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Feb 14, 2011
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how can you discern the good church from the fake church?
the church that ignore the prophesies are the fake churches. the spirit of that church is not right,because it only likes to preach the good things that God promised and will give. the spirit of get:God will do this for you,and god will bless you with good things.and they cover up the things the things, what God is going to do to this world,because it is not good for preaching gloom; they want the flock to come back,next sunday. preaching the prophesies is preaching doom.but the people love it that way.

they are giving what the people wants; nice soothing words that is empty. all they want is to increase and get bigger,quality is not important anymore.quantity is what they want,this is the reason why god is so angry,but they say no harm can come to us,for we belong to God, he will save us in time of trouble.and these people make their church,each of them their own church their sanctuary,believing that they are in the Lord,but God judge the heart of each person.The good church preach the whole book of the bible,teaching them how God works, so we can know him,what he realy wants from us.
he wants us to learn about him,all about him not part of him.to know the prophesies is building a strong foundation so that your doctrine wont be blown in every way by different kinds of doctrines.once you have the truth no one can take it away from you,not even the devil himself and he will not come near you,because he knows that God is with you,and God can put him away by your prayers. i know some of you will make bad comments, that is expected.

''wakeup''.
 

phil36

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how can you discern the good church from the fake church?
the church that ignore the prophesies are the fake churches. the spirit of that church is not right,because it only likes to preach the good things that God promised and will give. the spirit of get:God will do this for you,and god will bless you with good things.and they cover up the things the things, what God is going to do to this world,because it is not good for preaching gloom; they want the flock to come back,next sunday. preaching the prophesies is preaching doom.but the people love it that way.

they are giving what the people wants; nice soothing words that is empty. all they want is to increase and get bigger,quality is not important anymore.quantity is what they want,this is the reason why god is so angry,but they say no harm can come to us,for we belong to God, he will save us in time of trouble.and these people make their church,each of them their own church their sanctuary,believing that they are in the Lord,but God judge the heart of each person.The good church preach the whole book of the bible,teaching them how God works, so we can know him,what he realy wants from us.
he wants us to learn about him,all about him not part of him.to know the prophesies is building a strong foundation so that your doctrine wont be blown in every way by different kinds of doctrines.once you have the truth no one can take it away from you,not even the devil himself and he will not come near you,because he knows that God is with you,and God can put him away by your prayers. i know some of you will make bad comments, that is expected.

''wakeup''.

Hi Wakeup,

Are you saying that we need to listen to someone prophesing in church rather than getting good scriptural teaching? I'm not exactly to sure what you are driving at!

"wakeup"
 
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giantone

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I think most churches have some fake things in them but that doesn't make them all bad.

the purpose of church:

W orship
I nstrtuct
F ellowship
E vangalise


I've been watching local church services on cable access and it has been very disappointing, they don't say anything but use lots of words. A church should at least do something except save the environment or give themselves a pat on the back for enduring for a whole hour some of there sermons seemed like a funeral, where they talk about Jesus in a past tense.
 
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Hi Wakeup,

Are you saying that we need to listen to someone prophesing in church rather than getting good scriptural teaching? I'm not exactly to sure what you are driving at!

"wakeup"

what i am saying is phil,teach the whole bible not only 25% of the bible for the flock need to know.
 
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I think most churches have some fake things in them but that doesn't make them all bad.

the purpose of church:

W orship
I nstrtuct
F ellowship
E vangalise

I've been watching local church services on cable access and it has been very disappointing, they don't say anything but use lots of words. A church should at least do something except save the environment or give themselves a pat on the back for enduring for a whole hour some of there sermons seemed like a funeral, where they talk about Jesus in a past tense.
they like to serve nice words, they know this is what the people wants,so they are serving the people ,not God.
 
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camragirl73

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well i know god works through our pastor and its all about the pepole in the church we make up the Church so look at yourself fix the stuff you need to fix so you dont blemish your church at least thats what iv done
 
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Tobby17

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You're very right.. if all the church does is to preach promises then u can be sure u're at the wrong place.. Nothing goes for Nothing. if the promises are to come to pass, the instructions must be obeyed. And so it is the duty of the church, to teach their congregation the instructions.. Moreover, Jesus said "By their fruits, you shall know them". However, we should note that there is nothing wrong in people teaching about the promises of God, bcos if they weren't important, they wouldn't be in the bible.. But,we should notice that this should not be the basis of Christainity or Church Services...

Well i guess that's about it, God bless. Hope i've made a little sense i'm not a pastor, so i can't really say many things..
 
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well i know god works through our pastor and its all about the pepole in the church we make up the Church so look at yourself fix the stuff you need to fix so you dont blemish your church at least thats what iv done

you make up your church,every one makes up their church,many churches to choose from, every one can have a choice,according to taste, lets go shopping for a church.
but not the true church.
 
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That is true that some Churches preach the things that people want to hear and do not teach them the strictness of living right by the Holy Spirit,and warning them to watch and be prepared,which lends a helping hand to the ongoing and worsening of the hypocrites.
 
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The good churches, I think, are the ones that humbly serve the Lord.
 

phil36

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what i am saying is phil,teach the whole bible not only 25% of the bible for the flock need to know.
I get you now wakeup. yes I agree the whole of scripture needs taught, thats why it is important to find a church where the bible is actually taught.

Hi Giant one I like your acrostic of WIFE, very good.

God bless.
 
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AnandaHya

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I think everyone needs a good church and a fellowship of True believers AND daily reading of the Holy Bible if God blesses them with the opportunity and leisure to attend and study.

how do you tell the difference? by their statement of faith: they should strive to follow ALL of the BIBLe and be lead by the Holy Spirit, not the current pastor or person but GOD should be the HEAD.

no church is perfect because PEOPLE make up a church, not the building but the FAMILY and connectedness of people and people aren't perfect.

the miracle is that so many different people can come together and agree on one thing: JESUS IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR.

that should be the basis for any Christian church., because how we love one another we show how God first loved us and gave His son to die for us.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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how can you discern the good church from the fake church?
the church that ignore the prophesies are the fake churches. the spirit of that church is not right,because it only likes to preach the good things that God promised and will give. the spirit of get:God will do this for you,and god will bless you with good things.and they cover up the things the things, what God is going to do to this world,because it is not good for preaching gloom; they want the flock to come back,next sunday. preaching the prophesies is preaching doom.but the people love it that way.

they are giving what the people wants; nice soothing words that is empty. all they want is to increase and get bigger,quality is not important anymore.quantity is what they want,this is the reason why god is so angry,but they say no harm can come to us,for we belong to God, he will save us in time of trouble.and these people make their church,each of them their own church their sanctuary,believing that they are in the Lord,but God judge the heart of each person.The good church preach the whole book of the bible,teaching them how God works, so we can know him,what he realy wants from us.
he wants us to learn about him,all about him not part of him.to know the prophesies is building a strong foundation so that your doctrine wont be blown in every way by different kinds of doctrines.once you have the truth no one can take it away from you,not even the devil himself and he will not come near you,because he knows that God is with you,and God can put him away by your prayers. i know some of you will make bad comments, that is expected.

''wakeup''.

The good church teaches the true Gospel. The false church will teach a false gospel which will only lead people to hell.

For the good churches, there are many types. Which is good because not everyone is the same or worships the same. As Long as they are growing in Christ, thats what matters.
 

zone

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the miracle is that so many different people can come together and agree on one thing: JESUS IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOR..
GOOD ONE ANANDA!
and that is the TRUTH!:D



*this applies to churches rooted in the love of Christ and in sound doctrine;)
 

pickles

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Although one can agree that many churches have lost sight of the goal.
Paul spoke to all things to all men in 1 Corr.9: 19 through 26.
He spoke to becoming all things to all men so that some may be saved.
Maby the answer is to save, that all will know Jesus!
Something to think about and consider here.

God bless.
pickles
 
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dentify and remove the Jezebel spirit


In the Bible, Jezebel was a powerful, wicked queen, and wife of a passive king called Ahab. She was a false prophetess who worshiped the false god, Baal. Baal was the god of prosperity, god of the harvests, god of fertility and sex. (Does this sound like some of the modern day gospels that some people preach?)
Child sacrifices were common. She was killed by several eunuchs at the order of commander Jehu.
Jezebel was a witch, and her spirit of witchcraft is still in operation today in the church, and in the world. It will take both a Jehu and the cooperation of the injured victims (spiritual eunuchs) to kill her again.
The Jezebel spirit is sociopathic. Behaviors you might see (3 or more):
1. They gain power by destroying others. It is like an adrenalin rush when they “win” over someone. They manage to get in positions of authority, and are difficult to displace, once there.
2. They are controlling, manipulative, bossy.
3. they can either be war-like in their personalities, so that they are intimidating,
or
so “sweet,” “perfect,” deceitful, “timid” and sneaky, they are able to fool and recruit others to join them. Sometimes they can be very charming and charismatic.
4. critical of others, vicious to the point of bloodthristy.
5. they are never wrong.
6. They recruit others in their charges against their victims. They act to persuade recruits, and do not give up this activity until the recruits are won over. If the potential recruits do not cooperate and buy into things, this angers them.
7. they are narcissic. While they can tend to be oversensitive themselves, they have no concern for the feelings of others. They are not sympathetic to their victims, and tend to play the role of victim themselves, in order to gain sympathy. This way the real victim is left stranded, and opposed by others if they ask for help. Being the center of attention really pleases them.
8. they lie, and they believe their own lie. Avoiding the truth, or intentionally acting to withhold truth is part of this. false picture is presented to others.
9. impulsive, failure to plan ahead. chaotic at times
10. lack of remorse after hurting someone. they justify the harm.
11. consistent irresponsibility.
12. irritability, aggressiveness (open , or subtle), can be quick tempered.
13. failure to conform to social norms. person is an “outlier” or non-conformist. has their own ways.
14. psychological counseling will not help, since they deny what they are.
15. claims to religious sentiments, but very superficial in devotion. Born-again status is debatable, and unlikely, but would have to be evaluated on an individual basis.
16. usually women, but can be men. The women tend to control their men with sex. And they pick passive men (Ahabs) so they can dominate them.
17. usually married. If single, could be lesbian, homosexual man, or promiscuous man.
18. They falsely accuse you, and they do NOT forgive you …..
How to break this spirit:
**since these individuals usually have achieved some level of authority, only someone who outranks them, or a group effort will work. If you are a woman, you need to strong and self confident. If you are a man, you need to be the same, and also not be influenced by threats or tears out of a woman. You also need to have enough male hormone to stand up to her. Also, if you are a man, and this is your wife, be sure the men in your support group can be trusted with her.
1. be sure you are not enabling this person; ie. you are not an “Ahab”
2. gather facts about the person’s activity and behavior, be able to prove it. you have to start by addressing real behavior. you cannot start by telling someone “they have a spirit.” Be prepared to question the person why they behave that way. Make a list of wrongs. Be prepared.
3. gather witnesses, who are also sincere believers (if in a church setting), or other credible authority figures, because the person will attack back, and deny everything. The aggressive types will use their authority to abuse, criticize, & threaten you, and try to have you discredited, or removed. The more sneaky types go into “victim hood” mode, immediately trying to solicit and recruit support, and make you look like you are the abusive one.
4. isolate the person. make sure their own recruits (buddies) are not around. It gets its power from others….so if you get it alone, it is more vulnerable, and more easily defeated. You have to remove the source of its power and “gang up” on it.
5. confront the person with the facts. – expect denial. They will lie through their teeth!!
6. Reject the person’s behavior based on the facts. Tell the person they will not be accepted back into the group unless they repent.
7. If the person repents – showing willingness to change- then
a. Church setting – as a group, bind and cast out the demonic spirit in Jesus name, and persist until it is gone. Expect high resistance, since it is a controlling (witch) spirit. There will be screaming and yelling before it is cast out. It will try to attack you and call you names. Also, expect and ignore plays of “victim hood” during deliverance. Sometimes the spirit cycles between being the attacker, and being a victim. This is to confuse you, so do not give in.
b. secular setting – document records, give warning that future behavior will be monitored. This is because their basic nature has not changed yet, and an eventual repeat of behavior will occur. If it does, the person needs to be fired.
8. Once the spirit is gone, the person needs support and counseling to examine how the spirit entered to begin with, so they can close the door on further attempts by the spirit to enter.
9. If the person does NOT repent, then cut off ties with the person, telling them forgiveness and deliverance is available to them. If you do not cut off ties, they will worry you to death and destroy your peace.
As one commenter stated: The Jezebel needs to learn the meaning of the word “NO!!!!!!!!!“
[FONT=&quot]*** So far, what has been explained is how to identify and possibly stop its activity. Understanding the roots of the Jezebel, and Healing for the person who has this spirit requires more insight. See the last link below for how to heal and deliver a fallen Jezebel. [/FONT]