Jesus Christ was God manifest in the Flesh

[Red33]

1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

How can so many that say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of sins, but do not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh? There are those right here on this site that believe so. How can any person believe in the Son of God yet not believe that the Son was God in the flesh? It is contrary to the truth of scripture and to the Holy Spirit to believe that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh (1Tim 3:16)?

When we worship and magnify Christ we are worshipping God in spirit and truth. When we love God, we love the Father and the Son because they are one and our love is according to the truth. The Son of God is equal to the Father but the Jews did not want to believe so. Many were offended, even some of the disciples, when Christ stated that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood or they would have no life in them (Jn 6:54-71).

Did not God come from heaven as the bread of life? When Christ claimed to be the Son of God they considered that to be blasphemy because He made Himself equal with God . Are we going to be led astray and believe that Jesus Christ through the incarnation, when God to on human form through the flesh, was not God in the flesh but only the Son of God who was inferior and not equal with God? Is this where we are being lead by the spirit of antichrist in these last days?

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Because of Trinity doctrine, which insists it wasn't God in the flesh, but a PART of God in the flesh... just one of three God-persons, all individually distinct as eternally pre-existent "persons". Trinity doesn't say God was manifest in the flesh; it says the Son was manifest in the flesh.

This is why I was lost as a Trinitarian. Now I know in whom I have believed.

A half-truth leaves people searching for the rest wherever they can find it, so blame orthodox doctrine for not knowing and establishing the truth. Trinity has undermined the Christian faith in a way Trinis can't and won't see. I've been on both sides of the fence, and I see the truth. Trinis are blinded by indoctrination and a misplaced reverence.

Unless someone knows the truth of Rhema-Logos as the Word, they will hold onto their doctrines of men.

God's Soul/The Father was well pleased in the Son. The Spirit proceedeth from the Father. Jesus was the fullness of the Godhead bodily; the express image of God's substance.

God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity. (Theos is Pneuma-Psuche-Soma of Heis Theotes.)

God is NOT three "persons".

 

[livingbygrace]

1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

How can so many that say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of sins, but do not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh? There are those right here on this site that believe so. How can any person believe in the Son of God yet not believe that the Son was God in the flesh?



Actually because the Bible tells us to believe that Christ was the son of God, but not that he was the one true God in the flesh

When we worship and magnify Christ we are worshipping God in spirit and truth. When we love God, we love the Father and the Son because they are one and our love is according to the truth. The Son of God is equal to the Father but the Jews did not want to believe so

Actually Jesus said the Father was greater than him



. Many were offended, even some of the disciples, when Christ stated that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood or they would have no life in them (Jn 6:54-71).

The above statement has no relevance to the discussion you started


Did not God come from heaven as the bread of life? When Christ claimed to be the Son of God they considered that to be blasphemy because He made Himself equal with God . Are we going to be led astray and believe that Jesus Christ through the incarnation, when God to on human form through the flesh, was not God in the flesh but only the Son of God who was inferior and not equal with God?

Well Christ commanded people to believe he was the son of God, not God Himself and he said the Father was greater than he.




Is this where we are being lead by the spirit of antichrist in these last days?

So if a perrson believes the plain words of Christ they are possessed by the spirit of antichrist?
I would tremble at the thought of thinking such a thing, let alone saying it

Red you would have far more credibility on this subject if you could answer the questions put to you and the scriptures put to you, as I have in many threads. But if you simply ignore them as you do it will lead people to believe you have no answers to scripture placed before you, or to any questions asked on this subject.
To be an authority on a subject and to proclaim as you are so forthrightly your belifs on this subject you need to be able to answer questions put to you, not simply ignore them but always expect people to reply to verses you produce from scripture
You display the classic characteristics of a person taught by man but one who has no answer to much scripture

 

[Scotth1960]

1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

How can so many that say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of sins, but do not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh? There are those right here on this site that believe so. How can any person believe in the Son of God yet not believe that the Son was God in the flesh? It is contrary to the truth of scripture and to the Holy Spirit to believe that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh (1Tim 3:16)?

When we worship and magnify Christ we are worshipping God in spirit and truth. When we love God, we love the Father and the Son because they are one and our love is according to the truth. The Son of God is equal to the Father but the Jews did not want to believe so. Many were offended, even some of the disciples, when Christ stated that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood or they would have no life in them (Jn 6:54-71).

Did not God come from heaven as the bread of life? When Christ claimed to be the Son of God they considered that to be blasphemy because He made Himself equal with God . Are we going to be led astray and believe that Jesus Christ through the incarnation, when God to on human form through the flesh, was not God in the flesh but only the Son of God who was inferior and not equal with God? Is this where we are being lead by the spirit of antichrist in these last days?

Of course the doctrine of the Trinity goes hand-in-hand with the doctrine of the Deity of Christ, and the Incarnation of Christ. Since Christ is a person and Christ is God, His Father must be a person, and His Spirit must be a person. Thus, three persons in one God. There is no better word for Father, Son, and Holy Spirit than persons. People get emotional and reject this because the word persons is not in the text of Scripture. Then they get hypocritical and say they are not following sola Scriptura, and invent false categories, saying they are semi- Sola Scriptura. Whatever that is! No, the concept of persons in God is all through the Scriptures. It is in Genesis 1:26. God talks, has a conversation with Himself, calling Himself US and OUR. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington
PS Yes we must have the body and blood of Christ to have life in us; that's the all holy eucharist of the Church. Christ's blood saves us from all sin(s).

 

[stone]

1Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

How can so many that say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of sins, but do not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh? There are those right here on this site that believe so. How can any person believe in the Son of God yet not believe that the Son was God in the flesh? It is contrary to the truth of scripture and to the Holy Spirit to believe that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh (1Tim 3:16)?

When we worship and magnify Christ we are worshipping God in spirit and truth. When we love God, we love the Father and the Son because they are one and our love is according to the truth. The Son of God is equal to the Father but the Jews did not want to believe so. Many were offended, even some of the disciples, when Christ stated that they must eat His flesh and drink His blood or they would have no life in them (Jn 6:54-71).

Did not God come from heaven as the bread of life? When Christ claimed to be the Son of God they considered that to be blasphemy because He made Himself equal with God . Are we going to be led astray and believe that Jesus Christ through the incarnation, when God to on human form through the flesh, was not God in the flesh but only the Son of God who was inferior and not equal with God? Is this where we are being lead by the spirit of antichrist in these last days?

GOD BLESS YOU RED33 HE WAS NONE OTHER BUT GOD, GOD BLESS YOUR HEART. ST JOHN 1V1

 

[Red33]

Red you would have far more credibility on this subject if you could answer the questions put to you and the scriptures put to you, as I have in many threads. But if you simply ignore them as you do it will lead people to believe you have no answers to scripture placed before you, or to any questions asked on this subject.
To be an authority on a subject and to proclaim as you are so forthrightly your belifs on this subject you need to be able to answer questions put to you, not simply ignore them but always expect people to reply to verses you produce from scripture
You display the classic characteristics of a person taught by man but one who has no answer to much scripture

I told you before that I am not answering your nonsensical questions. You can respond by not asking questions, try it, it's a beautiful thing.

This is one of the basic tenets of the faith and you and others are trying to squash its simplicity, its holiness, its Deity, its authority, its value of redemption and its application to those who believe, with your rationalistic logic and contrived intellectualism as you wrestle with the scriptures while others get sucked in because they are not sound in the faith. All you keep saying is that, HE'S TAUGHT BY A MAN, HE'S TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH, IT'S ALL MAN MADE DOCTRINE. You sure have alot of authority in that.

The devil observes and says look at all those professing Christians that say they know God and they don't even know that the Son was God in the flesh. The devil goes on saying... those confounded Christians don't even realize how hard we fought to keep Christ from resurrecting and ascending to the Father. We know Christ and all those that are filled with His Spirit but who are these professing Christians? They have not the power of God as do the others. But we will keep them in this dilemma concerning the Son because they will never be an effective witness because their gospel is not the one the Son came to deliver from the Father. What they don't know is how easy they make it for us to deceive others through their error and through their words that have not the truth.

So the devil organizes all the demons he can get his hands on to get this doctrine out, that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh. Let's destroy the doctrine of Christ concerning the Son and give them our doctrine so that we can blind the minds of those who believe not and devour those that are weak in the faith. That ought to really get the church spinning in division, confusion and utter chaos all because of these professing Christians that say they love God but don't even know that the Son was God in the flesh, who actually came from heaven to dwell with man.

 

[livingbygrace]

I told you before that I am not answering your nonsensical questions. You can respond by not asking questions, try it, it's a beautiful thing.

This is one of the basic tenets of the faith and you and others are trying to squash its simplicity, its holiness, its Deity, its authority, its value of redemption and its application to those who believe, with your rationalistic logic and contrived intellectualism as you wrestle with the scriptures while others get sucked in because they are not sound in the faith. All you keep saying is that, HE'S TAUGHT BY A MAN, HE'S TAUGHT BY THE CHURCH, IT'S ALL MAN MADE DOCTRINE. You sure have alot of authority in that.

The devil observes and says look at all those professing Christians that say they know God and they don't even know that the Son was God in the flesh. The devil goes on saying... those confounded Christians don't even realize how hard we fought to keep Christ from resurrecting and ascending to the Father. We know Christ and all those that are filled with His Spirit but who are these professing Christians? They have not the power of God as do the others. But we will keep them in this dilemma concerning the Son because they will never be an effective witness because their gospel is not the one the Son came to deliver from the Father. What they don't know is how easy they make it for us to deceive others through their error and through their words that have not the truth.

So the devil organizes all the demons he can get his hands on to get this doctrine out, that Jesus Christ was not God in the flesh. Let's destroy the doctrine of Christ concerning the Son and give them our doctrine so that we can blind the minds of those who believe not and devour those that are weak in the faith. That ought to really get the church spinning in division, confusion and utter chaos all because of these professing Christians that say they love God but don't even know that the Son was God in the flesh, who actually came from heaven to dwell with man.

The above is just personal opinion of the rational mind, it can be no more for my beliefs are based on plain scripture

If this belief was one off the basic tenents of the Bible it would be written clearly and plainly in the Bible but it is not
What is written plainly is that anyone who believes Christ is the son of God has eternal life with that belief, and that was not added to as you do

PLEASE GIVE ME ONE VERSE OF SCRIPTURE WHERE IT SAYS WE MUST BELIEVE CHRIST IS GOD HIMSELF TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

You cannot do it can you?

So to you one of the basic tenants of the Christian faith is not even written in the Bible

PLEASE SHOW ME A SCRIPTURE WHERE CHRIST COMMANDED PEOPLE TO BELIEVE HE WAS GOD HIMSELF

You cannot do it can you

So you are demanding of others what Christ did not

And you say their is no power if we do not believe Christ is the one true God, yet where is the power, signs, wonders and miracles in your church

I'm sorry Red, but if I am honest no wonder so many are deserting mainstream churches, disenchanted, so often it is theology of the man made mind, and not based on what the Bible actually says. Therefore a Christianity lacking true power follows.

As for me not asking questions. You have put many to me, but are reluctant to answer those put before you.

Basically you are demanding for true Christianity what is certainly not demanded in scripture, this cannot be belief led of the Holy Spirit for the Holy Spirit would never contradict plain scripture or the words of Christ

This is just weak, man made beliefs.

The tragedy of all of of this is, you know I believe Christ is the eternal son of the one true God, he died for our sin on the cross and if we repent odf our sin and ask him into our lives as Lord and Saviour we are saved
And you know I also believe the fulness of the Godhead bodily rests in Christ and all things were created THROUGH him

So why do you condemn me as having the spirit of antichrist? I will tell you why

P R I D E

 

[dewba]

It's a fact, in the Bible, that we must only worship one God, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ.

Many worshiped Jesus in the Gospels, without JesusHimself preventing it.



Matthew 8:2
matthew 14:33

JOHN 20:28

Who is saying that Jesus isn't God?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The above is just personal opinion of the rational mind, it can be no more for my beliefs are based on plain scripture

If this belief was one off the basic tenents of the Bible it would be written clearly and plainly in the Bible but it is not
What is written plainly is that anyone who believes Christ is the son of God has eternal life with that belief, and that was not added to as you do

PLEASE GIVE ME ONE VERSE OF SCRIPTURE WHERE IT SAYS WE MUST BELIEVE CHRIST IS GOD HIMSELF TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE

You cannot do it can you?

So to you one of the basic tenants of the Christian faith is not even written in the Bible

PLEASE SHOW ME A SCRIPTURE WHERE CHRIST COMMANDED PEOPLE TO BELIEVE HE WAS GOD HIMSELF

You cannot do it can you

So you are demanding of others what Christ did not

And you say their is no power if we do not believe Christ is the one true God, yet where is the power, signs, wonders and miracles in your church

I'm sorry Red, but if I am honest no wonder so many are deserting mainstream churches, disenchanted, so often it is theology of the man made mind, and not based on what the Bible actually says. Therefore a Christianity lacking true power follows.

As for me not asking questions. You have put many to me, but are reluctant to answer those put before you.

Basically you are demanding for true Christianity what is certainly not demanded in scripture, this cannot be belief led of the Holy Spirit for the Holy Spirit would never contradict plain scripture or the words of Christ

This is just weak, man made beliefs.

The tragedy of all of of this is, you know I believe Christ is the eternal son of the one true God, he died for our sin on the cross and if we repent odf our sin and ask him into our lives as Lord and Saviour we are saved
And you know I also believe the fulness of the Godhead bodily rests in Christ and all things were created THROUGH him

So why do you condemn me as having the spirit of antichrist? I will tell you why

P R I D E

I think you have to realize, Much like Scott in the revelation and councils thread. When you ask them to talk about a particular scripture they refuse. because they can't. People like this take their own biases and words of men as Gospel truth and hold them above God. And when confronted, much like Christ confronted the pharisees, The only reply they have is to change the subject, or make attacks against you. And yes, your right. It is because of Pride. Pride keeps many from seeing Gods truth, and keeps many that might have gods truth from knowing how to share it with others. because they do not know how to answer basic questions. like th eone you have asked over and over now.

 

[dewba]

Because of Trinity doctrine, which insists it wasn't God in the flesh, but a PART of God in the flesh... just one of three God-persons, all individually distinct as eternally pre-existent "persons". Trinity doesn't say God was manifest in the flesh; it says the Son was manifest in the flesh.

This is why I was lost as a Trinitarian. Now I know in whom I have believed.

A half-truth leaves people searching for the rest wherever they can find it, so blame orthodox doctrine for not knowing and establishing the truth. Trinity has undermined the Christian faith in a way Trinis can't and won't see. I've been on both sides of the fence, and I see the truth. Trinis are blinded by indoctrination and a misplaced reverence.

Unless someone knows the truth of Rhema-Logos as the Word, they will hold onto their doctrines of men.

God's Soul/The Father was well pleased in the Son. The Spirit proceedeth from the Father. Jesus was the fullness of the Godhead bodily; the express image of God's substance.

God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity. (Theos is Pneuma-Psuche-Soma of Heis Theotes.)

God is NOT three "persons".

BACK WHAT YOU SAY WITH SCRIPTURE.

Matthew 8:2
matthew 14:33

JOHN 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

HE DID NOT SAY:
"MY LORD'S SON AND MY GOD'S SON!"

 

[Gentile]

How can so many that say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of sins, but do not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh? There are those right here on this site that believe so. How can any person believe in the Son of God yet not believe that the Son was God in the flesh?

Could it be because they are not true Seed? And its not revealed unto them?

What do others say?.....

God Bless all.

 

[Gentile]

Oh sorry, top part of quote is by RED33. God Bless.

 

[Red33]

BACK WHAT YOU SAY WITH SCRIPTURE.

Matthew 8:2
matthew 14:33

JOHN 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

HE DID NOT SAY:
"MY LORD'S SON AND MY GOD'S SON!"

Good verse and good point, and we all know what kind of problem Thomas had until his confession in (Jn 20:28).

 

[dewba]

How can so many that say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of sins, but do not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh? There are those right here on this site that believe so. How can any person believe in the Son of God yet not believe that the Son was God in the flesh?

Could it be because they are not true Seed? And its not revealed unto them?

What do others say?.....

God Bless all.

they are NOT the true seed and may God make them see the Light.

 

[dewba]

Good verse and good point, and we all know what kind of problem Thomas had until his confession in (Jn 20:28).

Thank God, Red33. Thank God.

 

[livingbygrace]

I think you have to realize, Much like Scott in the revelation and councils thread. When you ask them to talk about a particular scripture they refuse. because they can't. People like this take their own biases and words of men as Gospel truth and hold them above God. And when confronted, much like Christ confronted the pharisees, The only reply they have is to change the subject, or make attacks against you. And yes, your right. It is because of Pride. Pride keeps many from seeing Gods truth, and keeps many that might have gods truth from knowing how to share it with others. because they do not know how to answer basic questions. like th eone you have asked over and over now.

I have much respect for what you say here, because as I have previously said, though you and I may not see this subject entirely the same, your bottom line is what is actually written in scripture

God Bless

 

[Red33]

How can so many that say they believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and the forgiveness of sins, but do not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh? There are those right here on this site that believe so. How can any person believe in the Son of God yet not believe that the Son was God in the flesh?

Could it be because they are not true Seed? And its not revealed unto them?

What do others say?.....

God Bless all.

Jn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[livingbygrace]

BACK WHAT YOU SAY WITH SCRIPTURE.

Matthew 8:2
matthew 14:33

JOHN 20:28
Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

HE DID NOT SAY:
"MY LORD'S SON AND MY GOD'S SON!"

No he did not. Thomas said

My Lord and my God

Can you tell me who was the God of Israel who appeared to 74 Israelite leaders in Ex 24:9-11?
The Father cannot have appeared to them as the Father has never been seen John 6:46

God told Moses who would accompany the Israelites in the preceding chapter Ex 23:20-22

And Paul was specific as to who this was 1 Cor 10:4

So it is easier to understand Davids words in Psalm 110:1

The Lord said to my Lord
Sit at my right hand until. I make your enemies a footstool for your feet

And Elizabeths words in Luke 1:43

Whjy am I so favoured that the mother of my Lord should come to visit me

Hence also Thomas' words
My Lord and my God

Christ was the God of Israel in the OT
David, Elizabeth and Thomas were all Israelites

But as Christ said three chapters earlier when praying to his Father

That they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. True being the important word

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jn 6:65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Where does it say in these verses that one who does not believe Christ is God is not saved?

People like you who refuse to answer questions, and keep attacking based on your own biases, make it so that people who do not believe like U will never believe like us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have much respect for what you say here, because as I have previously said, though you and I may not see this subject entirely the same, your bottom line is what is actually written in scripture

God Bless

I would also be a hypocrite if I demanded Scott, Catholics, and others who refuse to look at scripture when I show it, and show me where I am wrong. but did not demand even people who believe something like what I believe to the same accountability.