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O.K you post-tribbers, tell me what you think of these two scriptures: 
Mark 13:34-36
"Watch out! Don't let me find you living in careless ease and drunkenness, and filled with the worries of this life. Don't let that day catch you unaware, as in a trap. For that day will come upon everyone living on the earth. Keep a constant watch. And pray that, if possible, you may escape these horrors and stand before the Son of Man."
Why would Jesus have us pray to escape the horrors of the tribulation if it wasnt a possibility? Makes no sense.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 You know quite well that the day of the Lord will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. When people are saying, "All is well; everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall upon them as suddenly as a woman's birth pains begin when her child is about to be born. And there will be no escape.
Do you really think people will be saying "all is well" induring the tribulation? I dont think so.
Luke 9:26
"No one knows the day or the hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. "When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah's day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn't realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
When you study what it was like in Noahs day it sounds more like the times we are in now than what it will be like in the tribulation. I dont think there will be many parties during tribulation. It will be horrible beyond all things that have ever been seen. One more reason to think He will take us back before. I believe the rapture and the second coming are two diffent events.
There are many other scirptures to back this up, not to mention Gods past history of saving his people from wrath. Rejoice in this good news and be ready! Live every day as if you knew He were coming back tomorrow. It may be days, weeks, or years, but His promises are true and our future is bright.
Mark 13:34-36
"Watch out! Don't let me find you living in careless ease and drunkenness, and filled with the worries of this life. Don't let that day catch you unaware, as in a trap. For that day will come upon everyone living on the earth. Keep a constant watch. And pray that, if possible, you may escape these horrors and stand before the Son of Man."
Why would Jesus have us pray to escape the horrors of the tribulation if it wasnt a possibility? Makes no sense.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 You know quite well that the day of the Lord will come unexpectedly, like a thief in the night. When people are saying, "All is well; everything is peaceful and secure," then disaster will fall upon them as suddenly as a woman's birth pains begin when her child is about to be born. And there will be no escape.
Do you really think people will be saying "all is well" induring the tribulation? I dont think so.
Luke 9:26
"No one knows the day or the hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows. "When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah's day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn't realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes.
When you study what it was like in Noahs day it sounds more like the times we are in now than what it will be like in the tribulation. I dont think there will be many parties during tribulation. It will be horrible beyond all things that have ever been seen. One more reason to think He will take us back before. I believe the rapture and the second coming are two diffent events.
There are many other scirptures to back this up, not to mention Gods past history of saving his people from wrath. Rejoice in this good news and be ready! Live every day as if you knew He were coming back tomorrow. It may be days, weeks, or years, but His promises are true and our future is bright.
#1 We are to watch so that we will know the season of Christ return. If the rapture is signless and sudden, then why or what are we to be watching for?
#2 1st Thess 4:15-17 does not say what you say it says i think you meant 1st Thess 5:5 and that is referring to wicked people not righteous.
#3 the day no man knows the day or hour of is the return of Christ which we know via Matthew 24:29-31 is immediately after Tribulation.
Your question....
4a. What event occurs, leading the Jews to their conversion after being in unbelief for 1000s of years?
4b. When did that event happen in reference to the tribulation?
The answer depends on which Jews you are referring to The 144,000 or the rest of them.
If you are referring to the 144,000 I am not sure what converts them scripture seems to be silent on that, any guess I or you would give would be an unscriptural assumption, and as far as when they will convert it seems the be right before the four angels are released to hurt the earth.
Now if you are referring to the rest of the Jews they come to Christ as He is returning, because they realize during His decent that they were wrong and He is indeed the Messiah they have been waiting for.
4a. What event occurs, leading the Jews to their conversion after being in unbelief for 1000s of years?
4b. When did that event happen in reference to the tribulation?
The answer depends on which Jews you are referring to The 144,000 or the rest of them.
If you are referring to the 144,000 I am not sure what converts them scripture seems to be silent on that, any guess I or you would give would be an unscriptural assumption, and as far as when they will convert it seems the be right before the four angels are released to hurt the earth.
Now if you are referring to the rest of the Jews they come to Christ as He is returning, because they realize during His decent that they were wrong and He is indeed the Messiah they have been waiting for.
the only ones that are in danger of complaining and falling away, are the ones that think they will never suffer , and even if you were right about Jesus speaking out of order and in a confusing manner, the Bible still never says that the christians will not suffer and be spared or that they wil be caught up before the tribulation.
there are no literal 144,000 jews. Revelations is symbolic (See things like "voice of many waters" or "beast with 10 heads and each head had 8 eyess etc). Also, many problems arise with teh list of trbes if it were literal (see youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNAJfvjNLO8&feature=channel_page )
if you are new to teh BIble adn need me to provide verses that teach these things, tell em which one and il post ( ididnt feel like looking for verses for ALL the points since you should already know the answer so atleast some of them)
if you are new to teh BIble adn need me to provide verses that teach these things, tell em which one and il post ( ididnt feel like looking for verses for ALL the points since you should already know the answer so atleast some of them)
B
What makes you think I am not suffering now?
Jesus did not speak in a confusing manner. We all need His wisdom in understanding His words since often He spoke in parables, but in this case, He was answering three questions put to Him.
Matthew 24: 1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
3 questions: it is up to the Lord to reveal which answer applies to what question and how.
Matthew 24:23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Consider this application... Lo.. the Spirit of God is moving in Toronto Canada There... the Spirit of God is moving in Pensacola Florida. Were there not signs and wonders there that many believers fell for it? So as to His actual coming... there is no going to a place for coming to God for that particular event is at the battle of Armegeddon at His actual coming.
Since the falling away of the faith was to occur first.... the perilous times we are living in now... judgment must fall on the House of God first. So how can that happen if He is coming back with the saints to deal with those at the battle of Armegeddon first? Therefore the leaving behind of the follish virgins and the prodigal sons must occur first. As Jesus taught excommunication.. putting out the trespassing brother unto Satan to the destruction of the flesh... so will those left behind go through the great tribulation.
Matthew 24 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
So after the tribulation of those days... not the great tribulation... that is yet to come..
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
We see here the phrase "And then..." but this is where I believe He is stating a prior event to the event in verse 29, otherwise, that would be one huge sign for anybody to miss and thus preparing for the following sign of the Son of man in heaven, right? Then He goes onto to the next event of those left behind as they will mourn.. and yet in the same breath... the gathering of the elect, the sheep that heard His voice and followed Him.
So the disciples are geared up for the signs of that event thus Jesus is speaking of what shall lead up to it.
Matthew 24: 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Suspense is building as the falling away of the faith has occurred in how wayward believers are giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils... ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2)
Matthew 24: 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
So who entered the ark? The elect. What were the signs besides the falling away of the faith? They were able to buy and sell.... otherwise they would not be able to be eating or drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.. so the rapture of the elect.. those that are ready since only a few will be as prophesied by the Lord in Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30... thus the necessity for the all those wayward saints left behind for falling away from the faith. Judgment must fall on the House of God first.... then the Lord coming back with the saints as He will deal with those gathered at Armegeddon.
Matthew 24: 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Another proof that it is not during the great tribulation... believers will be able to work still. So how can that be when all must have the mark to buy and sell and to work and be a part of the NWO?
Matthew 24: 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues when there is only one baptism of the Holy Spirit and that happens at salvation... broadens the Way in approaching God the Father and thus a work of iniquity by not coming to the Son for life. many will cast this "religious spiritual guantlet" for others to jump through and condemn others as being a dead church if they don't, but all the promises of God are yes in Christ Jesus as all invitations for life is to come to the Son. By taking after the rudiment found in the world, they are opening themselves up to receive another spirit and thus suffering a thief to break through... and their houses have fallen and are broken up as they are "slain in the spirit" and doing body twitchings and convulsions and other chaotic responses lacking self control adding to the confusion... but referring to the analogy of a house being broken up.
Matthew 24: 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Both Matthew 7:13-27 and Luke 13:24-30 both emphasizes the heeding of His words in avoiding false prophets and false spirits in coming to God the Father in worship.. and that is through the Son only. This warning given to believers is to keep narrowing the way back to the straight gate: Jesus Christ and not allowed anyone to broaden the way for anyone to climb up to God other than through the Son.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
So we are living in the "perilous times" now which will lead to the judgment on the House of God first at the rapture event for the Lord to restore the wayward to the path of righteousness for His name's sake. Many shall die in the great tribulation as they will be given rest from their labours as their works goes into the dust as the despensation of the Gospel will go back to the Jews, the 144,000 witnesses.
So, yes, I expect the appearing of our Lord and Saviour before His actual second coming at the battle of Armegeddon... because judgment must fall on the House of God first.
1 Peter 4:16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Thus verse 20 below signifies the seperation between the vessels of honour( the elect) and the vessels of dishonour as pertaining to those left behind, but even then Jesus shall finish His work in them.
2 Timothy 2:19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Timothy 2:11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
So may the Lord have all those that hear His voice, be ready to go when He calls as it is to His glory.
Jesus did not speak in a confusing manner. We all need His wisdom in understanding His words since often He spoke in parables, but in this case, He was answering three questions put to Him.
Matthew 24: 1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
3 questions: it is up to the Lord to reveal which answer applies to what question and how.
Matthew 24:23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Consider this application... Lo.. the Spirit of God is moving in Toronto Canada There... the Spirit of God is moving in Pensacola Florida. Were there not signs and wonders there that many believers fell for it? So as to His actual coming... there is no going to a place for coming to God for that particular event is at the battle of Armegeddon at His actual coming.
Since the falling away of the faith was to occur first.... the perilous times we are living in now... judgment must fall on the House of God first. So how can that happen if He is coming back with the saints to deal with those at the battle of Armegeddon first? Therefore the leaving behind of the follish virgins and the prodigal sons must occur first. As Jesus taught excommunication.. putting out the trespassing brother unto Satan to the destruction of the flesh... so will those left behind go through the great tribulation.
Matthew 24 29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
So after the tribulation of those days... not the great tribulation... that is yet to come..
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
We see here the phrase "And then..." but this is where I believe He is stating a prior event to the event in verse 29, otherwise, that would be one huge sign for anybody to miss and thus preparing for the following sign of the Son of man in heaven, right? Then He goes onto to the next event of those left behind as they will mourn.. and yet in the same breath... the gathering of the elect, the sheep that heard His voice and followed Him.
So the disciples are geared up for the signs of that event thus Jesus is speaking of what shall lead up to it.
Matthew 24: 32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Suspense is building as the falling away of the faith has occurred in how wayward believers are giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils... ( 1 Timothy 4:1-2)
Matthew 24: 36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
So who entered the ark? The elect. What were the signs besides the falling away of the faith? They were able to buy and sell.... otherwise they would not be able to be eating or drinking, marrying and giving in marriage.. so the rapture of the elect.. those that are ready since only a few will be as prophesied by the Lord in Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30... thus the necessity for the all those wayward saints left behind for falling away from the faith. Judgment must fall on the House of God first.... then the Lord coming back with the saints as He will deal with those gathered at Armegeddon.
Matthew 24: 40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Another proof that it is not during the great tribulation... believers will be able to work still. So how can that be when all must have the mark to buy and sell and to work and be a part of the NWO?
Matthew 24: 43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues when there is only one baptism of the Holy Spirit and that happens at salvation... broadens the Way in approaching God the Father and thus a work of iniquity by not coming to the Son for life. many will cast this "religious spiritual guantlet" for others to jump through and condemn others as being a dead church if they don't, but all the promises of God are yes in Christ Jesus as all invitations for life is to come to the Son. By taking after the rudiment found in the world, they are opening themselves up to receive another spirit and thus suffering a thief to break through... and their houses have fallen and are broken up as they are "slain in the spirit" and doing body twitchings and convulsions and other chaotic responses lacking self control adding to the confusion... but referring to the analogy of a house being broken up.
Matthew 24: 44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Both Matthew 7:13-27 and Luke 13:24-30 both emphasizes the heeding of His words in avoiding false prophets and false spirits in coming to God the Father in worship.. and that is through the Son only. This warning given to believers is to keep narrowing the way back to the straight gate: Jesus Christ and not allowed anyone to broaden the way for anyone to climb up to God other than through the Son.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
So we are living in the "perilous times" now which will lead to the judgment on the House of God first at the rapture event for the Lord to restore the wayward to the path of righteousness for His name's sake. Many shall die in the great tribulation as they will be given rest from their labours as their works goes into the dust as the despensation of the Gospel will go back to the Jews, the 144,000 witnesses.
So, yes, I expect the appearing of our Lord and Saviour before His actual second coming at the battle of Armegeddon... because judgment must fall on the House of God first.
1 Peter 4:16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Thus verse 20 below signifies the seperation between the vessels of honour( the elect) and the vessels of dishonour as pertaining to those left behind, but even then Jesus shall finish His work in them.
2 Timothy 2:19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Timothy 2:11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
So may the Lord have all those that hear His voice, be ready to go when He calls as it is to His glory.
im not gonna read all that. but just to destroy some of the points i read. teh 2 grinding , one taken one left, actually refers to some people being killed while others living "For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." . it should actually be "vultures" , but eagles makes it sound like a nice thing and thus allows you to twist what it says to mean "salvation of good people" instead of "death and judgment" . You have a very ilacking understanding of the "tribulation" period. the "tribulation" actually includes a large portion of peacful times with peopel doing what they want and carrying on with their daily lives , but then God will unleash pleages on the earth that will kil a third of the peopel on earth . so there will 2 people and one will be taken and another left . and no, you are not living in "perilous times" . fat american christians think that a recession and having to cut the premium cable channels is "suffering" . There are many christians that lived in "perilous times" such as the dark ages, that wouldve loved to trade places with you.
B
I went with the context of the passage and you went with applying it to Revelation.
All I can say is that unless you repent of your fornication, you will go into the great tribulation period for God the Father shall scourge every child He receives.
Hebrews 12th chapter with 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 Count on it.
All I can say is that unless you repent of your fornication, you will go into the great tribulation period for God the Father shall scourge every child He receives.
Hebrews 12th chapter with 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 Count on it.
B
Nope. Single.. never married.... virgin.. but I did sow to the flesh and the Lord delivered me from it and all the rationalization that I was under, the church was under, and the world, but the Lord reproved me by the scripture. That ought to tell you something, but then again, maybe not. Below is the reason why and also why pre-marital sex ( fornication) cannot be permitted for you have been bought with a price.
Romans 8: 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
1 Corinthians 6:14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
May God cause the increase.
Romans 8: 1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
1 Corinthians 6:14And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.
15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
May God cause the increase.
I'm Pan-tribulation...it will all pan out in the end
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Sex is a union between two people. It is only permitted in marriage when God joins the two to become one flesh. That is when she belongs to you and you belong to her. Your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit and thus joining with another outside the marriage covenant is making your body a member of a harlot.... no matter how you look at it.
Reread those passages again and ask yourself how that can be applied if pre-marital sex was allowed? It could not be applied then if it was allowed. So you are ignoring His Word.
Reread those passages again and ask yourself how that can be applied if pre-marital sex was allowed? It could not be applied then if it was allowed. So you are ignoring His Word.
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I'm Pan-tribulation...it will all pan out in the end
Those that hear His voice will follow Him and those that have gone astray, The Lord will come back for them to finish His work in them so that they may be witnesses of Him and partakers of His Holiness.
You won't ask me that question! You said you could answer my questions but they were irrelevant. It sounds like you have been double-minded about this subject and others, and your insecurity has made you dogmatic in your understanding of a false premise. For some strange reason, you want the 'rapture' to be a false teaching and you will say anything to make it so. You need to be concerned for yourself and seriously examine your motives, your methods and the premise for your understanding to keep you rightly related to God in the right faith.
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I believe in the pre trib because it is the biblical truth. You can be sad and concern for me all you want, I really don't care. Are we saved by grace not by works but by faith? Seem like you want to force me to what you want me to believe. Will that make you happy if I change what I believe what you believe?