Women in Leadership

[FSUBoy966]

I have seen many posts about women in church leadership, and EVERYONE has a different view on this. It's really interesting to see where everyone stands on female leadership in church, but I want to know from more of a secular aspect of life.

How do you all feel about women having leadership positions outside of the church? Such as CEO's of companies, judges, congresswomen, generals in the army, or even the president/prime minister of your country? I don't think the Bible speaks on this whatsoever, as women did not have opportunity in those times to do such things, at all.

 

[resurrection33]

I have seen many posts about women in church leadership, and EVERYONE has a different view on this. It's really interesting to see where everyone stands on female leadership in church, but I want to know from more of a secular aspect of life.

How do you all feel about women having leadership positions outside of the church? Such as CEO's of companies, judges, congresswomen, generals in the army, or even the president/prime minister of your country? I don't think the Bible speaks on this whatsoever, as women did not have opportunity in those times to do such things, at all.

I like to work for competent people. It doesn’t matter to me if they are men or women. There are lots of incompetent bosses. They make life miserable for their employees. One should be pleased, therefore, to have a competent boss, I think.

Same way for presidents and prime ministers.

 

[VRJ]

FSUBoy966,

I personnally don't have a problem with it, yet..........what are guide is are the scriptures. Are they saying deeper things?

Isaiah 3:12; "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of they paths."

There was an order to creation and even the angels got in trouble when they stepped out of order"

Jude 6: " And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great city."

A lot happened after WWII in that change agents came into our system of education, business. Men that came home from war saw enough of battle. Women for the first time left the home and stayed in the work force and did a great job. Women even trained our military pilots during the war.

I believe as long as they have a spiritual covering, which should be a man as we see in scriptures, then they can move in that covering. I believe men though have become comfortable letting a woman take the lead in many things which God may not want.
More women are in the workforce but I believe the government has so burdened the family today that it takes both to work.
I once asked women at Walmart if they wanted to work and most of the answers I got was they really wished they could stay at home.

We have almost become slaves to our system as it was in Egypt. We have to produce more bricks for the system.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

Women shouldnt be in leadership positions. There to emotional which in turn effects their decisions.

 

[AnandaHya]

Women shouldnt be in leadership positions. There to emotional which in turn effects their decisions.

hey nod's didn't you have a male counterpart on this site too?

i think everyone should do what GOD calls them to do. that if a man or woman wants to stay at home and raise their kids, the option should be made available where a family can survive on one working person's income.

Philippians 3 v. 7-9

"But Christ has shown me that what I once thought was valuable is worthless... I could not make myself acceptable to God by obeying the Law of Moses"

therefore why does the world still live by the Law of Moses, concerning things that Jesus spoke about? He has given us a new convenant where men and women are EQUAL heirs.

Mix in the leaven of the Pharisees if you like but do it knowing that Jesus spoke out against it.

would you still offer blood sacrifices? Jesus is our KING, our ONE Teacher, Pastor and LORD. we are but brethrens seeking to do the will of God in our lives. why the titles. the elevation, the power plays? why all the games and dissension? WHen Jesus told us he has done away with that?

WHen JESUS told us to be great we must become servants to all? To gain power in Heaven we must serve and be slaves to our brethren? How many actually read, listen and live those words?

 

[Red33]

hey nod's didn't you have a male counterpart on this site too?

i think everyone should do what GOD calls them to do. that if a man or woman wants to stay at home and raise their kids, the option should be made available where a family can survive on one working person's income.

Philippians 3 v. 7-9

"But Christ has shown me that what I once thought was valuable is worthless... I could not make myself acceptable to God by obeying the Law of Moses"

therefore why does the world still live by the Law of Moses, concerning things that Jesus spoke about? He has given us a new convenant where men and women are EQUAL heirs.

Mix in the leaven of the Pharisees if you like but do it knowing that Jesus spoke out against it.

would you still offer blood sacrifices? Jesus is our KING, our ONE Teacher, Pastor and LORD. we are but brethrens seeking to do the will of God in our lives. why the titles. the elevation, the power plays? why all the games and dissension? WHen Jesus told us he has done away with that?

WHen JESUS told us to be great we must become servants to all? To gain power in Heaven we must serve and be slaves to our brethren? How many actually read, listen and live those words?

This women, 'NodMyHeadLikeYeah', makes a very objective statement about women's emotions and the role they play in decisions of leadership positions and you go off on her and with all this jargon about the law of Moses, the new covenant, the leaven of the Pharisees and blood sacrifices. You acted like some whirlwind that just came storming in and rip through this thread to convince this poster of what? That she is not living in the will of God as a NT believer? We may be equal heirs but that does not change the fact that the man came first and that the woman was deceived and not the man.

Perhaps it was her emotions that got Eve to pay attention to what the serpent had to show her! Maybe this is the part of her design and framework when she was formed from the side of the man that caused her to give place to the serpent. The man is an initiator and the woman is the responder. The woman's desire will be toward her husband and he will rule over her. Remember the man was NOT made for the woman but the woman WAS made for the man. This does not make a woman inferior but it puts her under her husband and he provides a covering for her and in the church she is in subjection. That is a good thing that God has desiged even before the fall.

Do you consider the possibility that I received this from the Spirit through the preaching and teaching of God's word?

 

[shemaiah]

wow, there is always a war when such a debate comes up.
Simple truth God clearly said man can not be alone, let me make him a helper. Our lives are journey's and God has made for every man, a woman to walk with him and support him.
A woman must submit to the man, if she wants to take up a leadership position, the man must be consulted to see if she is truely capable of leading whichever group in that work.

 

[SantoSubito]

In most positions of secular leadership I'm fine with women having the role of say a CEO, but generals and presidents I think should remain primarily male dominated positions. I say this because generals and presidents are people looked on as a rallying beacon in times of adversity and war. Men are much more suited to project the "Tough as nails" persona needed in times like that. Women on the other hand are inherently "softer" and more consoling, than they are the "Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and kick butt" type.

In Church leadership women have no place whatsoever in the hierarchy deacon, priest, bishop, cardinal, pope, and so on.
They may have positions in an individual parish on the board, but thats as far as it goes. Women are either Religious or lay men.

 

[AnandaHya]

This women, 'NodMyHeadLikeYeah', makes a very objective statement about women's emotions and the role they play in decisions of leadership positions and you go off on her and with all this jargon about the law of Moses, the new covenant, the leaven of the Pharisees and blood sacrifices. You acted like some whirlwind that just came storming in and rip through this thread to convince this poster of what? That she is not living in the will of God as a NT believer? We may be equal heirs but that does not change the fact that the man came first and that the woman was deceived and not the man.

Perhaps it was her emotions that got Eve to pay attention to what the serpent had to show her! Maybe this is the part of her design and framework when she was formed from the side of the man that caused her to give place to the serpent. The man is an initiator and the woman is the responder. The woman's desire will be toward her husband and he will rule over her. Remember the man was NOT made for the woman but the woman WAS made for the man. This does not make a woman inferior but it puts her under her husband and he provides a covering for her and in the church she is in subjection. That is a good thing that God has desiged even before the fall.

Do you consider the possibility that I received this from the Spirit through the preaching and teaching of God's word?

so you believe women are too "emotional" to hold leadership positions? and you consider that an objective statement?

yes i did consider that you receive the message from a SPIRIT but i question the source, since it causes you to have such anger and resentment.

Galatians 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I think women and men should walk in the Spirit of God and do the jobs their innate GOD given talents lead them to do. It does not matter if its leadership or a bus driver or janitor or president IT DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is that it is done for the GLORY OF GOD.

JESUS is our bridegroom and "covers" us. therefore women AND men can do anything in the name of Jesus that aids in the promotion of HIS KINGDOM.

why the power struggle? is it more important for a MAN to be in charge or for JESUS to lead us and guide us through the HOLY SPIRIT?

would you rather a man be pastor who leads the sheep to Hell with his teachings or a woman who preaches the word of God?

would you rather a CEO be male and run the company into the ground before you hire a woman who can save the company and make it profitable?

You logic escapes me and i find it ironic that you call women "emotional" I'm trying to be rational here and the only emotion i feel is pity.

Show me logic, Show me bible scriptures and I will ask God and pray for answers to why this is a contention in the church. Let God be the judge. Don't worry I would never dream of becoming a teacher or pastor or whatever to MEN. I am a woman who knows her place. I only speak to other women and CHILDREN of God.

God told me not to throw pearls before swine and not to speak to demons but simply to rebuke them. I will add not talking to "men" either I guess.

apologize to the thread from now on I will remember my place and only address the women and children of God.

by the way look at nod's profile: how can she/he be both a mom and a dad?

 

[shemaiah]

AnandAHya and Red33, you too better have a talk and reconcile. I hate it when people get into arguements, it hurts me to see such, i wont say anything else, i just want unity and peace to prevail whereever there is a bible discussion. God bless

 

[luv]

Leadership has heartache, sleepless night and overwhelming criticism – it is a big job to be a leader. I have not had the spiritual call to be a leader, but I will say that it was from strong female leaders that I found my place with God. I am grateful and humbled by the many people who have touched my life both men and women, but most importantly Jesus.

Jesus came to the earth as a sovereign king and he came as a humble leader who washed the feet of his disciples and he took joy in serving people. He walked among the less fortunate rather than rubbing shoulders with the elite. Women have a place at the helm of Jesus’s work, if that were not true he would have banished women from his presence (Martha and Mary – Luke 10:41). He even called on the children to be a part of his ministry. Jesus came to give us something more that rules or religion – he came to give us life. The greatest commandment does not mention gender. A leader who loves God is a leader I can trust.

This is where my heart lies based on the previous comments in this thread:

Titus 2:3 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good…

1 Corinthians 11-12 Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God.

1 Corinthians 14:39- 40 Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.

The Pharisees took offence to Jesus healing on the Sabbath - Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?” When I hear people who dispute the role of female leaders, I can’t help but think of Mark 7: 9 And he (Jesus) continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

Sorry for hijacking your thread and being long-winded (I really talk too much) – to answer the question, I trust a leader that inspires me regardless of gender. The enemy is the devil (not women) - The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I (Jesus) have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. John 10:10

If a woman is a leader that brings people closer to the Lord and helps to save a life – is that not good?

I thank God for leading me to the Bible references, because I’m embarrassed to admit that it didn’t come from my own knowledge, but a feeling that women are important - What Does the Bible Say About Women Preaching? | eHow.com

 

[Red33]

AnandAHya and Red33, you too better have a talk and reconcile. I hate it when people get into arguements, it hurts me to see such, i wont say anything else, i just want unity and peace to prevail whereever there is a bible discussion. God bless

I know exactly what is in your heart, but we can not have unity in the faith through compromise. Our love must always abound more and more according to knowledge and all judgment (Phil 1:9). Remember that no matter what it looks like on the outside, God looks upon the heart (1Sam 16:7) and that is where He deals with us. The heart is where we hide the word of God (Ps 119:11,130) and where it is to dwell richly with all wisdom and knowledge (Col 1:9, 2:3, 3:16). Keep your eye upon Christ and believe the best no matter what it looks like and do not be discouraged, because even when our heart entertains some form of condemnation, God is greater than our heart (1Jn 3:20).

 

[gospelofchrist]

My view on this is, I believe that men and women should be leaders in and outside of church. So many time we act like kids arguing whether or not a woman or man is quallified to do a certain job... when it really doesn't matter what they want to do. First of all God made us free moral agents to choose freely.Second there are people who are lost,and some that don't even know about God-but we would rather sit around and argue about things that really don't matter one way or another. I know right now some of you are ready to knock me out cold... but realy we should be out witnessing to others about God then talking about something that may never be setteled. God put enough men and women on this earth to reach this lost and dying world.
because We are NOT the church of tomorrow...WE ARE THE CHURCH OF TODAY!!!

 

[paulnsilas]

Women shouldnt be in leadership positions. There to emotional which in turn effects their decisions.

thats true

 

[myrusyarn]

Hi
If I can add something here I want to say what I see comes from this arguement. Usually people debate this topic and exclude people or cause them to feel like the lesser sex. We must affirm the fact that we are created equal in the sight of God. Eschatologically (in heaven) we will be equal before God as well. But our functions are described in Scripture are different. They have been made so that man and woman would perfectly complement each other in their love and devotion to God by occupying different roles. Rather than seeing it as a limitation, try to see it as a God given opportunity. Men are given to Holy responsibility to care for, and love women. Women are naturally the child bearers, that does not make them inferior, infact it makes them blessed, that they have the blessing of motherhood. Men that want to be that simply can't. In the same way there are roles which men, for many generations, have held with honour. It is their God given responsbility (as childbearing and loving compassion are the responsbilities and gifts given to women). This is an order set out for our time in earth, this will be totally transformed when "all things are made new". For the mean time though, lets affirms that no matter where we stand on this topic we are not speaking inferiority upon anyone. We are rather saying that our VALUE is the same but our functionality is DIFFERENT.

Ryan
Soli Deo Gloria

 

[Crazy4GODword]

well AnandaHya

back then when people didn't want women as leaders was because of this problem. They acted very different then men back then (and still do no offense ).
but the Lord calls on those male-female Jew-Gentile anyone to be a child of God and God can use women for leadership.

 

[NodMyHeadLikeYeah]

so you believe women are too "emotional" to hold leadership positions? and you consider that an objective statement?

yes i did consider that you receive the message from a SPIRIT but i question the source, since it causes you to have such anger and resentment.

Galatians 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,[c] fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders,[d] drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

I think women and men should walk in the Spirit of God and do the jobs their innate GOD given talents lead them to do. It does not matter if its leadership or a bus driver or janitor or president IT DOES NOT MATTER. What matters is that it is done for the GLORY OF GOD.

JESUS is our bridegroom and "covers" us. therefore women AND men can do anything in the name of Jesus that aids in the promotion of HIS KINGDOM.

why the power struggle? is it more important for a MAN to be in charge or for JESUS to lead us and guide us through the HOLY SPIRIT?

would you rather a man be pastor who leads the sheep to Hell with his teachings or a woman who preaches the word of God?

would you rather a CEO be male and run the company into the ground before you hire a woman who can save the company and make it profitable?

You logic escapes me and i find it ironic that you call women "emotional" I'm trying to be rational here and the only emotion i feel is pity.

Show me logic, Show me bible scriptures and I will ask God and pray for answers to why this is a contention in the church. Let God be the judge. Don't worry I would never dream of becoming a teacher or pastor or whatever to MEN. I am a woman who knows her place. I only speak to other women and CHILDREN of God.

God told me not to throw pearls before swine and not to speak to demons but simply to rebuke them. I will add not talking to "men" either I guess.

apologize to the thread from now on I will remember my place and only address the women and children of God.

by the way look at nod's profile: how can she/he be both a mom and a dad?

I dont know why your tryin to fight this. Your a woman just as i am. You know how we can get sometimes, We dont really have the ability to compartmentalize. You know very well that our emotions control us sometimes.

Women cry to much, we sulk, throw ourselves pity partys while we sit down in front of lifetime television and eat a tub of ice cream. We can be very irrational, overly sensitivie.

i dont want someone like that running things, i mean do you think obama is sittin up in the white house cryin cause half of america hates him.

Personally i just feel better when men are in leadership positions cause i know they have the ability to make decisions without letting their feelings take control.

 

[AnandaHya]

I dont know why your tryin to fight this. Your a woman just as i am. You know how we can get sometimes, We dont really have the ability to compartmentalize. You know very well that our emotions control us sometimes.

Women cry to much, we sulk, throw ourselves pity partys while we sit down in front of lifetime television and eat a tub of ice cream. We can be very irrational, overly sensitivie.

i dont want someone like that running things, i mean do you think obama is sittin up in the white house cryin cause half of america hates him.

Personally i just feel better when men are in leadership positions cause i know they have the ability to make decisions without letting their feelings take control.

Mr. Mom by Lonestar Music Video on Yahoo! Music

That's my answer Mr.He/she

 

[gospelofchrist]

I dont know why your tryin to fight this. Your a woman just as i am. You know how we can get sometimes, We dont really have the ability to compartmentalize. You know very well that our emotions control us sometimes.

Women cry to much, we sulk, throw ourselves pity partys while we sit down in front of lifetime television and eat a tub of ice cream. We can be very irrational, overly sensitivie.

i dont want someone like that running things, i mean do you think obama is sittin up in the white house cryin cause half of america hates him.

Personally i just feel better when men are in leadership positions cause i know they have the ability to make decisions without letting their feelings take control.

Just to say, back in the time of King Ahab, he did pretty much everything that you just said that women do. It was actually his wife Jezebel(even though was evil) took control and pretty much ruled the kingdom at that time. And also Queen Elisabeth ruled a good nation herself. Women fought for the rights to vote and all that and then some women want to use the rights and others dont.

 

[stone]

I have seen many posts about women in church leadership, and EVERYONE has a different view on this. It's really interesting to see where everyone stands on female leadership in church, but I want to know from more of a secular aspect of life.

How do you all feel about women having leadership positions outside of the church? Such as CEO's of companies, judges, congresswomen, generals in the army, or even the president/prime minister of your country? I don't think the Bible speaks on this whatsoever, as women did not have opportunity in those times to do such things, at all.

im totally against it. yet i dont expect sinners to behave according to the word