Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

[nw2u]

I do believe the Sabbath is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. I believe that's Biblical?

I read somewhere that the reason the worship day was changed to Sunday was because Emperor Hadrian in the second century was persecuting Christians and they were trying to avoid persecution.

I also read that the tradition of Sunday worship including the Gospel, commentary and warnings, and bread, wine and water after a group prayer, were traditional to an observer of the ceremonies in, I think 160 A.D./C.E. writings of someone named Justin Martyr.

It seems that maybe the ceremonies were originally held on the sabbath? That may well be true since the apostles, would have thought that to be the day to do it. It may have been based in the bible or tradition, since some writers suggest that the day was moved and others suggest that it was made to be on Sunday because it was about the New Covenant and not the old.

Anyone have a time machine handy?

 

[Jackson123]

Perhaps you should read Benedict's interpretation of this document.
It sees things in a different light.

126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God,


who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things,(127) and as Saviour wills that all men be saved.(128) Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His


How you interpreted the red sentence brother?

To me it mean Muslim is include in the plan of salvation, because catholic believe islam professing to hold the faith of Abraham. Really?

Islam doesn't need to invite Jesus in his heart for his salvation?

This is attack bible teaching brother.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I do believe the Sabbath is sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. I believe that's Biblical?

I read somewhere that the reason the worship day was changed to Sunday was because Emperor Hadrian in the second century was persecuting Christians and they were trying to avoid persecution.

I also read that the tradition of Sunday worship including the Gospel, commentary and warnings, and bread, wine and water after a group prayer, were traditional to an observer of the ceremonies in, I think 160 A.D./C.E. writings of someone named Justin Martyr.

It seems that maybe the ceremonies were originally held on the sabbath? That may well be true since the apostles, would have thought that to be the day to do it. It may have been based in the bible or tradition, since some writers suggest that the day was moved and others suggest that it was made to be on Sunday because it was about the New Covenant and not the old.

Anyone have a time machine handy?

It was Constantine that changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday because after he converted to being Christian he wanted all of his followers in his army to convert also, but he saw that they did not change some of their traditions after being converted. So he instead of having them try to follow the original Christian traditions, he adopted theirs to make it easier on them. The Catholic church then backed him up with, deeming anything of old tradition that could be hard to follow for new converts would be a stumbling block.

 

[Tarheel]

Can you provide any historical evidence for this. When you are unalbe to do so will you apologize for your heresy?

 

[Jackson123]

It was Constantine that changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday because after he converted to being Christian he wanted all of his followers in his army to convert also, but he saw that they did not change some of their traditions after being converted. So he instead of having them try to follow the original Christian traditions, he adopted theirs to make it easier on them. The Catholic church then backed him up with, deeming anything of old tradition that could be hard to follow for new converts would be a stumbling block.

What I remember is,Ex Jesuit Dr Alberto rivera said: Constantine is Hi priest of pagan religion. He obligate his people to convert to catholic and he was not baptize til his last day of his life.

This is only a strategy to convert Christian into pagan religion.

He know that if Christianity contaminate with other teaching, it not christianity anymore.

So to make Christian convert to non Christian, all he need is to contaminate the teaching with pagan teaching.

Add Queen of heaven to Christianity than it not christian anymore.

The Question is If he believe the only Christian is the way to heaven, why don't he throw his position as Pontifex Maximus/High Priest of pagan.

Does he believe in Jesus and lead a pagan religion?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Can you provide any historical evidence for this. When you are unalbe to do so will you apologize for your heresy?

This is not heresy it is history, look it up for yourself. Just use your computer and look up Constantine and you will find it out. Oh and by the way I went to a Catholic church and took the classes. Reply to another thread Peter started the catholic church not Jesus. Then the Romans corrupted the church, this is in there own studies.

 

[kennethcadwell]

What I remember is,Ex Jesuit Dr Alberto rivera said: Constantine is Hi priest of pagan religion. He obligate his people to convert to catholic and he was not baptize til his last day of his life.

This is only a strategy to convert Christian into pagan religion.

He know that if Christianity contaminate with other teaching, it not christianity anymore.

So to make Christian convert to non Christian, all he need is to contaminate the teaching with pagan teaching.

Add Queen of heaven to Christianity than it not christian anymore.

The Question is If he believe the only Christian is the way to heaven, why don't he throw his position as Pontifex Maximus/High Priest of pagan.

Does he believe in Jesus and lead a pagan religion?

Well he was wrong Constantine was not Catholic he was considered a Christian by his own words. And if you go through history even today there are some branches of the Catholic church that believe Catholic's and Christians are separate groups.

 

[gotime]

If the Catholic Priesthood is derived from the apostles and as they say are infallible on doctrine then it goes to reason that so were the apostles and of course Jesus himself. yet how come the catholic Popes are changing what the apostles Jesus and God said?

 

[kennethcadwell]

If the Catholic Priesthood is derived from the apostles and as they say are infallible on doctrine then it goes to reason that so were the apostles and of course Jesus himself. yet how come the catholic Popes are changing what the apostles Jesus and God said?

Because the Roman empire went in and corrupted the church. They order the priest to share what people told them in confession so that they could arrest them, and made the church change other parts of doctrine to appease them. Through this process and helping put the ones they wanted as leaders of the church they taught you could not have a direct and personal relationship with God. You have to go through them which is the reasoning for the pope. They taught and still teach in some branches that the pope is the only one who has direct contact with God.

 

[gotime]

The Roman Catholic system is the Antichrist System/little horn of Daniel. there was a time when every Protestant knew this from the bible. Now people are ignorant of it. why? because the Jesuit order changed the way we read Prophecy.

Francisco Ribera gave us Futurism and Cardinal Robert Bellarmine among others. both Jesuits

Luis De Alcazar also a Jesuit Gave us Preterism.

why? because up till this point all Protestants/bible believing Christians used the Historisist method which lead every one of them to the inevitable conclusion that the pope was indeed the Antichrist.

Thus the Jesuits who were born to counter the reformation put out two different methods of interpretation in order to hide the fact that the Catholic Church is Antichrist.

Don't get me wrong there are good honest people in the Catholic church who simply do not know this truth. These two methods of interpretation have been adopted by many protestants and thus the ignorance today in Protestantism.

much more to it but study your history and things begin to make sense.

 

[Jackson123]

Well he was wrong Constantine was not Catholic he was considered a Christian by his own words. And if you go through history even today there are some branches of the Catholic church that believe Catholic's and Christians are separate groups.

Yup, Catholic and Christian is two different religion, like Hindu and Christian. We can't mix Jesus teaching with pagan Teaching and call it Christian.

In Indonesia, where I originally come from, there is a special pray call pray submission to Mary.


Doa Penyerahan Kepada Maria
Madah Bakti, 1991, No. 52Santa Maria, Bunda Tuhan kami Yesus Kristus, engkaulah Ratu dunia termulia. sudilah engkau menjadi ratu kami semua. Tunjukanlah kepada kami jalan menuju kesucian dan bimbinglah kami supaya jangan tersesat.
Kuasailah budi kami, supaya kami hanya mencari yang benar.
Kuasailah kehendak kami, supaya kami hanya menginginkan yang baik.
Kuasailah hati kami, supaya kami saling mengasihi sebagi saudara.
Kuasailah diri kami masing-masing dan segenap anggota keluarga.
Kuasailah segenap warga masyarakat, segala bangsa dan pembesar-pembesar dunia.
Sudilah engkau menjadi tali pengikat mereka semua dalam persatuan yang teguh.
Kuasailah seluruh umat manusia.
Bukakanlah jalan iman bagi mereka yang belum mengenal Putramu, Yesus.
Bantulah agar segala bangsa bersatu padu, hidup rukun dan damai.
Naungilah seluruh umat manusia, lebih-lebih yang dianiaya dan dikejar-kejar.
Tabahkanlah mereka di dalam penindasan dan terangilah mereka di dalam kegelapan, agar tetap setia kepada Yesus, Puteramu.
Hantarlah semua permohonan kami kepada Putramu, sang Maharaja kerajaan damai, tempat setiap doa permohonan dikabulkan, setiap beban hati diringankan dan segala kelemahan disembuhkan.
semoga orang yang mengenal kekuasaan-Nya dan menaruh harapan pada-Nya. sekali waktu melihat kemegahan kerajaan Putramu, yang bersama Bapa dan Roh Kudus hidup dan berkuasa, kini dan sepanjang masa. Amin


I hope I able to translate part of the prayer as persist as possible.

Submission Prayer To Mary
Hymn of devotion , 1991 , No. . 52


Holy Mary, Mother of our Lord Jesus Christ , thou noblest queen world . be the queen of us all . Show me the way to holiness and guide us so we not lost .(why not ask Jesus instead. Is Mary omnipotent, able to hear millions of Catholic prayer every where. How about on Sunday, millions catholic pray in the same time thousand in mexico, thousand in America is Mary present in mexico and america in the same time?)


Take charge of our mind , so we 're just looking for the right one. (Inviting the spirit of other human to take charge of our life It is possible for living human invite the death)

 

[2Thewaters]

I think we all are evil without Jesus
no one is more evil than another for any amount means you are lost.

The churches that say they follow the Bible but worship the catholic way are even more eveil, because they are more deceptive...

but that is not the point either

the main point is Jesus is good
the bible is a good way to live
and Jesus will give you BORN AGAIN POWER
to live right from now on

that is what counts

and you have the power to change your life and character

 

[Zinzerio]

Ok well we've got one for Islam that never seems to go away, so I figured in the interests of fairness we should have one for the Catholics too.

i am intrested know what you think do you think it is evil ?

 

[Zinzerio]

I tell you what i think. I think Gpd reaches people in different ways. Like roman catholic origin really is Italian.

And as you know there home is rome There church is rich there lifestyles over there is so much different to ours me personally would like to believe the lord would say what ever it takes to turn the gentiles around, but for the most part people without imagination or divine intervention which the catholics do believe in may be more hard work than others

 

[2Thewaters]

Rome doesnt believe in born again power of obedience to Gods commandments covenant
so they cant save you from your sins
and you cant go to heaven.

 

[Zinzerio]

well i may take some some flack for this but i believe that universalism is the only way forward

 

[Zinzerio]

sadly though peoples lack of imagination will give me some flack for this and say that this is a bad doctrin,,, wierd.

Universalism is a multi cultured society living together Ok amen an God bless

 

[Zinzerio]

Religion is culture to me, They all have there roots if ya trace them. But for most part i believe that own customs became some of there own interpretation of meaning, which i think you could call culture.
Equals hard work but if it works just the same and draws different folks of different strokes closer to the lord , then i think you call that divine intervention.

 

[Zinzerio]

When God said he sent his one and only son to the world, i believe that the world means all cultures and all ethnicities.
And being as the the Italians where governed by the Mob, the roman catholic church was pretty much quite strict on people who would preach a bad doctrin. i wonder how The roman catholics thought about Jesus being God back then

 

[Brother_Don]

Roman catholics have had a history of being evil. they used torture trying to convert any one that wasn't following their doctrine. they use to burn people at the stake, calling it a mercy killing, that if the person being burnt would feel how it felt to burn in hell , they may repent as they was burning to save them selves. in my mind torture is evil.