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John 16:12-15 especially verse 15:
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
Start there, there are more just don't have them all in front of me right now. Jesus says ALL that belongs to the Father is his, so that would include Godhead and Worship.
All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”
Start there, there are more just don't have them all in front of me right now. Jesus says ALL that belongs to the Father is his, so that would include Godhead and Worship.
Christ did not directly say in the Gospels that he was the one true God
He said the Father was the only true God. John 17:3
I think that it does not help Christians evangelising to others if they cannot admit this when questioned. For their opinions will not be seen as credible.
I believe we worship the divinity of the Father(the one true God) seen in his son.
For according to the Gospels Christ gave up his glory in Heaven alongside the Father to come to earth to die for our sins so that anyone who believed in him may not perish but have everlasting life. Is that not a weonderful testimony of the Christian faith
I would say admit the truth to your friends Father, but tell him Christ is the only begotten son of the Father who was with the Father from the begining, and if that causes dissention I always say from the begining of time as we understand time(though many will say you are an idolator for saying such things)
Admit the truth of what is written, do not try to defend what is not written, you will have a far more powerful testimony if you do
He said the Father was the only true God. John 17:3
I think that it does not help Christians evangelising to others if they cannot admit this when questioned. For their opinions will not be seen as credible.
I believe we worship the divinity of the Father(the one true God) seen in his son.
For according to the Gospels Christ gave up his glory in Heaven alongside the Father to come to earth to die for our sins so that anyone who believed in him may not perish but have everlasting life. Is that not a weonderful testimony of the Christian faith
I would say admit the truth to your friends Father, but tell him Christ is the only begotten son of the Father who was with the Father from the begining, and if that causes dissention I always say from the begining of time as we understand time(though many will say you are an idolator for saying such things)
Admit the truth of what is written, do not try to defend what is not written, you will have a far more powerful testimony if you do
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John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10:30-31
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 10:38-39
The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him.
John 14:9
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Colossians 1:16
For by him [Jesus] were all things created.
Colossians 2:9
For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1 Timothy 3:16
God was made manifest in the flesh.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.
Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Revelation 1:17
Fear not; I am the first and the last.
Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.
John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10:30-31
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
John 10:38-39
The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him.
John 14:9
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Colossians 1:16
For by him [Jesus] were all things created.
Colossians 2:9
For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1 Timothy 3:16
God was made manifest in the flesh.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.
Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.
Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Revelation 1:17
Fear not; I am the first and the last.
Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Hi Ananda
It is good to remember that Pilli is discussing with a Muslim, not someone who believes Christ is God. They will have a very different perspective on this that the majority on cc do.
I have only highlighted your verses from the Gospels as that is what the question pertains to, but if Pilli mentioned them to a Muslim what would their reply be?
Where does Christ directly state he is God?
And if they really knew the NT welll they would be able to come out with some very uncomfortable questions
I do say this respectfully to you, but as the requirement for salvation is to believe Christ is the son of God, would it not be a better witness to a Muslim to confirm that? Some might accept that and become saved, and that is after all what is most important isn't it
If someone insists to them Christ is God, they will most likely turn away and there will be no chance then of them becoming saved
I have put Bible verses before ;people and I have never met anyone who can answer them all on this subject(as I do not profess to be able to answer all others questions put to me)
But a Muslim cannot argue Biblically that Christ is not the son of God. Would it not be better to soley think of the message the Muslim may accept, and I repeat, one that Biblically speaking will save them, rather than the individual wanting to firstly prove what they believe is correct
Which is most important? Witnessing to someone with our first desire to see them saved? Or to show we are right in a belief on which eternal life(the most important thing) does not Biblically hinge
It is good to remember that Pilli is discussing with a Muslim, not someone who believes Christ is God. They will have a very different perspective on this that the majority on cc do.
I have only highlighted your verses from the Gospels as that is what the question pertains to, but if Pilli mentioned them to a Muslim what would their reply be?
Where does Christ directly state he is God?
And if they really knew the NT welll they would be able to come out with some very uncomfortable questions
I do say this respectfully to you, but as the requirement for salvation is to believe Christ is the son of God, would it not be a better witness to a Muslim to confirm that? Some might accept that and become saved, and that is after all what is most important isn't it
If someone insists to them Christ is God, they will most likely turn away and there will be no chance then of them becoming saved
I have put Bible verses before ;people and I have never met anyone who can answer them all on this subject(as I do not profess to be able to answer all others questions put to me)
But a Muslim cannot argue Biblically that Christ is not the son of God. Would it not be better to soley think of the message the Muslim may accept, and I repeat, one that Biblically speaking will save them, rather than the individual wanting to firstly prove what they believe is correct
Which is most important? Witnessing to someone with our first desire to see them saved? Or to show we are right in a belief on which eternal life(the most important thing) does not Biblically hinge
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if you want to talk to a Muslim to be saved you first must show them their need for a savior. Talk to them about the laws and how the Koran does not offer mercy and grace found in Jesus death on the cross.
they are still under the law and if you talk to them they will say they believe in God's mercy. Therefore you will have to convince them its God's will that everyone is saved by believing that Jesus died on the cross for their sins.
They believe in the prophets. IF you want to talk to a Muslim show them the OT and how the prophets predicted the coming of Jesus and how Muhammand directly contradicts the prophets with certain passages from the Koran.
Perhaps this website will help.
Prophecies of Jesus Christ as Messiah
LBG the scriptures were for HIM to read and be reassured that Jesus is God, but to talk to Muslims it is better to show that THEY NEED JESUS Christ as their Lord and Savior and tackle the other issue later.
they are still under the law and if you talk to them they will say they believe in God's mercy. Therefore you will have to convince them its God's will that everyone is saved by believing that Jesus died on the cross for their sins.
They believe in the prophets. IF you want to talk to a Muslim show them the OT and how the prophets predicted the coming of Jesus and how Muhammand directly contradicts the prophets with certain passages from the Koran.
Perhaps this website will help.
Prophecies of Jesus Christ as Messiah
LBG the scriptures were for HIM to read and be reassured that Jesus is God, but to talk to Muslims it is better to show that THEY NEED JESUS Christ as their Lord and Savior and tackle the other issue later.
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I agree with all your words concerning showing a Muslim they are not under law etc and need a saviour.
I was just concerned they may listen to none of that if they believed a person was insisting Christ was God
I didn't realse your scriptures were just to assure Pilli and not to recite to the man he was discussing with, I apologise for misunderstanding
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its a matter of priorities and having them accept Jesus as their Lord and savior and allowing the Holy Spirit to live in their hearts will allow God to show them the truth of other things. 
its ok, I'm going to play with the kids outside now. Hope everyone has a blessed day
Here's one of my favorite songs and music videos because it reminds us that GOD loves US and has a plan for each of our lives! Isn't that WONDERFUL!
YouTube - God's love letter
its ok, I'm going to play with the kids outside now. Hope everyone has a blessed day Here's one of my favorite songs and music videos because it reminds us that GOD loves US and has a plan for each of our lives! Isn't that WONDERFUL!
YouTube - God's love letter
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Jesus did directly without querstion claim deity..
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
there is no question what Jesus was saying its a direct quote of Exodus 3:14 the jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming and they took up stones to kill Him..in those days you just couldnt stone anyone for saying crazy stuff..Jesus was in their eyes committing blasphemy..claiming to be God...
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
this is exactly the claim Jesus was making and they wanted to stone Him for it..
cannot be denied what Jesus claimed you can, like the pharisees, reject Jesus claims, but you cannot deny that this is what Jesus claimed..
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
there is no question what Jesus was saying its a direct quote of Exodus 3:14 the jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming and they took up stones to kill Him..in those days you just couldnt stone anyone for saying crazy stuff..Jesus was in their eyes committing blasphemy..claiming to be God...
Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
this is exactly the claim Jesus was making and they wanted to stone Him for it..
cannot be denied what Jesus claimed you can, like the pharisees, reject Jesus claims, but you cannot deny that this is what Jesus claimed..
muslims believe in christ (isa) they believe Jesus peace be unto him is a prophet like elijah
They dont believe he is God,s son,Which is the same belief you have isnt it?
Dont you and the muslim and Jew denigh Jesus is the son of God.
You say he is God,They say he isnt God but a prophet and the Jews say he made himself God but isnt either.
They dont believe he is God,s son,Which is the same belief you have isnt it?
Dont you and the muslim and Jew denigh Jesus is the son of God.
You say he is God,They say he isnt God but a prophet and the Jews say he made himself God but isnt either.
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Actually apparently the angel Gabriel told Mohameed something that is not true when he said..
Surah 5:72-73 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is Christ the son of Mary . . . They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three gods . . . Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle.
Christians have never believed nor ever ever taught God as three gods....never ever...flat out wrong...
another untruth is--
Surah 5:116 And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?"
Jesus never ever said worship me and my mother as gods..He just plain never said it nor ever imply it..
Good place to start is to teach muslims what it is that Christians believe because Mohameed was wrong..
Surah 5:72-73 They do blaspheme who say: Allah is Christ the son of Mary . . . They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three gods . . . Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle.
Christians have never believed nor ever ever taught God as three gods....never ever...flat out wrong...
another untruth is--
Surah 5:116 And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?"
Jesus never ever said worship me and my mother as gods..He just plain never said it nor ever imply it..
Good place to start is to teach muslims what it is that Christians believe because Mohameed was wrong..