Modern Day Prophets or Pride?

[superdave5221]

Reprint from previous thread:

The following is from The Book of Romans, by Jim McGuiggan, Montex Publishing Co., Lubbock TX, 1982, pp. 55-56. Highlighting is mine.

All that Paul is and does is for the name of Christ. That is, it is for Christ. "For Christ" is the phrase that sums up Paul's life best. And that name, Jesus Christ, is the name at which every knee will bow and it is that name which every tongue will confess. It is a name which will never be forgotten. It is the only name under heaven and given among men whereby we can be saved (Acts 4:12). It is the name which the Holy Spirit leads men to confess as Lord (1 Corinthians 12:3). The Holy Spirit never leads people to continually talk about him (the Spirit) nor does he lead people to continually talk about their experiences. It was Jesus himself who said the Spirit would "not speak of himself, but whatsoever things he heareth that shall he speak. He shall take of mine and declare it unto you..." (John 16:13ff). There is something wrong with a movement that makes the Spirit the center of everything when the Spirit (as the Bible clearly reveals) makes Jesus the center of everything. There is something wrong with a movement which makes the experiences of the believer the center when in the New Testament those who are moved by the Spirit make the experience of Jesus the center of everything.

I really think that it is a shame that those claiming spiritual gifts talk so much about their alleged prophetic abilities, and so little time talking about Jesus. Why is that? Is it pride?

I have noticed that many of the same people, (not all) tend to look down on Bible study, as they supposedly have a more direct channel to the Truth. I have to wonder if the reason for this is that the bible, (which everyone can read), takes the spotlight off of them and their alleged abilities, and puts it on Christ, where it belongs. I hate to say it, but it reminds me of the Pharisees who had to sit in the front rows in the synagogues, as a sign of their rank and importance. Jesus said that the least would be first. Has that slipped by without you noticing.

I have to also wonder how these people can believe that Christ, who has been given "all authority" by God, needs prophets, as well as Holy Spirit to administer His kingdom? Every single Christian out there has Holy Spirit, as well as God's word, to guide them, but some of us need prophets as well it seems.

Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit is all that I need to know God. In my opinion, only those who are lacking in the Holy Spirit, or are remiss in their knowledge and walk with Christ, are in need of prophets. I hope you find one, for I have yet to see one in this site.

 

[phil36]

All that Paul is and does is for the name of Christ. That is, it is for Christ. "For Christ" is the phrase that sums up Paul's life best. And that name, Jesus Christ, is the name at which every knee will bow and it is that name which every tongue will confess. It is a name which will never be forgotten. It is the only name under heaven and given among men whereby we can be saved (Acts 4:12). It is the name which the Holy Spirit leads men to confess as Lord (1 Corinthians 12:3). The Holy Spirit never leads people to continually talk about him (the Spirit) nor does he lead people to continually talk about their experiences. It was Jesus himself who said the Spirit would "not speak of himself, but whatsoever things he heareth that shall he speak. He shall take of mine and declare it unto you..." (John 16:13ff). There is something wrong with a movement that makes the Spirit the center of everything when the Spirit (as the Bible clearly reveals) makes Jesus the center of everything. There is something wrong with a movement which makes the experiences of the believer the center when in the New Testament those who are moved by the Spirit make the experience of Jesus the center of everything.

Hi Dave,

Excellent food for thought.

""There is something wrong with a movement that makes the Spirit the center of everything when the Spirit (as the Bible clearly reveals) makes Jesus the center of everything. There is something wrong with a movement which makes the experiences of the believer the center when in the New Testament those who are moved by the Spirit make the experience of Jesus the center of everything."""



wise words indeed.

 

[aworldexport67]

It is easy to spot the false teachers,healers,prophets,or other gift holders. All you have to do is watch,look and see whom the glory goes to. Who is the focal point.Who gets the credit and the glory. Does one walk away with great thoughts of the performer or do you walk away praising God. When a "prophet" speaks listen very carefully. The one trait a false prophet, teacher, healer have is pride.The focus is on them. They need aplause and a pat on the back.They also dont like folks reading up on the scriptures they would rather folks rely on their gifts.

 

[zone]

Reprint from previous thread:

The following is from The Book of Romans, by Jim McGuiggan, Montex Publishing Co., Lubbock TX, 1982, pp. 55-56. Highlighting is mine.

All that Paul is and does is for the name of Christ. That is, it is for Christ. "For Christ" is the phrase that sums up Paul's life best. And that name, Jesus Christ, is the name at which every knee will bow and it is that name which every tongue will confess. It is a name which will never be forgotten. It is the only name under heaven and given among men whereby we can be saved (Acts 4:12). It is the name which the Holy Spirit leads men to confess as Lord (1 Corinthians 12:3). The Holy Spirit never leads people to continually talk about him (the Spirit) nor does he lead people to continually talk about their experiences. It was Jesus himself who said the Spirit would "not speak of himself, but whatsoever things he heareth that shall he speak. He shall take of mine and declare it unto you..." (John 16:13ff). There is something wrong with a movement that makes the Spirit the center of everything when the Spirit (as the Bible clearly reveals) makes Jesus the center of everything. There is something wrong with a movement which makes the experiences of the believer the center when in the New Testament those who are moved by the Spirit make the experience of Jesus the center of everything.

I really think that it is a shame that those claiming spiritual gifts talk so much about their alleged prophetic abilities, and so little time talking about Jesus. Why is that? Is it pride?

I have noticed that many of the same people, (not all) tend to look down on Bible study, as they supposedly have a more direct channel to the Truth. I have to wonder if the reason for this is that the bible, (which everyone can read), takes the spotlight off of them and their alleged abilities, and puts it on Christ, where it belongs. I hate to say it, but it reminds me of the Pharisees who had to sit in the front rows in the synagogues, as a sign of their rank and importance. Jesus said that the least would be first. Has that slipped by without you noticing.

I have to also wonder how these people can believe that Christ, who has been given "all authority" by God, needs prophets, as well as Holy Spirit to administer His kingdom? Every single Christian out there has Holy Spirit, as well as God's word, to guide them, but some of us need prophets as well it seems.

Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit is all that I need to know God. In my opinion, only those who are lacking in the Holy Spirit, or are remiss in their knowledge and walk with Christ, are in need of prophets. I hope you find one, for I have yet to see one in this site.

yep.
good resource.
thanks again.

 

[wakeup]

Reprint from previous thread:

The following is from The Book of Romans, by Jim McGuiggan, Montex Publishing Co., Lubbock TX, 1982, pp. 55-56. Highlighting is mine.

All that Paul is and does is for the name of Christ. That is, it is for Christ. "For Christ" is the phrase that sums up Paul's life best. And that name, Jesus Christ, is the name at which every knee will bow and it is that name which every tongue will confess. It is a name which will never be forgotten. It is the only name under heaven and given among men whereby we can be saved (Acts 4:12). It is the name which the Holy Spirit leads men to confess as Lord (1 Corinthians 12:3). The Holy Spirit never leads people to continually talk about him (the Spirit) nor does he lead people to continually talk about their experiences. It was Jesus himself who said the Spirit would "not speak of himself, but whatsoever things he heareth that shall he speak. He shall take of mine and declare it unto you..." (John 16:13ff). There is something wrong with a movement that makes the Spirit the center of everything when the Spirit (as the Bible clearly reveals) makes Jesus the center of everything. There is something wrong with a movement which makes the experiences of the believer the center when in the New Testament those who are moved by the Spirit make the experience of Jesus the center of everything.

I really think that it is a shame that those claiming spiritual gifts talk so much about their alleged prophetic abilities, and so little time talking about Jesus. Why is that? Is it pride?

I have noticed that many of the same people, (not all) tend to look down on Bible study, as they supposedly have a more direct channel to the Truth. I have to wonder if the reason for this is that the bible, (which everyone can read), takes the spotlight off of them and their alleged abilities, and puts it on Christ, where it belongs. I hate to say it, but it reminds me of the Pharisees who had to sit in the front rows in the synagogues, as a sign of their rank and importance. Jesus said that the least would be first. Has that slipped by without you noticing.

I have to also wonder how these people can believe that Christ, who has been given "all authority" by God, needs prophets, as well as Holy Spirit to administer His kingdom? Every single Christian out there has Holy Spirit, as well as God's word, to guide them, but some of us need prophets as well it seems.

Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit is all that I need to know God. In my opinion, only those who are lacking in the Holy Spirit, or are remiss in their knowledge and walk with Christ, are in need of prophets. I hope you find one, for I have yet to see one in this site.

the prophets are untill john,incase you dont knowrophesies is still in scripture, is not done away with,and is still to be taught; i know ,prophesies is not preached for many,many yrs it has been ignored,it is too gloomy and negative. it is a sranger to you.
if prophets would have been alive today,they wont hesitate to hang them, like they did to Jesus.

''wakeup".

 

[pickles]

One can agree that there is an overuse, even corruption seen where all the attention is on the person rather than Jesus.
But the Holy Spirit is alive and working in many, its simply these are not seen, all is said so that the eyes go to Jesus!

in Jesus, God bless.
pickles

 

[AnandaHya]

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Ok I thought Spiritual Gifts were given to ALL God's children according to the GRACE of the Holy Spirit and Prophecy is listed as one of these gifts. Some on the site believe in the cessation of the spiritual gifts but I'm sorry it doesn't make Biblical sense to me. Would somebody explain the reasoning using scriptures. Please do not just cut and paste articles unless they include God's HOLY Scriptures.

Romans 12
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

1 Corinthians 13:8-15 (New King James Version)

8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

we do not see Jesus face to face and we do not know as we are known, therefore perfection has not come and the gifts have not ceased. I don't understand how you can say they have without twisting scripture to fit man made traditions.

there are alot of fake people out there scamming the mass and God will deal with them, but what about the humble folk just trying to spread the Gospel, will you discount their testimony of how God works in this world still? You don't hear alot about them because they don't publizes and refuse the media atttention, they just hold small church services and pray and preach and allow God to heal and work in their lives and the lives of the community.

Its not national, its not flashy or money hungry, the churches focus on reading the Bible and having FAITH and people are simply healed: no laying on of hands or flashy show, just preaching and singing hymns, that way no MAN can claim the power due to the HOLY SPIRIT.

I just don't understand how the cessation of gifts stance is based on the Bible it is not supported by the Bible and what I've observed in the world.

 

[livingbygrace]

It is easy to spot the false teachers,healers,prophets,or other gift holders. All you have to do is watch,look and see whom the glory goes to. Who is the focal point.Who gets the credit and the glory. The one trait a false prophet, teacher, healer have is pride.The focus is on them. They need aplause and a pat on the back..

How true that is

He who speaks on his own does so to gain honour for himself, but he who works for the honour of the one who sent him is a man of truth, there is nothnig false about him

John 7:18&19

 

[oncemore]

Reprint from previous thread:

The following is from The Book of Romans, by Jim McGuiggan, Montex Publishing Co., Lubbock TX, 1982, pp. 55-56. Highlighting is mine.

All that Paul is and does is for the name of Christ. That is, it is for Christ. "For Christ" is the phrase that sums up Paul's life best. And that name, Jesus Christ, is the name at which every knee will bow and it is that name which every tongue will confess. It is a name which will never be forgotten. It is the only name under heaven and given among men whereby we can be saved (Acts 4:12). It is the name which the Holy Spirit leads men to confess as Lord (1 Corinthians 12:3). The Holy Spirit never leads people to continually talk about him (the Spirit) nor does he lead people to continually talk about their experiences. It was Jesus himself who said the Spirit would "not speak of himself, but whatsoever things he heareth that shall he speak. He shall take of mine and declare it unto you..." (John 16:13ff). There is something wrong with a movement that makes the Spirit the center of everything when the Spirit (as the Bible clearly reveals) makes Jesus the center of everything. There is something wrong with a movement which makes the experiences of the believer the center when in the New Testament those who are moved by the Spirit make the experience of Jesus the center of everything.

I really think that it is a shame that those claiming spiritual gifts talk so much about their alleged prophetic abilities, and so little time talking about Jesus. Why is that? Is it pride?

I have noticed that many of the same people, (not all) tend to look down on Bible study, as they supposedly have a more direct channel to the Truth. I have to wonder if the reason for this is that the bible, (which everyone can read), takes the spotlight off of them and their alleged abilities, and puts it on Christ, where it belongs. I hate to say it, but it reminds me of the Pharisees who had to sit in the front rows in the synagogues, as a sign of their rank and importance. Jesus said that the least would be first. Has that slipped by without you noticing.

I have to also wonder how these people can believe that Christ, who has been given "all authority" by God, needs prophets, as well as Holy Spirit to administer His kingdom? Every single Christian out there has Holy Spirit, as well as God's word, to guide them, but some of us need prophets as well it seems.

Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit is all that I need to know God. In my opinion, only those who are lacking in the Holy Spirit, or are remiss in their knowledge and walk with Christ, are in need of prophets. I hope you find one, for I have yet to see one in this site.

THIS what you are saying may be right but you just said IN MY OPINION, NOW THATs
just you speaking like you said the bible points to jesus christ not peoples OPINION. AND THIS SOUND LIKE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT BIBLE PROPHET IS HE DOES NOT TALK OF HIS OPINION BUT GODS WORD NOT SAYING THERE IS ANY BIBLE PROPHETS IN CC HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND!

 

[AnandaHya]

no one is in need of prophets, but that does not mean that God does not chose to use them.

Everyone is in NEED of JESUS and God's WORDS found in the HOLY BIBLE, but NO ONE should limit in their minds and hearts WHAT God can do and WHO God choses to use. "Those who are lacking in the Holy Spirit, or remiss in their knowledge and walk with Christ." Everyone was once in this state before the Grace of GOD entered their life and showed them that JESUS CHRIST LIVES and sends the Holy Spirit to be the ONE Teacher and Comforter.

Prophecy is the foretelling of the future and speaking God's words into people's life.

Everyone should spread this prophecy which is the key of the Gospel:

"Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross of Calvary and ROSE again, defeating death and through His Resurrection holds the promise to all who will BELIEVE and if you have FAITH that Jesus is your LORD AND SAVIOR then HE WILL Send the HOLY SPIRIT to live in your heart and guide, teach and comfort you."

You see the people you speak this prophecy too have not yet heard or do not yet accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior, therefore do not have the Holy Spirit to guide them. That is why I think prophecy is still needed for it speaks the future and of God's promise to the world through our Lord Jesus Christ.

so what is the difference between prophecy and the office of prophet?

John 3:7-9 (New King James Version)

7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

 

[Lifelike]

So God uses Pastors and Teachers, and Evangelists, just not Prophets and Apostles now? There were prophets in operation in the early church (after Jesus), and there is no logical, scriptural reason to believe that the office of prophet has ceased today.

" Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul." ACTS 13:1
"And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed [them]." ACTS 15:32
"And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch." ACTS 11:27
Just to name a few instances.
When Paul was instructing the churches in 1 Cor 14:29 he said "Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge."
And explains in 1 Cor 12:28 "And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues."
Prophets were obviously a part of the Church government in the New Testament (Five Fold Ministry gifts) and there is no reason to believe they shouldnt be today. Yes pride can be an issue, and so can self promotion, but usually with unwhole prophets, but more likely with the false - which ALWAYS accompanies the true. Also Pastors and teachers and evangelist can be just as easily prideful and arrogant!

Concerning Christ centred ministry - Christ is the All in All, and it is His Spirit that moves the prophet to speak - or act. A true prophet will have been refined, through many fires of hardship, hardship that would crush the normal person (not called to the office), and it is to the Glory of God that it is Christ that remains in them when the testing is complete. Prophets are chosen for the office, and are NEVER self oppointed. How dare we think that we can choose our calling?? Christ appoints, Christ chooses, Christ rules in His church. And the five fold governmental offices of Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher, are set in place to mature the body until it attains to the fullness of the stature of Christ - and then the end will come. The end times are not about the world, its about the work of God on the earth. And trust me, you are going to want to know prophets and apostles when things get reallly close to the end.

Ask me how I know this - Called as a prophet. And not afraid to say it.

 

[unclefester]

no one is in need of prophets, but that does not mean that God does not chose to use them.

This is a first...or maybe not. God is the giver of those things we do not need ?

Everyone is in NEED of JESUS and God's WORDS found in the HOLY BIBLE, "but" NO ONE should limit in their minds and hearts WHAT God can do and WHO God choses to use. "Those who are lacking in the Holy Spirit, or remiss in their knowledge and walk with Christ." Everyone was once in this state before the Grace of GOD entered their life and showed them that JESUS CHRIST LIVES and sends the Holy Spirit to be the ONE Teacher and Comforter.

Everyone is in need of Jesus Christ for the saving of their souls.....His saving grace freely given to those who have repented and believed. One cannot repent and believe without first the conviction of God's Holy Spirit. I am not limiting in my heart and mind what God can do ......I am living proof of what God has already done. And that is He has saved me, a lost and undeserving sinner and counted me as "righteous" because of my faith. THIS is the grace of God. It is not Him showing us through His Spirit "who really is and who really isn't a modern day prophet".....that thing we are not in need of as you correctly stated.

Prophecy is the foretelling of the future and speaking God's words into people's life.

What exactly is "speaking God's word into people's lives" ? What does this mean ?

Everyone should spread this prophecy which is the key of the Gospel:

Christ's sacrifice on the cross for our sins is the key of the gospel.....THIS is what should be spread. That we, who were once lost are now saved by His grace through faith.

so what is the difference between prophecy and the office of prophet?

Nothing.....although some would say otherwise. Those of old who prophesied were prophets.....period. Those who say they have the "gift of prophecy" but are not a prophet are trying to separate that which cannot be separated. It's like saying I have the gift of love.... without loving ( Or, I am not one who loves). It makes no sense whatsoever ....and claiming it for oneself through "faith" doesn't make it so.

 

[unclefester]

Concerning Christ centred ministry - Christ is the All in All, and it is His Spirit that moves the prophet to speak - or act. A true prophet will have been refined, through many fires of hardship, hardship that would crush the normal person (not called to the office), and it is to the Glory of God that it is Christ that remains in them when the testing is complete. Prophets are chosen for the office, and are NEVER self oppointed. How dare we think that we can choose our calling?? Christ appoints, Christ chooses, Christ rules in His church. And the five fold governmental offices of Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher, are set in place to mature the body until it attains to the fullness of the stature of Christ - and then the end will come. The end times are not about the world, its about the work of God on the earth. And trust me, you are going to want to know prophets and apostles when things get reallly close to the end.

Ask me how I know this - Called as a prophet. And not afraid to say it.

And we have yet another "prophet" in our midst (who is not afraid to say so) ..... to whom God has given so much more including the authority to speak on God's behalf through hardships that would crush us normal person's that have been merely saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. When things get really close to the end, it is Christ and Him alone that I want to know. Matter of fact, this is all I have ever wanted OR needed. And I much prefer not to "trust" you. But thanks anyways.

 

[zone]

And we have yet another "prophet" in our midst (who is not afraid to say so) ..... to whom God has given so much more including the authority to speak on God's behalf through hardships that would crush us normal person's that have been merely saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. When things get really close to the end, it is Christ and Him alone that I want to know. Matter of fact, this is all I have ever wanted OR needed. And I much prefer not to "trust" you. But thanks anyways.

2 agree....

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus... Jesus........

 

[wakeup]

So God uses Pastors and Teachers, and Evangelists, just not Prophets and Apostles now? There were prophets in operation in the early church (after Jesus), and there is no logical, scriptural reason to believe that the office of prophet has ceased today.

" Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul." ACTS 13:1
"And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed [them]." ACTS 15:32
"And in these days came prophets from Jerusalem unto Antioch." ACTS 11:27
Just to name a few instances.
When Paul was instructing the churches in 1 Cor 14:29 he said "Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge."
And explains in 1 Cor 12:28 "And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues."
Prophets were obviously a part of the Church government in the New Testament (Five Fold Ministry gifts) and there is no reason to believe they shouldnt be today. Yes pride can be an issue, and so can self promotion, but usually with unwhole prophets, but more likely with the false - which ALWAYS accompanies the true. Also Pastors and teachers and evangelist can be just as easily prideful and arrogant!

Concerning Christ centred ministry - Christ is the All in All, and it is His Spirit that moves the prophet to speak - or act. A true prophet will have been refined, through many fires of hardship, hardship that would crush the normal person (not called to the office), and it is to the Glory of God that it is Christ that remains in them when the testing is complete. Prophets are chosen for the office, and are NEVER self oppointed. How dare we think that we can choose our calling?? Christ appoints, Christ chooses, Christ rules in His church. And the five fold governmental offices of Apostle, Prophet, Evangelist, Pastor and Teacher, are set in place to mature the body until it attains to the fullness of the stature of Christ - and then the end will come. The end times are not about the world, its about the work of God on the earth. And trust me, you are going to want to know prophets and apostles when things get reallly close to the end.

Ask me how I know this - Called as a prophet. And not afraid to say it.

DONT FORGET BRO, the prophets are untill john; we just quoting prophesies,and interpreting the prophesies,because they have been ignored for many yrs. prophesies are new to them, it is a stranger to them.

 

[Lifelike]

And we have yet another "prophet" in our midst (who is not afraid to say so) ..... to whom God has given so much more including the authority to speak on God's behalf through hardships that would crush us normal person's that have been merely saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. When things get really close to the end, it is Christ and Him alone that I want to know. Matter of fact, this is all I have ever wanted OR needed. And I much prefer not to "trust" you. But thanks anyways.

A "pastor" is not afraid to say hes a pastor, or a "teacher" say hes a teacher. Who do they think they are?? We should all know how to hear Gods voice, but yes those called to leadership ie 5 fold ministry, are held to greater account and a stricter judgement. To be able to stand this takes preperation - u would be foolish to set yourself up as a leader in Gods church without being called be God to it. Any man that does not submit to authority is lawless, Gods kingdom like any kingdom has authorities and leaders. Do you even attend a church? We are saved by grace through faith (thats obvious...) the bible also talks about the testing of our faith to produce Godly character, we dont just believe once on Christ, and say thank u Jesus, now im saved and will continue as i am. we need to be transform by the renewing of our minds and the bible is clear that many hardships will come, but those who perservere to the end will be saved.
And yes when things get really close to the end you would definately want to know Jesus, thats what its all about isnt it? we do want to hear the words "i never knew you - depart from me"? But the man that has no need of Gods appointed leadership, and goes in his own way, doing whatever suits himself, that shuns Gods order, will be unlikely found in Christ, when the end comes. To be a believer that is not accountable to anyone is unscriptural.
The bible is FULL of leadership and kingdom structure and pattern, every thing we do should be by grace through faith.

 

[AnandaHya]

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This is a first...or maybe not. God is the giver of those things we do not need ? God gave us the whole world are you in need of it all?

It is not Him showing us through His Spirit "who really is and who really isn't a modern day prophet".....that thing we are not in need of as you correctly stated. that was never the issue or the definition given as "grace" Grace alone saves souls but we are talking about the maintaining of God's earthly church and what is need to do that.

The issue is that you and others on the site would like to deny GOD's WRITTEN WORDS in the Bible and twist it to say there are no longer spiritual gifts and they ceased when the Bible clearly states they are for ministry and the edification, exhortation and comforting of the church. Does the church no longer need to be edified, exhorted or comforted that prophecy has been done away with?

What exactly is "speaking God's word into people's lives" ? What does this mean ?

[COLOR= "purple"]It means telling them what is written in the Bible in a way that makes it relevant to their lives and allows God to plant the seed of grace in their mind through the hearing of His holy Words.

The Holy Spirit can cause people to prophesies without them being a prophet. Was King Saul what you would consider a prophet? Yet when the Holy Spirit took hold of him before his coronation he prophesied, until the Holy Spirit left him due to his sins and disobedience and went to David upon the annointing by the prophet Samuel. Yet most do not consider King Saul a prophet, why is that?


Hebrews 3:12-15 (New King James Version)

12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. 14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end, 15 while it is said:

“ Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”[a]

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit speaks into the hearts of believers or has that "gift" ceased as well in your doctrines?


Romans 12:3-8 (New King James Version)

Serve God with Spiritual Gifts


3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith. 4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

why do you still believe that ministry, teaching, exhortation, giving/charity, leadership, and mercy are still active in the world but prophecy is not?

the Bible warns about cutting out parts of the Bible you don't like to fit man made doctrines.

 

[AnandaHya]

Jesus is the gate that leads to Heaven, our lives are to be dedicated to walking HIS chosen path for us and accepting His chastening when we stray or do not move when told to move or stay when told to stay or help others when ordered to help, not so that we will be saved but so that we may share the Love that God first gave us through grace and His sacrifice on the cross. God wants us to grow and learn and be more like Jesus every day. you don't need "prophets" but you do need to listen to your brethren when they try and tell you that you might have strayed off the path and test their words with the reading of the Holy Bible and be honest and gain the treasure of common sense.


Hebrews 12

The Race of Faith

1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
The Discipline of God


3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:


“ My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

 

[zone]

A "pastor" is not afraid to say hes a pastor, or a "teacher" say hes a teacher. Who do they think they are?? We should all know how to hear Gods voice, but yes those called to leadership ie 5 fold ministry, are held to greater account and a stricter judgement. To be able to stand this takes preperation - u would be foolish to set yourself up as a leader in Gods church without being called be God to it. Any man that does not submit to authority is lawless, Gods kingdom like any kingdom has authorities and leaders. Do you even attend a church? We are saved by grace through faith (thats obvious...) the bible also talks about the testing of our faith to produce Godly character, we dont just believe once on Christ, and say thank u Jesus, now im saved and will continue as i am. we need to be transform by the renewing of our minds and the bible is clear that many hardships will come, but those who perservere to the end will be saved.
And yes when things get really close to the end you would definately want to know Jesus, thats what its all about isnt it? we do want to hear the words "i never knew you - depart from me"? But the man that has no need of Gods appointed leadership, and goes in his own way, doing whatever suits himself, that shuns Gods order, will be unlikely found in Christ, when the end comes. To be a believer that is not accountable to anyone is unscriptural.
The bible is FULL of leadership and kingdom structure and pattern, every thing we do should be by grace through faith.

Matthew 7:22
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’