Book of Daniel

[AnandaHya]

one of our brethren has just accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior Last year and has just finished reading all the New Testament and wants to start the reading of the Old Testament with the book of Daniel. I wanted to see if anyone wanted to join us on the study of God's holy word with accompanying commentary by various Christian scholars?

I'll post the first chapter and we can go from there for those interested.

Daniel 1 (New King James Version)

Daniel 1

Daniel and His Friends Obey God

1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. 2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with some of the articles of the house of God, which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the articles into the treasure house of his god.
3 Then the king instructed Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring some of the children of Israel and some of the king’s descendants and some of the nobles, 4 young men in whom there was no blemish, but good-looking, gifted in all wisdom, possessing knowledge and quick to understand, who had ability to serve in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the language and literature of the Chaldeans. 5 And the king appointed for them a daily provision of the king’s delicacies and of the wine which he drank, and three years of training for them, so that at the end of that time they might serve before the king. 6 Now from among those of the sons of Judah were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. 7 To them the chief of the eunuchs gave names: he gave Daniel the name Belteshazzar; to Hananiah, Shadrach; to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abed-Nego.
8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank; therefore he requested of the chief of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself. 9 Now God had brought Daniel into the favor and goodwill of the chief of the eunuchs. 10 And the chief of the eunuchs said to Daniel, “I fear my lord the king, who has appointed your food and drink. For why should he see your faces looking worse than the young men who are your age? Then you would endanger my head before the king.”
11 So Daniel said to the steward[a] whom the chief of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, 12 “Please test your servants for ten days, and let them give us vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then let our appearance be examined before you, and the appearance of the young men who eat the portion of the king’s delicacies; and as you see fit, so deal with your servants.” 14 So he consented with them in this matter, and tested them ten days.
15 And at the end of ten days their features appeared better and fatter in flesh than all the young men who ate the portion of the king’s delicacies. 16 Thus the steward took away their portion of delicacies and the wine that they were to drink, and gave them vegetables.
17 As for these four young men, God gave them knowledge and skill in all literature and wisdom; and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
18 Now at the end of the days, when the king had said that they should be brought in, the chief of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar. 19 Then the king interviewed them, and among them all none was found like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah; therefore they served before the king. 20 And in all matters of wisdom and understanding about which the king examined them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers who were in all his realm. 21 Thus Daniel continued until the first year of King Cyrus.
Footnotes:
Daniel 1:11 Hebrew Melzar, also in verse 16
Daniel 1:19 Literally talked with them

 

[Meridoc]

Daniel is a good book, did you know he predicted Jesus' triumphal entrance into Jerusalem to the day?

 

[wakeup]

one of our brethren has just accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and savior Last year and has just finished reading all the New Testament and wants to start the reading of the Old Testament with the book of Daniel. I wanted to see if anyone wanted to join us on the study of God's holy word with accompanying commentary by various Christian scholars?

I'll post the first chapter and we can go from there for those interested.

Daniel 1 (New King James Version)

Daniel 1

Daniel and His Friends Obey God

1 In the third year of the reign of Jehoiakim king of Judah, Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon came to Jerusalem and besieged it. 2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with some of the articles of the house of God, which he carried into the land of Shinar to the house of his god; and he brought the articles into the treasure house of his god.
3 Then the king instructed Ashpenaz, the master of his eunuchs, to bring some of the children of Israel and some of the king’s descendants and some of the nobles, 4 young men in whom there was no blemish, but good-looking, gifted in all wisdom, possessing knowledge and quick to understand, who had ability to serve in the king’s palace, and whom they might teach the language and literature of the Chaldeans. 5 And the king appointed for them a daily provision of the king’s delicacies and of the wine which he drank, and three years of training for them, so that at the end of that time they might serve before the king. 6 Now from among those of the sons of Judah were Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah. 7 To them the chief of the eunuchs gave names: he gave Daniel the name Belteshazzar; to Hananiah, Shadrach; to Mishael, Meshach; and to Azariah, Abed-Nego.
8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s delicacies, nor with the wine which he drank; therefore he requested of the chief of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself. 9 Now God had brought Daniel into the favor and goodwill of the chief of the eunuchs. 10 And the chief of the eunuchs said to Daniel, “I fear my lord the king, who has appointed your food and drink. For why should he see your faces looking worse than the young men who are your age? Then you would endanger my head before the king.”
11 So Daniel said to the steward[a] whom the chief of the eunuchs had set over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, 12 “Please test your servants for ten days, and let them give us vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then let our appearance be examined before you, and the appearance of the young men who eat the portion of the king’s delicacies; and as you see fit, so deal with your servants.” 14 So he consented with them in this matter, and tested them ten days.
15 And at the end of ten days their features appeared better and fatter in flesh than all the young men who ate the portion of the king’s delicacies. 16 Thus the steward took away their portion of delicacies and the wine that they were to drink, and gave them vegetables.
17 As for these four young men, God gave them knowledge and skill in all literature and wisdom; and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.
18 Now at the end of the days, when the king had said that they should be brought in, the chief of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar. 19 Then the king interviewed them, and among them all none was found like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah; therefore they served before the king. 20 And in all matters of wisdom and understanding about which the king examined them, he found them ten times better than all the magicians and astrologers who were in all his realm. 21 Thus Daniel continued until the first year of King Cyrus.
Footnotes:
Daniel 1:11 Hebrew Melzar, also in verse 16
Daniel 1:19 Literally talked with them

lets go to ch.2 start with the proph. of daniel

 

[zone]

Daniel is a good book, did you know he predicted Jesus' triumphal entrance into Jerusalem to the day?

I LOVE THAT PART

 

[approaching_armageddon]

Studying Daniel is a great idea. So, I suppose we're supposed to make our comments on the passage quoted? I'll make an observation that I find compelling.

Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego were all young at the time they were taken into captivity. According to John Gill, Aben Ezra thought that they were probably between 15 and 20 years old at the time. (They couldn't have been much younger than that because Daniel was moved to a higher place of authority shortly after he was captured.) Either way, they had to leave their homeland, family, friends, and everything familiar. Nevertheless, they were like men in the faith. Unwilling to compromise their principles, they stood up for God's truth even when things were tough. Furthermore, there is no indication that they were suffering from depression or excessive sorrow. Instead, they were standing strong, and they weren't moved to sin by their suffering. It is really a staggering fact.

It is easy for us to encounter hard times and become bitter, angry, annoyed or depressed. These young men put us to shame. The only explanation of their steadfastness (besides God's work in their lives) was that they never lost the hope of God's future deliverance, a deliverance that gives us the courage to confront hardship with joy and patience. I don't think it was accidental that Daniel was meditating on Jeremiah 25:11-12 in Daniel 9. In Jeremiah 25:11-12, Jeremiah prophesied that the Babylonian captivity would come to an end after 70 years. Daniel was meditating on this passage because he always kept his eyes on God's future promises, and that allowed him to be patient through present difficulties. This is why it is important for us to focus on God's coming deliverance--it will help us persevere with joy through suffering.

Either way, I'm sure there's a lot of other things we could look at in Daniel 1, so I look forward to hearing what others have to say.

Yours in Christ,
Daniel Davidson
Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution

 

[wakeup]

Studying Daniel is a great idea. So, I suppose we're supposed to make our comments on the passage quoted? I'll make an observation that I find compelling.

Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego were all young at the time they were taken into captivity. According to John Gill, Aben Ezra thought that they were probably between 15 and 20 years old at the time. (They couldn't have been much younger than that because Daniel was moved to a higher place of authority shortly after he was captured.) Either way, they had to leave their homeland, family, friends, and everything familiar. Nevertheless, they were like men in the faith. Unwilling to compromise their principles, they stood up for God's truth even when things were tough. Furthermore, there is no indication that they were suffering from depression or excessive sorrow. Instead, they were standing strong, and they weren't moved to sin by their suffering. It is really a staggering fact.

It is easy for us to encounter hard times and become bitter, angry, annoyed or depressed. These young men put us to shame. The only explanation of their steadfastness (besides God's work in their lives) was that they never lost the hope of God's future deliverance, a deliverance that gives us the courage to confront hardship with joy and patience. I don't think it was accidental that Daniel was meditating on Jeremiah 25:11-12 in Daniel 9. In Jeremiah 25:11-12, Jeremiah prophesied that the Babylonian captivity would come to an end after 70 years. Daniel was meditating on this passage because he always kept his eyes on God's future promises, and that allowed him to be patient through present difficulties. This is why it is important for us to focus on God's coming deliverance--it will help us persevere with joy through suffering.

Either way, I'm sure there's a lot of other things we could look at in Daniel 1, so I look forward to hearing what others have to say.

Yours in Christ,
Daniel Davidson
Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution

you have read jer25. read it again and again,and again.its telling us deeper things. just hve to go deeper,you wont be sorry.

 

[AnandaHya]

lets go to ch.2 start with the proph. of daniel

How about we do a chapter a week? we can give everyone a chance to read and comment on it?

 

[wakeup]

How about we do a chapter a week? we can give everyone a chance to read and comment on it?

it is the prophesies we have to learn,the rest is not hard to uderstand.
this way we can go through a lot quicker.

 

[AnandaHya]

ok wakeup post what you want to discuss. here are some websites if people want to research what is being said on the subject. I suggest reading with discernment and critical thinking skills.

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/daniel.html

Daniel Bible Prophecy - Daniel Bible Study

The Book of Daniel is unsealing - Middle East and Prophecy!

Daniel

Bible Study and Commentary of Revelation and Daniel Prophecy

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ok so that is what a quick google search yeilds, what are your thoughts on it all?

 

[wakeup]

ok wakeup post what you want to discuss. here are some websites if people want to research what is being said on the subject. I suggest reading with discernment and critical thinking skills.

The End Times Prophecies of the Prophet Daniel

Daniel Bible Prophecy - Daniel Bible Study

The Book of Daniel is unsealing - Middle East and Prophecy!

Daniel

Bible Study and Commentary of Revelation and Daniel Prophecy

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ok so that is what a quick google search yeilds, what are your thoughts on it all?

lets study the image.starting with the head of gold.=kingdom of king neb.(babylon)
the arms chest of silver=the kingdom of the medes and persia.(darius and cyrus)
the belly and thighs of brass=the kingdom of greece.(alexander the great)
the legs of iron=the roman empire(the ceasars) this is the old roman empire.
now the feet are iron mixed with clay(mixed people)this is the new roman empire,we are in now: the british empire(all english speaking nations.)we are now in this time period. what comes next will be the 10 toes,also iron mixed with clay(mixed people.)
this will be the last kingdom of men, non more after this, because the stone that is cut out of a moutain in heaven(gods kingdom in heaven)is Jesus coming down to destroy this last 10 toes kingdom. and God will start his 1000yr kingdom on earth, dan 2:44.
so we are now living in the period of the 2feet, and we are going towards the ten toes,and this corespond with rev.17:12.16(horns represent kings) 10 horns=10kings.

lets go to rev13:1---the beast coming out of the sea(populations, people)with 7 heads and 10 horns,the 7heads represents 7 empires throughout history.1.egypt,2syria,3babylon,4medo-persia,5greece,6old rome(the ceasars),7new rome, the british empire we are in now.out of this empire will immerge the 8th(the10 toes) it is coming soon.rev17:10 there are 7 kings; 5 are fallen(1,2,3,4,5.) gone.
in the days of john the 6th(roman) was in power.the 10 horns(kings) is on the 8thhead,because the 8th head is of the 7th,the 7th transforming it self into a new power the new world order.lets stop here for the moment,please ask questions.
''wakeup''.

 

[approaching_armageddon]

Before I ask my question, wakeup, I thought I'd mention that I've actually published a book on the end times--Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution--and there are a few chapters on the prophecies of Daniel. I highly recommend that anyone interested in prophecy read it before we run out of time to prepare for what's coming. (As I understand it, Scripture indicates we're in for a rough ride the next four to five years, and it will be hard to make preparations after this year.) Also, it should be very helpful when we get to Daniel 7.

That said, I have a question, wakeup:

The first beast in Revelation 13 is a ten horned beast. In Daniel 7, that ten-horned beast is clearly the Roman beast and is distinguished from the three beasts that went before it. So why would you think that the heads of the ten-horned beast in Revelation 13 would represent the Babylonian Empire, Medo-Persian Empire, and Greek/Hellenstic Empire, when the ten-horned beast is clearly distinguished from those kingdoms in Daniel?

I look forward to reading your reply.

Regards,
Dan

 

[wakeup]

Before I ask my question, wakeup, I thought I'd mention that I've actually published a book on the end times--Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution--and there are a few chapters on the prophecies of Daniel. I highly recommend that anyone interested in prophecy read it before we run out of time to prepare for what's coming. (As I understand it, Scripture indicates we're in for a rough ride the next four to five years, and it will be hard to make preparations after this year.) Also, it should be very helpful when we get to Daniel 7.

That said, I have a question, wakeup:

The first beast in Revelation 13 is a ten horned beast. In Daniel 7, that ten-horned beast is clearly the Roman beast and is distinguished from the three beasts that went before it. So why would you think that the heads of the ten-horned beast in Revelation 13 would represent the Babylonian Empire, Medo-Persian Empire, and Greek/Hellenstic Empire, when the ten-horned beast is clearly distinguished from those kingdoms in Daniel?

I look forward to reading your reply.

Regards,
Dan

the old babylonian empire is no more, its gone.and so are the others,we are now in the great babylon.

the dreadful beast in rev 7. with the10 horns is not the old roman empire,how so?
if you read verse11. you will see that this beast was cast into the lake of fire. this corresponds with rev19:20 the beast and the false prophet(little horn) was cast into the lake of fire; so this 10 horned beast in dan. is not the old roman empire but the new roman empire. must becareful ,sometimes God jumps from one era to another.
the 10 horned beast in rev.13 has 7 heads six are past,read rev.17:9--10. the 7th head has the 10 horns the one that is wounded to death.this empire coresponds with the 10 toes in the image of daniel: the last of mans kingdom on earth.
''wakeup''.

 

[approaching_armageddon]

the old babylonian empire is no more, its gone.and so are the others,we are now in the great babylon.

the dreadful beast in rev 7. with the10 horns is not the old roman empire,how so?
if you read verse11. you will see that this beast was cast into the lake of fire. this corresponds with rev19:20 the beast and the false prophet(little horn) was cast into the lake of fire; so this 10 horned beast in dan. is not the old roman empire but the new roman empire. must becareful ,sometimes God jumps from one era to another.
the 10 horned beast in rev.13 has 7 heads six are past,read rev.17:9--10. the 7th head has the 10 horns the one that is wounded to death.this empire coresponds with the 10 toes in the image of daniel: the last of mans kingdom on earth.
''wakeup''.

The dreadful beast in Dan. 7 is the old Roman Empire, but it continues to the end of the age in various forms. For example, to this day the Western powers derive their identity historically, social-politically, and culturally from the ancient Roman Empire. (Look at the architecture in Washington D.C., for example. Or look at the largest religion in the West: Roman Catholicism, with an ecclesiastical monarch in Rome, etc.)

The idea, here, is that the ten horns and ten toes have been around for well over 1,500 years, since the fall of the Roman Empire. They aren't literally ten kingdoms, just as the ten toes in Daniel aren't made up of exactly ten different divisions of metals. The toes and horns represent a hodgepodge of weaker and stronger kingdoms that arose from the ashes of the unified Roman Empire. So we don't need a huge gap, where we inexplicably jump from one era to another.

That said, the seven heads in Rev. 17 are different forms of government in the Roman Empire. That, it seems to me, makes a lot more sense than claiming that one of the heads of the Roman Beast was the Babylonian Empire. After all, the Babylonian Empire was an empire that never existed at the same time as the Roman Empire or of some future collection of kingdoms.

That said, I enjoy chatting with you about this. I look forward to your response.

--Dan
Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution

 

[wakeup]

Before I ask my question, wakeup, I thought I'd mention that I've actually published a book on the end times--Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution--and there are a few chapters on the prophecies of Daniel. I highly recommend that anyone interested in prophecy read it before we run out of time to prepare for what's coming. (As I understand it, Scripture indicates we're in for a rough ride the next four to five years, and it will be hard to make preparations after this year.) Also, it should be very helpful when we get to Daniel 7.
IN FOUR OR FIVE YRS WE WILL SEE THE FALSE PROPHET,HE WILL APPEAR ON OUR T V SCREEN.
That said, I have a question, wakeup:

The first beast in Revelation 13 is a ten horned beast. In Daniel 7, that ten-horned beast is clearly the Roman beast and is distinguished from the three beasts that went before it. So why would you think that the heads of the ten-horned beast in Revelation 13 would represent the Babylonian Empire, Medo-Persian Empire, and Greek/Hellenstic Empire, when the ten-horned beast is clearly distinguished from those kingdoms in Daniel?

I look forward to reading your reply.

Regards,
Dan

REV 13 REPRESENT 7HEADED BEAST WITH 10 HORNS AND ONE HEAD IS WOUNDED TO DEATH. INTHIS CASE THE 6 HEADS ARE PAST, HISTORY rev17:9.10.
the wounded head is the 7th head with the 10horns.

 

[wakeup]

The dreadful beast in Dan. 7 is the old Roman Empire, but it continues to the end of the age in various forms. For example, to this day the Western powers derive their identity historically, social-politically, and culturally from the ancient Roman Empire. (Look at the architecture in Washington D.C., for example. Or look at the largest religion in the West: Roman Catholicism, with an ecclesiastical monarch in Rome, etc.)

The idea, here, is that the ten horns and ten toes have been around for well over 1,500 years, since the fall of the Roman Empire. They aren't literally ten kingdoms, just as the ten toes in Daniel aren't made up of exactly ten different divisions of metals. The toes and horns represent a hodgepodge of weaker and stronger kingdoms that arose from the ashes of the unified Roman Empire. So we don't need a huge gap, where we inexplicably jump from one era to another.

That said, the seven heads in Rev. 17 are different forms of government in the Roman Empire. That, it seems to me, makes a lot more sense than claiming that one of the heads of the Roman Beast was the Babylonian Empire. After all, the Babylonian Empire was an empire that never existed at the same time as the Roman Empire or of some future collection of kingdoms.

That said, I enjoy chatting with you about this. I look forward to your response.

--Dan babylon the great ,mother of harlots,she is a spiritual woman,she is not the empire it self.she is sitting on them,the 7heads.
Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution

you notice this woman; the mother of harlots babylon the great is sitting on7 heads:1egypt.2syria,3babylon,4medo persia,5greece,6roman,7british. this woman is spiritual; this same spirit has followed the 7heads: the 7th head is the british empire,physically ,with the woman still sitting on its head.

 

[wakeup]

The dreadful beast in Dan. 7 is the old Roman Empire, but it continues to the end of the age in various forms. For example, to this day the Western powers derive their identity historically, social-politically, and culturally from the ancient Roman Empire. (Look at the architecture in Washington D.C., for example. Or look at the largest religion in the West: Roman Catholicism, with an ecclesiastical monarch in Rome, etc.)

The idea, here, is that the ten horns and ten toes have been around for well over 1,500 years, since the fall of the Roman Empire. They aren't literally ten kingdoms, just as the ten toes in Daniel aren't made up of exactly ten different divisions of metals. The toes and horns represent a hodgepodge of weaker and stronger kingdoms that arose from the ashes of the unified Roman Empire. So we don't need a huge gap, where we inexplicably jump from one era to another.

That said, the seven heads in Rev. 17 are different forms of government in the Roman Empire. That, it seems to me, makes a lot more sense than claiming that one of the heads of the Roman Beast was the Babylonian Empire. After all, the Babylonian Empire was an empire that never existed at the same time as the Roman Empire or of some future collection of kingdoms.

That said, I enjoy chatting with you about this. I look forward to your response.

--Dan
Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution

this babylon the great the mother of harlots is not the physical empire of babylon,she is the spirit of babylon,that followed all the empires. in other words she is the spirit of all the empires. the spirit of worshipping other gods and greed,lust,people worshipping gods made by mens hands,like mens technology,commerce,you name it.

 

[approaching_armageddon]

Wakeup,

Yes, six heads are past at the time John wrote the book of Revelation. Agreed. But they should be heads of the Roman Empire since the beast is obviously the fourth beast of Daniel and distinct from the three previous beasts. The seven heads are as follows: kings, consuls, dictators, decemvirs, tribunes, emperors, and the patriciate. These were the forms of government in Rome, and the emperors--who reigned at the time John wrote the book--were the sixth head of the Roman Empire.

Two things about the whore. The symbol of a women represents God's people. Hence the pure church is the "bride of Christ" that looks forward to the marriage supper of the Lamb, and Hosea's wife--a whore--represented God's people when they had turned to idolatry. The whore of Babylon, therefore, is an impure, idolatrous church that is seated on the city of seven hills, namely, Rome. That is, the whore of Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church. It does walk in the spirit of Babylon, namely, it is given to idolatry, haughtiness, and seems to be influenced by ancient Babylonian mystery religions.

That said, I don't know if we're making any progress, here. Is anyone else reading along and benefiting by this discussion?

--Dan

 

[wakeup]

Wakeup,

Yes, six heads are past at the time John wrote the book of Revelation. Agreed. But they should be heads of the Roman Empire since the beast is obviously the fourth beast of Daniel and distinct from the three previous beasts. The seven heads are as follows: kings, consuls, dictators, decemvirs, tribunes, emperors, and the patriciate. These were the forms of government in Rome, and the emperors--who reigned at the time John wrote the book--were the sixth head of the Roman Empire.

Two things about the whore. The symbol of a women represents God's people. Hence the pure church is the "bride of Christ" that looks forward to the marriage supper of the Lamb, and Hosea's wife--a whore--represented God's people when they had turned to idolatry. The whore of Babylon, therefore, is an impure, idolatrous church that is seated on the city of seven hills, namely, Rome. That is, the whore of Babylon is the Roman Catholic Church. It does walk in the spirit of Babylon, namely, it is given to idolatry, haughtiness, and seems to be influenced by ancient Babylonian mystery religions.

That said, I don't know if we're making any progress, here. Is anyone else reading along and benefiting by this discussion?

--Dan

the feet,iron mixed with clay is the new roman empire we are in now.the old roman empire; the legs is past;dissolved; the feet is with us now,and it also has the spirit of babylon; we know what this world is after? they are not after God and thats for sure,they all after the same thing, and we know what they are after; riches, power , greed , the material, money, success, all for material blessings, we also worship our technology,things made by mans hands.these are the gods this world worship. the 10 kings in rev17:16. wil will hate the whore(this system, woman) shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh,and burn her with fire; this is what the 10 kings is going to do to this woman(system) it is happening at this moment, the world system will go bankrupt,purposely done. to make way for a new system. verse 18. the woman which thou sawest,is that great city,which reigneth over the KINGS OF THE EARTH: THIS WOMAN IS REIGNING OVER THIS KINGDOM ALSO. can you identify this woman that is now?
dont forget the 10 toes will come and it will be the last kingdom of men. it will be destroyed at the coming, and God is setting up his 1000yr reign on earth.
''wakeup''.

 

[Cleante]

The dreadful beast in Dan. 7 is the old Roman Empire, but it continues to the end of the age in various forms. For example, to this day the Western powers derive their identity historically, social-politically, and culturally from the ancient Roman Empire. (Look at the architecture in Washington D.C., for example. Or look at the largest religion in the West: Roman Catholicism, with an ecclesiastical monarch in Rome, etc.)

The idea, here, is that the ten horns and ten toes have been around for well over 1,500 years, since the fall of the Roman Empire. They aren't literally ten kingdoms, just as the ten toes in Daniel aren't made up of exactly ten different divisions of metals. The toes and horns represent a hodgepodge of weaker and stronger kingdoms that arose from the ashes of the unified Roman Empire. So we don't need a huge gap, where we inexplicably jump from one era to another.

That said, the seven heads in Rev. 17 are different forms of government in the Roman Empire. That, it seems to me, makes a lot more sense than claiming that one of the heads of the Roman Beast was the Babylonian Empire. After all, the Babylonian Empire was an empire that never existed at the same time as the Roman Empire or of some future collection of kingdoms.

That said, I enjoy chatting with you about this. I look forward to your response.

--Dan
Approaching Armageddon: Disaster, War and Persecution

A lot of the architecture in the DC area is Greek Revival and not Roman. Another good percentage of the buildings are late Victorian / Gothic era architecture.

Kali Anastasi!

 

[AnandaHya]

I just thought I'd post some of my favorite verses from the Book of Daniel. Notice that Daniel didn't try to understand or comprehend things himself, he and his friends prayed for guidance. Also note what Daniel did after God revealed His wisdom. He Blesed the God of Heaven. I think we should all remember and follow Daniel's example and BLESS God whenever He reveals His knowledge and wisdom to us and pertaining to our lives Hope everyone has a blessed day!



Daniel 2:16-23 (New King James Version)

16 So Daniel went in and asked the king to give him time, that he might tell the king the interpretation. 17 Then Daniel went to his house, and made the decision known to Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah, his companions, 18 that they might seek mercies from the God of heaven concerning this secret, so that Daniel and his companions might not perish with the rest of the wise men of Babylon. 19 Then the secret was revealed to Daniel in a night vision. So Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
20 Daniel answered and said:


“ Blessed be the name of God forever and ever,
For wisdom and might are His.
21 And He changes the times and the seasons;
He removes kings and raises up kings;
He gives wisdom to the wise
And knowledge to those who have understanding.
22 He reveals deep and secret things;
He knows what is in the darkness,
And light dwells with Him.
23 “ I thank You and praise You,
O God of my fathers;
You have given me wisdom and might,
And have now made known to me what we asked of You,
For You have made known to us the king’s demand.”