jesus on the cross and the thief on his right.

[journey41]

What were Jesus' last words on the cross?

Jesus called out with a loud voice, " Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he had said this, he breathed his last. -Luke 23:46


If Christ tells the thief, in so many words, "You'll be with me" and He then places His own spirit into the hands of the Father, where does the thief himself also end up?

[/QUOTE]We know that the breath of life comes from God, so when we die it goes back to God and the body goes into the dust. That spirit of life belongs to God. Only God can give life. That life goes back to God (breath of life) as he owns it. Whether you are good or bad, God owns it. All life belongs to God.

Same as when God created Adam and Eve. He breathed the breath of life into them and they became a living soul. When their bodies were united with the breath of life, they became a LIVING SOUL.

Genesis 2:7 And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground and he breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE and man BECAME a LIVING SOUL.

So we are all living souls. When we die the breath of life is taken back to God, and the body goes to dust. The soul is no more until it is restored.

Think of a lightbulb. It is good for nothing until you put electricity in there. It's useless without power, but once the electricity is in there, it lights the room.

 

[stone]

a question to you:
when jesus was hanging on the cross ; the thief that was crusified on his right, said, ''lord remember me when you come to your kingdom.''
and Jesus said to him, verily i say to you today you will be with me in paradise. but Jesus did not go anywhere that day; he was buried for 3 days?

''wakeup''.

YES HE DID . 1ST PETER 3V18

 

[stone]

HE WENT TO PRISON AND PREACHED TO THE SOULS THAT WE'RE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH

 

[Gentile]

God Bless Stone...

1st Peter 3 v19

 

[journey41]

HE WENT TO PRISON AND PREACHED TO THE SOULS THAT WE'RE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH

[/QUOTE]Yes Stone, that is correct, but it doesn't say that he did it when he was dead. He had 40 days to visit them after his resurrection. The day Jesus rose, he said to Mary, dont touch me for I have not ascended to my father. I doubt he would of even went and preached to the spirits before uniting with his father. His Father has to be first.

 

[superdave5221]

Yes he did.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Hell just simply means death. The grave. Jesus was resurrected on the third day. A corpse starts decaying on the 4th day.

You may want to check your facts on that one. Decay usually begins within hours, and depending on environmental conditions, significant decay, including putrifaction is usually evident within 36 hours following death, (if not slowed by embalming methods). Jewish law required that the dead be buried on the same day, when possible. This law, as other purity laws, were needed to avoid disease from contaminated dead bodies.

Deuteronomy 21: 22 "If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God ), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.

The section in parentheses is not an exception, because of the cause of death, but an inclusion, in effect saying that in spite of the cause of death, the law must still be satisfied. In cases of crucifixion, there might be a tendency not to follow proper buriel because of the contempt for the victim, however, this extreme case is used to highlight the necessity to follow the law in all cases.

 

[AnandaHya]

Luke 23:40-43 (New King James Version)

40 But the other, answering, rebuked him, saying, “Do you not even fear God, seeing you are under the same condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we receive the due reward of our deeds; but this Man has done nothing wrong.” 42 Then he said to Jesus, “Lord,[a] remember me when You come into Your kingdom.”
43 And Jesus said to him, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.”

43et dixit illi Iesus, amen dico tibi hodie mecum eris in paradiso

Hodie (latin) = today

Interesting I think we should ask Jesus when we see Him

 

[stone]

[/QUOTE]Yes Stone, that is correct, but it doesn't say that he did it when he was dead. He had 40 days to visit them after his resurrection. The day Jesus rose, he said to Mary, dont touch me for I have not ascended to my father. I doubt he would of even went and preached to the spirits before uniting with his father. His Father has to be first.

YOU DOUBT THAT JESUS PREACHED TO THE SOULS FIRST? PLEASE GIVE ME A SCRIPTURE TO BACK YOUR POINT. PLEASE,GOD BLESS YOU

 

[dewba]

Those who live a righteous life are always in paradise.

I disagree that life is paradise.
We clearly share Christ's suffering BEFORE going to paradise/heaven (But rejoice insofar as you share Christ's sufferings, that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. 1 Peter 4:13; and various other scriptures).

But I see what you're saying. Those who do believe in Jesus Christ are righteous (This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference... Romans 3:22).

 

[dewba]

just before Jesus died, he says ''into thy hands i commit my SPIRIT.
the spirit of life belongs to God; it goes back to God the body goes to dust.
Jesus was dead,absolutely dead. was buried for 3days; he did not wonder around.
so why did he say ''today you will be with me in paradise?
well he died that day and from that day on he is not in our time zone.untill he was resurected on the third day; but to him it is that same day that he died.

true that.
But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

 

[dewba]

You may want to check your facts on that one. Decay usually begins within hours, and depending on environmental conditions, significant decay, including putrifaction is usually evident within 36 hours following death, (if not slowed by embalming methods). Jewish law required that the dead be buried on the same day, when possible. This law, as other purity laws, were needed to avoid disease from contaminated dead bodies.

Deuteronomy 21: 22 "If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God ), so that you do not defile your land which the LORD your God gives you as an inheritance.

The section in parentheses is not an exception, because of the cause of death, but an inclusion, in effect saying that in spite of the cause of death, the law must still be satisfied. In cases of crucifixion, there might be a tendency not to follow proper buriel because of the contempt for the victim, however, this extreme case is used to highlight the necessity to follow the law in all cases.

Dude: you're nitpicking. Take away the last statement and her point would still be apparent.

 

[dewba]

a question to you:
when jesus was hanging on the cross ; the thief that was crusified on his right, said, ''lord remember me when you come to your kingdom.''
and Jesus said to him, verily i say to you today you will be with me in paradise. but Jesus did not go anywhere that day; he was buried for 3 days?

''wakeup''.

Do you believe, wakeup?
If so, then what Jesus said is a FACT, whether you understand it or not. If you believe, the Holy Spirit will give you understanding.

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5).

"dewba".

 

[stone]

Do you believe, wakeup?
If so, then what Jesus said is a FACT, whether you understand it or not. If you believe, the Holy Spirit will give you understanding.

Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding (Proverbs 3:5).

"dewba".

YES , WOW , DEWBA THATSWHAT I BELIEVE. GOD BLESS YOUR HEART

 

[journey41]

You may want to check your facts on that one. Decay usually begins within hours, and depending on environmental conditions, significant decay, including putrifaction is usually evident within 36 hours following death, (if not slowed by embalming methods). Jewish law required that the dead be buried on the same day, when possible. This law, as other purity laws, were needed to avoid disease from contaminated dead bodies.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Yes, I agree with you. Embalming slows the process, however, the question was asked Did Jesus go to Hell?
I answered the question using scripture, as it is obvious in Psalms it is Jesus speaking here. He's body didn't decompose (corruption) because God didn't allow it, and we learn here that Hell just simply means death. God did not leave Jesus dead for too long. He was raised and taken out of hell on the third day. (death, the grave)

So, it is not blasphemous to say that Jesus went to hell, because all it means is that he died.

We can get all nitty gritty here with science, but the point is that the question was answered with one single passage! So simple isn't it! God bless

 

[journey41]

YOU DOUBT THAT JESUS PREACHED TO THE SOULS FIRST? PLEASE GIVE ME A SCRIPTURE TO BACK YOUR POINT. PLEASE,GOD BLESS YOU

[/QUOTE]No I cant prove that. Like I said, I doubt. My thoughts. He seemed in a rush to get back to his father, thats why he told Mary not to touch him, but he let Thomas touch his hands didn't he?


John 20:27 Then said he to Thomas, reach hither my finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.


But to Mary he said;
John 20:17 Jesus said unto her, Touch me not; for I am NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to My God and your God.


So he saw Mary, said dont touch me, and the very same day at eveningtime he was back and appeared to the appostles. (John 20:19) He then stayed for another 40 days. So we can see he went to heaven in between these times.


Can you prove to me that Jesus preached to the spirits before he ascended? Is there any proof to this claim? If you can show me, then I will believe it, because that is what is being taught out there but nothing to back it up. It's the timeframe I'm questioning.
God bless, I look forward to your answer.

 

[stone]

a question to you:
when jesus was hanging on the cross ; the thief that was crusified on his right, said, ''lord remember me when you come to your kingdom.''
and Jesus said to him, verily i say to you today you will be with me in paradise. but Jesus did not go anywhere that day; he was buried for 3 days?

''wakeup''.

OH MY , BROTHER ,YOUR CORRECT, HE WENT TO THE FATHER FIRST, THEN CAME BACK DURING THE 4O GOD BLESS YOU

 

[phil36]

A question might help, lets first get what the criminal on the cross would have understood.

What was the Jewish thought on Paradise? what did it mean in Jewish thought before up to the cross in the 1st century?