יְהוָה Is The Cause Of Deception
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God does NOT deceive anymore then He tempts. Man deceives and the devil. You would make God to be equal to Satan, King of lies?
James 1:12-14 (New King James Version)
Loving God Under Trials
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
I would be careful with your words. You would judge and accuse others pointing to people who reject instead of building up and speaking of the positive you wish to tear down what has already been built. Perhaps it is not your intention but to believe that God deceives people leads to the conclusion that God is no better than Satan, why does He punish if HE was the deceiver to begin with??? It is a lie, a snare the devil has planted. you should uproot it from your heart. I say this out of love and though it may sound harsh, God's word cuts like a blade to the very heart of us. God corrects His children out of love. So that we may be more like Him.
Matthew 12:36-37 (New King James Version)
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Jesus is the cornerstone of our faith. Do you want to waste time talking about people who rejected Him or try and build the living Church we are meant to be?
Do you want to point fingers or do you want to talk about ACTING and SPEAKING as the Body of CHrist today?
YouTube - God's Creation Part 1
James 1:12-14 (New King James Version)
Loving God Under Trials
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
I would be careful with your words. You would judge and accuse others pointing to people who reject instead of building up and speaking of the positive you wish to tear down what has already been built. Perhaps it is not your intention but to believe that God deceives people leads to the conclusion that God is no better than Satan, why does He punish if HE was the deceiver to begin with??? It is a lie, a snare the devil has planted. you should uproot it from your heart. I say this out of love and though it may sound harsh, God's word cuts like a blade to the very heart of us. God corrects His children out of love. So that we may be more like Him.
Matthew 12:36-37 (New King James Version)
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Jesus is the cornerstone of our faith. Do you want to waste time talking about people who rejected Him or try and build the living Church we are meant to be?
Do you want to point fingers or do you want to talk about ACTING and SPEAKING as the Body of CHrist today?
YouTube - God's Creation Part 1
1 Then came certain of the elders of Israel unto me, and sat before me. 2 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying , 3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart, and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be enquired of at all by them? 4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the LORD will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols; 5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols. 6 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Repent , and turn yourselves from your idols; and turn away your faces from all your abominations. 7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to enquire of him concerning me; I the LORD will answer him by myself: 8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel. 10 And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him; 11 That the house of Israel may go no more astray from me, neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions; but that they may be my people, and I may be their God, saith the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 14:1-11)
This response isn't by any means a rebuttal, since it accords with what I've been going over so far. In each case, when the Lord invokes deception among the people, it is a result of their own sin or disbelief, and this theme is recurrent throughout all of the passages in scripture which address this issue. It's not as though I claimed God deceived them for no reason; just the opposite. That which He does is according to His righteous ways, which are past finding out (Romans 11:33), and this includes deceiving the wicked.
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
24 This is the day the Lord has made; We will rejoice and be glad in it. (Psalm 118:24)
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
This response isn't by any means a rebuttal, since it accords with what I've been going over so far. In each case, when the Lord invokes deception among the people, it is a result of their own sin or disbelief, and this theme is recurrent throughout all of the passages in scripture which address this issue. It's not as though I claimed God deceived them for no reason; just the opposite. That which He does is according to His righteous ways, which are past finding out (Romans 11:33), and this includes deceiving the wicked.
1 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! (2 Timothy 3:1-5)
24 This is the day the Lord has made; We will rejoice and be glad in it. (Psalm 118:24)
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
Says who? Did you not read the scripture I just posted which clearly says that He does?
They (man and the devil) do so in a sinful manner, not in the righteous manner of the Lord, who "kills and makes alive" (1 Samuel 2:6). When "the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5), and He decided to "destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth" (Genesis 6:7), do we then say that God does not kill, only man and the devil kills? Of course not. The devil "was a murderer from the beginning,"
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. (John 8:44)
but not so with God, who killed them in righteousness, because they were wicked. Similarly, when the Law of Moses demanded death for the commission of a capital offense, such as working on the sabbath, did this violate God's command, "You shall not kill?" Certainly not.
What should be recognized is that it a particular action is not always inherently sinful in and of itself, but rather depends on its context. The fact that God does something, such as killing, does not, as you suggest, bring Him down to the level of a murderer; for He does indeed kill, but "in Him there is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5).
No clue what you're talking about here.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, (Romans 9:19-23)
As it says in the verses I posted previously, the Lord deceived them because "they did not receive the love of the truth" (2 Thessalonians 2:10), because they "did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thessalonians 2:12). In other words, He only deceived the wicked, those who had already rejected Him and took pleasure in unrighteousness.
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' " (Matthew 4:4)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)
They (man and the devil) do so in a sinful manner, not in the righteous manner of the Lord, who "kills and makes alive" (1 Samuel 2:6). When "the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Genesis 6:5), and He decided to "destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth" (Genesis 6:7), do we then say that God does not kill, only man and the devil kills? Of course not. The devil "was a murderer from the beginning,"
44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. (John 8:44)
but not so with God, who killed them in righteousness, because they were wicked. Similarly, when the Law of Moses demanded death for the commission of a capital offense, such as working on the sabbath, did this violate God's command, "You shall not kill?" Certainly not.
What should be recognized is that it a particular action is not always inherently sinful in and of itself, but rather depends on its context. The fact that God does something, such as killing, does not, as you suggest, bring Him down to the level of a murderer; for He does indeed kill, but "in Him there is no darkness at all" (1 John 1:5).
No clue what you're talking about here.
19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, (Romans 9:19-23)
As it says in the verses I posted previously, the Lord deceived them because "they did not receive the love of the truth" (2 Thessalonians 2:10), because they "did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thessalonians 2:12). In other words, He only deceived the wicked, those who had already rejected Him and took pleasure in unrighteousness.
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' " (Matthew 4:4)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)
11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. (Ephesians 5:11)
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16)
Scripture is the word of God, so trusting scripture is trusting the Lord. If you don't trust scripture, you don't trust the Lord.
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' " (Matthew 4:4)
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. (Acts 20:27)
35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), (John 10:35)
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. (James 1:21)
I have said it plain. What in the world are you talking about?
We must believe God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." (Romans 4:3)
I'm neither a prophet nor deceived. If you want to know who is deceived, scroll up and read my previous posts. I've already covered that and I don't see why I should explain it again if you haven't read my previous posts when I've already done so twice.
Scripture is the word of God, so trusting scripture is trusting the Lord. If you don't trust scripture, you don't trust the Lord.
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.' " (Matthew 4:4)
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)
4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, (2 Corinthians 10:4-5)
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2 Timothy 2:15)
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)
27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. (Acts 20:27)
35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), (John 10:35)
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls. (James 1:21)
I have said it plain. What in the world are you talking about?
We must believe God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." (Romans 4:3)
I'm neither a prophet nor deceived. If you want to know who is deceived, scroll up and read my previous posts. I've already covered that and I don't see why I should explain it again if you haven't read my previous posts when I've already done so twice.
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Loving God Under Trials
12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
I would be careful with your words. You would judge and accuse others pointing to people who reject instead of building up and speaking of the positive you wish to tear down what has already been built.
No clue what you're talking about here.
that is because Your GOD is a deceiver and is blinding you to the truth. many others will know what I'm referring to. They who are already deceived and lead astray do not listen to God but to the Deceiver who is Satan. So you can say whatever but GOD DOES NOT TEMPT OR DECEIVE.
if your god does then we are not worshiping the same God.
those passages show that they already rejected God and were already deceived because if they were not they would have HEARD and SEEN and turned to be HEALED.
Are you listening? Are you SEEING the words on the page are will you wander farther down the road of legalistics?
you can't just reject scripture because you don't understand it, you should read it again and pray for its true meaning. I'm not telling you to believe ME. I'm telling to believe GOD"S WORDS.
let it cut the bonds of illusions that holds you, Let GOD"S RIGHTEOUSNESS stand and stop slandering the name of God.
He is not a deceiver but Lucifer is, and he too claims to be "God" and he appears to people as an angel of LIGHT in his false glory,
You can tell its him because eventually he will tell you to IGNORE parts of the Bible that don't make sense to you and don't fit into the lies he is telling you.
Dear Lord, it is in Your hands, the message is delivered. Please be merciful and send you grace. In Jesus name we pray, amen
. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
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12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
I would be careful with your words. You would judge and accuse others pointing to people who reject instead of building up and speaking of the positive you wish to tear down what has already been built.
No clue what you're talking about here.
that is because Your GOD is a deceiver and is blinding you to the truth. many others will know what I'm referring to. They who are already deceived and lead astray do not listen to God but to the Deceiver who is Satan. So you can say whatever but GOD DOES NOT TEMPT OR DECEIVE.
if your god does then we are not worshiping the same God.
those passages show that they already rejected God and were already deceived because if they were not they would have HEARD and SEEN and turned to be HEALED.
Are you listening? Are you SEEING the words on the page are will you wander farther down the road of legalistics?
you can't just reject scripture because you don't understand it, you should read it again and pray for its true meaning. I'm not telling you to believe ME. I'm telling to believe GOD"S WORDS.
let it cut the bonds of illusions that holds you, Let GOD"S RIGHTEOUSNESS stand and stop slandering the name of God.
He is not a deceiver but Lucifer is, and he too claims to be "God" and he appears to people as an angel of LIGHT in his false glory,
You can tell its him because eventually he will tell you to IGNORE parts of the Bible that don't make sense to you and don't fit into the lies he is telling you.
Dear Lord, it is in Your hands, the message is delivered. Please be merciful and send you grace. In Jesus name we pray, amen
. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.
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3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:3-4)
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
take these two verses for instance. now ask yourself who is "the god of this age"? hint its not GOD and its not JESUS. "god" is misleading in that it refers to a being
ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ Β΄ 4:4 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church
ἐν οἷς ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου ἐτύφλωσε τὰ νοήματα τῶν ἀπίστων εἰς τὸ μὴ αὐγάσαι αὐτοῖς τὸν φωτισμὸν τοῦ εὐαγγελίου τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ Θεοῦ.
here just read the article:
How is Satan god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)?
"The phrase “god of this world” (or “god of this age” [NKJV]) indicates that Satan is the major influence on the mind-set expressed by the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. His areas of influence also encompass the world’s philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and false religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions."
now do you see that you are attributing qualities to GOD that are meant to be referring to SATAN?
apologies if my last post came off harsh but its not you but the idea that you present that offends me. I think you are trying to find the truth but the devil is pervasive and would even mislead the elect if he can.
4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. (2 Corinthians 4:4)
take these two verses for instance. now ask yourself who is "the god of this age"? hint its not GOD and its not JESUS. "god" is misleading in that it refers to a being
ΠΡΟΣ ΚΟΡΙΝΘΙΟΥΣ Β΄ 4:4 Greek NT: Greek Orthodox Church
ἐν οἷς ὁ θεὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος τούτου ἐτύφλωσε τὰ νοήματα τῶν ἀπίστων εἰς τὸ μὴ αὐγάσαι αὐτοῖς τὸν φωτισμὸν τοῦ εὐαγγελίου τῆς δόξης τοῦ Χριστοῦ, ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ Θεοῦ.
here just read the article:
How is Satan god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)?
"The phrase “god of this world” (or “god of this age” [NKJV]) indicates that Satan is the major influence on the mind-set expressed by the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. His areas of influence also encompass the world’s philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and false religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions."
now do you see that you are attributing qualities to GOD that are meant to be referring to SATAN?
apologies if my last post came off harsh but its not you but the idea that you present that offends me. I think you are trying to find the truth but the devil is pervasive and would even mislead the elect if he can.
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What's misleading about it?
I think we've already been over this.
The fact that Satan deceives does not imply that God does not do so. That's a logical fallacy. This is also something I just went over in my previous posts. Go back up and check it out.
If you do not believe that He is the cause of deception, keep in mind that
3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." (Romans 4:3)
It is very important that we believe God, whether or not it comports with our own understanding or preconceived notions.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; (Proverbs 3:5)
God does not Himself lie, but He does send deceiving spirits.
19 Then Micaiah said, "Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, 'Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, 'I will persuade him.' 22 The Lord said to him, 'In what way?' So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the Lord said, 'You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.' 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you." (1 Kings 22:19-23)
18 Then Micaiah said, "Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing on His right hand and His left. 19 And the Lord said, 'Who will persuade Ahab king of Israel to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, 'I will persuade him.' The Lord said to him, 'In what way?' 21 So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the Lord said, 'You shall persuade him and also prevail; go out and do so.' 22 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you." (2 Chronicles 18:18-22)
The purpose? That Ahab would be deceived into thinking he would prevail in war, when in reality he would die.
I think we've already been over this.
The fact that Satan deceives does not imply that God does not do so. That's a logical fallacy. This is also something I just went over in my previous posts. Go back up and check it out.
If you do not believe that He is the cause of deception, keep in mind that
3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness." (Romans 4:3)
It is very important that we believe God, whether or not it comports with our own understanding or preconceived notions.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; (Proverbs 3:5)
God does not Himself lie, but He does send deceiving spirits.
19 Then Micaiah said, "Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, 'Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, 'I will persuade him.' 22 The Lord said to him, 'In what way?' So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the Lord said, 'You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.' 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you." (1 Kings 22:19-23)
18 Then Micaiah said, "Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing on His right hand and His left. 19 And the Lord said, 'Who will persuade Ahab king of Israel to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?' So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 20 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, 'I will persuade him.' The Lord said to him, 'In what way?' 21 So he said, 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And the Lord said, 'You shall persuade him and also prevail; go out and do so.' 22 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you." (2 Chronicles 18:18-22)
The purpose? That Ahab would be deceived into thinking he would prevail in war, when in reality he would die.
Thank you for the explanation here. However, I am aware that the god of this age is the devil.
This idea that the universe is a sort of cosmic battleground between God and the devil is grossly mistaken. God is sovereign, and His power is absolute. Satan is allowed to exist only by His will and according to His plan. He does whatever He pleases.
3 But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases. (Psalm 115:3)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1:16)
Like all things, the devil was created by God, through God, and for God.
11 "You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created." (Revelation 4:11)
The devil exists and was created by the will of the Lord.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (Colossians 1:17)
The devil consists in the Lord.
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Romans 11:36)
The devil is of God, through God, and to God, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, (Hebrews 1:3)
The devil is upheld by the word of His power.
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; (Ephesians 3:9)
God created the devil through Jesus Christ.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, And see who has created these things, Who brings out their host by number; He calls them all by name, By the greatness of His might And the strength of His power; Not one is missing. (Isaiah 40:26)
This idea that the universe is a sort of cosmic battleground between God and the devil is grossly mistaken. God is sovereign, and His power is absolute. Satan is allowed to exist only by His will and according to His plan. He does whatever He pleases.
3 But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases. (Psalm 115:3)
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1:16)
Like all things, the devil was created by God, through God, and for God.
11 "You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created." (Revelation 4:11)
The devil exists and was created by the will of the Lord.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. (Colossians 1:17)
The devil consists in the Lord.
36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. (Romans 11:36)
The devil is of God, through God, and to God, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, (Hebrews 1:3)
The devil is upheld by the word of His power.
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; (Ephesians 3:9)
God created the devil through Jesus Christ.
26 Lift up your eyes on high, And see who has created these things, Who brings out their host by number; He calls them all by name, By the greatness of His might And the strength of His power; Not one is missing. (Isaiah 40:26)
My God is the God of the Bible. Hence the reason I have been supporting my statements with scripture.
Like I said, I agree with this. However, if you read the passages, you will see that God perpetuated what they had already begun. In other words, those who turned away from God, He kept the truth from them. I can understand how this seems strange, but consider this: We know that no man seeks God, that all have turned aside and become corrupt (please read Psalm 14 and Romans 3). So, if nobody seeks God, how do they find Him? By their selves? No. We cannot save ourselves, and in fact we cannot even contribute in any way to our own salvation. God saves us.
With that in mind, it begins to make more sense. Knowing that it is God who works in us to salvation, and knowing that faith comes through hearing the truth (Romans 10:17), we know that if those who did not believe and had turned away from the truth were to hear the truth and understand it, even they might turn away from their wickedness, because righteousness comes not from man but from the power of God. So, God keeps the truth from the wicked, because He knows that His power is effective, so effective that it can save even those who do not believe, but His purpose is to save those who believe, not those who don't.
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)
I could say the same to you, but the only way we (or anyone) can come to agree about God's word is to go to the scriptures and figure out what they say. Telling each other to believe the scriptures, when we both say that we do, isn't going to do any good.
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)
And again, that is my point, that we should believe the whole counsel of God.
27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. (Acts 20:27)
Like I said, I agree with this. However, if you read the passages, you will see that God perpetuated what they had already begun. In other words, those who turned away from God, He kept the truth from them. I can understand how this seems strange, but consider this: We know that no man seeks God, that all have turned aside and become corrupt (please read Psalm 14 and Romans 3). So, if nobody seeks God, how do they find Him? By their selves? No. We cannot save ourselves, and in fact we cannot even contribute in any way to our own salvation. God saves us.
With that in mind, it begins to make more sense. Knowing that it is God who works in us to salvation, and knowing that faith comes through hearing the truth (Romans 10:17), we know that if those who did not believe and had turned away from the truth were to hear the truth and understand it, even they might turn away from their wickedness, because righteousness comes not from man but from the power of God. So, God keeps the truth from the wicked, because He knows that His power is effective, so effective that it can save even those who do not believe, but His purpose is to save those who believe, not those who don't.
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:17)
I could say the same to you, but the only way we (or anyone) can come to agree about God's word is to go to the scriptures and figure out what they say. Telling each other to believe the scriptures, when we both say that we do, isn't going to do any good.
3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints. (Jude 3)
And again, that is my point, that we should believe the whole counsel of God.
27 For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God. (Acts 20:27)
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I did not say I do not trust scripture, you took away words. I said do you really trust the Lord or YOUR ideas of the scripture. Does Jesus talk to you? Do you hear him clearly? Hasn't he spoken to you? Jesus cannot be fully contained in the Bible, neither has he.
God is not of the bible, the bible is of God. You have it backwards. All things are made by him. But the creature is never greater than the creator, neither can the bible be greater than Jesus Christ. Neither is it the path to heaven, neither can it give you a relationship with God.
God is not of the bible, the bible is of God. You have it backwards. All things are made by him. But the creature is never greater than the creator, neither can the bible be greater than Jesus Christ. Neither is it the path to heaven, neither can it give you a relationship with God.
2 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, Who walk in a way that is not good, According to their own thoughts; (Isaiah 65:2)
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; (Proverbs 3:5)
I've posted the scriptures, and I don't need to bring my own ideas into it in order to know what they say. What they mean is what they say. It's not hard. If scripture says, "But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him" (1 Samuel 16:14), what does that mean? It means that the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. Now how hard was that?
So, what do the scriptures mean? They mean what they say. I'm not sure why people have so much trouble with this.
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; (Proverbs 3:5)
I've posted the scriptures, and I don't need to bring my own ideas into it in order to know what they say. What they mean is what they say. It's not hard. If scripture says, "But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him" (1 Samuel 16:14), what does that mean? It means that the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. Now how hard was that?
So, what do the scriptures mean? They mean what they say. I'm not sure why people have so much trouble with this.