seven eyes or seven spirits

[NoahsDad]

Ive noticed in my studies some passages referring to seven eyes or seven spirits of God.
Zec 4:10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
2Ch 16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him. Herein thou hast done foolishly: therefore from henceforth thou shalt have wars.
What Are these eyes and what do they represent?
As in All bible studies the pareminers to this thread are to be limited to biblical references and not oppinion.Cuz Gods word isnt confusion ,So to limit the confusion we should stick to those rules.
Holla dig!

 

[NoahsDad]

Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
candle sticks and lamps...the same?hmmmmmm
Zec 4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep,
Zec 4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
I see lamps again.
here is the interpretation of the vision
Zec 4:4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
Zec 4:5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
Zec 4:7 Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it.
Zec 4:8 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Zec 4:9 The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto you.
Zec 4:10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
I see they Still appear to be the same as candle sticks.
So could hese 7 lamps and pipes be offices or duities of the 7 churches mentioned in Revelation ?because in the interpretation of the 7 stars and 7 candlesticks in rev1:20 The candlesticks are the churches the stars are the charges over the church or the angels.

 

[NoahsDad]

The seven spirits are before His throne, that is, they have immediate and full access to God the Father who sits on the Throne (rev 1:4). This indicates that whatever the spirits discern is fully known by the Father. This speaks of the access and service which the Holy Spirit has to the Father within the Godhead

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Php 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

 

[NoahsDad]

Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Co 12:10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
Could This be the interpretation of the verse in Zechariah?

 

[NoahsDad]

Look at the sentence that sais."not by might nor by power,But by my spirit sayeth the Lord" to Zerubabel then look at what God says to Paul...The same thing.
My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of

Christ may rest upon me.

 

[NoahsDad]

Not sayin that Paul is Zerubabel but saying that the verse has came to pass By Jesus Christ in His resurection anyway .....He didnt take the kingdom by power or force but by the word of His mouth ...the very Word of God.the living word

 

[Charles]

Seven spirits; Isaiah 11:2.

 

[NoahsDad]

kool...............

 

[MahogonySnail]

re: seven spirits, in Revelations

the seven is symbolic.. not literal.
there are not actually seven independent Spirits of God. There is only one Holy Spirit , and He is not divided into 7. 7 is the number representing fullness. "seven Spirits of God" means the fullness of the Spirit. The number seven is repeated throughout Revelations, seven churches, seven Spirits, seven trumpets, seven vials, seven thunders, seven seals.

Isaiah 11:2 - , "the spirit of" denotes the various giftings that the one Spirit would impart. Not sure that it is connected to Revelations in any way.

One time in a church I went to a pastor's wife was often saying "Holy Spirits" (plural), because she believed there was actually 7 Spirits of God.

 

[MahogonySnail]

re: seven eyes,

the Lamb which had seven horns is symbolic. Seven is the number of perfection, horns represent power. So the lamb has perfect power, referring to its omnipotence. The seven eyes of the Lamb, represent its omniscience.

 

[NoahsDad]

Zec 4:10 For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.
I see they Still appear to be the same as candle sticks.
So could hese 7 lamps and pipes be offices or duities of the 7 churches mentioned in Revelation ?because in the interpretation of the 7 stars and 7 candlesticks in rev1:20 The candlesticks are the churches the stars are the charges over the church or the angels.


this is my question realy
this is what Im trying to get at in this study just didnt really know how to put it into question form in a forum

 

[MahogonySnail]

The "eyes" in Zec 4:10, refer to God's providence, His omniscience, referring to the fullness and perfection which God will accomplish what He said He would accomplish.

Re: lamps,

Zec 4:2 "What do you see?" he asked. "A lampstand made of gold," I answered. "At the top is a bowl for the oil. On the lampstand are seven lamps, each one with places for seven wicks.


So you have this lamp with a bowl on top with oil in it, and this oil runs through the pipes into the bowls to fuel the lamps obviously.

The main meaning behind this is already given in verse 6:

Zec 4:6 The angel told me to give Zerubbabel this message from the LORD: "You will succeed, not by military might or by your own strength, but by my spirit.


Similar imagery is used in Revelations. By comparing with revelations, the lampstand of gold represents the Church, shining its light into the dark world. In the time of Zec. it was the Temple. Of course the Church today made up of people indwelt by the Spirit, is like the Temple in old testament times where God dwelt. Their purpose on earth was the same, to shine forth God's light into the dark world. So some connections can be made there. The oil represents the Holy Spirit. Seven lamps probably represent God's servants, the apostles, evangelists, etc who carry the truth , are the "lights of the world", not by their own power but by the power of the Spirit, Who is the oil which gives the light. The lamps themselves are useless without the fuel (the Spirit) flowing into them, and the oil flowing freely into the lamps represents God's grace and free gift of salvation. If lamps don't represent God's servants, then they might represent the gifts and functions of the Spirit, the spiritual gifts and callings (prophet, evangelist, apostle, pastor etc).

Rev 1:20, gives seven lamp stands. So that's seven churches.

The "candlestick" in Revelation 1:12-13 may mean the same thing as "lampstand". So there might be a confusion and cross-over of terms here. In any case, the general meaning is the same - something which shines forth light, but this light is not generated by the lamp itself but comes from the fuel source, the Spirit.


So Jesus removing the candlestick from it's place in Rev 2:5
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.



Could refer to the pastor being removed from the church, if candlestick means lamp (as part of the lampstand, the church of Ephesus), or if it means lampstand, refer to the whole church of Ephesus being removed completely , e.g. through persecution, leaving that region in darkness.

The seven stars represent God's servants, like the evangelists for example, they are the angels (sent messengers), carrying the Gospel to the ends of the earth, illuminating the dark world with the Truth:

Compare with:
Php 2:15 .....Among these you shine as lights in the world, ..
Mat 5:14 You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden.
Mat 5:15 Nor do men light a lamp and put it under the grain-measure, but on a lampstand. And it gives light to all who are in the house.
Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and glorify your Father who is in Heaven.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Rev 5:6 And I looked, and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, amidst the elders, a Lamb stood, as if it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The seven horns represent Christ's complete and perfect authority ...


Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given to Me in Heaven and in earth.




, the seven eyes, His supreme intelligence and knowledge, His omniscience. The seven Spirits, Christ has the fullness of the Spirit, who Christ sent into the world after His resurrection to do God's work..so that it would not be by human strength but by the Spirit..

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever,

1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Zec 4:6 Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, says Jehovah of Hosts.

Act 2:33 Therefore being exalted to the right of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured out this which you now see and hear.

There are some wonderful connections there between the weakness of a slain Lamb (Christ crucified) with the strength and power of God, and how Christ crucified , after being raised from the dead, was glorified, receiving power, glory, honor..



Compare ....
Rev 5:12 saying with a great voice, Worthy is the Lamb who was slain, to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing.


Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him tobe the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[MahogonySnail]

and there is also a wonderful connection between the rebuilding of the Temple in Zec. and Revelations, notice the similarity between the two:


Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty is its temple, even the Lamb.
Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they might shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
Rev 21:24 And the nations of those who are saved will walk in the light of it; and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
Rev 21:25 And its gates may not be shut at all by day, for there shall be no night there.
Rev 21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it.
Rev 21:27 And there shall in no way enter into it anything that defiles, or any making an abomination or a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

 

[NoahsDad]

You.ve touhed on everything Ive dug up on this subject and I can agree with most of what youve come up woth on this except this one thing...........
Similar imagery is used in Revelations. By comparing with revelations, the lampstand of gold represents the Church, shining its light into the dark world
I think the lamp stand should be Christ ...........cuz its on Him in which the church or candlesticks stand .........on His sacrifice ,BUT I can see what you are saying


Rev 2:5Rememberthereforefrom whencethouartfallen,andrepent,anddothefirstworks;or elseIwillcomeuntotheequickly,andwillremovethycandlestickout ofhisplace,exceptthourepent.



Could refer to the pastor being removed from the church, if candlestick means lamp (as part of the lampstand, the church of Ephesus), or if it means lampstand, refer to the whole church of Ephesus being removed completely , e.g. through persecution, leaving that region in darkness.


Could this not also referr to Jesus removing the Holy Spirit or fuel out of the candlestick as well tho instead of the pastor ?therefor giving no light cuz it has no fuel or oil.........like the verse referring to the virgins in Mathew?

Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
5 trimmed their lamps and 5 didnt and run out of oil or truth so to speak.


So if we say the holy Spirit is the oil and christ is the stand on which the candles stand...... That makes the candle sticks the church
Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

so this verse sais that the lamps are the 7 spirits of God
so is this saying that the church of Christ is the fullness of God or the seven eyes," His supreme intelligence and knowledge, His omniscience. The seven Spirits, Christ has the fullness of the Spirit, who Christ sent into the world after His resurrection to do God's work..so that it would not be by human strength but by the Spirit"..(I quoted what you wrote here to make sure I got it right)
not tryin to put you out of context tho.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Similar imagery is used in Revelations. By comparing with revelations, the lampstand of gold represents the Church, shining its light into the dark world
I think the lamp stand should be Christ ...........cuz its on Him in which the church or candlesticks stand .........on His sacrifice ,BUT I can see what you are saying

Yes Rev 21:23 refers to Christ as the lamp. It could be. Then again there is this Christ-Church , husband-bride connection, that it could mean both? i.e. the church is Christ's body etc.. So could refer to both rather than one or the other.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Could this not also referr to Jesus removing the Holy Spirit or fuel out of the candlestick as well tho instead of the pastor ?therefor giving no light cuz it has no fuel or oil.........like the verse referring to the virgins in Mathew?

Sure, makes sense to me.

So if we say the holy Spirit is the oil and christ is the stand on which the candles stand...... That makes the candle sticks the church
Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

so this verse sais that the lamps are the 7 spirits of God
so is this saying that the church of Christ is the fullness of God or the seven eyes," His supreme intelligence and knowledge, His omniscience. The seven Spirits, Christ has the fullness of the Spirit, who Christ sent into the world after His resurrection to do God's work..so that it would not be by human strength but by the Spirit"..(I quoted what you wrote here to make sure I got it right)
not tryin to put you out of context tho.

Not sure about this verse, i'll have to do more study about it. The confusing thing is sometimes I think it refers to the lamps or lampstand in the Temple as per Exodus I think it is , and other times it's this vision in Zechariah, they both involve lamps, but the meaning of the lamps could be different depending on the context. These lamps were before God's throne, and they may symbolise illumination, rather than the church, maybe the common meaning between both is truth, the church carries the truth into the dark world, and the lamps illuminate... but I'm not sure if a church - eye connection can be made there. Yet it makes sense.. God's on earth is like Christ's hands and feet, His eyes too I suppose. Hope I'm not confusing, but this one needs more study.