The Wrecklessness of Believing that Satan is Already Bound

[Red33]

1Pt 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

*This is a NT verse for the instruction of the present church and body of Christ and correlates with that which is recorded in (Job 1:7,2:2) where Satan is seen as going to and fro and walking up and down in the earth.

In (Rev 20:2) he is the dragon, that old serpent, the devil and Satan.

In (Lk 10:18) Jesus said that He beheld Satan fall as lightning from heaven, who was cast out unto the earth in (Rev 12:9). The verb 'beheld' is an imperfect tense that is unfolding with progressive results. These two verses give us a reference of a past completed act of Satan falling from heaven with a future application that progressively unfolds in the plan of God that effects time and place. There is no indication that Satan is presently bound in the bottomless pit, for that is future in (Rev 20:1-3), but rather has been been cast out and bound from his active exalted position in heaven... as an anointed cherub that covereth being set upon the holy mountain of God (Ez 28:14)... to the atmosphere above the earth (Eph 2:2) and later upon the earth (Rev 12:9).

*Satan is cast out of the atmosphere of heaven above the earth to the inhabitance of the earth in (Lk 10:18, Rev 12:9) and later is bound by a angel to the bottomless pit in (Rev 20:1-3). The angel came down from heaven (locative - Rev 20:1) to bind and chain the Devil that was upon the earth (locative), who had previously ruled from the air and atmosphere above it (Eph 2:2). Satan had to be cast upon the earth so that he could later be bound by the angel which is all future because the revelation and vision given to John in (Rev 20) was future and this was written some (95 years) after the ascension of Christ. There is an angelic conflict (Jude 1:9, Dan 10) that has and is taking place in the atmosphere and Satan has to be brought low and spoiled from his reigning position in the atmosphere in order to be bound and chained in the bottomless pit.

*When Jesus Christ ascended into heaven, He spoiled the principalities and powers, meaning that He stripped them off his body as He was ascending and made an example (open shew) of them as He triumphed over them and went right through their clutching grasp (Col 2:15).

To believe at present that Satan has been bound and chained to the bottomless pit (Rev 20:3), is to distort the scriptures by dislocating them from their arranged position. Those scriptures that provide the church with instructions concerning the present activity of the dragon, that old serpent, the devil and Satan would be obsolete and we would have no need to put on the whole armour of God that we might be able to stand against the wiles of the devil (Eph 6:11). 'wiles of the devil' are those deceitful, cunning and crafty tricks of the devil.

Eph 6:10-18
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

*If Satan (the Devil) is bound at present, having no authority of power here on the earth, then we, as members of God's church and body, have no need to be concerned or to practice putting on the whole armour of God. Why is the above passage present in the scriptures to instruct believers that make up the church after the ascension of Christ, if Satan is bound and chained in the bottomless pit already? Here are others passages that relate to Satan being active in the NT church...

Acts 5:3, 26:18, 1Cor 5:5, 7:5, 2Cor 2:11, 4:4, 11:14, 12:7, Eph 4:27, 1Thes 2:18, 1Tim 1:20

So whoever believes that Satan has already been bound, also believes that we are in the 1,000 reign of Christ on earth. Those that believe in this manner are out of joint with the order of events that take place concerning the revelation and vision that was given to John when on the Isle of Patmos (Rev 1:9).

 

[dmdave17]

It would seem to me that anyone who watches the news would know without a doubt that Satan is not already bound.

 

[Slepsog4]

If one would read the statements in Revelation about the binding of Satan he should notice the LIMITS of that binding. He has not been able to control an empire like Rome to bring about persecution against the saved. His binding was about the deceiving of nations. This was for a limited time. He would then be released from that binding for a little time.

 

[zone]

It would seem to me that anyone who watches the news would know without a doubt that Satan is not already bound.

hi Dave: this post isn't directed at you, it's just a continuation of the struggle against Darby & Scofield's Dispensational Disaster.

DOES THE BIBLE SAY SATAN IS 'BOUND'? (not what we THINK that looks like)


Isaiah 49:24
Can plunder be taken from warriors, or captives rescued from the fierce?

Isaiah 49:25
But this is what the LORD says: "Yes, captives will be taken from warriors, and plunder retrieved from the fierce; I will contend with those who contend with you, and your children I will save.

Mark 3:27
In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house.

Matthew 12:28-29
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

Revelation 20
The Thousand Years
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pita and a great chain. 2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth--Gog and Magog--to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

2 Thessalonians 2
6And you know what is restraining him NOW so that he may be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.

~

did Paul say in 2 Thessalonians satan was restrained at the time he wrote the letter?
or did he say satan was running around loose until after the Second Advent?

did Jesus say in Matthew His Kingdom HAD COME, or was yet to come?

if His Kingdom HAD COME, the 70th Week of Daniel was fulfilled.

if the 70th weeks were fulfilled, there's no allowance for, nor no remaining 7 year timetable severed from Daniel in which the jews "get right with God" under the Mosaic System (not to mention 1,000 years!) << scoffer's fable << the lie.

Psalm 90:4
For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night.

2 Peter 3:28
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

in context, what is Peter (apostle to the circumcision) talking about?

2 Peter 3
1This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved. In both of them I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of reminder, 2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

Acts 13
40 Beware, therefore, lest what is said in the Prophets should come about:

41 “‘Look, you scoffers,
be astounded and perish;
for I am doing a work in your days,
a work that you will not believe, even if one tells it to you.’”

42As they went out, the people begged that these things might be told them the next Sabbath. 43 And after the meeting of the synagogue broke up, many Jews and devout converts to Judaism followed Paul and Barnabas, who, as they spoke with them, urged them to continue in the grace of God.
44The next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and began to contradict what was spoken by Paul, reviling him.

Acts 17:31
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the dead."

Revelation 20 is a parenthetical chapter....the term "a thousand years" is a SYMBOLIC NUMBER meaning the full term of the Messianic Kingdom period (did the Kingdom come with Jesus - Matthew 12?).

just look at the symbols in this verse!

Revelation 20
The Thousand Years
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pita and a great chain. 2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.

does the angel have a literal key and chain?
does he take hold of a literal dragon?
does he take hold of a literal serpent?
does the term "a thousand years" have to be literal? - does it say it comes AFTER THE SECOND ADVENT?

 

[Necto]

Zone you mislead the doctrine of all around! God perfectly knows that such year and that such one thousand years. God has shown to John a reality of that that will occur in the future. You have moved the future to the present. You search for signs of the come Kingdom in the Writing, but do not wish to look around. Signs of the come Kingdom of the Christ on the earth still are not present! Yes, the Christ has come and has told: the Kingdom of heaven has come nearer. Further, It has sat in heavens. But it that we had possibility to enter into it! Here where we should hurry up to enter! The Christ has told that MANY will try to enter but cannot and you tell that the Kingdom among us, here. It turns out that we have appeared in the Kingdom automatically! So, we should distinguish an input in the Kingdom of heaven and arrival of this Kingdom to the Earth!

 

[Scotth1960]

1Pt 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

*This is a NT verse for the instruction of the present church and body of Christ and correlates with that which is recorded in (Job 1:7,2:2) where Satan is seen as going to and fro and walking up and down in the earth.

In (Rev 20:2) he is the dragon, that old serpent, the devil and Satan.

In (Lk 10:18) Jesus said that He beheld Satan fall as lightning from heaven, who was cast out unto the earth in (Rev 12:9). The verb 'beheld' is an imperfect tense that is unfolding with progressive results. These two verses give us a reference of a past completed act of Satan falling from heaven with a future application that progressively unfolds in the plan of God that effects time and place. There is no indication that Satan is presently bound in the bottomless pit, for that is future in (Rev 20:1-3), but rather has been been cast out and bound from his active exalted position in heaven... as an anointed cherub that covereth being set upon the holy mountain of God (Ez 28:14)... to the atmosphere above the earth (Eph 2:2) and later upon the earth (Rev 12:9).

*Satan is cast out of the atmosphere of heaven above the earth to the inhabitance of the earth in (Lk 10:18, Rev 12:9) and later is bound by a angel to the bottomless pit in (Rev 20:1-3). The angel came down from heaven (locative - Rev 20:1) to bind and chain the Devil that was upon the earth (locative), who had previously ruled from the air and atmosphere above it (Eph 2:2). Satan had to be cast upon the earth so that he could later be bound by the angel which is all future because the revelation and vision given to John in (Rev 20) was future and this was written some (95 years) after the ascension of Christ. There is an angelic conflict (Jude 1:9, Dan 10) that has and is taking place in the atmosphere and Satan has to be brought low and spoiled from his reigning position in the atmosphere in order to be bound and chained in the bottomless pit.

*When Jesus Christ ascended into heaven, He spoiled the principalities and powers, meaning that He stripped them off his body as He was ascending and made an example (open shew) of them as He triumphed over them and went right through their clutching grasp (Col 2:15).

To believe at present that Satan has been bound and chained to the bottomless pit (Rev 20:3), is to distort the scriptures by dislocating them from their arranged position. Those scriptures that provide the church with instructions concerning the present activity of the dragon, that old serpent, the devil and Satan would be obsolete and we would have no need to put on the whole armour of God that we might be able to stand against the wiles of the devil (Eph 6:11). 'wiles of the devil' are those deceitful, cunning and crafty tricks of the devil.

Eph 6:10-18
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

*If Satan (the Devil) is bound at present, having no authority of power here on the earth, then we, as members of God's church and body, have no need to be concerned or to practice putting on the whole armour of God. Why is the above passage present in the scriptures to instruct believers that make up the church after the ascension of Christ, if Satan is bound and chained in the bottomless pit already? Here are others passages that relate to Satan being active in the NT church...

Acts 5:3, 26:18, 1Cor 5:5, 7:5, 2Cor 2:11, 4:4, 11:14, 12:7, Eph 4:27, 1Thes 2:18, 1Tim 1:20

So whoever believes that Satan has already been bound, also believes that we are in the 1,000 reign of Christ on earth. Those that believe in this manner are out of joint with the order of events that take place concerning the revelation and vision that was given to John when on the Isle of Patmos (Rev 1:9).

Dear friends, Remember that God is omnipotent (all powerful), omniscient (all-knowing), holy (all good), and merciful (saving), and infinite. On the other hand, satan is finite and evil, all evil. But his wickedness is finite, and not all powerful. Therefore, God gains victory over the devil all the time, and saves people. God can conquer the devil at any time, and some day, He will. Read Revelation. It says God wins in the end. The devil will be put away, and destroyed forever. This is good news for repentant sinners. These are the saints who overcame their sins by the blood of the lamb of God, Jesus Christ. Christ gives victory to His Church (Matt. 16:18) and saves those in it by His mercy (Titus 3). He calls people into His Church, His Body (1 Tim. 3:15). In Erie PA Scott Harrington
PS May God have mercy on us, delivering us from the evil one. Lord have mercy on us; Amen.

 

[zone]

Zone you mislead the doctrine of all around! God perfectly knows that such year and that such one thousand years. God has shown to John a reality of that that will occur in the future. You have moved the future to the present. You search for signs of the come Kingdom in the Writing, but do not wish to look around. Signs of the come Kingdom of the Christ on the earth still are not present! Yes, the Christ has come and has told: the Kingdom of heaven has come nearer. Further, It has sat in heavens. But it that we had possibility to enter into it! Here where we should hurry up to enter! The Christ has told that MANY will try to enter but cannot and you tell that the Kingdom among us, here. It turns out that we have appeared in the Kingdom automatically! So, we should distinguish an input in the Kingdom of heaven and arrival of this Kingdom to the Earth!

how did you receive eternal life through faith in Christ Jesus if His Kingdom hasn't begun?
if His Kingdom hasn't begun you are still in your sins.

Revelation 1:9
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.

Revelation 1:6
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Jeremiah 23:5
"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

Isaiah 33:22
For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us.

Psalm 110:1
Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.

Psalm 149:2
Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; let the people of Zion be glad in their King

Daniel 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Daniel 2:38
As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.

Matthew 2:2
and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

Matthew 21:5
"Say to the Daughter of Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey."

John 12:15
"Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."

Daniel 9:24-27
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

~ if Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled by Jesus, He brought in everlasting righteousness at the first Advent, and his Kingdom has begun.

~ if Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled by Jesus, the foundation for a literal 1,000 year earth reign is FALLEN.

 

[LaraHugs]

I don't have anything to add. It's just that it was 666 so I had to add a reply to make it 766

 

[zone]

Zone you mislead the doctrine of all around! God perfectly knows that such year and that such one thousand years. God has shown to John a reality of that that will occur in the future. You have moved the future to the present. You search for signs of the come Kingdom in the Writing, but do not wish to look around. Signs of the come Kingdom of the Christ on the earth still are not present! Yes, the Christ has come and has told: the Kingdom of heaven has come nearer. Further, It has sat in heavens. But it that we had possibility to enter into it! Here where we should hurry up to enter! The Christ has told that MANY will try to enter but cannot and you tell that the Kingdom among us, here. It turns out that we have appeared in the Kingdom automatically! So, we should distinguish an input in the Kingdom of heaven and arrival of this Kingdom to the Earth!

Daniel 2:34
"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

Luke 17:20-21
The Coming of the Kingdom
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

Matthew 12:28-29
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

 

[Necto]

Zone, God has opened the Kingdom for us but has not brought it to all Earth! Really you of it do not see? A kingdom which now on the Earth is a shame instead of glory of God! You do not know to that learn. In your numerous comments the human logic successfully constructed on fragments of the Writing is visible. You build a logic chain is there are human representations. But God has rejected human wisdom because human wisdom is madness. But you give out it for the Divine doctrine and you apply for revelation. But God did not give you it! It not your Writing, and give it back to God is better.

 

[zone]

Zone, God has opened the Kingdom for us but has not brought it to all Earth! Really you of it do not see? A kingdom which now on the Earth is a shame instead of glory of God! You do not know to that learn. In your numerous comments the human logic successfully constructed on fragments of the Writing is visible. You build a logic chain is there are human representations. But God has rejected human wisdom because human wisdom is madness. But you give out it for the Divine doctrine and you apply for revelation. But God did not give you it! It not your Writing, and give it back to God is better.

hi necto.
here are two simple passages (again): did Jesus Christ say in His Own words nearly 2,000 years ago that The Kingdom of God had come?

there are only two choices: yes or no.

Luke 17:20-21
The Coming of the Kingdom
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, &#8220;The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, nor will they say, &#8216;Look, here it is!&#8217; or &#8216;There!&#8217; for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.&#8221;

Matthew 12:28-29
But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can someone enter a strong man&#8217;s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

in both passages Jesus is referring to Himself. when he acended, did he then STOP the Kingdom, or take it away?

when He was rejected, did God have to stop the Kingdom? go to PLAN B? Scripture says over and over again when the Kingdom is established, it is establsihed forever.

Matthew 21:43
Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits.

 

[zone]

Zone, God has opened the Kingdom for us but has not brought it to all Earth! Really you of it do not see? A kingdom which now on the Earth is a shame instead of glory of God!

really?
people being saved from their sins and saved from Judgment, transferred daily to His Eternal Kingdom is not GLORY FOR GOD?

Jesus was mocked, tortured, ridiculed, rejected and murdered.

God MADE HIM TO BE SIN, though He knew none...He bore the full cup of wrath for us.

those things happened on earth - did those things bring God Glory?

 

[Devolution]

how did you receive eternal life through faith in Christ Jesus if His Kingdom hasn't begun?
By His PROMISE...I go to prepare a place for YOU...(AFTER His resurrection)..and WHEN I RETURN....(2nd coming)...there you will be with ME.
if His Kingdom hasn't begun you are still in your sins.
Error. The Kingdom is WITHIN us. All We AWAIT is His "to be established kingdom" is all. Right now we have an essence of that spiritual kingdom within us. His Holy Spirit. We are temples remember. This is why the comforter was given...to comfort us while we WAIT.
Revelation 1:9
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
Error. Is there suffering in Christs kingdom now? Of course not !! But if we all have a piece of that kingdom WITHIN us...AWAITING His return...awaiting IN this world..then logically, of course there will be suffering...IN THIS WORLD,UNTIL He returns and reigns...and us with Him where NO MORE TEARS or SUFFERING is present.
Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Error. Forgetting something are we? Rev 1:10... I was in the SPIRIT on the LORDS DAY.....FUTURE...John was shown a vision of the FUTURE. Simple. Sooo, that 1st resurrection is FUTURE.
1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
Yes, but you forget: and this is AFTER Christ died mind you, Hebrews 13:14 For here we have no continuing city, BUT WE SEEK ONE TO COME. So, ALL Christians are awaiting their homeland WHEN Christ returns. So whose kingdom are you actually preaching?
Revelation 1:6
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
Vision of the FUTURE...Revelations was FUTURE..you can not use it in the manner you do. It is error.
Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
Yesssss.....
Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
Yes, Jesus is King. But guess what...He was REJECTED and KILLED. So where was His rule? When He returns however, THEN He will rule the world, and no man will be able to kill Him ever again.
Jeremiah 23:5
"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.
ERROR. You are missing something important..VERSE 3 !!! What you quote happens AFTER God gathers the Jews OUT of ALL NATIONS. DID this happen when Jesus came to Israel? Of course not, the Jews were already there.
Isaiah 33:22
For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us.
Yesss...And NOW all who follow Christ have a means of salvation.
Psalm 110:1
Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
This is where Jesus is sitting right now. When He returns, He will be sitting on His own throne.
Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
Where is this peace? IF He is reigning NOW, WHY do the Jews still follow Moses? Is there some dual covenant at play? Will Jesus allow this? I think not. Error.
Psalm 149:2
Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; let the people of Zion be glad in their King
ALL who follow Christ rejoice for the PROMISES He made. We are comforted.
Daniel 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Error. ALL PEOPLES AND NATIONS !!! Do Moslem nations worship Him? Do Hindu nations worship Him? No of course not, so how do you explain this? this is FUTURE PROPHECY.
Daniel 2:38
As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.
Weren't YOU the one saying LEAVE the OT ALONE ? Why are you using it now? Strange. The FEET and TOES are the END of the SYSTEM of MAN and Satan. It hasn't come yet. Error.
Matthew 2:2
and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."
Jesus FIRST came as a kingly SACRIFICE. However, when He RETURNS...THEN He will REIGN.
Matthew 21:5
"Say to the Daughter of Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey."
Yes He is a King. We all know this.
John 12:15
"Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
A King that did NOT reign over the world let alone national Israel !!! He was killed remember? You do know this right? BUT when He RETURNS...THEN He will rule the WORLD for He can NOT be killed evermore.
Daniel 9:24-27
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
FULFILLED. But you read more into this than its meaning. When a man turns to Christ, the new covenant, grace and mercy are given, HERE is the way one makes an end of sin. For IF we walk in the Spirit, we DENY the flesh, and an end of sin is granted in FORGIVENESS, so long as that man CONTINUES in Christ. HERE is the END OF SIN meaning. Gods people....Gods people now have a door opened to them, and sin can be forgiven, and sin no longer PILES UP in Christs people. Those under the law of Moses however, THESE continue in sin...So where is this END of SIN YOU mention? Sin is either ENDED or it is still present. And any one can look to the world and tell you plainly..the world is FULL of SIN. So therefore, there is a problem with your interpretation. It does not match what we observe in the world.

Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

~ if Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled by Jesus, He brought in everlasting righteousness at the first Advent, and his Kingdom has begun.
Error. For the KINGDOM of GOD is WITHIN YOU. And as Hebrews tells us...WE ARE WAITING for our HOMELAND. And WHEN is that HOMELAND to be set up? Well, when Christ RETURNS of course...
~ if Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled by Jesus, the foundation for a literal 1,000 year earth reign is FALLEN.

Error. Only in YOUR interpretation. The kingdom has not yet begun officially. That happens at Christs RETURN. Oh, and since you say the millennium has begun, tell me, why are you still waiting for Him to return? For by your reckoning, He already has.

 

[wakeup]

1Pt 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour.

*This is a NT verse for the instruction of the present church and body of Christ and correlates with that which is recorded in (Job 1:7,2:2) where Satan is seen as going to and fro and walking up and down in the earth.

In (Rev 20:2) he is the dragon, that old serpent, the devil and Satan.

In (Lk 10:18) Jesus said that He beheld Satan fall as lightning from heaven, who was cast out unto the earth in (Rev 12:9). The verb 'beheld' is an imperfect tense that is unfolding with progressive results. These two verses give us a reference of a past completed act of Satan falling from heaven with a future application that progressively unfolds in the plan of God that effects time and place. There is no indication that Satan is presently bound in the bottomless pit, for that is future in (Rev 20:1-3), but rather has been been cast out and bound from his active exalted position in heaven... as an anointed cherub that covereth being set upon the holy mountain of God (Ez 28:14)... to the atmosphere above the earth (Eph 2:2) and later upon the earth (Rev 12:9).

*Satan is cast out of the atmosphere of heaven above the earth to the inhabitance of the earth in (Lk 10:18, Rev 12:9) and later is bound by a angel to the bottomless pit in (Rev 20:1-3). The angel came down from heaven (locative - Rev 20:1) to bind and chain the Devil that was upon the earth (locative), who had previously ruled from the air and atmosphere above it (Eph 2:2). Satan had to be cast upon the earth so that he could later be bound by the angel which is all future because the revelation and vision given to John in (Rev 20) was future and this was written some (95 years) after the ascension of Christ. There is an angelic conflict (Jude 1:9, Dan 10) that has and is taking place in the atmosphere and Satan has to be brought low and spoiled from his reigning position in the atmosphere in order to be bound and chained in the bottomless pit.

*When Jesus Christ ascended into heaven, He spoiled the principalities and powers, meaning that He stripped them off his body as He was ascending and made an example (open shew) of them as He triumphed over them and went right through their clutching grasp (Col 2:15).

To believe at present that Satan has been bound and chained to the bottomless pit (Rev 20:3), is to distort the scriptures by dislocating them from their arranged position. Those scriptures that provide the church with instructions concerning the present activity of the dragon, that old serpent, the devil and Satan would be obsolete and we would have no need to put on the whole armour of God that we might be able to stand against the wiles of the devil (Eph 6:11). 'wiles of the devil' are those deceitful, cunning and crafty tricks of the devil.

Eph 6:10-18
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

*If Satan (the Devil) is bound at present, having no authority of power here on the earth, then we, as members of God's church and body, have no need to be concerned or to practice putting on the whole armour of God. Why is the above passage present in the scriptures to instruct believers that make up the church after the ascension of Christ, if Satan is bound and chained in the bottomless pit already? Here are others passages that relate to Satan being active in the NT church...

Acts 5:3, 26:18, 1Cor 5:5, 7:5, 2Cor 2:11, 4:4, 11:14, 12:7, Eph 4:27, 1Thes 2:18, 1Tim 1:20

So whoever believes that Satan has already been bound, also believes that we are in the 1,000 reign of Christ on earth. Those that believe in this manner are out of joint with the order of events that take place concerning the revelation and vision that was given to John when on the Isle of Patmos (Rev 1:9).

GOOD SCRIBTURES, I HAVE ADDED A COUPLE MORE.
2corint.11:13--15. for such are false apostles,deceitful workers ,transforming them selves into the
apostle of christ 14. and no marvel : for satan him self is transformed into an angel of light.
15. therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also, be transformed as the ministers of righteouss:
whose end shall be according to their works.

IS SATAN LOCKED UP?? OFCOURS NOT HE IS ALIVE AND WORKING OVERTIME.
WAKEUP

 

[Necto]

You always displace accent of a question about which to you speak? I did not speak to you about that that there is no Kingdom, whether not so? It is a question not of that there is a God's Kingdom or not! It is a question of distribution, about expansion! The Kingdom exists first of all for us, in other part of the Earth the devil reigns! If I have a two-room apartment that I do not speak that at me it is not present!
Simply I wish to have the three-room one! It is a question of the size. Yes, the Christ reigns But DID NOT go down YET TO the Earth for an establishment of a thousand-year Kingdom ON the Earth! If the Christ reigned on the Earth that all people could see It. Besides the Christ would carry out DIRECT BOARD over all territories and there would be no such brothel and lawlessness around! Christ will reign along with the winners for the thousand years on the Earth.
So without knowing all subtleties of this question you you learn heresies and you mislead the people of God.
Necto from Russia .

 

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how did you receive eternal life through faith in Christ Jesus if His Kingdom hasn't begun?
By His PROMISE...I go to prepare a place for YOU...(AFTER His resurrection)..and WHEN I RETURN....(2nd coming)...there you will be with ME.

my questions weren't directed to you. but anyways....your "answer" says nothing about Jesus NOT being King NOW. apparently you're not grasping the Messianic portion of His everlasting kingdom.

if His Kingdom hasn't begun you are still in your sins.
Error. The Kingdom is WITHIN us. All We AWAIT is His "to be established kingdom" is all. Right now we have an essence of that spiritual kingdom within us. His Holy Spirit. We are temples remember. This is why the comforter was given...to comfort us while we WAIT.

oh my the Kingdom is within us? as in, the indwelling Holy Spirit? or do you have a specific Scripture you are thinking of...

using your definition that the Kingdom within us, and we're on earth, that confirms that the Kingdom is on earth inside the saints.

but again: is there a specfic verse you had in mind to make your odd distiction?

"His 'to be established kingdom'"? ...oh...i forgot: you don't believe Daniel's 70 weeks were Fulfilled by Jesus at His First Advent, so that's why you believe His kingdom was not begun (established) back then.

only problem with that is, if He didn't fufill the 70 weeks, you don't have the kingdom of God "within you", you have no Messiah, and are still waiting for him.

the portion of the Kingdom we await at The Consummation is the Eternal Kingdom.

according to your theory Jesus is not on His Throne as King. what's He doing right now, exactly?

Revelation 1:9
I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
Error. Is there suffering in Christs kingdom now? Of course not !! But if we all have a piece of that kingdom WITHIN us...AWAITING His return...awaiting IN this world..then logically, of course there will be suffering...IN THIS WORLD,UNTIL He returns and reigns...and us with Him where NO MORE TEARS or SUFFERING is present.

john contradicted you. do you know more than he? he said he was in the kingdom. and that he was a partaker in both the suffering (onbviously since he has received his inheritence ALREADY/NOT YET as he was still on earth.

do you attach your "ERROR" prefix to john's message? "I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus"

"a piece of that Kingdom now"? please show me Scriputre (as i have provided) which says we have a "piece of the Kingdom now".

is Jesus returning in the Consummation to "establish" His Eternal Kingdom (which we are already part of) on this old earth that is passing away and will be utterly burned up and melt? how does that work in your theory?

the tears are wiped away in the New Creation - Eternity, after the Consummation including Judgment.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.
Error. Forgetting something are we? Rev 1:10... I was in the SPIRIT on the LORDS DAY.....FUTURE...John was shown a vision of the FUTURE. Simple. Sooo, that 1st resurrection is FUTURE.

perhaps you need to study a little more devo. why is there a FIRST resurrection?

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
Yes, but you forget: and this is AFTER Christ died mind you, Hebrews 13:14 For here we have no continuing city, BUT WE SEEK ONE TO COME. So, ALL Christians are awaiting their homeland WHEN Christ returns. So whose kingdom are you actually preaching?

the continuing city referred to is New Jerusalem. that is our reward, and our inheritence, and Jesus brings it with Him (unless we die before that)

did Jesus fulfill all 70 weeks? what is The Stone that smashed the metal-man image in Daniel? when did that happen?

Revelation 1:6
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
Vision of the FUTURE...Revelations was FUTURE..you can not use it in the manner you do. It is error.

everything is Revelation is future?? rotflmho! oh devo...you're funny.

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation is he, humble and mounted on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.
Yes, Jesus is King. But guess what...He was REJECTED and KILLED. So where was His rule? When He returns however, THEN He will rule the world, and no man will be able to kill Him ever again.

wow. just wow.
so, you admit Jesus IS KING.
but then you say He was rejected BY UNBELIEVING JEWS and killed.
so now He's a King, but not ruling, because Israel's apostate priests sacrificed The Lamb??
what a riot.

so Paul and all the apostles are fibbing to the jews and gentiles who did receive Him, since the unbelieving did not....He is a King but an impotent one with no Kingdom! *groan*

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Jeremiah 23:5
"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.
ERROR. You are missing something important..VERSE 3 !!! What you quote happens AFTER God gathers the Jews OUT of ALL NATIONS. DID this happen when Jesus came to Israel? Of course not, the Jews were already there.

more embarrassing misuse of Jeremiah.
your dispensationalism is showing, devo: you may want to consider having it removed (or at least covering it up).

Isaiah 33:22

For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; it is he who will save us.
Yesss...And NOW all who follow Christ have a means of salvation.

uh.....all who follow Christ now have a "means" of salvation...um....does that include the jews?

Psalm 110:1
Of David. A psalm. The LORD says to my Lord: "Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet."
This is where Jesus is sitting right now. When He returns, He will be sitting on His own throne.

where is Jesus sitting now? is He on a throne? you admitted He is King. so which throne is He on now?

and what throne will He be sitting on on this old earth? you called it His Own Throne: will it be a different throne than the one The King is now on?

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.
Where is this peace? IF He is reigning NOW, WHY do the Jews still follow Moses? Is there some dual covenant at play? Will Jesus allow this? I think not. Error.

you admitted Jesus is King now. but you have Him sitting around somewhere not doing anything. what is Jesus doing right now, Devo? do you know?

where is this peace? OH MY GOSH. there are 3 billion people on this earth who profess the Name of Christ. for the sake of argument let's say they are all saved. they have received eternal life, but have not yet realized it : ALREADY/NOT YET.

are you looking for WORLD PEACE on this old earth? GET REAL! even in your imaginary future millennium men are rebelling and making war with Him! AND THAT SUPPOSEDLY WITH A VISIBLE GLORIFIED CHRIST! what a joke.

you don't understand His spiritual Kingdom NOW on earth as the saints (some of us) proclaim the Good News and ADD TO HIS CHURCH, and that throughout Time since He Came His Kingdom was like a mustard seed that has grown (and will grow until the consummation) into a huge tree.

and you do not understand His Peace (that's evident anyways)

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

 

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Psalm 149:2
Let Israel rejoice in their Maker; let the people of Zion be glad in their King
ALL who follow Christ rejoice for the PROMISES He made. We are comforted.

which is it? is Jesus King now, or NOT?

Daniel 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
Error. ALL PEOPLES AND NATIONS !!! Do Moslem nations worship Him? Do Hindu nations worship Him? No of course not, so how do you explain this? this is FUTURE PROPHECY.

LOL! so, instead of understanding this is as an overarching description of His Eternal Kingdom where the multitudes redeemed from every nation worship Him and come into New Jerusalem, you would place this on this old earth, with the Glorified King on His Throne in old Jerusalem (which is NOT our continuing city...or...do you have New Jerusalem coming down onto the old earth which is passing away and will be destroyed with fire), and while Jesus is ON THIS OLD EARTH, Reigning VISIBLY IN HIS GLORY from NEW JERUSALEM on the old earth.....you have everybody worshipping Him....yet they still rebel, and make war against Him.

mkay...sure thing.

sounds like a SECOND EPIC FALL, worse than Adam's!!! Jesus is ruling from old Jerusalem yet mankind FALLS a second time?

Daniel 2:38

As you looked, a stone was cut out by no human hand, and it struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.
Weren't YOU the one saying LEAVE the OT ALONE ? Why are you using it now? Strange. The FEET and TOES are the END of the SYSTEM of MAN and Satan. It hasn't come yet. Error.

just to be ABSOLUTELY clear: you don't understand that The Stone that crashed into the toes and broke the metal-man happened was Jesus becoming King?

Matthew 2:2
and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."
Jesus FIRST came as a kingly SACRIFICE. However, when He RETURNS...THEN He will REIGN.

a kingly SACRIFICE?

Matthew 21:5
"Say to the Daughter of Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey."
Yes He is a King. We all know this.

He's a King without a Kingdom. He's a King who isn't reigning. wow.

John 12:15
"Do not be afraid, O Daughter of Zion; see, your king is coming, seated on a donkey's colt."
A King that did NOT reign over the world let alone national Israel !!! He was killed remember? You do know this right? BUT when He RETURNS...THEN He will rule the WORLD for He can NOT be killed evermore.

you sound like The Pharisees and unbeliving jews! they wanted their king to RULE OVER THIS OLD EARTH and OLD JERUSALEM!

ok devo...let's say your theory is true: so, we do have a King Jesus....but....He can't REALLY be a King who does anything yet because he was KILLED. Did you know Jesus Rose from the dead after 3 days devo? did you know He is Alive? and that He walked the earth AFTER HE ROSE?

if death was what stopped Him from Reigning on this old earth, why didn't He just start reigning on the 4th Day?

Daniel 9:24-27Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
FULFILLED. But you read more into this than its meaning. When a man turns to Christ, the new covenant, grace and mercy are given, HERE is the way one makes an end of sin. For IF we walk in the Spirit, we DENY the flesh, and an end of sin is granted in FORGIVENESS, so long as that man CONTINUES in Christ. HERE is the END OF SIN meaning.

what does the following say about that?

Hebrews 9:26
for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Hebrews 10:10
And that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

He either put away sin, and that Atonement is applied to THOSE WHO BELIEVE or He didn't.

and, devo: if the 70 weeks are FINISHED, what does THIS MEAN:

to finish the transgression
to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness

did he bring in everlasting righteounsess FOR ALL WHO BELIEVE, or not?

and even if we accepted your future 1,000 years, apparently it doesn't work then either, since the way you are thinking (carnally), men up and rebel and make war with a VISIBLE GLORIFIED CHRIST!

Gods people....Gods people now have a door opened to them, and sin can be forgiven, and sin no longer PILES UP in Christs people.

Those under the law of Moses however, THESE continue in sin...So where is this END of SIN YOU mention? Sin is either ENDED or it is still present. And any one can look to the world and tell you plainly..the world is FULL of SIN. So therefore, there is a problem with your interpretation. It does not match what we observe in the world.

WHAT? you agree the 70 weeks are fulfilled, yet you don't agree that also in Daniel it was said His Kingdom was established and that it is an EVERLASTING KINGDOM???

those under Moses sin because they are sinners devo. the difference is, they DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS! SO THEY ARE NOT FORGIVEN until they do. (maybe you're of the dual Covenant sect)

He made an end to sin (by bearing ours) and made reconciliation for iniquity...FOR ALL WHO RECEIVE HIM.

what must men do to be saved, devo? wait for a second flesh body in a mythical millennium?

~ if Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled by Jesus, He brought in everlasting righteousness at the first Advent, and his Kingdom has begun.

Error. For the KINGDOM of GOD is WITHIN YOU. And as Hebrews tells us...WE ARE WAITING for our HOMELAND. And WHEN is that HOMELAND to be set up? Well, when Christ RETURNS of course...

For the KINGDOM of GOD is WITHIN YOU.?

show me that please. do you mean the correct translation? which means in your midst, among you? referring to Jesus Himself in His discussions with The Pharsiees 2,000 years ago?


Luke 17:21
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

~ if Daniel's 70 weeks were fulfilled by Jesus, the foundation for a literal 1,000 year earth reign is FALLEN.

Error. Only in YOUR interpretation. The kingdom has not yet begun officially. That happens at Christs RETURN. Oh, and since you say the millennium has begun, tell me, why are you still waiting for Him to return? For by your reckoning, He already has.

John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."

why are you still waiting for Him to return? For by your reckoning, He already has.

a silly remark. but aaaannyways....

2 Thessalonians 1:10
when he comes on that day to be glorified in his saints, and to be marveled at among all who have believed, because our testimony to you was believed.

Matthew 16:27
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

Revelation 22:10
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay everyone for what he has done.

and lastly...look at the passages and tell me if Jesus says He has a Kingdom now (though it is everlasting, and continues into eternity at the consummation):


Matthew 13
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:

35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. 52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

 

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GOOD SCRIBTURES, I HAVE ADDED A COUPLE MORE.
2corint.11:13--15. for such are false apostles,deceitful workers ,transforming them selves into the
apostle of christ 14. and no marvel : for satan him self is transformed into an angel of light.
15. therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also, be transformed as the ministers of righteouss:
whose end shall be according to their works.

IS SATAN LOCKED UP?? OFCOURS NOT HE IS ALIVE AND WORKING OVERTIME.
WAKEUP

wakeup...please study what is meant by DECEIVE THE NATIONS.

the dispensationalists have men acting the same way they do now in a future millennial reign yet supposedly satan is bound then (go figger)

 

[zone]

You always displace accent of a question about which to you speak? I did not speak to you about that that there is no Kingdom, whether not so? It is a question not of that there is a God's Kingdom or not! It is a question of distribution, about expansion! The Kingdom exists first of all for us, in other part of the Earth the devil reigns! If I have a two-room apartment that I do not speak that at me it is not present!
Simply I wish to have the three-room one! It is a question of the size. Yes, the Christ reigns But DID NOT go down YET TO the Earth for an establishment of a thousand-year Kingdom ON the Earth! If the Christ reigned on the Earth that all people could see It. Besides the Christ would carry out DIRECT BOARD over all territories and there would be no such brothel and lawlessness around! Christ will reign along with the winners for the thousand years on the Earth.
So without knowing all subtleties of this question you you learn heresies and you mislead the people of God.
Necto from Russia .

ok. we admit The Kingdom is established NOW.

but you still want that 1,000 year future reign on an old earth, in a world that is PASSING AWAY.

the SIZE and PURITY happens at THE CONSUMMATION (The Second Advent, Judgment, NEW HEAVENS NEW EARTH NEW JERUSALEM)

a thousand years is a symbolic term, just like ALL the other symbolic images in that verse.

anyways....hold to your future utopia (jewish? are the gentiles gone in the rapture? or are men resurrected into 2nd flesh bodies? HUH?)...if it makes you sleep at night, go for it.

Christ will reign along with the winners for the thousand years on the Earth.

will there ultimately be "losers" at the end of your literal future 1,000 years? how does that work THEN if it can't work NOW?

 

[Devolution]

my questions weren't directed to you. but anyways....your "answer" says nothing about Jesus NOT being King NOW. apparently you're not grasping the Messianic portion of His everlasting kingdom.

oh my the Kingdom is within us? as in, the indwelling Holy Spirit? or do you have a specific Scripture you are thinking of...

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, lo here! or lo there! for, behold the KINGDOM OF GOD is WITHIN YOU

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in truth: For the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24. God is a SPIRIT and they that worship him must worship him in SPIRIT and in truth.

Phillipians 3:20
For our conversation is in heaven; from when also we look for the saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.

21. Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned unto like his glorious body according to the working whereby he is able to even to subdue all things unto himself.

Are we SPIRIT right now? or do we worship him in SPIRIT. Our conversation is in heaven (heavenly) not earthly. Does this mean we are physically in heaven now?

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His 'to be established kingdom'"? ...oh...i forgot: you don't believe Daniel's 70 weeks were Fulfilled by Jesus at His First Advent, so that's why you believe His kingdom was not begun (established) back then.

only problem with that is, if He didn't fufill the 70 weeks, you don't have the kingdom of God "within you", you have no Messiah, and are still waiting for him.

Yes, the 70 weeks were fulfilled by the destruction of the temple, however you believe that the end of sins that Christ heralded is happening now whereas what he meant was that now we have a doorway open to God through Christ and whoever follows Christ will have mercy, so the kingdom of God is now within us, but sin still exists in this world now, today. So where is your end of sin? Instead sin is escalated in the world.

the portion of the Kingdom we await at The Consummation is the Eternal Kingdom.

according to your theory Jesus is not on His Throne as King. what's He doing right now, exactly?

Do you not realise that the earth will be melted after the 1000 years? when all are spirit and spirit is not affected by the material melting of the earth.

If you want to know where Jesus is sitting?
Psalms 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou at MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE THY ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.

Do you believe through your understanding that Christ has NO ENEMIES in this world now? For when he rules it is just as it is written, HE RULES. Is Christ ruling America? Is Christ ruling Libya (muslems) Is Christ ruling Israel who follow Moses Law? Does Christ rule with 2 convenants?

john contradicted you. do you know more than he? he said he was in the kingdom. and that he was a partaker in both the suffering (onbviously since he has received his inheritence ALREADY/NOT YET as he was still on earth.

do you attach your "ERROR" prefix to john's message? "I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus"

See phillipians above. Same concept.

"a piece of that Kingdom now"? please show me Scriputre (as i have provided) which says we have a "piece of the Kingdom now".

You misunderstand, because we have that holy spirit in us, we do indeed have a piece of the kingdom inside us. For the spirit comes from the Kingdom of God.

is Jesus returning in the Consummation to "establish" His Eternal Kingdom (which we are already part of) on this old earth that is passing away and will be utterly burned up and melt? how does that work in your theory?

What you have to understand, is that the earth does not get burnt and melted until after the 1000 year reign. When all the wicked are destroyed with Satan, and all that is left have been changed to spirit, only NOW can the earth be melted, because spirit will not be affected by the fervent heat.

the tears are wiped away in the New Creation - Eternity, after the Consummation including Judgment.

Yes there will be no more tears then, no argument here.

perhaps you need to study a little more devo. why is there a FIRST resurrection?

1 Thess 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we EVER be with the Lord.

Rev 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall REIGN with HIM a THOUSAND YEARS.

So if there is a FIRST RESURRECTION then there must be a SECOND RESURRECTION
TAKE NOTE OF REV 20:11-15
Notice verse 11 is the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT, Notice it is AFTER the first judgement. Notice verse 14 describes these events as the 2nd DEATH. The 2nd death being the 2nd judgement.

the continuing city referred to is New Jerusalem. that is our reward, and our inheritence, and Jesus brings it with Him (unless we die before that)

We do not see New Jerusalem in the World today. What we see is the continuation of the old way (moses covenant) is not New Jerusalem ruled under the new covenant (Christs) ? So how can it be New Jerusalem now.

The New Jerusalem is after the 1000 years. Rev 21:2
And I John saw the HOLY CITY NEW JERUSALEM coming down from GOD out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

So we see that God is sending New Jerusalem down to earth to meet the groom who is already here, reigning. After 1000 years is when the City comes because then Christ will hand back to God.

what is The Stone that smashed the metal-man image in Daniel? when did that happen?

That stone that was cut out of a mountain in heaven (Gods kingdom in heaven) was hurled at the feet, being the last empire of mans rule and it is DURING the days of THESE KINGS will Jesus come to set up his kingdom which will never be destroyed.

everything is Revelation is future?? rotflmho! oh devo...you're funny.

LOL ok ok. I stand corrected. It was future for them then, but some of it is past for us now.

wow. just wow.
so, you admit Jesus IS KING.
but then you say He was rejected BY UNBELIEVING JEWS and killed.
so now He's a King, but not ruling, because Israel's apostate priests sacrificed The Lamb??
what a riot.

Yes He is King. History tells us he was rejected and killed. Ever heard of the crucifixion story? He will rule at his coming.
Matthew 25:31
When the son of man shall come in his glory and all the holy angels with him, THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.

Here is a treat for you Zone which matches Matthew
Ezekiel 21:25-27
And thou, profane wicked prince of Israel, whose DAY IS COME when iniquity shall have an end.

26. Thus says the Lord God, remove the diadem, and take off the crown, this shall not be the same, exalt him that is low, and abase him that is high

27. I will overturn, overturn, overturn it. And it shall be NO MORE, UNTIL HE come whose right it is and i will give it Him.

1st overturn - Assyria
2nd overturn - Babylon
3rd overturn - coming (FP)

This is concerning Israel being conquered. But it is also a prophecy concerning Babylon The Great. WW1, WW2 & WW3 coming.