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SpiritFeather

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This may not have much to do with a bible question but yeah basically it is in the way it is asking about God's real intent for human kind.Here is my question.

If God,Who is supposed to be all knowing, knew of the terrible fate of man then why did He go ahead and create man?Would He sacrifice the souls of the unbelieving for the few that would live in heaven with Him?Would He have known that those many souls would be lost into an eternal Hell of suffering?Does this thought open up a possibility that God did not actually know that that many of the souls would be lost at the time He created man in the first place?Is this something that is to be understood by the human mind or one of those questions you have to pin the "No human could understand to the full extent God's plan and why things are the way they are now" and this question never to be fully answered in a conclusion to why this is?
Is this a flaw in God's love?Or is it that He just didn't know in the beginning things would come to this and the situation irreversable after the fall of man?

Anyones thoughts are excepted on this.
 
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SpiritFeather said:
This may not have much to do with a bible question but yeah basically it is in the way it is asking about God's real intent for human kind.Here is my question.

If God,Who is supposed to be all knowing, knew of the terrible fate of man then why did He go ahead and create man?Would He sacrifice the souls of the unbelieving for the few that would live in heaven with Him?Would He have known that those many souls would be lost into an eternal Hell of suffering?Does this thought open up a possibility that God did not actually know that that many of the souls would be lost at the time He created man in the first place?Is this something that is to be understood by the human mind or one of those questions you have to pin the "No human could understand to the full extent God's plan and why things are the way they are now" and this question never to be fully answered in a conclusion to why this is?
Is this a flaw in God's love?Or is it that He just didn't know in the beginning things would come to this and the situation irreversable after the fall of man?

Anyones thoughts are excepted on this.
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3 But our God is in heaven; He does whatever He pleases. (Psalm 115:3)

31 As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him. (2 Samuel 22:31)

30 As for God, His way is perfect; The word of the Lord is proven; He is a shield to all who trust in Him. (Psalm 18:30)

5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding; (Proverbs 3:5)

8 "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the Lord. 9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts. (Isaiah 55:8-9)

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out! (Romans 11:33)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance. (2 Peter 3:9)

16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

4 The Lord has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. (Proverbs 16:4)

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, "The older shall serve the younger." 13 As it is written, "Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated." 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion." 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth." 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. 19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?" 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?" 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? 22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, (Romans 9:10-23)
 
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its simply a matter of Love. if you knew that your child would die at the age of 25, would you still allow them to be born? when you let your child go out with friends at night, do you not allow them the freedom to choose what to and what not to do? if there was a possibility of attaining immense greatness, with an equal possibility of great destruction, would you scoff and not take the risk? if the choice of having eternal fellowship with the one you love against being alone forever was before you, would you not take the chance and risk it all to be with them?
its simply a matter of Love. of risking it all, to gain it all. of suffering momentary loss to have eternal gain. of suffering for a moment in order to have unending joy. God gave us a chance, if we were not valuable to Him, He would not have died for us. understand that it is painful for God when WE DECIDE to not choose Him. there are 2 paths set before us, it is up to us to decide which 1 to tread. we were lost, yet 'God wills that all should be saved', and so he made every provision to save us from the ditch we are in. God HOPES that we will choose Him, yet He leaves that decision up to you and I...
as one man once said 'God knows what you will choose, He just doesn't force you to choose it.'
 
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SpiritFeather said:
This may not have much to do with a bible question but yeah basically it is in the way it is asking about God's real intent for human kind.Here is my question.

If God,Who is supposed to be all knowing, knew of the terrible fate of man then why did He go ahead and create man?Would He sacrifice the souls of the unbelieving for the few that would live in heaven with Him?Would He have known that those many souls would be lost into an eternal Hell of suffering?Does this thought open up a possibility that God did not actually know that that many of the souls would be lost at the time He created man in the first place?Is this something that is to be understood by the human mind or one of those questions you have to pin the "No human could understand to the full extent God's plan and why things are the way they are now" and this question never to be fully answered in a conclusion to why this is?
Is this a flaw in God's love?Or is it that He just didn't know in the beginning things would come to this and the situation irreversable after the fall of man?

Anyones thoughts are excepted on this.
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GOD did not make adam and eve flesh in gen.1.vs.26. its only in gen.2.vs.5. that happen in gen.2. and rev.12.vs.7. there was war in heaven. this war you see with mankind took palace in heaven. Some of us stood with Micheal.And do so here on earth. So yes he still all knowing And there is no FLAW in the LOVE OF GOD. IF YOUR NAME IS IN THAT BLOOD PART OF THAT BOOK i will see YOU there GOD BLESS YOU...
 
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God made people to defeat Satan in Jesus name.
 
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God is just on a giant power trip.
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[/QUOTE]Be very careful what you say. God can hear everything. My brother said the same thing at your age and God took his life from him shortly after. Why? Maybe save him from getting himself deeper into sin and save him from being guilty of uttering worse things as he grew.

I strongly urge you young man to confess this sin and repent from speaking like this. God is in charge. He created us and he can destroy us. He can also raise us up again. He can do what he likes. He is the almightly and does everything for a purpose. Although he has an abundance of grace and mercy, he can get angry with us too. The fear of God is a good thing.
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God is perfect, loving and there is no flaw in God's love. You cannot question his ways. The wisest of men cannot even begin to contend with God's foolishness. His thoughts are higher than ours and so are his ways. The fear of the Lord is the begining of wisdom, so be wise and mind what you say about him. Dont be blasphemous!
 
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SpiritFeather said:
This may not have much to do with a bible question but yeah basically it is in the way it is asking about God's real intent for human kind.Here is my question.

If God,Who is supposed to be all knowing, knew of the terrible fate of man then why did He go ahead and create man?Would He sacrifice the souls of the unbelieving for the few that would live in heaven with Him?Would He have known that those many souls would be lost into an eternal Hell of suffering?Does this thought open up a possibility that God did not actually know that that many of the souls would be lost at the time He created man in the first place?Is this something that is to be understood by the human mind or one of those questions you have to pin the "No human could understand to the full extent God's plan and why things are the way they are now" and this question never to be fully answered in a conclusion to why this is?
Is this a flaw in God's love?Or is it that He just didn't know in the beginning things would come to this and the situation irreversable after the fall of man?

Anyones thoughts are excepted on this.
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[/QUOTE]Sounds like you have already answered your own question but I must tell you that your conclusion is incorrect!

Many people ask this question and you have every right to hear the answer.

First of all, you didn't take the time to go to his word directly and find the answer for yourself. Then again, maybe you did, but didn't persevere and keep searching,

Secondly, you are relying on man to answer this question for you. Bad move.

Thirdly, you doubt because of your lack of understanding.

We, who have come into his grace, trust him explicitly to answer our questions through his word. If you start reading the New testament, you will discover that the world is in a very bad place. There are people that are maimed, there are hypocrites, there are people holding high position in churches (temples) that have no love for the truth, there are demon possessed people, there are poor people, people who love money, people who falsely accuse and so forth.

The Israelites knew God, but only according to their own traditions. There hearts were not sincere and didn't want to hear what God was saying to them. They were stuck in their ways and strayed from God. God sent his son to bring them back, but save a few, they rejected him. God wanted the world (gentiles) to now know him and made this possible because the name of Jesus Christ went down in history, according to the miracles he performed and his crucifixion. From this, word spread and much later, those letters that were written by the prophets and appostles were found and bound in a book called the holy bible. This book was inspired from God and he left us with it so that we can know everything about him.

God has a plan right from the beginning. He has only the angels in heaven and they only know "good". God wants to show them theres an opposite to everything. He wants to show them that by not following his will, catastrophes will happen. So God creates evil (Isaiah 45:7) and he does this by creating Lucifer, the angel. He gives him a high position, power, and fills him with wisdom. So, Lucifer, being perfect becomes vain and puffed up (gods plan) and he has a thought in his head that he wants to be higher and be worshipped. He gathers a third of the angels in heaven and starts gossiping. He has this idea in his head but has not actually performed it. He is still not guilty. Just a thought.

God sets a trap for him. He creates innocent Adam & Eve. The rest of the angels in heaven are still watching. Lucifer sees his opportunity and acts on the intents of his heart. He commits the first sin and now he is guilty. From there, sin catches and multiplies like a disease. The angels in heaven still watching can see what happens now when evil is present and the outcome of disobeying God.

God allowed evil to grow. He has a plan to make more spiritual children besides angels. He wants these ones to be different. He wants them to choose good over evil. These ones will be selected to live in his kingdom.

Lucifer, using man, is running the show now. Man has rejected God and he must suffer the consequences. Man will realise in time that we need God to survive. We cannot have a world run smooth without God. Man thinks he has all the answers to fix the problems. This will not happen. God said he will let evil grow to the maximum. He has a plan to destroy it in the end. He calls many of us to trust in him and fix our mind on spiritual things. Spiritual things are the word of God. Doing things his way. Following his instructions. If we do this, God will protect us from the enemy and will reward us at the appointed time. If we can be strong, we will be changed to spirit at the end and have everlasting life.

So Gods purpose is to reveal evil, and then destroy it, and renew the earth so that it becomes like heaven. He requires new children to fill his kingdom. Unfortunately, we have to go through it the hard way, and witness the consequences of evil. We will be wiser than the angels because we have gone through it and conquered it being only flesh and not spirit like them knowing God & heaven because they have seen him and been with him. They have no doubt of his existence & will. We on the other hand have this thing called faith now and trust him throught his Word. The word he left us in the bible. We can know him through this. He reveals all to us. But we have to search for it because it doesn't come handed to us on a silver plate. He wants us to put some effort in, and when we find him, we find life (everlasting life) and his word is truth. Everything he says will be fulfilled.

This from what I have read is Gods plan in short. I hope you will read for yourself to find out. May God bless you and fill your curiosity regarding his plan & our salvation through his son Jesus Christ. Take care.
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The answer is:

I don't know, If I did know I would be God.

I do have a guess though and more than likely its a small part of the answer. Creation consists of hot and cold and energy is wound up tight and loosely like metal springs. The power that created everything can be nullified by not believing God and on the other hand the power of God can reach into creation and change the entire planet and future by one person's faith (like Noah). Most of these metal springs are going to break and dissinagrate and some will be repaired and others will last forever.

My point in explaining it this way is that if this creation had to be like it is then the only two choices for God would be to make it and then get a few souls to join Him in Heaven the other choice is not to make it and be alone., God could have had a third choice to make a planet full of cuddly care bears who would never do anything thing bad I would think it would get old after a few thousand years though.
 
Dude653

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Sometimes i cant help but wonder ... if God knew lucifer was gonna cause so much trouble.. why did He creare Lucifer in the first place??
 
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oncemore said:
GOD did not make adam and eve flesh in gen.1.vs.26. its only in gen.2.vs.5. that happen in gen.2. and rev.12.vs.7. there was war in heaven. this war you see with mankind took palace in heaven. Some of us stood with Micheal.And do so here on earth. So yes he still all knowing And there is no FLAW in the LOVE OF GOD. IF YOUR NAME IS IN THAT BLOOD PART OF THAT BOOK i will see YOU there GOD BLESS YOU...
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angelos

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journey41 said:
Just curious, do Protestants confess to their pastors or just to God Himself?
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We sometimes confess to a pastor but it is not for forgiveness it is typically for help with a struggle and a desire for prayer and counseling. We hold only Christ can mediate for us to the father and that all sins were nailed to him on the cross and that he bore the sin debt we should have borne once and for all. Does this answer your question?
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angelos said:
Rosewater said:
We sometimes confess to a pastor but it is not for forgiveness it is typically for help with a struggle and a desire for prayer and counseling. We hold only Christ can mediate for us to the father and that all sins were nailed to him on the cross and that he bore the sin debt we should have borne once and for all. Does this answer your question?
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It does, thank you.
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journey41 said:
Just curious, do Protestants confess to their pastors or just to God Himself?
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I confess my sins to my brothers, actually we confess our sins to each other. So we can help each other. One pastor can not help his whole flock, especially if he has a large flock. My church hace disciple and cell groups where we help each other grow in Christ.
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journey41 said:
[/QUOTE]Be very careful what you say. God can hear everything. My brother said the same thing at your age and God took his life from him shortly after. Why? Maybe save him from getting himself deeper into sin and save him from being guilty of uttering worse things as he grew.

I strongly urge you young man to confess this sin and repent from speaking like this. God is in charge. He created us and he can destroy us. He can also raise us up again. He can do what he likes. He is the almightly and does everything for a purpose. Although he has an abundance of grace and mercy, he can get angry with us too. The fear of God is a good thing.
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A VERY BIG AMEN TO THAT SISTER!!! GOD BLESS!!
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Dude653 said:
Sometimes i cant help but wonder ... if God knew lucifer was gonna cause so much trouble.. why did He creare Lucifer in the first place??
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That is kind of like asking why He made certain individuals knowing they'd be in trouble (not really but kinda).
 
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