a great multitude came out of great tribulation.

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rev.7:9--14.
v9. after this i beheld, and lo,a great multitude,which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds,and people,and tongues,stood before the throne and before the lamb,clothed with white robes,and palms in their hands:
v10. and cried with a loud voice saying salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne and unto the lamb.
v11. and all the angels stood round about the throne,and about the elders and the four beast,and fell before the throne on their faces and worshipped God.
v.12.saying,amen: blessing,and glory and wisdom,and thanksgiving,and honour and power,and might,be unto our God for ever and ever.amen.v.13. and one of the elders answered,saying unto me,what are these,which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? v14. and i said unto him,sir, thou knowest.and he said unto me,these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes,and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
question: who are these multitude,of all nations and tongues,that came out of great tribulation?(are they the pre trib.raptured?)
great multitudes has come out of great tribulation? please explain??

''wakeup''.
 
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rev.7:9--14.
v9. after this i beheld, and lo,a great multitude,which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds,and people,and tongues,stood before the throne and before the lamb,clothed with white robes,and palms in their hands:
v10. and cried with a loud voice saying salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne and unto the lamb.
v11. and all the angels stood round about the throne,and about the elders and the four beast,and fell before the throne on their faces and worshipped God.
v.12.saying,amen: blessing,and glory and wisdom,and thanksgiving,and honour and power,and might,be unto our God for ever and ever.amen.v.13. and one of the elders answered,saying unto me,what are these,which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? v14. and i said unto him,sir, thou knowest.and he said unto me,these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes,and made them white in the blood of the lamb.
question: who are these multitude,of all nations and tongues,that came out of great tribulation?(are they the pre trib.raptured?)
great multitudes has come out of great tribulation? please explain??

''wakeup''.
The angel gave the answer. This is ONLY those who came out of tribulation (which would not include those who came before).

And notice, it is those who come out of GREAT tribulation. Not just tribulation, as we have today
 
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These verses are telling us that there's a great purging taking place of a group of people called the Multitude. They are of a great number from all nations, kindreds, people and tongues. They are from all over the world.

They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. They come out of great tribulation such as not since the beginning of the world to this time, no nor ever shall be...Matthew 24:21,22.

Revelation 2:18-23(church of Thyatira) says that the angel has a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Zezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants...Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation..

It says that the Lord will cast "her" into a bed and them that commit fornication "with her" into great tribulation. This would probably be referring to the harlot church system. The "who are these" (spiritually) that are fornicating with this system. Those who do not love Truth and believing lies.

Let's look at their robes: (we will be seeing two groups of people with robes)

Revelation 6:9-11; "When he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? (11)and white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled." This group had robes but were dirty, spotted and blemished. They had to wash them to get the defilement out. This represents unrighteousness but they have paid the price with their testimony.

Revelation 19:7,8; "Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (8) And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints." This group is already wearing linen that is clean and white. This represents that they all ready are righteous.
Ephesians 5:27; "That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing: but that it should be holy and without blemish.

WHY WOULD THE MULTITUDE NEED TO WASH THEIR ROBES?

These are people that love God in their hearts but have been led astray.

Daniel 11:34,35; "Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Daniel 12:10; "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and non of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

Malachi 3:2,3; "But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: and he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness." Isaiah 1:25-27 says he will purge away the dross. dross is good for nothing. Silver must be heated to extreme tempature (tribulation)

The Lord has purchased us with His Blood. He paid the price. The people being addressed in these verses are not paid for, in fact it says they have to buy from the Lord, gold and white raiment. Which indicates they are lacking something.

Revelation 3:18-20; "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of they nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

It seems that this is telling us that prior to this they were not walking in the truth and wake up in the great tribulation. He is now knocking to invite them to the supper since they missed the wedding. This story is also seen in Matthew 25 of the ten virgins. Five wise go into the wedding and are the bride(sealed) but the five foolish have to go buy to get into the supper. Isaiah 55:1; Song of Soloman 1:7.

This is all telling us some are in correct doctrine and some are believing in lies and we are to come out of the lies.
 
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The angel gave the answer. This is ONLY those who came out of tribulation (which would not include those who came before).

And notice, it is those who come out of GREAT tribulation. Not just tribulation, as we have today

yes; those followers back then also have gone through tribulation,so in other words,all that went through tribulation.

good one.
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yes; those followers back then also have gone through tribulation,so in other words,all that went through tribulation.

good one.
''wakeup''.
Thats not how I read it. They did not go through GREAT tribulation. Thus they will not be at this resurrection. I think the word "great" should not be misread, it seperates the "great tribulation" if daniels trouble from regular tribulation Christians go through on a daily basis.
 
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Thats not how I read it. They did not go through GREAT tribulation. Thus they will not be at this resurrection. I think the word "great" should not be misread, it seperates the "great tribulation" if daniels trouble from regular tribulation Christians go through on a daily basis.

those saints that wre killed and fed to the lions they also went through their tribulation must not forget them.
 
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those saints that wre killed and fed to the lions they also went through their tribulation must not forget them.
No one has gone through the "great tribulation" yet. for it has not yet happened.
 
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No one has gone through the "great tribulation" yet. for it has not yet happened.

to be stoned to death; burned at the stake; fed to the lions; is that not great tribulation to them? although i understand what you are saying.
that the last day great tribulation is to come,but in rev.7:14. is speaking of all that have gone to tribulation. those saints back then; all included.God is not leaving them behind,just becaue they are from the past. take care.


''wakeup''.
 
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to be stoned to death; burned at the stake; fed to the lions; is that not great tribulation to them? although i understand what you are saying.
that the last day great tribulation is to come,but in rev.7:14. is speaking of all that have gone to tribulation. those saints back then; all included.God is not leaving them behind,just becaue they are from the past. take care.


''wakeup''.
Well thats just it. They were resurrected before the great tribulation. When they met Jesus in the clouds, Received their glorified bodies and rewards. Some even sit in the throne room with Christ when he openes the seals. (24 elders)
 
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Well thats just it. They were resurrected before the great tribulation. When they met Jesus in the clouds, Received their glorified bodies and rewards. Some even sit in the throne room with Christ when he openes the seals. (24 elders)


what about john? he was still on the isle of patmos in the flesh when he saw the vision.
 
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Well thats just it. They were resurrected before the great tribulation. When they met Jesus in the clouds, Received their glorified bodies and rewards. Some even sit in the throne room with Christ when he openes the seals. (24 elders)
This one has me stumped. It only says that the 24 elders are before the throne. Not the rest. It was a vision dont forget. We dont know exactly when these 24 elders were resurrected. Could these be the firstfruits? Or separate? Remember there are only 144,000 firstfruits and these are the first to be resurrected at Christs coming. These ones didn't have to wash their robes white, as white robes were given to them and these ones were the ones who followed the lamb wherever he went. I'm not so clear on this 24 elders one. It is still a mystery to me.
Regards
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This one has me stumped. It only says that the 24 elders are before the throne. Not the rest. It was a vision dont forget. We dont know exactly when these 24 elders were resurrected. Could these be the firstfruits? Or separate? Remember there are only 144,000 firstfruits and these are the first to be resurrected at Christs coming. These ones didn't have to wash their robes white, as white robes were given to them and these ones were the ones who followed the lamb wherever he went. I'm not so clear on this 24 elders one. It is still a mystery to me.
Regards
Journey


yes journey, you have not got the answer have you,well seek and you shall find.

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what about john? he was still on the isle of patmos in the flesh when he saw the vision.

What about him? He saw the vision of what was to come. Thats all
, so I don't understand your question.
 
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This one has me stumped. It only says that the 24 elders are before the throne. (/quote]
I believe he saw a literal 24. But I think it is symbolic. 12 from each tribe, and 12 apostles. I think They represents OT Israel and the Church

Not the rest. It was a vision dont forget. We dont know exactly when these 24 elders were resurrected. Could these be the firstfruits? Or separate? Remember there are only 144,000 firstfruits and these are the first to be resurrected at Christs coming.

Can I ask where you get this. I have never heard this before. I am curious


These ones didn't have to wash their robes white, as white robes were given to them and these ones were the ones who followed the lamb wherever he went.
Still not sure what you mean


 
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What about him? He saw the vision of what was to come. Thats all, so I don't understand your question.

well, was john not amongst the 24 elders? he was still in the flesh,when he saw the vision. he was still alive.
 
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Well thats just it. They were resurrected before the great tribulation. When they met Jesus in the clouds, Received their glorified bodies and rewards. Some even sit in the throne room with Christ when he openes the seals. (24 elders)

when the little book was opened, this is to reveal what is going to happen in the future, no one is resurected then. the resurection will only happen at the 7th trump; the coming. not before.
 
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Well thats just it. They were resurrected before the great tribulation. When they met Jesus in the clouds, Received their glorified bodies and rewards. Some even sit in the throne room with Christ when he openes the seals. (24 elders)

only 24 resurected? the ones meeting the lord in the clouds are the 144000. only.
 
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[
quote=wakeup;411803]well, was john not amongst the 24 elders? he was still in the flesh,when he saw the vision. he was still alive.
[/QUOTE]Ooh, good one. That may be one little piece of this puzzle.
 
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only 24 resurected? the ones meeting the lord in the clouds are the 144000. only.
Again, I ask where this comes from,. You guys are not JW's are you?