing so, you are just as guilty of committing SIN as those you claim are doing so.

 

[KingdomGeneration]

Personally I don't feel that speaking in tongues is a necessity to be saved however, No where in scripture have I found where the spiritual gifts (including speaking in tongues) have ceased. NO WHERE!

 

[Abing]

The Necessity of Tongues For Prayer Language -

do you need us to discuss this?

or do u just need to let us all know how you feel about it? i wish we have blogs on here , so people can post these topics under blogs

or do you want us to answer u and defend what we believe in? and start a forest fire?? lol

 

[KingdomGeneration]

The Necessity of Tongues For Prayer Language -

do you need us to discuss this?

or do u just need to let us all know how you feel about it? i wish we have blogs on here , so people can post these topics under blogs

or do you want us to answer u and defend what we believe in? and start a forest fire?? lol

*lol* Abing

I agree. I was talking to Stillwaters earlier about how there appears to be two camps embroiled in some sort of holy war. If the conversation isn't about condemning people over being a charismatic, it's about once saved always saved. The sad part is it seems one side in particular seems to like to try to get a rise out of the other.

 

[Baruch]

Actually it's scriptural. Read the book of Acts. There are a number of cases of people being baptised in the Spirit.

Actually, you cannot use the Book of Acts to apply the current supernatural experiences to it. Readers do not get the full story and thereby are making assumptions on the historical account by reading inbetween the lines and ignoring the other verses in content... as well as all the commandments of Jesus in how one gets the Spirit.. all the promises that is associated with this salvation, and what is regarded in keeping with the faith and what is not of faith, written plainly elsewhere.

In other words, there is either one hope of our calling and one baptism of the Holy Spirit... or there isn't. Either we are complete in Christ or.. we are not. Either we are filled and hunger no more nor thirst no more.. or we are hungering and thirsting for more, filling and never can say that we are filled. Either Jesus is the only Way to the Father or He is not the only way for the "Holy Spirit" is another way. Either Jesus is the only Door or there is another door to the Holy Spirit. Either Jesus is the Only Mediator or... the Holy Spirit is also. Either Jesus is the Head of the Church or we talk and act like the Holy Spirit is. Either Jesus' name is above every other name.. or He isn't.

Just because people read in Acts 4 that it "looks" like the Holy Spirit fell on the "believers" again, they forget the beginning of Acts 4 about how there were new Jewish converts to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. In other words, you can be in the same place when preaching the Gospel when new believers have been saved and baptized with the Holy Ghost... doesn't mean you were baptized by the Holy Ghost again just because you were there in that place when it happened. What would be the point of it if that was signifying that the new converts were saved? Did you become unsaved for that to happen to you again? No. But one can misinterpret a spirit to be of God to change the testimony that there is another baptism of the Holy Spirit when scriptures in instructions to the churches clearly says not...and the focus in their walk with Christ has changed to disorderly practises, mimicking the doctrines of devils thus allowing believers to give heed to seducing spirits by seeking another spirit to receive.

Again, I am asking you to take this matter to the Lord Jesus in prayer if you value your relationship with the Bridegroom. Only He can show you what is of Him and what is not.

 

[Baruch]

I am so sick of that word. It has been used out of context so much lately that I'd like to encourage the mods to censor it like they do various curse words. *lol*

People please make sure that pride is not your motivation when using words like apostasy, heresy, and blasphemy because in doing so, you are just as guilty of committing as those you claim are doing so.

Apostasy... meaning "standing apart from the truth".

If Ephesians 4:4-6 declares one baptism of the Holy Spirit as in one hope of our calling... then another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues is what? It is contrary to what is written in Ephesians 4:4-6. That means standing apart from the truth... apostasy. It is applicable and necessary to defend the faith in Christ.

 

[Baruch]

Seeing as I work and deal with baptists on a daily basis I can name at least a dozen or so. Noah's Dad hit on one already. However I will not because scripture tells not to to lay stumbling blocks in our brother's path. I'd much rather be proven obedient than right...

Then what do you call when someone tells a new believer or any believer that they need another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues? What happens in some of those cases when they seek after this other baptism? They fall down. The result is pretty much the description of a stumbling block to me.

 

[Baruch]

Personally I don't feel that speaking in tongues is a necessity to be saved however, No where in scripture have I found where the spiritual gifts (including speaking in tongues) have ceased. NO WHERE!

When people seek tongues by another way and not after Jesus Christ, but after the "Spirit", then someone is liable to find out if the Biblical tongues are continuing anywhere. Then they are liable to determine if there isn't a reason why tongues have ceased.

1 Corinthians 13: 8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Before scripture became available... can not the speaking in tongues and the interpretation of tongues be considered as seeing through a glass darkly? Now that the scriptures are here, should we put away "childish" things since no new revelation has been given.. no new knowledge... no new prophecy has come true for nothing more needs to be said and thus tongues have ceased for the scriptures are here?

For all the misuse of tongues and its disorderly practises, these tongues today in how they are gained are against the faith in Jesus Christ by seeking it the way the world does in getting their tongues .. from going after "spirits". Talk about "yikes".

 

[Baruch]

The Necessity of Tongues For Prayer Language -

do you need us to discuss this?

or do u just need to let us all know how you feel about it? i wish we have blogs on here , so people can post these topics under blogs

or do you want us to answer u and defend what we believe in? and start a forest fire?? lol

Hi sister in Christ,

If the Lord would have you share something relevant, please do so, but as it is, all I am asking is from what I have shared is to take time out and take it to the Lord Jesus in prayer... (in regular langauge.. not the prayer one), because I have given enough reasons for alarms. Only God can cuase the increase. Only God can reveal that which is of Him and that which is not.. in according to our faith wriietn plainly in the scriptures.