THE ABOMINATIONS OF DESOLATION
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B
of coarse you being new may think someone isnt proper...since only the brazen posts catch your eye
and id bet you havnt checked to see if it was over the same thing already dealt with many many times
already. And you can also think some are just not with it because they may be ten steps ahead of you.
and really its you who isnt with it.
One more thing...anyone can say " i just wuv people and want to show them Jesus" really? is that
provable? And does Jesus like us to change His word to be more sellable?
Youve really put up a great boast...now lets see how you do. And after 10,000-20,000 posts
lets check again.
we get lots of the perfect type up in here
and id bet you havnt checked to see if it was over the same thing already dealt with many many times
already. And you can also think some are just not with it because they may be ten steps ahead of you.
and really its you who isnt with it.
One more thing...anyone can say " i just wuv people and want to show them Jesus" really? is that
provable? And does Jesus like us to change His word to be more sellable?
Youve really put up a great boast...now lets see how you do. And after 10,000-20,000 posts
lets check again.
we get lots of the perfect type up in here
I'm just trying to understand the mentality around here.
B
Honestly, stek, I have no beef with anyone. If anybody doesn't agree with me, fine. That's what open dialog is all about. You may say something worth thinking about, something I didn't know or something I needed at that time. Same thing in reverse.
To post senseless crude irrational statements to hurt people is not necessary. I do understand it will happen from time to time. The thing I look for is a trend. Do they do it on a regular basis. Those I steer away from and not respond to. They look for fights, not proper dialog. As I am new here, it takes time to understand everyone I post to.
OK? No hard feelings?
To post senseless crude irrational statements to hurt people is not necessary. I do understand it will happen from time to time. The thing I look for is a trend. Do they do it on a regular basis. Those I steer away from and not respond to. They look for fights, not proper dialog. As I am new here, it takes time to understand everyone I post to.
OK? No hard feelings?
L
You really need to study more. The word sacrifice is in italics meaning it is not in the original. it is referring to the daily not just the sacrifice. Have you forgotten the verses in Daniel 8 that mention the Daily as well
Daniel 8:9-12 KJV
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant.
(10) And it waxed great, to the host of heaven; and it cast down of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
(12) And an host was given against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
If you read this the little horn makes war against heaven so the daily in these verses is referring to the daily in the heavenly sanctuary. The Bible says that Jesus is our high priest and that there is a two apartment sanctuary in heaven. the daily deals with the forgiveness of sins. So the power that takes away the daily will claim to be able to forgive sins thereby taking the daily away from Christ to whom it belongs.
Daniel 8:9-12 KJV
(9) And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant.
(10) And it waxed great, to the host of heaven; and it cast down of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
(11) Yea, he magnified even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
(12) And an host was given against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
If you read this the little horn makes war against heaven so the daily in these verses is referring to the daily in the heavenly sanctuary. The Bible says that Jesus is our high priest and that there is a two apartment sanctuary in heaven. the daily deals with the forgiveness of sins. So the power that takes away the daily will claim to be able to forgive sins thereby taking the daily away from Christ to whom it belongs.
L
You seriously need to study more because that is not the only place that tells of the AOD.
Daniel 9:27 KJV
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27 KJV
(27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The daily sacrifices that were taken away was the praise of our lips as we are those sacrifices.
Romans 8:36
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Hebrews 13:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
But sadly, this has been taken away! What do we do now?
Revelation 14:9-21
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Praise is taken away!
Romans 8:36
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Hebrews 13:15
[SUP]15 [/SUP]By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
But sadly, this has been taken away! What do we do now?
Revelation 14:9-21
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Praise is taken away!
B
For your information, Dan 9:27 DOES NOT tell you WHAT the abomination is, it only tells you WHERE the abomination is. Dan 12:11 tells you WHAT it is as well as Rev 11:1-2. Since Dan 12:11 is in the OT, why are you looking for daily sacrifices being taken away in the NT when you have that right there in the OT?? You make no sense at all. I have no idea where and how you're getting all this stuff.
not long enough since you haven't seen through it.
mind you, you can wallow in it a lifetime and never see through it.
cuz just gotta get that icky DOR off the mount so.....why again?
why is that building an abomination greater than the temple God destroyed in 70AD?
or a greater abomination than....eh....i know you're bewitched by the hexagram.
have at it.
mind you, you can wallow in it a lifetime and never see through it.
cuz just gotta get that icky DOR off the mount so.....why again?
why is that building an abomination greater than the temple God destroyed in 70AD?
or a greater abomination than....eh....i know you're bewitched by the hexagram.
have at it.
well, just look for all the dispensational threads....you have much in common with them
look for replacement theology is of satan threads. you have friends there.
look for bless the jews or be cursed threads, ditto
church unforeseen, same.
two olive tree witness, not one tree...yup.
see the pattern?
look for replacement theology is of satan threads. you have friends there.
look for bless the jews or be cursed threads, ditto
church unforeseen, same.
two olive tree witness, not one tree...yup.
see the pattern?
What Dispensationalists and their cousins of whatever hybridization(s) don't understand is that it's an Eschatology that changes, undermines, and demeans the Gospel of Jesus Christ. THAT's why emotions rise, especially when it's apparent someone doesn't have a broad understanding of all the views and their implications.
"Gaps" in an Eschatological system aren't any more theologically sound that "gaps" in a Cosmogonical/Cosmological system.
"Gaps" in an Eschatological system aren't any more theologically sound that "gaps" in a Cosmogonical/Cosmological system.
L
Do you even know what abomination is?
1 Kings 11:5-7 KJV
(5) For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
(6) And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
(7) Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
1 Kings 11:5-7 KJV
(5) For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.
(6) And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.
(7) Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.
L
Yes I agree that Daniel 9 is one of the greatest prophecies in the Bible that speaks of Christ and gets replaced with something completely the opposite
Notice in the following chart that the description alternates between the city and people on the one hand and Messiah the Prince on the other:
City and People
“Restore and build Jerusalem” (457 BC)
“seven weeks”
“the street shall be built again, and the
wall, even in troublous times”
“the people of the Prince that shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
and the end thereof shall be with a flood”
Messiah the Prince
“Messiah the Prince”
“threescore and two Weeks”
“after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off”
“He [the Prince] shall confirm the
covenant with many for one week: and
in the midst of the week he shall cause
the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”
Notice in the following chart that the description alternates between the city and people on the one hand and Messiah the Prince on the other:
City and People
“Restore and build Jerusalem” (457 BC)
“seven weeks”
“the street shall be built again, and the
wall, even in troublous times”
“the people of the Prince that shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
and the end thereof shall be with a flood”
Messiah the Prince
“Messiah the Prince”
“threescore and two Weeks”
“after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off”
“He [the Prince] shall confirm the
covenant with many for one week: and
in the midst of the week he shall cause
the sacrifice and the oblation to cease”