NOT ALL THINGS HAVE YET BEEN PUT UNDER JESUS' AUTHORITY

[Devolution]

Hebrews 2:7> Thou madest Him a little lower than the angels, Thou crownedst Him with glory and honor, and did set Him over the works of Thy hands.

Here we see Christ has been given all authority by his Father. But not all is as it seems. When God speaks, we need to recognize that He isn't always talking about immediate conditions..what He often does is generalize. For what God is speaking of here is the end result. That is, when all that is coming is completed, indeed, his Son will then at that point have all authority assuredly...just not yet. And whenever we read our Lords Word, as we continue through the verses, we always find extra insight to His generalizations. Sometimes obscured, sometimes obvious. And this is what we find for the above scripture also...when we read on.

For in Gods eyes, since He knows the end of all things, it is to Him as though all things have already happened, for He knows the end result, so therefore, He CAN generalize...and does. So we can not take single statements, or even clusters of verses and form doctrines without first seeking ALL related scriptures on any and all declarations/subjects. And this is also true for the above scripture that when taken as is, it is from here conflicting doctrines can form...like the doctrine that says Christ is ruling all things even now...which can create doctrines like the millennium is already underway...which of course is error...and conflicts with what we are soon to read...so we read on for clarification...

Hebrews 2:8> Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. For in that He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put under Him....

Again, sounds certain that Christ is indeed reigning over all things even now, especially: He left nothing that is not put under Him !!! Sounds very definite doesn't it !! BUT....but look now at how that verse 8 ends...

v8> But now we see not yet all things put under Him !!!!!!!

Now this Hebrews, as we all know, was written after Christ ascended to His Father. And here we have another proof that indeed, not yet all things are under His control. So we see from the opening of this subject, God generalized, for it was said that all things were put under Christ, giving the impression Christ certainly does right now this moment rule all things...but as we continued on, we found that not all was as it seemed. So since not all things are yet put under Him, then there are by necessity, from that declared truth, things that are even now free of His rule, that is, not under Christ. Now we do find in Hebrews, amongst others, the reason why not yet all things are put under Christ. But it is not openly declared, but instead, it is left to be found by diligent seeking in sincerity.

However, we Christians understand through scripture that all things heavenly are indeed put under Christ, as so many scriptures attest, and not only that, but all earthly followers of His are also under Him. Just not yet all other things are under Him. So since that is true, that all things SPIRITUAL are under Him, besides the fallen angels, well then, what is left that is not under Him? Well, it is obvious now is it not? That only one other state/condition, that must, and can only be, the one and only thing left, the one thing that is not yet put under Him...and that can only be...the physical plane. Which means, that His kingdom is not yet manifested. For when it is...THEN all things will indeed be under Him.

And if we look to the world, and the spirit in the peoples of the world, we see the majority of humans are definitely not under Christ...but instead, they are under something else...and besides, men rule the nations free of Godly conscience...And since we also know that God has revealed that this world has a god who rules a kingdom...it can then ONLY be this worldly kingdom that is not yet under Christ..this kingdom of man under Satan. What else is left that it can be that is not yet put under Christ? Logic screams the obvious does it not? Again, this rules out any possibility that the millennium has already commenced. Emphatically so.

Now, we need consider something extremely important, And that is this, When Satan contradicted Gods command to Adam & Eve, what he was actually doing, was saying that there was another way to live. A different lifestyle Adam & Eve could choose. And since God allowed this to happen, for God knows the end at the beginning, for all things consist by His will, and for his will, and all things unfold as He foreknew, what God was allowing, was for evil to be born so He could expose it, and eventually destroy it once its purpose is fulfilled. This is uncomfortable for many.

And since He is letting man seek out all manner of lifestyles and choices without Him in the mix, even the fallen angels too, this serves a very important purpose that cannot be underestimated. And that is this, since man has pursued all forms of political and religious based lifestyles, no man, nor even angel, can ever accuse God of being a dictator nor question His unquestionable rule henceforth into eternity. For in all of mans self serving pursuits, having tried all manner of lifestyles and systems, it has been proved beyond doubt, that all systems without Gods guidance, have failed. So once all is eventually completed, never again for all eternity will Gods rule be questioned ever again. Here is one reason for all manner of cultures and the like...it is as a witness to an indisputable truth, that Gods way is indeed the only way...and His Word the only Word to heed. And that He rules and guides us out of His love for us...nothing more, nothing less.

And this leads to why God generalizes when He speaks. For God also knew that many would use His Name as though they were His people for various pernicious reasons. And from here, many of these types would abuse his Word for self gain and notoriety in all manner of aspects. This is why God generalizes, He is catching these sorts out. He is sifting His people by allowing these types to gain prominent positions of leaderships and respect from men, and from these positions highly regarded by those beneath, doctrines are formed through academic postulations in pride and self confidence through their own wisdom and envies and competitive pride for eminence within their competing "fields". And within their/these doctrines, mistakes abound. For Gods wisdom is not "learned" by diligent study through ones own wisdom alone, but it is instead granted wisdom/knowledge for diligently "living" that way Christ showed us.

And these doctrinal mistakes are MEANT and DESIGNED to be there, allowed and ordained by God Himself. And all believers under these various doctrines, are having levels of sincerity exposed and confirmed to God as to what manner of disciple they are . And what becomes evident to God in this exposure, is just how diligently His people are seeking Him, which reveals the depth of ones love for Him, which determines which doctrine each disciple will be bound by. And each doctrine shares one common factor...that is, all doctrines have a measure of truth, some more, some less, and the other common factor these share is one immutable truth, that is, they all lack the complete truth.

And within the peoples continued support for these various doctrines, two things are revealed, either deep personal seeking within the follower, which will inevitably/eventually lead that type away from erroneous doctrines, for people learn and grow after all, and to grow means to eventually become more aware to doctrines,Or the half seekers, that is, those letting others seek for them (priests/scholars etc)....which ultimately keeps one captive to the various conflicting doctrines. Yet there is still hope for this group in the end. It is just that they will suffer loss in the resurrection as certain scripture alludes to. But God still loves these followers, these are still brethren. And He has promised to save these followers from the various shepherds soon. But not all can hold high positions, so this is why it is so...our station to come is being determined NOW.

And here is why the Christian world is so divided and contradictory to each other...unworthy types have "crept" in as teachers, not unknown by God, but unknown by men, hence: crept in. And these types are everywhere in mainstream religion, these shepherds, not all, but most...MOST.. And it is allowed and designed by God. And this will also decide just how accurate ones understanding of Gods written Word will be also. For the more sincere, the greater the measure of Spirit is given. And it is ONLY that Spirit which reveals truth in the written Word clearly. The more Spirit, the less error..the less Spirit...the more error abounds...and if left in this erroneous state too long..IF a haughty spirit is indwelling, these types, we find, that these eventually, which truth they may have...even that truth will be taken away.

And no matter how much these last types may be shown truth...they will never be able to see it. NEVER. They will only see what they think they see. And stranger and stranger doctrines will dominate their hearts and minds...as a witness. And God determines their end.

So in conclusion, we see that not all things are yet under Christ..but when they are finally subject to Him entirely...THEN and only then will the complete truth cover the earth. And THEN all of us can be one. I look forward to that day. Amen.

 

[zone]

Hebrews 2:7> Thou madest Him a little lower than the angels, Thou crownedst Him with glory and honor, and did set Him over the works of Thy hands.

Here we see Christ has been given all authority by his Father. But not all is as it seems. When God speaks, we need to recognize that He isn't always talking about immediate conditions..what He often does is generalize. For what God is speaking of here is the end result. That is, when all that is coming is completed, indeed, his Son will then at that point have all authority assuredly...just not yet. And whenever we read our Lords Word, as we continue through the verses, we always find extra insight to His generalizations. Sometimes obscured, sometimes obvious. And this is what we find for the above scripture also...when we read on.

your diligent study, and The Holy Spirit, as a reward, has revealed to you that the following isn't REALLY true: (rather God is being vague and generalizing in order to entrap false teachers):

1 Corinthians 15:27
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ

and, by special revelation you have been shown that God didn't REALLY give all authority in heaven and on earth to Jesus...He's generalizing.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

John 3:35
The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands.

For in Gods eyes, since He knows the end of all things, it is to Him as though all things have already happened, for He knows the end result, so therefore, He CAN generalize...and does. So we can not take single statements, or even clusters of verses and form doctrines without first seeking ALL related scriptures on any and all declarations/subjects. And this is also true for the above scripture that when taken as is, it is from here conflicting doctrines can form...like the doctrine that says Christ is ruling all things even now...which can create doctrines like the millennium is already underway...which of course is error...and conflicts with what we are soon to read...so we read on for clarification...

so THAT'S what this about.
imagine that.

well, above you have been shown to be presuming to know exactly the mind of God to the point that you alone in all of Christendom have seen He did NOT put all things (except Himself) under Christ...that even now Jesus is at the Right Hand having His enemies made His footstool.

God is NOT REALLY IN CHARGE right now. He's just calling it the way IT WILL ONE DAY BE.

that's just Him... kind of generalizing... about Power He might one day have, or exercise...or give to Jesus, or allow Jesus to enforce.

okay. let's see what else you've been shown by special revelation and diligent study.

you really MUST be special to have things revealed to you so quickly when you answer the call of duty to refute the early church's (and most mainline denomination's) position on the eschaton. AMAZING!

Hebrews 2:8> Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. For in that He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put under Him....

um...okay...but this verse doesn't REALLY mean what it says....is that it?

Again, sounds certain that Christ is indeed reigning over all things even now, especially: He left nothing that is not put under Him !!! Sounds very definite doesn't it !! BUT....but look now at how that verse 8 ends...

*gasp* what?

v8> But now we see not yet all things put under Him !!!!!!!

OH! now i see that! wow......whew...good thing you had that revealed.

now what?

Now this Hebrews, as we all know, was written after Christ ascended to His Father. And here we have another proof that indeed, not yet all things are under His control. So we see from the opening of this subject, God generalized, for it was said that all things were put under Christ, giving the impression Christ certainly does right now this moment rule all things...but as we continued on, we found that not all was as it seemed. So since not all things are yet put under Him, then there are by necessity, from that declared truth, things that are even now free of His rule, that is, not under Christ. Now we do find in Hebrews, amongst others, the reason why not yet all things are put under Christ. But it is not openly declared, but instead, it is left to be found by diligent seeking in sincerity.

right....okay...after He ascended.
but: WHERE IS THE PROOF not all things are under Him (aside from God Himself)

WHAT PROOF? just because He hasn't brought Judgment Day or destroyed evil men and devils yet? that means He's not in control?

here's the verse in 1 Corinthians 15:27:
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ

and here's the passage you quoted in context:

Hebrews 2
The Founder of Salvation
5Now it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. 6It has been testified somewhere,

“What is man, that you are mindful of him,
or the son of man, that you care for him?
7 You made him for a little while lower than the angels;
you have crowned him with glory and honor,a
8 putting everything in subjection under his feet.”

Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. 9But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

10For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source.b That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers,c 12saying,

“I will tell of your name to my brothers;
in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.”

13And again,

“I will put my trust in him.”
And again,

“Behold, I and the children God has given me.”

14Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. 16For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

is this your proof line that Jesus isn't King and has a Kingdom NOW?

At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.

um....Devo. God is not under Jesus, and the Second Advent and Judgment Day hasn't come, so the devil and death aren't thrown in the lake of fire.

does that mean they aren't CONQUERED? perhaps you should do some work in that area.

the Bible is about Jesus and what He has Done.

He defeated death, and secured eternal life for all who believe. this WORLD is still in place, so the consummation hasn't happened....a-a-a-a-n-n-d that proves that Jesus isn't King? that He hasn't been given all authority? that God is generalizing about what He has accomplished for makind already, placing it yet future, in order to trap false teachers?

ok.

that's definitely one i hadn't heard before, but we learn something every day when we submit to good teachers like you.

However, we Christians understand through scripture that all things heavenly are indeed put under Christ, as so many scriptures attest, and not only that, but all earthly followers of His are also under Him. Just not yet all other things are under Him. So since that is true, that all things SPIRITUAL are under Him, besides the fallen angels, well then, what is left that is not under Him? Well, it is obvious now is it not? That only one other state/condition, that must, and can only be, the one and only thing left, the one thing that is not yet put under Him...and that can only be...the physical plane. Which means, that His kingdom is not yet manifested. For when it is...THEN all things will indeed be under Him.

OH! a qualification now...so, things in HEAVEN are under Christ (except God Himself). Jesus is in charge in Heaven, but not on earth.

but:...."His earthly followers" are ALSO under Him! wow.

that kind of changed somewhat...God isn't REALLY generalizing. it's just that since
"At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him. " that means Jesus ISN'T REALLY IN CONTROL AND RULING.....because WE DON'T SEE IT.

i'm glad God cleared that up for the Church through you devo.

so: RECAP:

after all that pontificationg and whining and false humility and innuendo, we have learned that:

Jesus Has All Authority in Heaven and on earth (except over unsaved men because we don't at this present time see all things under Him).

but we can't REALLY be sure of any of that, since in order to trap false teachers and test and reward diligent students, God is willing to generalize and obscure the Truths of Christ (even contradicting Himself at times).

cont......

 

[zone]

devo's heresy cont....

And if we look to the world, and the spirit in the peoples of the world, we see the majority of humans are definitely not under Christ...but instead, they are under something else...and besides, men rule the nations free of Godly conscience...And since we also know that God has revealed that this world has a god who rules a kingdom...it can then ONLY be this worldly kingdom that is not yet under Christ..this kingdom of man under Satan. What else is left that it can be that is not yet put under Christ? Logic screams the obvious does it not? Again, this rules out any possibility that the millennium has already commenced. Emphatically so.

so, because there are untold numbers who have NOT been translated in THIS WORLD (by entering the Kingdom Now) to Christ's eternal Kingdom (the WORLD TO COME) by faith, the ONLY meaning is: "this worldly kingdom [is] ...not yet under Christ, but... satan"

and you want so badly to prove amillennial theology (more precisely me) wrong, you are willing to do anything, including corrupt the truth of God's Word.

What else is left that it can be that is not yet put under Christ?

I KNOW, I KNOW!

1 Corinthians 15:27:
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ

Logic screams the obvious does it not? Again, this rules out any possibility that the millennium has already commenced. Emphatically so.

OH.
do we have to go by human logic screaming out from within a dark & sinful mind?
why can't we just believe God's Word?

Now, we need consider something extremely important, And that is this, When Satan contradicted Gods command to Adam & Eve, what he was actually doing, was saying that there was another way to live. A different lifestyle Adam & Eve could choose. And since God allowed this to happen, for God knows the end at the beginning, for all things consist by His will, and for his will, and all things unfold as He foreknew, what God was allowing, was for evil to be born so He could expose it, and eventually destroy it once its purpose is fulfilled. This is uncomfortable for many.

huh. mkay......and then what?

And since He is letting man seek out all manner of lifestyles and choices without Him in the mix, even the fallen angels too, this serves a very important purpose that cannot be underestimated. And that is this, since man has pursued all forms of political and religious based lifestyles, no man, nor even angel, can ever accuse God of being a dictator nor question His unquestionable rule henceforth into eternity. For in all of mans self serving pursuits, having tried all manner of lifestyles and systems, it has been proved beyond doubt, that all systems without Gods guidance, have failed. So once all is eventually completed, never again for all eternity will Gods rule be questioned ever again. Here is one reason for all manner of cultures and the like...it is as a witness to an indisputable truth, that Gods way is indeed the only way...and His Word the only Word to heed. And that He rules and guides us out of His love for us...nothing more, nothing less.

so....is your God in charge, or not?
is He ruling or not?

that's quite a speech.

all that to try to say Jesus is NOT KING, that He hasn't been given all power and authority, that He doesn't control all things yet, that His Kingdom on earth doesn't LOOK LIKE THE KINGDOM THE REJECTING JEWS EXPECTED, His Kingdom isn't in place now.

and all to say satan is NOT restrained from hindering the going forth of the Gospel.

there's really no limit to what a puffed-up heretic will do to not humble himself and consider his ways.

oh well....whatcha gonna do?

And this leads to why God generalizes when He speaks. For God also knew that many would use His Name as though they were His people for various pernicious reasons. And from here, many of these types would abuse his Word for self gain and notoriety in all manner of aspects. This is why God generalizes, He is catching these sorts out. He is sifting His people by allowing these types to gain prominent positions of leaderships and respect from men, and from these positions highly regarded by those beneath, doctrines are formed through academic postulations in pride and self confidence through their own wisdom and envies and competitive pride for eminence within their competing "fields". And within their/these doctrines, mistakes abound. For Gods wisdom is not "learned" by diligent study through ones own wisdom alone, but it is instead granted wisdom/knowledge for diligently "living" that way Christ showed us.

hmmm....finally you are getting to the point of WHY GOD GENERALIZES.

sorry for being DULL OF HEARING DEVO. i'm not smart enough to follow what you are saying since i see nothing of the sort in God's Word (i.e.: that by GENERALIZING He lays snares of false doctrine within it to catch bad guys).

i'll eat more broccoli or something next time before reading your posts.

RECAP:

- The Lord is NOT KING on earth (though He does rule those in His Kingdom ALREADY/NOT YET)

- He's NOT in power and authority but He CAN control EVERYTHING right down to obfuscating and generalizing in His Word in order to catch false teachers.

- devo is among the chosen few (are there 3 Christians in the world?) that has been GRANTED WISDOM...not for studying diligently like all the others, but because devo is TRULY LIVING the way Christ showed us.

- all that would sound really good if devo wasn't teaching DISPENSATIONAL SCOFIELDISM, which is judaized christianity, which is the Leaven of The Pharisees.

And these doctrinal mistakes are MEANT and DESIGNED to be there, allowed and ordained by God Himself. And all believers under these various doctrines, are having levels of sincerity exposed and confirmed to God as to what manner of disciple they are . And what becomes evident to God in this exposure, is just how diligently His people are seeking Him, which reveals the depth of ones love for Him, which determines which doctrine each disciple will be bound by. And each doctrine shares one common factor...that is, all doctrines have a measure of truth, some more, some less, and the other common factor these share is one immutable truth, that is, they all lack the complete truth.

wow! so God implanted traps in His Word (false doctrines actually) so that bad people who are pretending to be Christians would find them and be caught by good people who are receiving special revelation by The Holy Spirit.

i really am learning new things today.

And within the peoples continued support for these various doctrines, two things are revealed, either deep personal seeking within the follower, which will inevitably/eventually lead that type away from erroneous doctrines, for people learn and grow after all, and to grow means to eventually become more aware to doctrines,Or the half seekers, that is, those letting others seek for them (priests/scholars etc)....which ultimately keeps one captive to the various conflicting doctrines. Yet there is still hope for this group in the end. It is just that they will suffer loss in the resurrection as certain scripture alludes to. But God still loves these followers, these are still brethren. And He has promised to save these followers from the various shepherds soon. But not all can hold high positions, so this is why it is so...our station to come is being determined NOW.

so, in spite of what The Apostles said, God DOESN'T WANT US TO HAVE TEACHERS WHO TEACH SOUND DOCTRINE.

He doesn't want us to study under scholars.

He wants us to isolate ourselves with a couple of family members and present Restorationist/Dual Covenant/Dispensational/Christian Zionism Theology as TRUTH, and claim SPECIAL PRIVATE REVELATION.

is that about right?

And here is why the Christian world is so divided and contradictory to each other...unworthy types have "crept" in as teachers, not unknown by God, but unknown by men, hence: crept in. And these types are everywhere in mainstream religion, these shepherds, not all, but most...MOST.. And it is allowed and designed by God. And this will also decide just how accurate ones understanding of Gods written Word will be also. For the more sincere, the greater the measure of Spirit is given. And it is ONLY that Spirit which reveals truth in the written Word clearly. The more Spirit, the less error..the less Spirit...the more error abounds...and if left in this erroneous state too long..IF a haughty spirit is indwelling, these types, we find, that these eventually, which truth they may have...even that truth will be taken away.

you don't see it, since you're wise in your own eyes and the truth is hidden from you...but all of the above APPLIES TO YOU.

And no matter how much these last types may be shown truth...they will never be able to see it. NEVER. They will only see what they think they see. And stranger and stranger doctrines will dominate their hearts and minds...as a witness. And God determines their end.

yes....we've seen in this post that they will do ANYTHING to be right.
they will indeed wax worse and worse.

and their foolish minds will indeed be darkened.

So in conclusion, we see that not all things are yet under Christ..but when they are finally subject to Him entirely...THEN and only then will the complete truth cover the earth. And THEN all of us can be one. I look forward to that day. Amen.

1 Corinthians 15:27
For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

- it's a shame that you didn't just stick to denying that Christ is the one who fulfilled Daniel 9 (not satan in the future); that He is able to bind the strong man and plunder his house, that He has a Kingdom even now and men are pressing into it daily as they repent and believe.

you're actually a far worse heretic than i feared.

you are dangerous to the Church.

 

[Necto]

Zone you say what you see but you're blind! You say that you are rich in your knowledge but you fall into poverty. You put on yourself glasses your insane doctrine. Trying to teach others but do not understand what you teach. You took the teachings of others, and with it the doctrine bear their disastrous mistakes! Your heresy is doomed. Even now, you think you are infallible. You are reading the messages others lightly, superficially at points of your doctrine. After that, you start to treat all, instead of thinking - may be hurting you?

 

[Devolution]

Hebrews 2:8> Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. For in that He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him.

Hebrews 4:8-9> For if Jesus had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

Hebrews 11:16> But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly, wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for He hath prepared for them a city.

John 14:2-3> In My Fathers house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself, that where I am, there ye may be also.

Micah 5:4> Therefore He will give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

Daniel 7:27> And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the Most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall obey Him.

Daniel 7:12> As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Jeremiah 30:10> .......and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.

Isaiah 32:17-18> And the work of righteousness shall be peace, and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever. And My people shall dwell in a peaceable habitation, and in sure dwellings, and in quiet resting places.

Isaiah 32:1> Behold, a King shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.

Isaiah 33:10> Now will I rise, saith the Lord, now will I be exalted, now will I lift up Myself.

Isaiah 33:5-6> The Lord is exalted; for He dwelleth on high, He hath filled Zion with judgment and righteousness. And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of Thy times, and strength and salvation, the fear of the Lord is His treasure.

Isaiah 11:9> They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.

To any who are interested, here are some links that help form the greater picture. Enjoy...

 

[Necto]

Yes it is perfectly obvious fact that the Earth is not under the direct rule of Christ. If there was a direct rule of Christ then it would have been milenium. Humanity is basically rebellion against God and His gospel. Therefore, God must use the old heaven to rule over old ground! When the new heaven will expand and displace the old (the war in heaven), then it's time to cleanse the Еarth, that is, for the coming of Christ to Earth to establish the millennium.

 

[zone]

Yes it is perfectly obvious fact that the Earth is not under the direct rule of Christ. If there was a direct rule of Christ then it would have been milenium. Humanity is basically rebellion against God and His gospel. Therefore, God must use the old heaven to rule over old ground! When the new heaven will expand and displace the old (the war in heaven), then it's time to cleanse the Еarth, that is, for the coming of Christ to Earth to establish the millennium.

you still have humanity rebelling in your 1,000 year future reign. but this time against a visible glorifed Jesus and saints.

sure thing.

 

[zone]

devo.

did you not know that the names JESUS AND JOSHUA ARE THE SAME NAME?

that there is a grievous error is some translations including KJV?

Hebrews 4:8-9> For if Jesus had given them rest, then would He not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

if you understood that Hebrews 4:8 reads:

For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on.

you would have understood that JOSHUA leading the people into The Promised Land was the EARTHLY TYPE pointing forward to JESUS and HIS REST, His Promise of ETERNAL LIFE in the new creation.

you would have understood that "another day later on" referred to Christ's First Coming as Messiah.

you would have wondered why Hebrews says Jesus when you had clearly seen in JOSHUA that the Land promise WAS FULFILLED. and you would have followed up and seen the error.

you would then have understood that The Book of Hebrews, as well as a Book of great blessing for those who believe, is a grave warning to the Hebrews that they NOT REPEAT the sin of their forefathers who died OUTSIDE THE PROMISED LAND DUE TO UNBELIEF.

Hebrews 4:8 is telling THE HEBREWS that the earthly promised land was NOT THEIR REST.

it is warning them not to perish in unbelief.

it is telling them they must believe TODAY.

Joshua's Promised Land was NOT THE PROMISED REST. looking for a future earthly land promise after seeing the Fulfillment in Christ is a travesty and robbery of the true INHERITENCE.

not THE REAL PROMISE WHICH WAS FULFILLED IN CHRIST.

The Promised Land of Joshua 21 was pointing to Jesus.

but since you refuse to read JOSHUA 21 and agree with God that He gave them everything He promised, you would be looking for a future fulfillment of an earthly type, and you would do exactly what you've been doing...skipping RIGHT OVER JESUS CHRIST and His Finished Work, Jesus Christ the fulfillment of all the Promises.

you've run out of things to promise the Hebrews...time to point them, as the writer of Hebrews did, TO JESUS.

Hebrews 4
1Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. 2For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened.a 3 For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said,

“As I swore in my wrath,
‘They shall not enter my rest,’”

although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” 5And again in this passage he said,

“They shall not enter my rest.”

6Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, 7again he appoints a certain day, “Today,” saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted,

“Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts.”

8 For if Joshua had given them rest, Godb would not have spoken of another day later on. 9So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, 10for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from his works as God did from his.

11Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience. 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Jesus the Great High Priest
14Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.


HERE IS THE 'OTHER DAY' GOD SPOKE OF:

Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Isaiah 28:12
to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest"; and, "This is the place of repose"--but they would not listen.

 

[Necto]

you still have humanity rebelling in your 1,000 year future reign. but this time against a visible glorifed Jesus and saints.

sure thing.

Again slander! I'm not saying that the resistance of the people God will in the future millennium. People are now opposed to the gospel so need to gather weeds. So at the moment there is no direct rule of Christ on Earth!

 

[livingbygrace]

Yes it is perfectly obvious fact that the Earth is not under the direct rule of Christ. If there was a direct rule of Christ then it would have been milenium. Humanity is basically rebellion against God and His gospel. Therefore, God must use the old heaven to rule over old ground! When the new heaven will expand and displace the old (the war in heaven), then it's time to cleanse the Еarth, that is, for the coming of Christ to Earth to establish the millennium.

Christ reigns now.

Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
For he must REIGN UNTIL
he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death
For he has put everything under his feet
The last enemy to be destroyed is death
Now when it says that everything has been put under him it is clear that this does not include God Himself who put everything under Christ
When he has done this, then the son himself will become subject to him who put everything under him so that God may be all in all

1 Cor 15:24-28

All authority in Heaven and on earth has been given to me
Matt 28:18

 

[Necto]

Christ reigns now.

Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
For he must REIGN UNTIL
he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death
For he has put everything under his feet
The last enemy to be destroyed is death
Now when it says that everything has been put under him it is clear that this does not include God Himself who put everything under Christ
When he has done this, then the son himself will become subject to him who put everything under him so that God may be all in all

1 Cor 15:24-28

All authority in Heaven and on earth has been given to me
Matt 28:18

You think I do not know about these passages of Scripture? Given the power but not all obeyed this power even in heaven! This is the essence of the conflict! Will be a war! Have not put all enemies under his feet. The direct rule of Christ (millennium) on earth has not yet reached because there is a problem.

 

[livingbygrace]

You think I do not know about these passages of Scripture? Given the power but not all obeyed this power even in heaven! This is the essence of the conflict! Will be a war! Have not put all enemies under his feet. The direct rule of Christ (millennium) on earth has not yet reached because there is a problem.

Not all obeyed God in the OT, but did that mean he did not reign?

Could anything have happened on earth if he did not permit it to happen?

Who was ultimately in charge and control of everything? God, or man?

 

[Necto]

Do not you know that is the direct will of God and is permissible? God admits the rule over sinful earth through the old heavens, which had not yet been replaced.

 

[livingbygrace]

Do not you know that is the direct will of God and is permissible? God admits the rule over sinful earth through the old heavens, which had not yet been replaced.

The Bible is clear. Christ reigns now, but will hand the kingdom over to his Father at the time stated in 1 Cor 15

Matt 28:18

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hebrews 2:7> Thou madest Him a little lower than the angels, Thou crownedst Him with glory and honor, and did set Him over the works of Thy hands.

Here we see Christ has been given all authority by his Father. But not all is as it seems.

I think your taking this wrong. Jesus does have supreme authroity, He always has, What Jesus does not, and has never done, is take away Man's free will. He has is patient as scripture says, and allows things, even evil

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Think about it, If God took away all evil, Who would need Christ, or who would KNOW they needed Christ.

There is a time when God will no longer be slack, when he will repay evil, when he will say enough is enough. When he returns to earth, and sets up his kingdom, wiht Satan bound. Where as scripture says, the lion and sheep will sleep together with no fear. As it was before the fall..

Then again, even then many will deny Christ, (proven by the last great battle when Satan is released)

 

[Red33]

Christ is reigning upon the earth only through those that have been saved by grace and are filled with the Spirit, who are walking in the light and doing the work that they have been called to do in the body of Christ. The church was established to preach the gospel and reveal Christ and Him crucified to the lost in this world, so that God could add to His church such as should be saved (both Jew and Gentile). The church is called to serve and lay down its life. As it does this, God exalts it by giving the church grace and wisdom to walk by, in an ever present evil world.

The kingdom of God is a theocracy with Christ as King and will reign with its own government over all nations and kingdoms of the earth in the future, but the church or body at present has Christ as the head that operates as a theocracy in local areas, but not over other nations and is subject to governments. In that sense, Christ reigns from His throne in heaven over His body on the earth but does not have all authority put under His feet until the Kingdom comes on earth as it is in heaven. It is not the purpose or job of the church, at present, to bring the kingdom of God to govern the earth.

The church will be taken away to heaven for a time to be with Christ, to be judged for her works, receive her new glorified body and be presented as the bride of Christ. She will later come back to earth with her bridegroom at the end of the great tribulation period to judge the nations and establish a rule upon the earth and reign with His bride for 1,000 years. The members of the bride who have their glorified bodies, do not procreate upon the earth, because for her that time is over, but those that make it through the tribulation and the judgment of the nations will be able to marry, procreate and populate the earth for 1,000 years. Satan will be bound in the bottomless pit during this time of reigning so that he will not be able to deceive the nations. At the end of that 1,000 year reign Satan will be loosed again to deceive the nations and they will gather together for one last time of rebellion and anarchy and come up against the saints of the beloved city who will be consumed by fire from heaven.

Then it will be the time of the great white throne judgment when the wicked and all those that were workers of iniquity will be condemned and confined with Satan and his angels to the lake of fire, which is the second death, when death and hell will be also cast into that lake. This will be when we shall see all things will put under His feet and God will create a new heaven and earth. This is referred to as what the eye has not seen nor the ear heard of the things that God had prepared for them that love Him. This is when the grace of God will reign through righteousness unto eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. This is the mercy that we look for unto the coming of the Lord.

Heb 2:7-18

 

[Necto]

The Bible is clear. Christ reigns now, but will hand the kingdom over to his Father at the time stated in 1 Cor 15

Matt 28:18

The Bible is clear, but it does not mean that we understand it's quite clean!

 

[livingbygrace]

Christ reigns from His throne in heaven over His body on the earth but does not have all authority put under His feet until the Kingdom comes on earth as it is in heaven. It is not the purpose or job of the church, at present, to bring the kingdom of God to govern the earth.

This speaks of the NOW

For he must REIGN until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death
FOR HE HAS PUT EVERYTHING UNDER HIS FEET
Now when it says that EVERYTHING has been put under him it is clear that this does not include God Himself who put everything under Christ

All authority in Heaven and on earth has been given to me
Matt 28:18

So

 

[zone]

Not all obeyed God in the OT, but did that mean he did not reign?

Could anything have happened on earth if he did not permit it to happen?

Who was ultimately in charge and control of everything? God, or man?

and herein lies the real foundation of one's beliefs.

 

[Devolution]

Christ is reigning upon the earth only through those that have been saved by grace and are filled with the Spirit, who are walking in the light and doing the work that they have been called to do in the body of Christ. The church was established to preach the gospel and reveal Christ and Him crucified to the lost in this world, so that God could add to His church such as should be saved (both Jew and Gentile). The church is called to serve and lay down its life. As it does this, God exalts it by giving the church grace and wisdom to walk by, in an ever present evil world.

The kingdom of God is a theocracy with Christ as King and will reign with its own government over all nations and kingdoms of the earth in the future, but the church or body at present has Christ as the head that operates as a theocracy in local areas, but not over other nations and is subject to governments. In that sense, Christ reigns from His throne in heaven over His body on the earth but does not have all authority put under His feet until the Kingdom comes on earth as it is in heaven. It is not the purpose or job of the church, at present, to bring the kingdom of God to govern the earth.

Heb 2:7-18

Well spoken Red.

Regards
Devolution