1 Corintians 5: 9-13

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I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people--not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this word, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would have to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those who are inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. "Purge the evil person from amoung you."

There is so much in this verse I feel needs to be separated and pondered...obvioulsy at the end of the verse he is asking Christians to judge those inside the church...also as I said in another thread, it suggests that Christians should separate themselves from any other Christian "brother or sister" who dwells in sin.

Personally, I am not sure how we are to follow this word, but I am quite sure that I have seen many Christians violating this, including myself at times...

So what do you get out of this?

God bless
tony

ps. I don't believe I misspelled Corinthians!
 
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1 Corinthians 5:9I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators: 10Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? 13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Those are instructions towards the assembly if a believer was known to be living in sin and non-repentive of it. They need to be put out of the assembly if they believed they have not sinned or that "it is impossible not to do this sin" which would be the same thing as not repenting.

For the gravity of the sin towards the individual in his or her relationship with God, we read this:

1 Corinthians 6: 8Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren. 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. 12All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

If one considers the lifestyle of the prodigal son in that he gave up his first inheritance for wild living, then we can see how those that live in sin will be left behind at the rapture event when judgment will fall on the House of God first.

1 Peter 4: 1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; 2That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. 3For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead........
16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

Here is God addressing a church in Revelation regarding the consequences of this sin of fornication:

Revelation 2: 20Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

1 Corinthians 3:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6: 18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

So everyone wonders how they can do it. Everywhere we look, advertisement and the media uses sexual arousal to gain attention, thus it is obvious where the battle and the discernment begins... through the eye. If we are to reprove having a covetous lustful eye, then we are to lean on Christ Jesus to help us not sow to the flesh or make provision for the flesh... that would want us to fulfill the lust thereof... by knowing when to turn away.

Romans 13:13Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

I know the devil will be ready to give guilt trips and condemnation, but the hope in living the christian life is not on us, but trusting the Lord to do His work in us to be Our Good Shepherd as well as Our Saviour.

John 6: 28Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Hebrews 2:18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

1 Corinthians 10:12Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.


Hebrews 4: 12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

God has provided the way out to avoid fornication:

1 Corinthians 7:1Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. 3Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband.

And yet, many these days will say they are not ready for marriage, but are willing to court being left behind at the rapture event.

So the battle begins with the eye. If television sows to the flesh.. pick another hobby. If music influences you to carnal thinking... pick christian music.

Matthew 6: 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. 22The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. 23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

If dating is the problem where temptations arises: double date with christians of like-mindedness, but make no mistake. Just because we live in America, it doesn't mean that we are not being "persecuted" or "oppressed'. If anything, the battle is spiritual for believers in America.

Ephesians 6: 10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;



1 Corinthians 15:33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. 34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

1 Peter 4:3For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: 4Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: 5Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

1 Peter 4:11If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 12Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you: 13But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

Colossians 3:16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

2 Timothy 2:19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

So the choice is to call on the name of the Lord to save us from our sins to no longer continue in them and trust Him to lead us away from temptations and deliver us from the evil one... or we continue on in sin, giving up our first inheritance whereby there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth as those left behind will be those vessels unto dishonour.... the result of being the prodigal son. The loss will be so great that God has to wipe the tears from their eyes to get them past their loss.

I have to ask myself is sinning really worth it? Is it worth giving up my first inheritance like Esau did for a meal as in temporary and fleeting sexual pleasure in light of the rewards of the first inheritance in eternity? I know that we have dual natures as the old carnal man seeks to have dominance over us, but sin shall not have dominion over us as we lean on Christ to help us be honest with ourselves in when we are sowing to the flesh and to help us when we need to look for an escape when temptations comes upon us suddenly. Are our eyes upon this earth or above? Do we value the things of the flesh or should we ask Jesus to help put away those things that hinder us and entangle us to sin?

Herein is the danger of continuing in sin:

2 Peter 2:18For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

Galatians 5:13For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

If one considers that it takes two to fornicate, then, is it really love being shown to your lover to cause your "lover" to sin against God as well? If not a believer, then how are they to be reconcile to God if they see no need for repentance? Either we are His ambassaders or they will not see our faith.

Galatians 5:19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

May God cause the increase and give you the answers you seek.

Philippians 3:13Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, 14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. 15Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

Remember to lean on Him to do His work in you:

Jude 1: 24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

1 John 3:3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
 
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corinthians is one of my favorites...corinthians 13:4 is awsome!
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This is not a thread to talk about the things that have been highly disrupted in the past, just wondering how other Christians interprit this...so lets just see what people see it says...
 
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disrupted should be disputed
 
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the Scriptures tend to teach a different attitude regarding sinners/backsliders. In the christian church there is alot of talk about people that "used to be christians" and arent anymore, and there is alot of contempt for such people . These people get used as examples in preachings adn we hear things like "well, they had their chance, but they decided they would rather live sinful lives so our job is done" etc . But inteh Scriptures, the attitude is VERY different . In the Scriptures, a jew didnt stop being a Jew if he sinned , they are eternally Gods children, while in the NT thinking, a person has to "maintain" his son-ship and people can stop being "christians" . Also the attitude towards teh backslier is completely different . compare the verses about "not eating with such people " or teh verses about kicking people out and giving them to satan etc, to examples in the Scriptrues . look at Moses and Samuels attitude towards backsliders
"And Moses returned unto Jehovah, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold."But now, if You will, forgive their sin-- and if not, please blot me out from Your Book which You have written!" - exo 32:31

"And all the people said to Samuel, Pray to Jehovah thy God for thy servants, that we die not; for we have added to all our sins the wickedness to ask for ourselves a king. 20 And Samuel said to the people, Fear not: ye have done all this wickedness; yet turn not aside from following Jehovah, and serve Jehovah with all your heart; 21 and turn ye not aside; for it would be after vain things which cannot profit nor deliver; for they are vain. 22 For Jehovah will not cast away his people for his great name's sake; because it has pleased Jehovah to make you his people. 23 Moreover, as for me, far be it from me that I should sin against Jehovah in ceasing to pray for you; and I will teach you the good and right way."

Moses asked God to blot his name out of His bookif he was goign to do so to His people , and Samuel told the peopel that they had indeed commited great blasphemies , but that God would not reject them becuase it had pleased God to make them His people, adn added that it would be a sin against God to cease in praying and interceading for them . thats teh opposite of what we do and teach. when someone backslides we go "oh well" or say thigns like "its their decision, they didnt choose wisely like i did" and instead of praying for them, we kick them while they are down with our preachings
 
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Baruch

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This is not a thread to talk about the things that have been highly disrupted in the past, just wondering how other Christians interprit this...so lets just see what people see it says...
From the first post:

There is so much in this verse I feel needs to be separated and pondered...obvioulsy at the end of the verse he is asking Christians to judge those inside the church...also as I said in another thread, it suggests that Christians should separate themselves from any other Christian "brother or sister" who dwells in sin.

Personally, I am not sure how we are to follow this word, but I am quite sure that I have seen many Christians violating this, including myself at times...

So what do you get out of this?
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but I had believed you were asking for more than just the interpretation of those scriptures. In which case, I misread you. I apologize.

I had thought you were referring to the violating of commiting the sin of fornication as well as the violating of not correcting a brother or sister caught in trespass of commiting fornication and if not repentive... violating the instruction of not having company with them and thereby necessitate the need to express the gravity of the sin of fornication as to why one, out of love for their brother or sister, should not have company... so that they may repent.

This quote did broaden in my perspective since it was not clear as to what you meant:

Personally, I am not sure how we are to follow this word, but I am quite sure that I have seen many Christians violating this, including myself at times...
In any event, sorry.

As for the scriptures itself, it would be hard to follow those instructions if the assembly are not exhorted to care for one another in that way. May the Lord help them.
 
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No you are fine in what you said, I just did not want bickering...just wanted what you saw and what you thought it demanded, things for responding...

God bless
tony
 
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ESV--I love its interpretation of the Psalms, and it reads fairly flourently through the New Testament as well...
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To me it means as it says. Don't befriend or become close to someone who says they are a christian but are not living right and knows it. That means the immoral things people do while claiming to be christian like the single mothers, the boyfriend and girlfriend living together, the lady on her 10th husband, etc.
You know where to draw the line. There's people who make honest mistakes and wish they didn't. But there's people who are hardened to sin and these are the ones it's meaning, not the average believer who always makes mistakes now and then. At the same time Jesus tolerated a thief amongst his disciples the whole time. But if Judas was committing mass murder occasionally I doubt that Jesus would have let him stay as a disciple.
 
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To me it means as it says. Don't befriend or become close to someone who says they are a christian but are not living right and knows it. That means the immoral things people do while claiming to be christian like the single mothers, the boyfriend and girlfriend living together, the lady on her 10th husband, etc.
You know where to draw the line. There's people who make honest mistakes and wish they didn't. But there's people who are hardened to sin and these are the ones it's meaning, not the average believer who always makes mistakes now and then. At the same time Jesus tolerated a thief amongst his disciples the whole time. But if Judas was committing mass murder occasionally I doubt that Jesus would have let him stay as a disciple.
"single mothers" ? *palms face
 
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MS I hear you always mentioning Judas as an example of someone turning away from God, but the thing is Jesus was still alive. Its my understanding that after Jesus overcame death by coming back to life that was when grace came on the scene. (Not that God's grace wasn't evident in the old testament at times). I know Judas went down in history as betraying Jesus and God only knows his fate. The point is both he and Peter served as an example of God's forgiveness through Jesus towards them. Had he not hung himself i'm sure that he would have had the same opportunity as Peter did. One sin was no worse than the other.

Soooo i'm thinking there is that difference of before Jesus died and after. The letter of the law was replaced with grace, but it was not done away with just fullfilled.
And the prayer in John about not losing any sheep, except the one bound to be lost.. was also before Christ was crucified. So I think looking at the one who was lost (Judas) is valid.
But it's the same Jesus. The new testament talks about denying Jesus too. I think denying Jesus before his death is the same as denying Him after He came back to life.

I'm not sure about your statement about God's grace coming on the scene. God has always been gracious , merciful and kind, although that may not always be expressed in the way we would like it to be expressed. God has always been gracious, the difference I believe is how that grace is expressed to us and how we obtain it. In recent years I've learnt different to the common belief of God being like a merciless dictator in the old testament and suddenly a big friendly loving pussy-cat in the new testament.
 
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Well I mean I've seen single mums or dads who don't see they've done anything wrong. Just because they have a cute little baby doesn't mean the sin is any less of a sin.


Yes the Judas debate is an ongoing one ie was Judas simply doing God's will or was Judas truly an enemy of Christ. This is a debate about God's sovereignty and our free will or not. But let's not go there ;).
 
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