Is Roman Catholicism Evil?

[Musicus]

I am sorry, I do not understand what you say.

so you do not believe catholic teach about scapular?

Base on this article promise that whosoever dies wear scapular shall not suffer eternal fire is found in bull of pope john XXII

i check what is papa bull

A papal bull is a type of public decree, letters patent, or charter issued by a pope of the Roman Catholic Church. It is named after the leaden seal (bulla) that was traditionally appended to the end in order to authenticate it.

so if you say it is conspiracy, than you question pope john XXII authority

It is a gift to you from your Heavenly Mother.
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“WHOSOEVER DIES IN THIS GARMENT SHALL NOT SUFFER ETERNAL FIRE.”​

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- promise of Our Lady to St. Simon Stock on July 16, 1251
Frequently asked questions about wearing the brown scapular

History
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In the year 1251, in the town of Aylesford in England, Our Lady appeared to St. Simon Stock, a Carmelite. She handed him a brown woolen scapular and said, “This shall be a privilege for you and all Carmelites, that anyone dying in this habit shall not suffer eternal fire.” In time, the Church extended this magnificent privilege to all the laity who are willing to be invested in the Brown Scapular of the Carmelites and who perpetually wear it.

Devotion
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True devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary consists in three things: VENERATION, CONFIDENCE AND LOVE. By simply wearing the Scapular, we can tell her every moment of the day that we venerate her, love her and trust in her protection.

The Scapular Is a Silent Prayer
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As Our Lord taught us to say the Our Father, Our Blessed Mother taught us the value of the scapular. When we use it as a prayer, Our Lady draws us to the Sacred Heart of Her Divine Son. It is good, therefore, to hold the scapular in the hand. A prayer offered while holding the Scapular is as perfect as a prayer can be. It is especially in time of temptation that we need the powerful intercession of God’s Mother. The evil spirit is utterly powerless when the wearer of a scapular faces temptation, calling upon the Holy Virgin in this silent devotion. “If you had recommended yourself to me, you would not have run into such danger,” was Our Lady’s gentle reproach to Blessed Alan de la Roche, one of her devoted servants.

Enrollment in the Confraternity
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To be eligible for the scapular promise, one must be enrolled in the Brown Scapular Confraternity. This is a simple ceremony which can be performed by any priest (see below). The members of the Confraternity have the added benefit of sharing in all the spiritual benefits of the Carmelite Order.
According to a statement made by the Carmelite Fathers at the National Scapular Center, every priest now has the right to invest the faithful in the Brown Scapular and to substitute the rosary in lieu of the Little Office (see below).
The scapular must be 100% wool without plastic casing and should not be pinned or affixed to clothing. It is worn over the head, under one’s clothes, with one square of wool hanging on the chest and the other on the back. Pictures are not necessary.

The Sabbatine Privilege
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The Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel has promised to save those who wear the scapular from the fires of hell; She will also shorten their stay in purgatory if they should pass from this world still owing some debt of punishment.
This promise is found in a Bull of Pope John XXII. The Blessed Virgin appeared to him and, speaking of those who wear the Brown Scapular, said, “I, the Mother of Grace, shall descend on the Saturday after their death and whomsoever I shall find in purgatory I shall free so that I may lead them to the holy mountain of life everlasting.”
The Blessed Virgin assigned certain conditions which must be fulfilled:

1. Wear the Brown Scapular continuously.
2. Observe chastity according to one’s state in life (married/single).
3. Recite daily the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin OR Observe the fasts of the Church together with abstaining from meat on Wednesdays and Saturdays OR With permission of a priest, say five decades of Our Lady’s Most Holy Rosary OR With permission of a priest, substitute some other good work.
   

Pope Benedict XV, the celebrated World War I Pontiff, granted 500 days indulgence for devoutly kissing your scapular.

This is an advertisement from Sisters of Carmel's website. They are not officially connected to the RCC.

 

[Musicus]

to pst a film or movie as long as it say this is s movie, it is understandable, but to lie and fabricate an outh without present evident, like on my example, I do not think so.

You may also not believe me when I tell you it's OK to drive through a green light. The law is what it is. There is no requirement that what you copyright be true.

that what I think brother, let say people can't sue congress lib, they can sue me.

Yes, sir, if you publish it you can be sued for damages in civil courts in most countries, if damages can be proven to the courts' satisfaction. But again, the US Library of Congress is not, repeat not, a publishing house. You cannot be sued for filing a legitimate claim of copyright.

 

[Musicus]

You cannot be sued for filing a legitimate claim of copyright.

I need to amend this. In the US, unfortunately, anyone can sue anyone else for just about anything. But if your claim is truly legitimate you would win such suits in courts of law.

 

[Jackson123]

This is an advertisement from Sisters of Carmel's website. They are not officially connected to the RCC.

But papabull that say wear scapular save from eternal fire is legitimate

papabull that say kissing scapular will reduce 500 days time in purgatory is legitimate.

 

[Jackson123]

I need to amend this. In the US, unfortunately, anyone can sue anyone else for just about anything. But if your claim is truly legitimate you would win such suits in courts of law.

let say a person who put jesuit oath in us congress lib is fabricate, and other person due Him, can he win?

 

[Musicus]

let say a person who put jesuit oath in us congress lib is fabricate, and other person due Him, can he win?

Sue for what? Nothing is published. There are no damages. No, he can not win. It doesn't matter if it is all lies, if it is not published. Published means released to the public. When a copyright is granted it is not released to the public, hence it is not a published work. A lawsuit would be pointless, and no sitting judge with half a brain would allow it in court for anything other than copyright violations, like infringement or plagiarism, and that's a specialty court.

Even if it is published, like on the internet, there has to be damages provable for a lawsuit to get on a court docket. Just lying isn't good enough, or all news agencies would die painfully.

 

[Musicus]

But papabull that say wear scapular save from eternal fire is legitimate

papabull that say kissing scapular will reduce 500 days time in purgatory is legitimate.

This is from more than 600 years ago, are you saying the RCC teaches this? I couldn't find it in the catechism.

 

[Brian_Graham]

that what I think brother, let say people can't sue congress lib, they can sue me.

True. But since the copyright was registered in 1883, it would now be considered in the public domain.
And in all likelihood, the person who registered the copyright is long dead, making it rather difficult to sue him.

 

[Musicus]

It is a gift to you from your Heavenly Mother.
​

“WHOSOEVER DIES IN THIS GARMENT SHALL NOT SUFFER ETERNAL FIRE.”​

.

- promise of Our Lady to St. Simon Stock on July 16, 1251
Frequently asked questions about wearing the brown scapular

History
​

In the year 1251, in the town of Aylesford in England, Our Lady appeared to St. Simon Stock, a Carmelite. She handed him a brown woolen scapular and said, “This shall be a privilege for you and all Carmelites, that anyone dying in this habit shall not suffer eternal fire.” In time, the Church extended this magnificent privilege to all the laity who are willing to be invested in the Brown Scapular of the Carmelites and who perpetually wear it.

Devotion
​

True devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary consists in three things: VENERATION, CONFIDENCE AND LOVE. By simply wearing the Scapular, we can tell her every moment of the day that we venerate her, love her and trust in her protection.

The Scapular Is a Silent Prayer
​

As Our Lord taught us to say the Our Father, Our Blessed Mother taught us the value of the scapular. When we use it as a prayer, Our Lady draws us to the Sacred Heart of Her Divine Son. It is good, therefore, to hold the scapular in the hand. A prayer offered while holding the Scapular is as perfect as a prayer can be. It is especially in time of temptation that we need the powerful intercession of God’s Mother. The evil spirit is utterly powerless when the wearer of a scapular faces temptation, calling upon the Holy Virgin in this silent devotion. “If you had recommended yourself to me, you would not have run into such danger,” was Our Lady’s gentle reproach to Blessed Alan de la Roche, one of her devoted servants.

Enrollment in the Confraternity
​

To be eligible for the scapular promise, one must be enrolled in the Brown Scapular Confraternity. This is a simple ceremony which can be performed by any priest (see below). The members of the Confraternity have the added benefit of sharing in all the spiritual benefits of the Carmelite Order.
According to a statement made by the Carmelite Fathers at the National Scapular Center, every priest now has the right to invest the faithful in the Brown Scapular and to substitute the rosary in lieu of the Little Office (see below).
The scapular must be 100% wool without plastic casing and should not be pinned or affixed to clothing. It is worn over the head, under one’s clothes, with one square of wool hanging on the chest and the other on the back. Pictures are not necessary.

The Sabbatine Privilege
​

The Blessed Virgin of Mount Carmel has promised to save those who wear the scapular from the fires of hell; She will also shorten their stay in purgatory if they should pass from this world still owing some debt of punishment.
This promise is found in a Bull of Pope John XXII. The Blessed Virgin appeared to him and, speaking of those who wear the Brown Scapular, said, “I, the Mother of Grace, shall descend on the Saturday after their death and whomsoever I shall find in purgatory I shall free so that I may lead them to the holy mountain of life everlasting.”
The Blessed Virgin assigned certain conditions which must be fulfilled:

1. Wear the Brown Scapular continuously.
2. Observe chastity according to one’s state in life (married/single).
3. Recite daily the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin OR Observe the fasts of the Church together with abstaining from meat on Wednesdays and Saturdays OR With permission of a priest, say five decades of Our Lady’s Most Holy Rosary OR With permission of a priest, substitute some other good work.
   

Pope Benedict XV, the celebrated World War I Pontiff, granted 500 days indulgence for devoutly kissing your scapular.

Here's the thing. Jesus didn't make this promise. The "Blessed Virgin" did, for whatever that's worth, since I'm not aware of any authority there to make this kind of promise. Forget the Catholic church for a minute. In whom do you have your faith?

As for Roman Catholicism, I don't know for sure that some of what they practice and believe is evil, but it seems to go against what I've learned from my bible. I'm not alone, and there have been many who have let that denomination know how they feel, from Martin Luther on to the present. The truth is made known to them, and it's basically on them to follow Jesus as they believe it should be done. As for myself I just ignore them.

 

[Musicus]

I would also like to point out that the text in the ad doesn't tell you that only those who have made certain vows are allowed to wear certain scapulars, mainly monks, so the "promise" wouldn't apply to just anybody who puts one on.

But it's still just an ad, not official RCC stuff.

 

[Endoscopy]

I just want to confirm why you say jesuit oath create in 1883,

it can be 2 posibility

1. You believe there is jesuit oath.

2. Like you say, It register in the us congress library in 1883

to me register in 1883, doesn't always mean create in 1883. It may create long time before posted in the us congress library.

and I believe to post in the us congress is not that easy,

for example I do not think I can post to us congress an article that say, now terorist is recommended in Arizona. I never try, but that is what I believe. I must show kind of prove. But I do not know if you believe that simple.

The problem with the Jesuit Oath in the library of Congress is any organization can have a document placed there!! That doesn't make it a truthful one. I looked at the Jesuit web site and it wasn't there. Go research it for yourself. They claim to be part of the Catholic Church with some being priests. They defend Christianity. I always go to the source for confirmation. Because of freedom of speech congress makes no claims to the veracity of anything posted there.

 

[Jackson123]

Sue for what? Nothing is published. There are no damages. No, he can not win. It doesn't matter if it is all lies, if it is not published. Published means released to the public. When a copyright is granted it is not released to the public, hence it is not a published work. A lawsuit would be pointless, and no sitting judge with half a brain would allow it in court for anything other than copyright violations, like infringement or plagiarism, and that's a specialty court.

Even if it is published, like on the internet, there has to be damages provable for a lawsuit to get on a court docket. Just lying isn't good enough, or all news agencies would die painfully.

because some body put it online, there is damage for catholic. It make people think bad about catholic. In my country if one say bad about other religion he can get 5 years prison. It doesn't matter if he publish or not, recently ex imam that convert to Christian witnessing to a taxi driver, a police took him, now in the process. I believe he charge of insulting moslem, because he tell to the taxi driver that mohammad is sex maniacs.

 

[Jackson123]

This is from more than 600 years ago, are you saying the RCC teaches this? I couldn't find it in the catechism.

To my knowledge catholic teaching is not only in catechism.

There re are papabull and tradition.

this is the quotation from catholic ensyclopedia

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http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13289b.



another link from catholic tradition.org

THE SCAPULAR

 

[Jackson123]

True. But since the copyright was registered in 1883, it would now be considered in the public domain.
And in all likelihood, the person who registered the copyright is long dead, making it rather difficult to sue him.

In this case if I did it, one can sue me, because I still life.

 

[Jackson123]

This is an advertisement from Sisters of Carmel's website. They are not officially connected to the RCC.

If it against catholic teaching, don't you think vatican issue a papabull?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Papabull?

WHATTTTTTTTTTT???????

If it against catholic teaching, don't you think vatican issue a papabull?

 

[Osprey]

Definitive yes. Catholicism and Islam, 2 destructive works of Satan.

 

[Magenta]

Papabull?

WHATTTTTTTTTTT???????

Papal bull. You not heard of papal bull? The popes are full of it, hehee. Well, seriously, a papal bull is an official papal letter or document.

 

[Jackson123]

Papabull?

WHATTTTTTTTTTT???????

Hello ladybug nice to hear you. Catholic believe pope is infallible in moral and dogma. He is so powerful and has the authority to issue a rule that is as powerful as a law, remember they believe he represent Jesus on earth

the dictionary definition is A papal bull is a type of public decree, letters patent, or charter issued by a pope of the Roman Catholic Church. It is named after the leaden seal (bulla) that was traditionally appended to the end in order to authenticate it.

 

[Endoscopy]

because some body put it online, there is damage for catholic. It make people think bad about catholic. In my country if one say bad about other religion he can get 5 years prison. It doesn't matter if he publish or not, recently ex imam that convert to Christian witnessing to a taxi driver, a police took him, now in the process. I believe he charge of insulting moslem, because he tell to the taxi driver that mohammad is sex maniacs.

Muhammad was a sex addict. He married more women than he allowed others. He was desperate to have a son. Medical personnel looking at his description of his condition believe he had problems causing a low sperm count along with his seizures.

Couldn't happen here currently. Progressives are pushing to restrict our freedom of speech. Their problem is they have been crushed in recent elections.