THE ABOMINATIONS OF DESOLATION

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WHAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IN MARK 13:14?
SOMETHING TO PONDER ON.
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN EXPLAIN
WHAT MARK IS TALKING ABOUT?


WAKEUP.
 
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WHAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IN MARK 13:14?
SOMETHING TO PONDER ON.
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN EXPLAIN
WHAT MARK IS TALKING ABOUT?


WAKEUP.
The abominmation that causes desolation will be set up in 'the temple' according to Daniel

I believe the Temple is Jerusalem

The abomination of desolation is nuclear weapons, which Israel noiw has
 
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WHAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IN MARK 13:14?
SOMETHING TO PONDER ON.
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN EXPLAIN
WHAT MARK IS TALKING ABOUT?


WAKEUP.
"Know ye not that YE are the temple of God?"

Could it be? Naaaah. Everybody must be right...
 
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The abomination of desolation was the surrounding of Jerusalem by the Romans at its destruction in AD 70. God judged them.... gone!
 
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I thought that it is going to be the third temple, in which sacrifices are going to resume for a short while.
 
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Hello,
I always like looking at the scripture as a whole then trying to go a little deeper to see if it does have a more deeper message for us today.
First: Mark 13:14; "But when ye shall see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judae'-a flee to the mountains:" (KJV)

when it says: understand. That means we need to perceive. It is a promise that we will not be in confusion. He is not a God of confusion.
when it says: when ye shall see. That means we are going to see something and we will understand at that time to know what it is. But, is it seeing with physical eyes or is it spiritual? Or it could be both because the bible does have layered meanings.
In other words, there is no guess here as we will know exactly what it is that is going to be revealed to us.
We see this same verse in Matthew 24:15 and Luke 21:20)

Since Mark 13:14 tells us that it was spoken of by Daniel then we will have to go to Daniel 12:11 and Daniel 11:31 to the verses Mark was referring to.
"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days." (Daniel 12:11)
"And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." (Daniel 11:31)

Let's take a look at the word 'Abomination.' Using a James Strongs Concordence KJV(not NKJV) since I want it to match the KJV bible words I'm using and it will not cause confusion as it would if I used a different bible.
ABOMINATION is number 8251 or shiqquts (shik-koots); from 8262; disgusting, i.e. filthy; especially idolatrous or (concretely) an idol:--abominable filth (idol,-ation), detestable (thing).
8262 - a primitive root; to be filthy, i.e. (intensively) to loathe, pollute: --abhor, make abominable, have in abomination, detest, X utterly.

Something we have set up as an 'idol' and we have not recognized that idol in our lives as yet. In Ezekiel 7:4; he tells us our eyes have not been opened: Who's eyes? I believe God speaks to the church as a whole today not only on a individual base since the bible was written to both.
"And mine eye shall not spare thee, neither will I have pity: but I will recompense thy ways upon thee, and thine abominations shall be in the midst of thee: and ye shall know that I am the Lord."

Mark 13:14; "....standing where it ought not."
Ephesians 6:13; "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."
We stand because I Peter 5:8 says; "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour."
We deal in principalities (Ephesians 6:12) so the devil can place his own principles (and idols) in a place where it should not be(our thinking and heart) and that is the christian. So the bible is telling us even as a christian we are lifting something that is not good in God's eyes. I believe this is referring to doctrine.
Luke 1:15; "And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men(justify your own doctrines); but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God."
What is that idol? Here is my opinion.
God tells us if we are a christian we are the temple of God. Living stones he calls us and have the Holy Spirit in us. Do I divided myself up and cast off this heritage to give part of it to someone less deserving?
Matthew 12:24,25; "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beel'zebub the prince of the devils. (25) And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand."
What ceased but was set up again? Ezra tells us it was the command to build the temple under Darius king of Persia. Ezra 4:17-Ezra 5:17. It was built but destroyed under the Romans after the time of Christ. At that time Christ brought in a 'new temple covenant (confirmed by Daniel 9:27 and Galatians 3:17) and given a new name."
The new name says Revelation 3:12:
Romans 2:28,29; "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh. (29) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."
Galatians 6;16; " And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them and mercy, and upon the Israel of God."
If you are a christian you are a Spiritual Israelite. Why would anyone lift up a physical construct such as the nation of Israel and made them to be the idol of these last days? There's only one shepherd and one flock. Physical Israel has denied Christ for 2000 years and in I John 4:3; "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of anti-christ, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
 
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The abominmation that causes desolation will be set up in 'the temple' according to Daniel

I believe the Temple is Jerusalem

The abomination of desolation is nuclear weapons, which Israel noiw has


not exactly,you must try again,you can do it.
 
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The abominmation that causes desolation will be set up in 'the temple' according to Daniel

I believe the Temple is Jerusalem

The abomination of desolation is nuclear weapons, which Israel noiw has


not exactly, read dan. ch.12.
 
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WHAT IS THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION IN MARK 13:14?
SOMETHING TO PONDER ON.
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN EXPLAIN
WHAT MARK IS TALKING ABOUT?


WAKEUP.

here is the answer.
we all know that the false prophet is on his way, everythig is being prepared for him.
soon the one world order will be established, then he will appear with power and lying wonders.
satans power will be given to him, he will take cotnrol of the population by ordering every person
young and old to take the number ,next step is, he will gather the armies in a place called armagedon
which is about 70 km north of jeruselem. then he will push south in to jerusalem.
and push south again to egypt.he will destroy the dome of the rock,and build his temple there,and sit
in the temple to be worshipped as god. this temple that he has build ought not to be there.
that temple is the abomination of desolation.but he is only given 3.5yrs then he will be destroyed
by the coming of christ. now the jewish people has been waiting a long time for this new temple
this is a dream come true. and i forgot to mention that israel had made a secret agreement(covenant)
with te west.read isiah28:15. since the dome is destroyed ,the medes now iran, and his allies will stand
up and push west. this will be the war of all wars.so, the abomination of desolation is the new temple
of the false prophet.

wakeup.
 
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here is the answer.
we all know that the false prophet is on his way, everythig is being prepared for him.
soon the one world order will be established, then he will appear with power and lying wonders.
satans power will be given to him, he will take cotnrol of the population by ordering every person
young and old to take the number ,next step is, he will gather the armies in a place called armagedon
which is about 70 km north of jeruselem. then he will push south in to jerusalem.
and push south again to egypt.he will destroy the dome of the rock,and build his temple there,and sit
in the temple to be worshipped as god. this temple that he has build ought not to be there.
that temple is the abomination of desolation.but he is only given 3.5yrs then he will be destroyed
by the coming of christ. now the jewish people has been waiting a long time for this new temple
this is a dream come true. and i forgot to mention that israel had made a secret agreement(covenant)
with te west.read isiah28:15. since the dome is destroyed ,the medes now iran, and his allies will stand
up and push west. this will be the war of all wars.so, the abomination of desolation is the new temple
of the false prophet.

wakeup.
Sorry. Wrong answer. try again.
 
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Been there. Get that PM from me?
 
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here is the answer.
Interesting you suggest you have THE answer after 2,000 years of Christian era history.

we all know that the false prophet is on his way, everythig is being prepared for him.
At least that's what the followers of John Nelson Darby's 19th century futurist/dispensationalist approach to bible prophecy believe.
It's really quite stunning when we consider that 1.5 billion people, 1/4 of mankind, follow the false prophet Muhammad and are taught that to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even pray in Jesus' name, would be to commit the ONLY unforgivable sin. As opposed to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder, which may be forgiven.
UNFORGIVABLE SIN OF SHIRK
The same 1/4 of mankind is commanded by the false prophet Muhammad to conquer all kingdoms, and subjugate all people, to DISbelieving the crucifixion of Christ, DENYING the Son of God, and REJECTING His shed blood AS ARTICLES OF FAITH in the false prophet Muhammad alone. Commanded to prostrate toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, while praying in the vain repetitions of the heathen", in the names of the Arabian pagan deity "Allah" and his "messenger" Muhammad.

Regarding the abomination of desolation in futurism:
Futurism and Dispensationalism

Regarding the abomination of desolation in partial preterism:
Partial Preterism

Because of those pop-approaches to bible prophecy, a near unanimity of the church is necessarily precluded from even considering, that Muhammad could be THE false prophet, and even precluded from even considering nearly 2,000 years of Christian era history as having any role in prophecy.
However THE false prophet Muhammad is easily recognized through the traditional historicist approach, and even confirmed mathematically, through 1400 years of Islamic history, and particularly present day reality.
MATHEMATICAL PRECISION OF PROPHECY

Here is the state of things in John Darby's "Revived Roman Empire" today:

"Muslims in Europe are increasingly converting empty Christian churches into mosques.
The proliferation of mosques housed in former churches reflects the rise of Islam as the fastest growing religion in post-Christian Europe."

"As Islam replaces Christianity as the dominant religion in Europe, more and more churches are set to become mosques, which increasingly serve not only as religious institutions but also function as the foundational political building blocks for the establishment of separate, parallel Muslim communities in Europe that are based on Islamic Sharia law."

"In addition to Roman Catholic churches, some Protestant churches have also been converted into mosques in Germany, where the Muslim population has jumped from around 50,000 in the early 1980s to more than 4 million today.
In Germany as a whole, more than 400 Roman Catholic churches and more than 100 Protestant churches have been closed since 2000, according to one estimate. Another 700 Roman Catholic churches are slated to be closed over the next several years."

"Overall, at least 10,000 churches have been closed in Britain since 1960, including 8,000 Methodist churches and 1,700 Anglican churches. Another 4,000 churches are set to be closed by 2020, according to Christian Research, an organization that tracks religious trends in Britain.
By contrast, there are now more than 1,700 official mosques in Britain, many converted from former churches."
Falling Away or Apostasy

But through an ethnographic hermeneutic, John's "whole world" has already been marked by the name of the Islamic "beast":
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/61666-mark-beast-4.html#post994876

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast {Islam - Muslim}, or the number {666} of his name.

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The AOD occurs just before the trubulation commences. God will never allow a third temple to be built by anyone.
 
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The AOD occurs just before the trubulation commences.
That's an interesting view, since THE tribulation began before John's pen in the first century. (quoting the NKJV as it includes the definite article "THE" from the Koine Greek)
Rev 1:9 I, John, both* your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

God will never allow a third temple to be built by anyone.
I don't know if we can say God would never allow it, since He allowed a temple to Jupiter to be built on the temple mount. But since there has only ever been one temple of God ever since Jesus built it in 3 days, through His crucifixion, death and resurrection, I think it is safe to say that any future temple could never be sanctified in the first place, so it couldn't then be desolated. It would remain desolate from the time the first stone was laid.
Futurism and Dispensationalism

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. 20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? 21 But he spake of the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

The disciples remembered and believed. It's a shame so much of the church is unable to.
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1 Corinthians 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.
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If everybody agrees that the Dome of the Rock (DOTR) is indeed the A of D, then we need to know where this event is in the timeline. We know the DOTR was built in the area around 690 AD. I think it was completed in 691. Since that is where the DOTR is in the timeline, where is it in relation to the prophecy timeline? One such event is the 70th week. There it says it is in the middle of the week. Therefore, if there is no questions that the DOTR is the A of D, then the middle of the 70th week is 688 - 691 AD. No 7 year futuristic tribulation period.

Also, for all you 7 year tribulationist followers. I would like you to prove to me AND show me evidence of how this short period of time (7 yr trib) is going to unfold. I don't want Scripture this or Scripture that. I want historical facts! What? You got no evidence? I wonder why? Because it hasn't happened yet and you insist it will based on no evidence. We show you historical evidence that you can see yet you throw all that into the trash and follow something that doesn't even exist. Even if the 7 yr tribulation will soon exist, you won't know anything about it anyway until it's over. Dan 12:1-9 clearly states that. The Time of trouble (great tribulation) will be a mystery until the time of the end (end times v 4 and 9) and the Jews are once again in control of Israel. (v 5-7).
 
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The abomination of desolation was the surrounding of Jerusalem by the Romans at its destruction in AD 70. God judged them.... gone!
Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in (Nov.) 66 AD, at the beginning of the revolt. Roman commander Cestius Gallus undermined the wall under the Temple -- and then suddenly retreated "without any reason in this world" according to Josephus (Jewish War 2.19).

That fulfilled the Prophesy of Jesus, "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies" (Luke 21). The retreat of Cestius Gallus buoyed the hopes of all the other (militant) Messianic Jews. But, from Christians' perspective, all of them were following false Messiahs, e.g. Simon Gioras and Eleazar ben Jair. So, unless Christians were acting anti-Christianly, then instead of staying in Jerusalem proclaiming victory, they would have fled from the city.

According to Josephus, "many of the most eminent swam away from Jerusalem as from a sinking ship". The Abomination of Desolation occurred in (Nov.) 66 AD, when Jewish militants sallied forth from Jerusalem, on a Sabbath, during a Festival, and murdered over 500 Roman soldiers, and then, with blood on their hands, fled back to the temple, as the Roman army approached. The temple was defiled in (Nov.) 66 AD, when Jews, proclaiming a false Messiah (Simon Gioras), entered the temple with blood on their hands. When a false Messiah was proclaimed in the temple of Jerusalem, in (Nov.) 66 AD, then it was defiled, and then soon was demolished, by Vespasian.
 
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Jerusalem was surrounded by armies in (Nov.) 66 AD, at the beginning of the revolt. Roman commander Cestius Gallus undermined the wall under the Temple -- and then suddenly retreated "without any reason in this world" according to Josephus (Jewish War 2.19).

That fulfilled the Prophesy of Jesus, "when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies" (Luke 21). The retreat of Cestius Gallus buoyed the hopes of all the other (militant) Messianic Jews. But, from Christians' perspective, all of them were following false Messiahs, e.g. Simon Gioras and Eleazar ben Jair. So, unless Christians were acting anti-Christianly, then instead of staying in Jerusalem proclaiming victory, they would have fled from the city.

According to Josephus, "many of the most eminent swam away from Jerusalem as from a sinking ship". The Abomination of Desolation occurred in (Nov.) 66 AD, when Jewish militants sallied forth from Jerusalem, on a Sabbath, during a Festival, and murdered over 500 Roman soldiers, and then, with blood on their hands, fled back to the temple, as the Roman army approached. The temple was defiled in (Nov.) 66 AD, when Jews, proclaiming a false Messiah (Simon Gioras), entered the temple with blood on their hands. When a false Messiah was proclaimed in the temple of Jerusalem, in (Nov.) 66 AD, then it was defiled, and then soon was demolished, by Vespasian.
No. Not at all. Matt 24:15, mark 13:14 and Luke 21:20 are the same exact event! It is NOT talking about 70 AD temple destruction. Matt 24:2, Mark 13:2, and Luke 21:6 talk about that event. The passages in all three books are chronological. Jesus is saying this will happen first, then this is next and so on. So, you are forcing Scripture to meet your demands.

Jesus said to refer to Daniel for the abomination of desolation. There is only one verse that will lead you to that answer. Dan 12:11. When were the daily sacrifices taken away? In the NT? Hardly. We don't live under that law anymore. That's OT laws. Short reason here, In 583 BC about 25 years into the 70 year captivity, there was nobody left to do the sacrifices. They were all imprisoned in Babylon. 1290 days shows absolutely nothing. How about day/years? 1290 years? Since we're going from the old calender of 360 days per year to 365 days per year, we need to convert it. 1290 X .9857 = 1271.5 day/years. Since the Daily sacrifices were abolished in 583 BC, 1271.5 - 583 = 688.5 AD, the construction of the Dome of the Rock. When that occurred, the Jewish people fled Jerusalem. The Gentiles (in this case, Islamic empire) took over Jerusalem up until 1967 six day war.

That right there makes more sense. Yes, the last Christian temple was destroyed in 70 AD, but the Dome of the Rock still remains an abomination as long as it stands fulfilling Bible prophecy for over 1300 years. We don't need another temple rebuilt that will do the very same thing the current temple is doing right now!!