The mystery of the 7 candlesticks and the 7 stars.
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My friend the early church is men.
I am a part of the church today. Which means this letter was written to me also. It is written to the church until the church dies. So why is it impossible to believe Jesus used the 7 literal churches in that day to show the history of the church? since it was written to ALL the church.
Look at thew first Church. It completely resembles the church in the apostolic age.
Look at the last church. They are not even a real church. They are a church which God said he will "SPIT THEM OUT" which means there is no one who is saved in that church period. does that look like the church in the days of revelation. or like the final apostate church in the world system?
Not to mention if these are 7 literal churches it destroys your theory of "one church since the beginning" because here are 7 different churches. we could easily call them 7 denominations. Proving the church has not been one since the apostles.
either way you translate it. the doctrines of men you follow are shown to be in error. and your listening to men, not the word of God.
I am a part of the church today. Which means this letter was written to me also. It is written to the church until the church dies. So why is it impossible to believe Jesus used the 7 literal churches in that day to show the history of the church? since it was written to ALL the church.
Look at thew first Church. It completely resembles the church in the apostolic age.
Look at the last church. They are not even a real church. They are a church which God said he will "SPIT THEM OUT" which means there is no one who is saved in that church period. does that look like the church in the days of revelation. or like the final apostate church in the world system?
Not to mention if these are 7 literal churches it destroys your theory of "one church since the beginning" because here are 7 different churches. we could easily call them 7 denominations. Proving the church has not been one since the apostles.
either way you translate it. the doctrines of men you follow are shown to be in error. and your listening to men, not the word of God.
One body, one Church, and one Spirit. Ephesians 4:4 These seven churches were temporarily a part of the one Church, and according to the letters in Revelation 1,2, 3, these were ancient churches in Asia that no longer exist. Their problems were limited to the Christians of the first century. In view of God's judgment upon Judaism in 70 AD with the destruction of the Jewish temple and the cessation of the Jewish animal sacrifices in the temple. Christ now is the only sacrifice for sin(s). Only Christ's blood saves from sin; animal blood never saved anyone from their sins: it was a tutor, God was teaching Israel that the Lamb of God, the Messiah, would need to be sacrificed, to take away the sins of the world. Take care. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
now what about the 7angels? did GOD rebuke 7 literal angels? no.
the mystery of the 7angels: are the 7flames that are burning; they all are different in strength. in other words,(angels are messengers) the 7messages of the churches,every one their own quality of preaching.this is the mystery of the 7candlesticks and the 7stars. i think we should all dig deep in knowledge,and forget the quibbling: correcting using scripture, yes. thank you brothers, may God bless you all.
''wakeup.''
Pray to God for the truth of this.
there is STARS and LAMP STANDS.
you are mixing the two. the stars watch the lamps, the stars exist in the SPIRITUAL world and you need to be GIFTED by the Holy Spirit for SPIRITUAL EYES of Discernment of Spirits.
if it is not literal then what is it? if you don't take this verse literal then should we not take the other verse in a similar manner? hmmm????
do you really want to open that door and invite the spirit knocking on that window in? because though it looks shiny and "holy" it is not.
It is not figurative the seven Angels exist. How many continents/territories are there in the earth?
N. America, S. America (central divided between the two), Europe, N. Asia, S. Asia, Africa, Austrulia (spelling is off but don't have time to look it up)
I'll match it up with each angel and candlestick for you later, but you get the general idea. Got to go teach some high school kids science lol
Have a blessed day and remember to SMILE and PRaise GOD. Blessings to all my brothers and sisters in Christ.
the mystery of the 7angels: are the 7flames that are burning; they all are different in strength. in other words,(angels are messengers) the 7messages of the churches,every one their own quality of preaching.this is the mystery of the 7candlesticks and the 7stars. i think we should all dig deep in knowledge,and forget the quibbling: correcting using scripture, yes. thank you brothers, may God bless you all.
''wakeup.''
Pray to God for the truth of this.
there is STARS and LAMP STANDS.
you are mixing the two. the stars watch the lamps, the stars exist in the SPIRITUAL world and you need to be GIFTED by the Holy Spirit for SPIRITUAL EYES of Discernment of Spirits.
if it is not literal then what is it? if you don't take this verse literal then should we not take the other verse in a similar manner? hmmm????
do you really want to open that door and invite the spirit knocking on that window in? because though it looks shiny and "holy" it is not.
It is not figurative the seven Angels exist. How many continents/territories are there in the earth?
N. America, S. America (central divided between the two), Europe, N. Asia, S. Asia, Africa, Austrulia (spelling is off but don't have time to look it up)
I'll match it up with each angel and candlestick for you later, but you get the general idea. Got to go teach some high school kids science lol
Have a blessed day and remember to SMILE and PRaise GOD. Blessings to all my brothers and sisters in Christ.
dont forget ananda,it says mystery , if angels, is meant to be tranlated as literal,than it wont be a mystery. it is good to check everything,if it is true or false.
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dont forget ananda,it says mystery , if angels, is meant to be tranlated as literal,than it wont be a mystery. it is good to check everything,if it is true or false.
which sound literal to me. but i can see that people don't really want to hear what I have to say of the topic.
the seven church exist today, the seven angels still guide them. you can mark their existence by the historical attacks on each church body.
Demonic attacks on Each modern day church:
north America = Trail of tears, building of Great American railroad
Europe = Holocaust/ Nazi genocide
Africa/middle east = happening right now, Iraq genocides
N. Asia = USSR communist camps, Afghanistan
S. Asia = Khmer Rouge genocide
South America and Austrilia = need to study more history sorry
I don't know i'm still studying it to see if I believe the message or not but that was what was revealed to me and it wasn't through books.
Message by a being claiming to be an angels of our Lord Jesus Christ:
there are seven angels under the direction of Jesus Christ in Heaven TODAY and they control the Earthly church and have divided dominion over the earth into Seven Territories and the demons that plagued the early church during the writing of Revelations also still plague the modern day church.
NO mention of seven eras of church history or figurative language.
but hey i think angels and demons walk around and talk to people so. I'm a literal type of person when it comes to those things in the Bible. Jesus didn't "figuratively" cast out demons did He?
are we to "figuratively" to follow Him and His words?
Friend,
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Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Myth of the Seven Church Ages
"A Refutation of William Marion Branham" (regarding The Seven Church Ages)
January 19, 2009 by Ken Jacobsen
A Refutation of William Marrion Branham
Take care.
In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
hi scott, the 7churches are not 7literal churches,they are operating even now,today.
there are hundreds if not thousands of churches today,but not all the same.
lets say they are all divided into 7 groops, groop1--the weakest. groop2, the not so weak ------ and so on: groop7 is the worst:the last groop are very rich in goods but empty in knowledge,there fore they are blind,and naked.
''wakeup''.
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hi scott, the 7churches are not 7literal churches,they are operating even now,today.
there are hundreds if not thousands of churches today,but not all the same.
lets say they are all divided into 7 groops, groop1--the weakest. groop2, the not so weak ------ and so on: groop7 is the worst:the last groop are very rich in goods but empty in knowledge,there fore they are blind,and naked.
''wakeup''.
there are hundreds if not thousands of churches today,but not all the same.
lets say they are all divided into 7 groops, groop1--the weakest. groop2, the not so weak ------ and so on: groop7 is the worst:the last groop are very rich in goods but empty in knowledge,there fore they are blind,and naked.
''wakeup''.
General Titus commanded the Roman army and desecrated the Jewish temple, and caused the Jewish animal sacrifices to cease. This was God's judgment upon this group of Jews, for they were disobeying God by continuing to offer animal sacrifices, when Christ
had already been sacrificed in Jerusalem upon the Cross as the Lamb of God Who taketh away the sins of the world, as the Atonement for sin for all people, especially for all people who believe in Him, the gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ (JOHN 3:16).
No. Revelation was fulfilled shortly, even in 70 AD. Only Revelation 21 and 22 deal with future events, but most of Revelation is history. If any of Revelation still remains to be fulfilled in the future, it will become clear only when those events unfold. As it is, it is a sealed book until any future end times. Much of the action takes place in the prayers of the saints in heaven, and not all upon the earth. It is a victory song for Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, Who becomes the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Revelation did shortly take place (cf. Rev. 1:1), not thousands of years of seven church ages. That is not biblical or correct in any way, shape, or form!
the "mystery" was concerning the lamps and the stars and were "revealed" by an "angel" to be churches and angels
which sound literal to me. but i can see that people don't really want to hear what I have to say of the topic.
the seven church exist today, the seven angels still guide them. you can mark their existence by the historical attacks on each church body.
Demonic attacks on Each modern day church:
north America = Trail of tears, building of Great American railroad
Europe = Holocaust/ Nazi genocide
Africa/middle east = happening right now, Iraq genocides
N. Asia = USSR communist camps, Afghanistan
S. Asia = Khmer Rouge genocide
South America and Austrilia = need to study more history sorry
I don't know i'm still studying it to see if I believe the message or not but that was what was revealed to me and it wasn't through books.
Message by a being claiming to be an angels of our Lord Jesus Christ:
there are seven angels under the direction of Jesus Christ in Heaven TODAY and they control the Earthly church and have divided dominion over the earth into Seven Territories and the demons that plagued the early church during the writing of Revelations also still plague the modern day church.
NO mention of seven eras of church history or figurative language.
but hey i think angels and demons walk around and talk to people so. I'm a literal type of person when it comes to those things in the Bible. Jesus didn't "figuratively" cast out demons did He?
are we to "figuratively" to follow Him and His words?
which sound literal to me. but i can see that people don't really want to hear what I have to say of the topic.
the seven church exist today, the seven angels still guide them. you can mark their existence by the historical attacks on each church body.
Demonic attacks on Each modern day church:
north America = Trail of tears, building of Great American railroad
Europe = Holocaust/ Nazi genocide
Africa/middle east = happening right now, Iraq genocides
N. Asia = USSR communist camps, Afghanistan
S. Asia = Khmer Rouge genocide
South America and Austrilia = need to study more history sorry
I don't know i'm still studying it to see if I believe the message or not but that was what was revealed to me and it wasn't through books.
Message by a being claiming to be an angels of our Lord Jesus Christ:
there are seven angels under the direction of Jesus Christ in Heaven TODAY and they control the Earthly church and have divided dominion over the earth into Seven Territories and the demons that plagued the early church during the writing of Revelations also still plague the modern day church.
NO mention of seven eras of church history or figurative language.
but hey i think angels and demons walk around and talk to people so. I'm a literal type of person when it comes to those things in the Bible. Jesus didn't "figuratively" cast out demons did He?
are we to "figuratively" to follow Him and His words?
all the angels are holy,jesus was not rebuking literal angels: 7angels, no.
the 7candlesticks are the 7churches: what good is a candlestick without flame?
the flame(the churches fire that is burning, are all not burning equally; some stronger than others) we know that the word angel means messenger.
so the7angels=the 7messages of each church. some are fair, some are not good, and some are bad, and so on.
Dear wakeup, If there are 7 groups of "churches" spanning 2000 years, what do you do with Revelation 1:1: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants - things which must shortly take place" (emphasis added). What do you do with the "shortly take place", if these prophecies of 7 churches took thousands of years to fulfill? Does not shortly mean that, shortly. Doesn't it mean in the first century AD, in John's own time, even before 70 AD when the Jewish temple was destroyed? Doesn't Revelation make sense as a New Testament document, fortelling the end of the OT system of animal sacrifices and the destruction of the Jewish temple, and the ending of the sacrifice of animals in the Jewish rabbis who still served in the Jewish temple in Jerusalem, a generation (40 years) after the death of Jesus Christ our LORD GOD and Saviour in 30 AD? Christ said "this generation shall not pass" till all these things be fulfilled. He foresaw the destruction of the Jewish temple by the Roman army in 70 AD.
General Titus commanded the Roman army and desecrated the Jewish temple, and caused the Jewish animal sacrifices to cease. This was God's judgment upon this group of Jews, for they were disobeying God by continuing to offer animal sacrifices, when Christ
had already been sacrificed in Jerusalem upon the Cross as the Lamb of God Who taketh away the sins of the world, as the Atonement for sin for all people, especially for all people who believe in Him, the gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ (JOHN 3:16).
No. Revelation was fulfilled shortly, even in 70 AD. Only Revelation 21 and 22 deal with future events, but most of Revelation is history. If any of Revelation still remains to be fulfilled in the future, it will become clear only when those events unfold. As it is, it is a sealed book until any future end times. Much of the action takes place in the prayers of the saints in heaven, and not all upon the earth. It is a victory song for Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, Who becomes the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Revelation did shortly take place (cf. Rev. 1:1), not thousands of years of seven church ages. That is not biblical or correct in any way, shape, or form!
General Titus commanded the Roman army and desecrated the Jewish temple, and caused the Jewish animal sacrifices to cease. This was God's judgment upon this group of Jews, for they were disobeying God by continuing to offer animal sacrifices, when Christ
had already been sacrificed in Jerusalem upon the Cross as the Lamb of God Who taketh away the sins of the world, as the Atonement for sin for all people, especially for all people who believe in Him, the gift of eternal life in Jesus Christ (JOHN 3:16).
No. Revelation was fulfilled shortly, even in 70 AD. Only Revelation 21 and 22 deal with future events, but most of Revelation is history. If any of Revelation still remains to be fulfilled in the future, it will become clear only when those events unfold. As it is, it is a sealed book until any future end times. Much of the action takes place in the prayers of the saints in heaven, and not all upon the earth. It is a victory song for Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, Who becomes the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Revelation did shortly take place (cf. Rev. 1:1), not thousands of years of seven church ages. That is not biblical or correct in any way, shape, or form!
Those who teach "seven church ages" teach the doctrine of men, and not the doctrine of God. These letters in the book of Revelation to the 7 churches were for seven churches in ancient Asia, and not for all of Church history. Take care.
the churches today have the same character as them back then.
some are waeker than others and some are dead.
all the angels are holy,jesus was not rebuking literal angels: 7angels, no.
the 7candlesticks are the 7churches: what good is a candlestick without flame?
the flame(the churches fire that is burning, are all not burning equally; some stronger than others) we know that the word angel means messenger.
so the7angels=the 7messages of each church. some are fair, some are not good, and some are bad, and so on.
the 7candlesticks are the 7churches: what good is a candlestick without flame?
the flame(the churches fire that is burning, are all not burning equally; some stronger than others) we know that the word angel means messenger.
so the7angels=the 7messages of each church. some are fair, some are not good, and some are bad, and so on.
The angels are messengers of God. The angels of God are holy and not corrupt. They were sent to do a job...Give a message. To who? those churches (people) who are serving God. Yes those churches were around in Johns day, but it says
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be here.
In other words, write the whole vision of everything I'm showing you. It's got meaning and is important to my servants that want to be accepted by me.
God divides the world into two groups. The sheep & the goats. Your either for God or against.
But with these churches that are supposed to represent him, he has got particular & catagorised into groups because there are so many churches, but in Gods eyes, they hold certain similar traits.
So he's telling his holy angels to warn the churches (people) of their error. To repent...to change. These churches hold different spirits. Not the angels, for they are holy. These churches have some spirit of truth, but they have been contaminated by a different spirit as well. The spirit in those churches is not purely Gods, because they are doing abominations. They are being decieved. These are all people worshiping God and whether they go to a church or not, they will belong to one of these groups. They have to anylise their beliefs and practises. This is a big warning for any christian.
My question is when did the book of Revelation get distributed? Did these letters actually reach those churches back then? Wasn't John on an island in Patmos in chains? Isn't Patmos near Greece? I cant find anywhere how these letters were delivered? Unless I've missed it. I think this message was mainly for us. It's a spiritual letter. God is spirit and those who worship him, worship in spirit & truth. It's a different language. Things are done differently when he's dealing with us. It's all spiritual. So to say the letters are just for those churches back then and ignore the warnings.. could be detrimental to our salvation.
So whats more important is to find out why certain churches hold certain traits. The doctrine of Balaam? What is that? These are christian churches. These people are singing & praising God. They are inviting new members and traveling the earth to get them into their belief. And who are those that hold or hate the deeds of the Nicolatians? What is that? God is not happy with them whatever it is. Jezebel? Who's she. She's teaching & seducing Gods servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed to idols? Christians dont fornicate, and we dont eat things sacrificed to idols, so what is God talking about? We have to go deeper & find out what it all means and not be a part of it.
So Jesus holds the 7 stars in his right hand which are his 7 angels sent to deliver a message to his 7 churches, which are the 7 candlesticks, and the flame is burning according to what spiritual truth & dedication they have. If the church is dim, then it's going to burn out, and the one that is bright, thats the one that we want to belong to. Not a physical church but worshiping in spirit and truth and having an abundance of spiritual knowledge to not be decieved and miss out on our reward.
Thats how I understand it, and thanks for refreshing me, because if it was so straight forward then it wouldn't be a mystery. It's the message thats a mystery. Thats the one we have to work out. The meaning of the stars and the candlesticks were all explained by Jesus, not a mystery. It's the message.
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all the angels are holy,jesus was not rebuking literal angels: 7angels, no.
the 7candlesticks are the 7churches: what good is a candlestick without flame?
the flame(the churches fire that is burning, are all not burning equally; some stronger than others) we know that the word angel means messenger.
so the7angels=the 7messages of each church. some are fair, some are not good, and some are bad, and so on.
the 7candlesticks are the 7churches: what good is a candlestick without flame?
the flame(the churches fire that is burning, are all not burning equally; some stronger than others) we know that the word angel means messenger.
so the7angels=the 7messages of each church. some are fair, some are not good, and some are bad, and so on.
above is a link to a thread I started because its too long for this one, it is what I think Revelations REVEAL but hey I could be wrong. Just watch the news and see God reveal Himself.
Let God be right and all men bow to His greatness. Lord be merciful they do not know what they speak, In Jesus name, we pray Amen.
church 1. The loveless church (Europe they have turned from their first love: Jesus to martyrs and saints, etc)
church 2: The persecuted church (Africa/ middle east yeah you can read that in the news the deaths, etc)
church 3: Compromising church (s. america mixing with vodoo practices, etc)
church 4: The corrupt church (S. Asia mixed with Fulan Gong, new age spiritualism)
church 5: the dead church (N. Asia, don't know much about it but the Orthodox church i've heard doesn't sound like good fruit and their light seems like darkness)
church 6: the faithful church (australia, don't know much about the church there)
church 7: the lukewarm church (N. America, people want to be "nice" and most ride the fence about a lot of things either of literalness of the Bible, its completeness, or the fullness of spiritual gifts)
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what has it got to do with all that? the temple was destroyed in
70ad; the revelation was revealed after 70ad. the letters to the churches are to the
7literal churches at that time in asia minor, but it is for us churches to lurn: to which one
of them does your church identify. how is the flame burning(what is the message) is it
alive; or stale; or dead.
70ad; the revelation was revealed after 70ad. the letters to the churches are to the
7literal churches at that time in asia minor, but it is for us churches to lurn: to which one
of them does your church identify. how is the flame burning(what is the message) is it
alive; or stale; or dead.
Dear wakeup: How do you know Revelation was revealed after 70 AD? That is speculation,
not fact. The actual date of all the NT books is speculation, not proven fact. There is only
good evidence for certain dates for all the NT books, but not 100 percent certain proof of
just when the NT books were written.
But a good case can be made for saying that all of the NT books were written and
completed before 70 AD.
See: Gentry, Jr., Kenneth L. Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation.
Institute For Christian Economics.
God bless you. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
Dear wakeup: How do you know Revelation was revealed after 70 AD? That is speculation,
not fact. The actual date of all the NT books is speculation, not proven fact. There is only
good evidence for certain dates for all the NT books, but not 100 percent certain proof of
just when the NT books were written.
But a good case can be made for saying that all of the NT books were written and
completed before 70 AD.
See: Gentry, Jr., Kenneth L. Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation.
Institute For Christian Economics.
God bless you. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
not fact. The actual date of all the NT books is speculation, not proven fact. There is only
good evidence for certain dates for all the NT books, but not 100 percent certain proof of
just when the NT books were written.
But a good case can be made for saying that all of the NT books were written and
completed before 70 AD.
See: Gentry, Jr., Kenneth L. Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation.
Institute For Christian Economics.
God bless you. In Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington
when the book of revelation was revealed to john,the 7churches were already established in asia minor. so you work it out with your knowledge.
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when the book of revelation was revealed to john,the 7churches were already established in asia minor. so you work it out with your knowledge.
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My friend the early church is men.
I am a part of the church today. Which means this letter was written to me also. It is written to the church until the church dies. So why is it impossible to believe Jesus used the 7 literal churches in that day to show the history of the church? since it was written to ALL the church.
Look at thew first Church. It completely resembles the church in the apostolic age.
Look at the last church. They are not even a real church. They are a church which God said he will "SPIT THEM OUT" which means there is no one who is saved in that church period. does that look like the church in the days of revelation. or like the final apostate church in the world system?
Not to mention if these are 7 literal churches it destroys your theory of "one church since the beginning" because here are 7 different churches. we could easily call them 7 denominations. Proving the church has not been one since the apostles.
either way you translate it. the doctrines of men you follow are shown to be in error. and your listening to men, not the word of God.
I am a part of the church today. Which means this letter was written to me also. It is written to the church until the church dies. So why is it impossible to believe Jesus used the 7 literal churches in that day to show the history of the church? since it was written to ALL the church.
Look at thew first Church. It completely resembles the church in the apostolic age.
Look at the last church. They are not even a real church. They are a church which God said he will "SPIT THEM OUT" which means there is no one who is saved in that church period. does that look like the church in the days of revelation. or like the final apostate church in the world system?
Not to mention if these are 7 literal churches it destroys your theory of "one church since the beginning" because here are 7 different churches. we could easily call them 7 denominations. Proving the church has not been one since the apostles.
either way you translate it. the doctrines of men you follow are shown to be in error. and your listening to men, not the word of God.
The early Church all believed in the Trinity, and Revelation was a document written to the early Christians, not a document for centuries later to interpret in terms of their own age. Anything still future is clearly indicated by the context, as in Revelation 21 and 22.
The early Church age concluded in 381 with the First Council of Constantinople, and brought to a perfect summation and summary the Faith of the early Church: the Holy Creed of 318 Orthodox Christian Fathers. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Why do you listen to people like John Nelson Darby, C.I. Scofield, John F. Walvoord, Clarence Larkin, Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, John Hagee, whose ideas on eschatology/ Bible prophecy have all been proved many many times to be utterly and completely false. Christ is coming again. Leave it at that. Take care.
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The early church fathers didn't interpret this as meaning seven ages, and if it wasn't taught in agreement with what the early church 30 AD to 300 AD taught, it isn't true.
Well since the Roman church destroyed any documents which did not agree with their theology, we will never know this will we? Why do you keep going back to what Men said, and not look at the word of God and see if the people you are basing your faith on had it right or not?
The early Church all believed in the Trinity, and Revelation was a document written to the early Christians, not a document for centuries later to interpret in terms of their own age. Anything still future is clearly indicated by the context, as in Revelation 21 and 22.
The early Church age concluded in 381 with the First Council of Constantinople, and brought to a perfect summation and summary the Faith of the early Church: the Holy Creed of 318 Orthodox Christian Fathers. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Why do you listen to people like John Nelson Darby, C.I. Scofield, John F. Walvoord, Clarence Larkin, Tim LaHaye, Hal Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, John Hagee, whose ideas on eschatology/ Bible prophecy have all been proved many many times to be utterly and completely false. Christ is coming again. Leave it at that. Take care.
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Like I said before. Half the stuff in the book of revelations could not have happened yet, It would have been impossible. Interpreting scripture takes logic as well as reasoning. If something could not have happened yet, It is reasonable to assume it has not happened yet. And to say it has happened, because a bunch of men in the 1800 years ago said it did, is not reasonable at all
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Well since the Roman church
destroyed any documents which did not agree with their
theology, we will never know this will we? Why do you keep
going back to what Men said, and not look at the word of God
and see if the people you are basing your faith on had it right
or not?
Friend, If God had wanted us to know your doctrine of future
fulfillment, and if it was taught in the early Church, then God
would not have allowed documentation of it to have been
destroyed. God preserves His true Word and Gospel in every
generation. And the true Gospel is from age to age the same.
In Erie Scott
Dear friend,
The early Church all believed in the Trinity, and Revelation was
a document written to the early Christians, not a document for
centuries later to interpret in terms of their own age. Anything
still future is clearly indicated by the context, as in Revelation
21 and 22.
The early Church age concluded in 381 with the First Council of
Constantinople, and brought to a perfect summation and
summary the Faith of the early Church: the Holy Creed of 318
Orthodox Christian Fathers. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Why do you listen to people like John Nelson Darby, C.I.
Scofield, John F. Walvoord, Clarence Larkin, Tim LaHaye, Hal
Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, John Hagee, whose ideas on
eschatology/ Bible prophecy have all been proved many many
times to be utterly and completely false. Christ is coming again.
Leave it at that. Take care.
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destroyed any documents which did not agree with their
theology, we will never know this will we? Why do you keep
going back to what Men said, and not look at the word of God
and see if the people you are basing your faith on had it right
or not?
Friend, If God had wanted us to know your doctrine of future
fulfillment, and if it was taught in the early Church, then God
would not have allowed documentation of it to have been
destroyed. God preserves His true Word and Gospel in every
generation. And the true Gospel is from age to age the same.
In Erie Scott
Dear friend,
The early Church all believed in the Trinity, and Revelation was
a document written to the early Christians, not a document for
centuries later to interpret in terms of their own age. Anything
still future is clearly indicated by the context, as in Revelation
21 and 22.
The early Church age concluded in 381 with the First Council of
Constantinople, and brought to a perfect summation and
summary the Faith of the early Church: the Holy Creed of 318
Orthodox Christian Fathers. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Why do you listen to people like John Nelson Darby, C.I.
Scofield, John F. Walvoord, Clarence Larkin, Tim LaHaye, Hal
Lindsey, Jack Van Impe, John Hagee, whose ideas on
eschatology/ Bible prophecy have all been proved many many
times to be utterly and completely false. Christ is coming again.
Leave it at that. Take care.
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would have been impossible. Interpreting scripture takes logic as well as reasoning. If
something could not have happened yet, It is reasonable to assume it has not happened
yet. And to say it has happened, because a bunch of men in the 1800 years ago said it did,
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To say it (Revelation) is all future,
because one man, Darby, in 1830, said so,
is not reasonable. That's 1830 years too
later.
Scott
Do you believe in the interpretations of men?
Men, who are fallible, like Hal Lindsey, Jack
Van Impe, Tim LaHaye, John Hagee. Van
Impe prophesied that the Soviet flag would fly
over Philadelphia in 1976. That didn't happen.
Lindsey and others predicted a rapture that
never happened. Do you support the
prophecies of these men, which have been
proven false? Hal Lindsey said that cobra
helicopters were predicted in the book of
Revelation. That prophecy, too, has proven
false. It is fanciful reading seeing every world
headline as confirmation of the ancient
language of Revelation, which was a prophecy
about the ancient Jews, the ancient Church,
and the ancient Roman empire. Mostly fulfilled
already. "Half of the stuff in the book of
revelations (sic) could not have happened
yet". How do you know that? What man
taught you that error? It's an error, you
know. Revelation is mostly fulfilled already. In
Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
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Like I said before. Half the stuff in the book of revelations could not have happened yet, It
would have been impossible. Interpreting scripture takes logic as well as reasoning. If
something could not have happened yet, It is reasonable to assume it has not happened
yet. And to say it has happened, because a bunch of men in the 1800 years ago said it did,
is not reasonable at all
To say it (Revelation) is all future,
because one man, Darby, in 1830, said so,
is not reasonable. That's 1830 years too
later.
Scott
because one man, Darby, in 1830, said so,
is not reasonable. That's 1830 years too
later.
Scott
Do you believe in the interpretations of men?
Men, who are fallible, like Hal Lindsey, Jack
Van Impe, Tim LaHaye, John Hagee. Van
Impe prophesied that the Soviet flag would fly
over Philadelphia in 1976. That didn't happen.
Lindsey and others predicted a rapture that
never happened. Do you support the
prophecies of these men, which have been
proven false? Hal Lindsey said that cobra
helicopters were predicted in the book of
Revelation. That prophecy, too, has proven
false. It is fanciful reading seeing every world
headline as confirmation of the ancient
language of Revelation, which was a prophecy
about the ancient Jews, the ancient Church,
and the ancient Roman empire. Mostly fulfilled
already. "Half of the stuff in the book of
revelations (sic) could not have happened
yet". How do you know that? What man
taught you that error? It's an error, you
know. Revelation is mostly fulfilled already. In
Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Men, who are fallible, like Hal Lindsey, Jack
Van Impe, Tim LaHaye, John Hagee. Van
Impe prophesied that the Soviet flag would fly
over Philadelphia in 1976. That didn't happen.
Lindsey and others predicted a rapture that
never happened. Do you support the
prophecies of these men, which have been
proven false? Hal Lindsey said that cobra
helicopters were predicted in the book of
Revelation. That prophecy, too, has proven
false. It is fanciful reading seeing every world
headline as confirmation of the ancient
language of Revelation, which was a prophecy
about the ancient Jews, the ancient Church,
and the ancient Roman empire. Mostly fulfilled
already. "Half of the stuff in the book of
revelations (sic) could not have happened
yet". How do you know that? What man
taught you that error? It's an error, you
know. Revelation is mostly fulfilled already. In
Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
Guess what. I don't listen to men. I might read what they say. But I take what no man says and just listen to it, and say, yeah thats true!
I look at things like 1/3 of all mankind being killed. Of 1/3 of the earth being wiped out and made uninhabitable. Of things which look like flying locusts that sound like a herd of horses, which shoot l=flaming arrows out of their mouths( like a modern day helicopter would look and sound like to John). and many other things which are impossible to have occurred in 70 AD or in the first century. or yet.
If you want to listen to men, feel free. I want to listen to God, And see what he has to say. I can read books, listen to sermons do whatever. But until I prove it is written in scripture. and see what God is saying. All I can do is say that is his opinion.
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Friend, If God had wanted us to know your doctrine of future
fulfillment, and if it was taught in the early Church, then God
would not have allowed documentation of it to have been
destroyed. God preserves His true Word and Gospel in every
generation. And the true Gospel is from age to age the same.
In Erie Scott
fulfillment, and if it was taught in the early Church, then God
would not have allowed documentation of it to have been
destroyed. God preserves His true Word and Gospel in every
generation. And the true Gospel is from age to age the same.
In Erie Scott
It is called his word. Holy Scripture. The bible, whatever you want to call it.
Historical records are not Gods word. They are written by men. And they are destroyed by men. And the men who are in power, no matter what their religious beliefs are, write history to support their ways, make them look good, and destroy records which make them look bad.