is our place in heaven?

[wakeup]

is our place in heaven? because this is what the churches teach and most of you have fallen for that. most of you have been conned and you fell for it because you dont look in to the scriptures your self. dont get upset,because now your foundation has been shaken. our place is not in heaven but on earth. lets see rev 22:12.behold i come quickly and MY REWARD IS WITH ME. SO IF YOU GO TO HEAVEN , YOU WILL MISS HIM.
he is coming and you are going,you wont get his reward. the 1000yr reign will be on earth,we will reign on earth ,not in heaven; although the resurected ones in spirit can be invited to come to heaven,this is very possible. remember the Lords prayer? thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. heaven will be on earth. didnt Jesus say I go to prepare a place for you; well if that place is heaven than it does not need preparing,for heaven has always been there. that place Jesus was talking about is earth.the 1000yr reign.

God is going to melt the earth with fervent heat, what is it for, if we are all in heaven?
rev.21:2 holy jerusalem is coming down from god?
verse3. God himself will dwell with men?
verse 10. holy jerusalem descending out of heaven?
verse24.the kings of the EARTH which are saved will bring their glory and honour in to it. verse 26.and they shall bring the the glory and honour into it?
all the focus is on earth.
so what is happening guys? I am sorry, but cant change the truth for you.back to the drawing board, check it out. there is nothing better than finding some more truth. may THE holy spirit guide you.

''wakeup''.

 

[unclefester]

I care not where I am........but only that I be in the presence of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

 

[aworldexport67]

Where is Jesus right now? we are told in scripture that when we die we will go right into His presence..

2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

the assumptions you made and you made alot of them are incorrect

22:12.behold i come quickly and MY REWARD IS WITH ME. SO IF YOU GO TO HEAVEN , YOU WILL MISS HIM.

Believers who are alive when He returns will not miss out nor will folks in Christ who have died already because those saints will be coming back with the Lord. They miss out on nothing..

"Jesus say I go to prepare a place for you; well if that place is heaven than it does not need preparing,for heaven has always been there. "

Yes heaven has always been there and contained now in heaven is a place that Jesus went to prepare for those that love Him. Read the verse its present tense its not saying i go to prepare a place for you at some far distant date..Jesus says presently He is going to prepare a place for us..Again where is Jesus now?

we will reign with Him on earth do you forget how the new jerusalem comes down out of heaven? those who have died in Christ will be with Him when He returns..

God is going to melt the earth with fervent heat, what is it for, if we are all in heaven?

You assume we are all dead and in heaven there will be alive believers when jesus returns..those who have died in Christ shall return with Him.

Tell me where is the thief Jesus took to paradise?

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven

Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Guess that rules you out for rewards too cause you aint in heaven.

Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Tell me where is your treasure stored?

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You better go stop those angels from wasting their time cause there are no saints in heaven according to you..



Sorry mate but you need to go back to the drawing board and ask for the guidence of the Holy Spirit cause your wrong. Scripture is clear.I could go on and on about heaven in scripture...it is a real place the Lord is there and when believers die they go right to be with Him..This is a biblical fact.

 

[wakeup]

Where is Jesus right now? we are told in scripture that when we die we will go right into His presence..
Jesus is next to GOd: and i am interested to see that scripture,that says the dead in christ are all in heaven at this moment.??
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
n.a.
the assumptions you made and you made alot of them are incorrect
fine,for this is what a dialogue is.
22:12.behold i come quickly and MY REWARD IS WITH ME. SO IF YOU GO TO HEAVEN , YOU WILL MISS HIM.

Believers who are alive when He returns will not miss out nor will folks in Christ who have died already because those saints will be coming back with the Lord. They miss out on nothing..
if we are in heaven, why would he come down with his reward?(where does it say the saints are coming back?)this is new to me.
"Jesus say I go to prepare a place for you; well if that place is heaven than it does not need preparing,for heaven has always been there. "

Yes heaven has always been there and contained now in heaven is a place that Jesus went to prepare for those that love Him. Read the verse its present tense its not saying i go to prepare a place for you at some far distant date..Jesus says presently He is going to prepare a place for us..Again where is Jesus now?
he is working on it at the moment: God said;sit on my right hand, UNTILL i make your enemies your footstool (these enemies are not in heaven but on earth.) when the enemies are put down,Christ will setup his kingdom on earth(dan.2:44) this is the place.
we will reign with Him on earth do you forget how the new jerusalem comes down out of heaven? those who have died in Christ will be with Him when He returns..
this will happen after the 1000yrs; not at his coming.dont confuse them.
God is going to melt the earth with fervent heat, what is it for, if we are all in heaven?

You assume we are all dead and in heaven there will be alive believers when jesus returns..those who have died in Christ shall return with Him.
no bro, you are confusing the coming and the melting of the earth; once God starts to purify the earth it self(the globe) we all will be spirit,but this will happen after the 1000yrs. no flesh can survive such heat.
Tell me where is the thief Jesus took to paradise?

Mat 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven
yes, the kingdom is from heaven; not in heaven. the kingdom is from GOD.
Mat 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
answer, same as above.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
yes the reward is in heaven, christ will bring it with him when he comes.

Guess that rules you out for rewards too cause you aint in heaven.
at christ coming we all be on earth, some alive, some in the grave,the resurection will only happen at his coming. the 7th trump,not before exept the 24 elders.
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
the reward is in heaven and christ will bring it with him when he comes.
Tell me where is your treasure stored?
not on earth, christ will come down and give it to me, i am not going up when christ says; I am coming down with your reward: Iwill be waiting very patiently.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You better go stop those angels from wasting their time cause there are no saints in heaven according to you..


the angels are coming down to reap the harvest,but you will say to the angels; there is none here; they have all gone to heaven. ????
Sorry mate but you need to go back to the drawing board and ask for the guidence of the Holy Spirit cause your wrong. Scripture is clear.I could go on and on about heaven in scripture...it is a real place the Lord is there and when believers die they go right to be with Him..This is a biblical fact.

this is a fact to your understanding,cause this is what you have been taught. now allow the scriptures to teach you. choose truth rather than your beloved club(your sanctuary).
bless you brother.

''wakeup''.

 

[pickles]

This is an interesting topic you have brought.
As I read through the NT, I saw that the simple, go to heaven, was not all there is.
At first, I was dismayed, simply because it was all that I had been taught.
But , now? The scriptures speak to much more and a diverce life in Jesus .
I cannot claim much understanding yet.
But I know and trust in Jesus, that whatever is given, will be perfect, and all to the Glory of God!

in Jesus, God bless.
pickles

 

[resurrection33]

If one repents of his sin, I think he will find himself in heaven, whether he likes it or not.

 

[wakeup]

I care not where I am........but only that I be in the presence of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

is that a wise answer? you seem to be very happy with that shallow answer.
there is no depth in it ,who is your teacher? ask for your money back. and find an other teacher if you are serious with your studies.

 

[wakeup]

If one repents of his sin, I think he will find himself in heaven, whether he likes it or not.

not that straight forward bro, for God will send to this world a GREAT DELUSION:
without a srong foundation the house will fall. this son of satan will be so persuasive, and powerfull; the world will accept him as God. and many christians will fall and believe a lie. the spirit is working right now preparing, paving the way for the false prophet. and i know it wont be long bro.

 

[aworldexport67]

It is clearly in scripture i didnt need anyone teaching me. You say the scriptures are wrong well show me how they are wrong?Seems to me your the one who is following some teacher. You did not address any of the points made nor the scriptures provided. That means these are just your "own" feelings" and not based upon any truth of God revealed in scriptures. How about you take your own advice and let the scriptures teache you because so far you have provided no backing whatsoever from the word of God.

Try again....

 

[dmdave17]

is that a wise answer? you seem to be very happy with that shallow answer.
there is no depth in it ,who is your teacher? ask for your money back. and find an other teacher if you are serious with your studies.

It's called "Faith", brother. I sort of thought it would be a prerequisite for a Christian web site.

 

[unclefester]

is that a wise answer? you seem to be very happy with that shallow answer.
there is no depth in it ,who is your teacher? ask for your money back. and find an other teacher if you are serious with your studies.

I'm not being sarcastic wakeup. I'm quite serious when I say that to be in Christ's presence is all that I want ......and seek. It doesn't matter to me what you or anybody else wants to call our eternal home. I have not been conned and my foundation isn't shaken.....I will be quite content just to be with my Lord, wherever He chooses that to be

 

[wakeup]

It is clearly in scripture i didnt need anyone teaching me. You say the scriptures are wrong well show me how they are wrong?Seems to me your the one who is following some teacher. You did not address any of the points made nor the scriptures provided. That means these are just your "own" feelings" and not based upon any truth of God revealed in scriptures. How about you take your own advice and let the scriptures teache you because so far you have provided no backing whatsoever from the word of God.

Try again....

why not come up with your explenation, instead of just nocking and mocking,a true christian wont have that kind of spirit,you are revealing your spirit, and it does not look good.

 

[NoahsMom]

I care not where I am........but only that I be in the presence of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Truley beautiful fester, I totally got what you meant, if your in the presence of the Lord almighty, i dont know that I would have the presence of mind to care where I was either, all my eyes would see, is Him.

 

[aworldexport67]

Again you didnt address the questions. all you did was suggest im somehow brainwashed by teachers. Absent from the body present with the Lord. If the Lord is in heaven then put two and two together.

Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Where does Paul think he would be going if he died?

you didnt asnwer about the place the Lord goes to prepare?

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

you said heaven was finished there couldnt be anything else prepared..well sorry but Jesus says there is a place in heaven being prepared.where are these mansions? where is the Fathers house?

You didnt answer why store up treasures in heaven when we wont be going there?our treasure is in a place that thief cant steal nor moth or rust can devour.

Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

Makes no sense to store up treasure in a place we wont be going too..

You didnt asnwer where the thief on the cross went?

How about this verse?
2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

what men in heaven? another verse you have to get rid of in order for your theory to be true.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

who is speaking here? whose brothers were accused there are no believers in heaven according to you.

Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn thatsong but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Again who are these people in heaven? the verse asnwers who they are but id like to know who you think they are?

Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God

Much people in heaven? who are these people in heaven?

Sorry but there are too many passages you would have to get rid of in order to believe you. I'm not willing to carve up the scriptures.

 

[wakeup]

It's called "Faith", brother. I sort of thought it would be a prerequisite for a Christian web site.

faith without knowledge is called blind faith, and can be dangerous,look at them they have great faith, they blow them selves up for 72 virgins in heaven.

 

[wakeup]

Again you didnt address the questions. all you did was suggest im somehow brainwashed by teachers. Absent from the body present with the Lord. If the Lord is in heaven then put two and two together.

Php 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Where does Paul think he would be going if he died?

you didnt asnwer about the place the Lord goes to prepare?

where did jesus go with the thief?
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
yes and God is working on it right this minute, and Jesus is sitting next to him untill all enemies are put under his feet.
you said heaven was finished there couldnt be anything else prepared..well sorry but Jesus says there is a place in heaven being prepared.where are these mansions? where is the Fathers house?

many demensions,maybe 7 heavens, and the one that is being prepared is the heaven on earth. thy will be done on earth as in heaven. ON EARTH.
you didnt answer why store up treasures in heaven when we wont be going there?our treasure is in a place that thief cant steal nor moth or rust can devour
everytime you do something good,it is written in heaven you are storing up treasure in heaven,and christ will bring it with him when he comes.
Mat 6:20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, andwherethieves do not break through nor steal

Makes no sense to store up treasure in a place we wont be going too..

You didnt asnwer where the thief on the cross went? Jesus said paradise,the 1000yr reign on earth

How about this verse?
2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

in the resurection,when we are given a spirit body; this will happen on earth, then we can enter heaven if we are invited by God,but this earth is our home, we have work to do,teaching the jews that was brought back,to the 1000yr kingdom which consist of the flesh,and the resurected ones,in spirit. by the way we have to teach the gentiles living outside the kingdom also.
Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

in other words nobody can open the seal. there were only 24 elders in heaven, when the book was opened.
what men in heaven? another verse you have to get rid of in order for your theory to be true.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.that kingdom is coming,from above down to earth.

who is speaking here? whose brothers were accused there are no believers in heaven according to you.

we are the brothers that satan is accusing day and night: look at job.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:angels singing

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn thatsong but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

the 144000 are the specially choosen from the earth. and only them will meet the lord in the air when he comes, the rest will have to go through the tribulation.rev7:14.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Again who are these people in heaven? the verse asnwers who they are but id like to know who you think they are?as i said they will be the 144000, redeemed from the earth,and will meet the Lord in the air when he comes.

Rev 19:1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God

Much people in heaven? who are these people in heaven?

Jesus coming for the resurection, the much people are angels praising.
Sorry but there are too many passages you would have to get rid of in order to believe you. I'm not willing to carve up the scriptures.

no need to carve up the scripture,all you need is a little more searching, and you will be ok

''wakeup''.

 

[Adrianv125]

1. Revelation Chapter 4: The elders around the throne is the church raptured from the world IN HEAVEN.
2. In chapter 5 the great tribulation begins.
3. When Christ returns we will return with Him to the earth to reign FROM HEAVEN.
4. Whoever dies in Christ before the second coming of Christ to the earth, (which is when He will start His 1000 years reigning) will be in the presence of God in HEAVEN!.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (New King James Version)
We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Where is God? Yes you are right, in Heaven my friend

 

[Adrianv125]

Revelation 13:6 (New King James Version)

6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who DWELL IN HEAVEN.

 

[pickles]

faith without knowledge is called blind faith, and can be dangerous,look at them they have great faith, they blow them selves up for 72 virgins in heaven.

The difference is? When one has faith in the one true God inJesus!
Look through the OT and NT, faith is many many times that which sustains and is rewarded by God Our Father.
Paul in one of His letters speak to faith and hope.
That if one could see, then it would not be of faith or hope since one aready has recieved that which is hoped for through seeing.
One can know what they hope for, but they stiil believe in what they cannot see.
Jesus spoke to those that believe without seeing, and how they are blessed.
The wrong is not blind faith.
But the wrong can be what or better said who or what, they put thier faith in.
Jesus said, he came to make the blind see and the deaf hear through faith!

In Jesus, God bless.
pickles

 

[journey41]

1. Revelation Chapter 4: The elders around the throne is the church raptured from the world IN HEAVEN.
2. In chapter 5 the great tribulation begins.
3. When Christ returns we will return with Him to the earth to reign FROM HEAVEN.
4. Whoever dies in Christ before the second coming of Christ to the earth, (which is when He will start His 1000 years reigning) will be in the presence of God in HEAVEN!.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (New King James Version)
We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Where is God? Yes you are right, in Heaven my friend

[/QUOTE]1. Incorect. There are only 24 elders around the throne. They are present & witnesses to the Lamb opening up the seals. The whole church is not standing around the throne from the scripture you quoted,only the 24 elders. These are the very very elect.

2. Incorrect. Tribulation does not start at chapter 5. It starts at chapter 6:8 - The pale horse. The false prophet will bring tribulation. Chapter 5 is the Lamb opening the book of Revelations (The seals)

3. Incorrect.When Christ returns, we will meet him in the air. Not come down from heaven. ONLY Christ comes down from heaven with his angels. The dead will rise first.

Rev 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and the trump of God: and THE DEAD IN CHRIST shall RISE FIRST.

4. Whoever dies in Christ before the 2nd coming of Christ is still dead in the ground. Sorry but this is the truth. But not to worry, we will be resurrected in a blink of an eye. We will reign with Christ for 1000 years. This is correct, but in the presence of the Lamb on Earth. Jesus will hand his Kingdom back to God after the 1000 years is completed.

1 Corin 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be SUBJECT unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

When Christ returns, we will meet him IN THE AIR, then land on the earth to reign from Mt Zion (Israel) Not reign from heaven. We would have access though to travel back and forth to heaven. So if Christ is reigning on the earth we will be with him here.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings & priest: and we shall reign ON THE EARTH.

You see, we have to study the scriptures carefully or we will go off track. God bless.