What and when really is the kingdom of heaven??

[damex]

DAy AND nIGHT! in churches, prophets preachers... all talk about a very important topic 'the kingdom of heaven'!, I ask what really and when is the kingdom going to come??

Good Jesus from matthew 24 verse5 said "for many will come in my name, saying 'I am the christ,' and will deceive many" uhmm this is really and interesting verse 'for many will come in my name'
11) matt24v6 "For nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines,pestilence....verse 7 "ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS"
whoooh since when I have been born, I have certainly witnessed this seveeral time yet the end hasn't come, 'many are oppresed yet in the hand of the oppresors is great power,' evil as suddenly taken hold of the world in a way that noone believes in a God rather assumptions have been made up that God story is just in relation to a fairy-tale...really I have seen this lots of time an it has got me thinking several times.
Really my question is why doesn't God want to do anything and why hasn't the end time come? are this people who predicted this just making it up? Is it really true we existed by evolution,bigbang...why,why is the oppresed faced with daily struggles even though they are the ones who pray and worship God more, why,why is everything happening like this???

 

[carpetmanswife]

The end hasnt come yet because 2 peter 3:15 says the logsuffering of our Lord is salvation , meaning He hast come yet for more souls to be saved. As for the "where is the kingdom of God " question when we are saved we will experience a taste of that kingdom to come even while on earth romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost . these are things we can have now when we give our life to Him .Will life here on earth be easy ? no. But He never said it would be .these" kingdom of God " gifts that we can have now help us thru this life now . Is there a real kingdom of God ..heaven?? yes. revelation speaks of this place. read rev 21&22 Gbu

 

[thefightinglamb]

(1)The kingdom of God is kind of hard to explain to someone who has no experience of it...

SO, those who live under the Lord's authority are already spiritually dwelling in the kingdom of God...Those who seek for and follow the Lord, having asked and been recieved by the Lord, are guided, protected and surrounded by God's love in ways that are hard to understand, much more hard to put into words...

So the first question becomes: What authority have you given the Lord in your life? How intimately do you listen to, wait for, and follow him? It is these things that give birth to the Lord in your own life...

(2) You wrote:

whoooh since when I have been born, I have certainly witnessed this seveeral time yet the end hasn't come, 'many are oppresed yet in the hand of the oppresors is great power,' evil as suddenly taken hold of the world in a way that noone believes in a God rather assumptions have been made up that God story is just in relation to a fairy-tale...really I have seen this lots of time an it has got me thinking several times.

It is false to say that no one believes in God...I do for one, though you may not know me...anyway, do you believe it is a fairy-tale? I can see that you seem not to, as you perceive the truth in atleast some of the scriptures...I do agree that evil has saturated much of this world, in a way that seeks to choke the Lord out of everything...public education comes to mind...

But there are still people willing to fight--I had an awesome 5th grade teacher that prayed with all of us before lunch--though it was illegal, yada yada; it was the only time, because I was brought up secular, that I truly felt and saw faith in my teacher...

(3) You wrote:

Really my question is why doesn't God want to do anything and why hasn't the end time come? are this people who predicted this just making it up? Is it really true we existed by evolution,bigbang...why,why is the oppresed faced with daily struggles even though they are the ones who pray and worship God more, why,why is everything happening like this???

If the end comes, everyone that is not Christian is condemned...thats fairly obvious...So, look at your life is there anyone you care about that would await eternal fire? Do what the Lord calls you to do and stop worrying about the endtimes...I don't know how other Christians interprit the endtimes, but I feel spiritually that many Christians will be crucified again before the end comes...things will get much worse...Not saying that we are close, so perhaps a revival or a large turning to Christ will occur and perhaps the endtimes won't happen for another 5000 years or so?

See thats the greatest lie of evolution; science never explains spirits or souls...When you say did we occur by big-bang/evolution you are, fighting yourself first to hold onto the belief that we don't, but also you have to realize that big-bang and evolution can never explain or tell you what you are. It's like looking at your physical body or your parents physical body age without end and saying thats who you are...but it isn't who you spiritually are. You are whoever God says you are, or whatever lie you allow mold you into whatever you will be...

Look what happened to Paul and others, Christianity was never a cherry on top of an icecream sunday. When Paul turned to Christ, he was persecuted; before he wasn't...Follow Christ though and abandon everything this world has to offer and the Lord does and will set you free...

God bless, I hope this helps
tony

 

[MahogonySnail]

I believe the Kingdom of God or Kingdom of Heaven is wherever God rules. When Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is near, He meant within Himself, was the Kingdom of Heaven, and not only that, but God was so close to them given that Jesus was the Son of God on Earth. God was within the grasp and reach of the prostitute and religious leader alike.

Now days, the Kingdom of Heaven, is within every believer in Christ. Wherever God rules the hearts and minds of mankind. That means that just like Jesus, we can say to a non believer "the kingdom of Heaven is near you" , as the Kingdom of Heaven is within each of us.

Conversely, the Kingdom of satan is wherever satan rules the hearts and minds of people.

 

[MahogonySnail]

So you ask when is the Kingdom of heaven going to come? The answer is, it is already here, in the Church, in every individual believer, and in every government , kingdom, authority where Christians have influence.

 

[Baruch]

DAy AND nIGHT! in churches, prophets preachers... all talk about a very important topic 'the kingdom of heaven'!, I ask what really and when is the kingdom going to come??

John 18:36Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

John 4:19The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

1 Corinthians 6: 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Matthew 28: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Good Jesus from matthew 24 verse5 said "for many will come in my name, saying 'I am the christ,' and will deceive many" uhmm this is really and interesting verse 'for many will come in my name'
11) matt24v6 "For nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines,pestilence....verse 7 "ALL THESE ARE THE BEGINNING OF SORROWS"
whoooh since when I have been born, I have certainly witnessed this seveeral time yet the end hasn't come, 'many are oppresed yet in the hand of the oppresors is great power,' evil as suddenly taken hold of the world in a way that noone believes in a God rather assumptions have been made up that God story is just in relation to a fairy-tale...really I have seen this lots of time an it has got me thinking several times.

John 7:The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.

So when you became a believer in Jesus Christ....

John 15: 17These things I command you, that ye love one another. 18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. 20Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

So naturally the world is going to push the evolution "theory" as if it has been proven and it is a fact.. hoping no one noticed that they are the ones spinning the fairytale by building one hypothesis after another countering anyone for having noticed that not one hypothesis has been proven yet and silencing any findings that goes against the evolution theory. Evolution is a cult fad hidden in science for just as false prophets comes into christianity and evil men in governments and schools, so can they in the science establishment. Don't overlook that when the world is trying to influence you.

Really my question is why doesn't God want to do anything and why hasn't the end time come? are this people who predicted this just making it up? Is it really true we existed by evolution,bigbang...why,why is the oppresed faced with daily struggles even though they are the ones who pray and worship God more, why,why is everything happening like this???

It's coming. We are already seeing prophecies coming true that will set up the great tribulation period. They have the technology now and in use in Europe to have a bio-chip to buy and sell... there are talks of getting the Temple built and when they give the commandment out to build it, that will be the beginning of the seven year great tribulation... but... the rapture of those that are ready will happen before then... so keeping the faith is the good fight as evil men and seducers gets worse and worse.

Maybe because when God finally puts His foot down, we that believe will be rejoicing and no one will ever again doubt what is outside the will of God again.. for we shall all know the answer to that... nothing good. Ever since the fall of man, we as a generations of witnesses will testify of the futility of man apart from God and the vanity of man trying to be like "god" and the end result of not wanting to have anything to do with God... the lake of fire where nothing good is. Stands to reason that if God is good, and there is nothing good apart from Him, then those not wanting to have anything to do with God.. gets what they want... the lake of fire.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Now many out there will try to tie in events to prophecies, but the whole point is to keep your eyes on Jesus and not let the world distract you in taking your eyes off of Him or stealing you of your faith in the Good News that is found in Jesus Christ.

So just as prophecies of the evil one coming to power are coming true.. so will all the promises of God will come true also.

1 Corinthians 15:53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.

Ephesians 2: 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

1 John 3:22And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Philippians 3:14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

1 Peter 3:17For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.

Philippians 4: 13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

1 Peter 4:19Wherefore let them thatsuffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

1 Corinthians 10:13There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: butGod is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

1 John 3:3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

1 Peter 5:7Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you. 8Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 9Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. 10But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you. 11To him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

 

[BLC]

Do any of you think there is a difference between the 'kingdom of heaven' and the 'kingdom of God'?

 

[MahogonySnail]

I don't personally BLC, perhaps the word heaven though can be used to define a location i.e. we can talk about the kingdom of God in heaven (kingdom of heaven?), or the kingdom of God on earth.

 

[Piano_hero]

the topic is confusing because sometimes the kingdom is something that saved people are already in , and other times its talked about as a futuristic event . Long story short , the kingdom of God already exists in heaven, but in the future, will reign on earth . so its something that exists already, but we wont see it until later .

 

[STDOMINIC]

In Matthew it is genuinely known of (The Kingdom Of Heaven). The word (kingdom) means (ruling) as well. The Greek basileia of the New Testament also has these two meanings.

In the mouth of Christ the "kingdom" means not so much a goal to be attained or a place, though those meanings are by no means excluded as in (Matt. 5:3 & 11:2).

It is rather a tone of mind as in (Luke 17:20-21), and stands for an influence which must permeate men's minds if they would be one with Him and attain to His ideals. (Luke 9:55).

At one time the "kingdom" means the sway of grace in men's hearts, as in the parable of the seed growing secretly (Mark 4:26 & Matthew 21:43).

At another time it is the goal at which we have to aim, as in (Matt. 3:3). It is a place where God is pictured as reigning (Mark 14:25).

As men grew to understand the Divinity of Christ they grew to see that the kingdom of God was also that of Christ. It was here that the faith of the good thief excelled: "Lord, remember me when thou shalt come into thy kingdom."

As men realized that this kingdom stood for a certain tone of mind, and saw that this spirit was enshrined in the Church, they began to speak of the Church as "the kingdom of God" (Col., I:13) and (I Thess. 2:12).
The kingdom was regarded as Christ's and He presents it to the Father (I Cor. 15: 23-28 and II Timothy 4:1).

The kingdom of God means, then, the ruling of God in our hearts; it means those principles which separate us off from the kingdom of the world and the devil, and the benign sway of grace.
It also means the Church as that "Divine institution" whereby we may make sure of attaining the spirit of Christ and win the ultimate kingdom of God where He reigns without end in "the holy city, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God" (Revelation 21:2).

 

[damex]

So you ask when is the Kingdom of heaven going to come? The answer is, it is already here, in the Church, in every individual believer, and in every government , kingdom, authority where Christians have influence.

really do you think you know where heaven is?

 

[damex]

how do u expect me to understand this? MY simple question is "do u believe, where and when is the kingdom of God coming? when are we to espect?

 

[lambsy]

What is the kingdom of Heaven?

In a nutshell,
Heaven is life with our beloved LORD Jesus Christ in the eternal city.

 

[MahogonySnail]

really do you think you know where heaven is?

Yes, the kingdom is wherever the King is!

 

[MahogonySnail]

MY simple question is "do u believe, where and when is the kingdom of God coming? when are we to espect?

The Kingdom of God has been on the Earth for ages in the heart of every true believer, not to mention Christ Himself when he walked the earth.

Luke 17:20.. The kingdom of God does not come with observation

It will not appear like a visible earthly kingdom, as the Pharisees mistakenly thought the Messiah would come. The kingdom of God must be in you. A kingdom that has its throne in the heart, on which Christ, the King, sits. It has to be formed by yielding our hearts to Christ. So you can't see or find or understand the kingdom of God Damex until you do this. A fleshly mind cannot understand spiritual things.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

 

[Baruch]

how do u expect me to understand this? MY simple question is "do u believe, where and when is the kingdom of God coming? when are we to espect?

Perhaps you may need to clarify the question.

Are you referring to the actual Kingdom that Christ will set up on earth after the great tribulation where the lion shall lie down with the lamb? Are you talking about the milleniel reign of Christ on earth (1,000 years) ? If so.. it is at the end great tribulation ( a seven year period) when Jesus returns with the saints at the scene of the battle of Armegeddon.

But...

Jesus shall be appearing soon so there is a need to watch and be ready for the Bridegroom cometh to collect the saints that are abiding in Him. Keeping the faith is the good fight as we lean on Him to keep us from falling away from Him as well as from falling into sin so that He may present us faultless in His glory. I know there are oppositions to the pre-trib rapture, but judgment must fall on the House of God first and so that is how at His coming.. Jesus came back "with the saints".

So as the falling away of the faith is happening today... as technology and the workings towards the New World Order is building up to come into place for the great tribulation, now more than ever, we need to go to Jesus in prayer and trust Him to be Our Good Shepherd as well as Our Saviour so that we may be able to go and enter in as it is His righteousness that brings us Home to His glory. Amen.