Who Do Jews and Muslims Worship?

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LOL, please research the Ancient Jewish tribes and the development of Ancient Judaism before you call me ignorant.

The various Tribes had their own deities. A lot were pagans.

Why do you think there is so much teaching against this stuff in the Old Testament.

It's because the Jewish Tribes were Pagan Polytheists. A lot of them even followed Egyptian Gods etc, especially when they were slaves. Moses was brought up as an Egyptian pagan.

The whole thing wasn't unified until much later. It's all there in the bible.

God even chose to have one of the commandments address a problem that he saw.

Why even mention 'other Gods before me' if people weren't doing that? It's because the Jews just didn't become the Jews from a bolt of lightening out of the sky.
David, I know full well what my people have done through out history, I don't deny there disobedience of YHWH, i.e. being involved in other nations pagan practices. That why Israel has suffered so much. What I'm saying you're wrong in, is you said the name YHWH is a pagan name. So again I say, you need to study the hebrew text before making such claims you obviously don't know anything about. Judaism itself is false, i.e. talmud, mishna etc. One thing is if you truly new anything about the tribes, the fact that you say jewish tribes which is incorrect, jews are of Judah, it is the Tribes of Israel.
So once again, study to show yourself approved, so you don't look ignorant.
 
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CHRISTIANS WHO TALKING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE USING THE WORD ( GOD ) REFERING TO THE ONE GOD, CHRISTIANS AND JEWES WHO TALKING ARABIC LANGUAGE DO NOT USE THE WORD (GOD), THEY USING THE WORD ( ALLAH ), THERFORE THE WORD ALLAH IS NOT ONLY FOR ISLAM AND NOT ONLY FOR MUSLIMS ,THE WORD {ALLAH} IS THE SAME WORD USED IN ARABIC BIBLES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT , IN PAGE ONE IN JENESES WE WILL FIND THE WORD {ALLAH} 17 TIMES, IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IN ARABIC LANGUAGE WE FIND THE WORD {ALLAH} ALSO USED WHEN REFERRING TO THE ONE GOD, THEREFORE MUSLIMS BILIEVE THAT {THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, AND JESUS IS MASENGOR OF ALLAH}.
As I said before, allah was originally worshiped as an ancient tribal moon god. YHWH/YHVH, the only problem in it, has been from the letter VAV. YOD HEY VAV HEY. The VAV letter has a v sound and a w sound. The only problem is not knowing which was first. It is and always was YHWH OR YHVH. allah started out and always will be a pagan name. Example, in the greek Yeshua was called Iesous, which the greeks called a lot of deity's by, so does that mean it's ok to call Yeshua that name? As I said, Yeshua is the Messiah, any religion that refuses to recognize that is a false religion, period.

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One thing that many non-Hebrew speaking Jews and Christians mistake about is the name of GOD Almighty in the Bible. ((Yahweh)) in Hebrew means ((The LORD)) or the ((The GOD)). It is not a name, look at the following quotations from Christian and Jewish resources:
"Judaism teaches that while God's name exists in written form, it is too holy to be pronounced. The result has been that, over the last 2000 years, the correct pronunciation has been lost."(Mankind's Search for GOD, p. 225).
The name of our Creator is not ((God)) or ((Yahweh)), you can see that the pronunciation for the original name for GOD Almighty had been lost, and the Jews have no idea what the exact pronunciation is from their Holy Scriptures and resources.
"About 3,500 years ago, God spoke to Moses, saying: 'Thus shall you speak to the Israelites: The LORD [Hebrew: YHWH], the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This shall be My name forever, this My appellation for all eternity.' (Exodus 3:15; Psalm 135:13)"(Mankind's Search for GOD, p.225).
"....the four Hebrew consonants YHWH (Yahweh) that in their Latinized form have come to be known over the centuries in English as JEHOVAH."(Mankind's Search for GOD, p.225).
So the word ((YHWH)) or ((Yahweh)) or ((Jehovah)) is not the ORIGINAL name, but the appellation (title) for the Almighty GOD. This is perfectly fine, because Jews, Christians and Muslims call on to GOD Almighty as "The LORD" or "The GOD", which means "Yahweh" ((or)) "Jehovah" in Hebrew and {Al-Rab} in Arabic. {Al-Rab} in Arabic and ((Yahweh)) in Hebrew and the other translations in all other languages are indeed GOD Almighty's title. But they are NOT His original Name! What is the original name of our Creator then.
look at what Exodus 3:15 and Psalm 135:13 from the NIV Bible say: "God also said to Moses, "Say to the Israelites, `The LORD [Notice that they didn't write Jehovah. "The LORD" in only a title], the God of your fathers--the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob--has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, the name by which I am to be remembered from generation to generation. (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 3:15)"
"Your name, O LORD, endures forever, your renown, O LORD, through all generations. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 135:13)"
So as we see from the above Verses from the NIV Bible, the original name for GOD Almighty is not ((Yahweh)). The title ((The LORD)) is only a title and a nick name (if you will) that we give to GOD Almighty, But ((Yahweh)) is definitely NOT THE ORIGINAL NAME for GOD Almighty, {Allah} on the other hand is a name, Jews and Christians do not know what is the original name of the Creator, Muslims bilieve that the original name of our lord is{Allah}. ][/QUOTE]

In the original hebrew text, it never says lord or the lord, It either said YHWH/YHVH TZVA'OT OR ADONAI. But arguing this is futile. The point is, especially this thread, jews and muslims DO NOT worship the same god. There is only one, He is the Father of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He is the Father of Yeshua, who died for our sins, defeating the devil and death, who rose from the dead. Ascending into heaven and the right hand of EL Shaddai. All those who deny Yeshua will go to hell, forever. This is absolute truth. As I said before, the qur'an has been proven over and over to be contradicting, and false. I can only encourage you as before to seek out the truth. But one way or another, you, me and everyone else will bow before Yeshua and proclaim that He is Adonai, melech ha melechim.
 
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Worship, if you think we worship the same God, why then different books? why mistake one religion of another? If any one recognizes Jesus as God and Lord of creation and died and risen again then they believe the Christian doctrine, but them that reject that is something else.
 
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Allah was originally worshiped as an ancient tribal moon god. Shalom
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Allah is the Original name of the Creator, God, ((And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate yourselves not to the sun nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him.)) Qur'an41:37
Even Christians and Jews who talking Arabic Language using it as ((the Name)) of God :
CHRISTIANS AND JEWES WHO TALKING ARABIC LANGUAGE DO NOT USE THE WORD (GOD) Or the word (Yahweh) Or the word (Yhvh), THEY USING THE WORD (( ALLAH )), THERFORE THE WORD ALLAH IS NOT ONLY FOR ISLAM AND NOT ONLY FOR MUSLIMS ,THE WORD {ALLAH} IS THE SAME WORD USED IN ARABIC BIBLES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT , IN PAGE ONE IN JENESES WE WILL FIND THE WORD {ALLAH} 17 TIMES, IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IN ARABIC LANGUAGE WE FIND THE WORD {ALLAH} ALSO USED WHEN REFERRING TO THE ONE GOD.
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In the original hebrew text, it never says lord or the lord, It either said YHWH/YHVH TZVA'OT OR ADONAI.
Yes. That what iam talking about. Great.
((Yahweh)) in Hebrew means ((The LORD)) or the ((The GOD)). It is not a name.
So the word ((YHWH)) or ((Yahweh)) or ((Jehovah)) is not the ORIGINAL name.
Thank you.
 
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Crazy4GODword

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CHRISTIANS WHO TALKING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE USING THE WORD ( GOD ) REFERING TO THE ONE GOD, CHRISTIANS AND JEWES WHO TALKING ARABIC LANGUAGE DO NOT USE THE WORD (GOD), THEY USING THE WORD ( ALLAH ), THERFORE THE WORD ALLAH IS NOT ONLY FOR ISLAM AND NOT ONLY FOR MUSLIMS ,THE WORD {ALLAH} IS THE SAME WORD USED IN ARABIC BIBLES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT , IN PAGE ONE IN JENESES WE WILL FIND THE WORD {ALLAH} 17 TIMES, IN THE NEW TESTAMENT IN ARABIC LANGUAGE WE FIND THE WORD {ALLAH} ALSO USED WHEN REFERRING TO THE ONE GOD, THEREFORE MUSLIMS BILIEVE THAT {THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH, AND JESUS IS MASENGOR OF ALLAH}.
Then the Muslims agree with us, Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus died for man's sins, rose again and rules heaven. Because our God (many won't agree) is Trinity meaning, one God in three persons. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost. They are 3 persons in one God making that one God. Do you believe that worship? Not being mean or anything but truthfully.

Jesus save
 
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I suspect Christians, Jews, and Muslims worship the same Lord. What do you think?
Only Trinitarian Christians worship the one true God.

It all revolves around the Son, and who each group thinks that He is....both Jews & Muslims deny Jesus' deity and the consequence of His Triune being - thus they are not worshipping the True God.
 

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Malakyah 1:6, "A son honors his father, and a servant his ruler. If then I am the Father, where is My honor? If I am the Supreme Ruler, where is My reverence?.."

Micahyah 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh our Father forever and ever."
 
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Only Trinitarian Christians worship the one true God.

It all revolves around the Son, and who each group thinks that He is....both Jews & Muslims deny Jesus' deity and the consequence of His Triune being - thus they are not worshipping the True God.
The Lord gave us two great commandments to obey. One is that we love the Lord with all our hearts, minds, and souls (this is the great and first commandment), and the other is that we love our neighbors as ourselves. I would suspect all who obey these two commandments are blessed by the Lord.
 
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Jesus is a God who was born to the Jews when He lived here as a man.
The Jews worship the Father of Christ their scripture is our scripture.
A study of our book of Romans says we a grafted in, part of Israel, that the Jews have been blinded, and we are to leave that entire mess regarding that to God, and instead respect them because God chose that race to teach us about Him.

In Zech. 8:23 it says that in the last days all the nations will follow the Jews because they see the God is with them. If scripture says we will follow them, it would say that if they worshipped a false God.

Allah is a made up God, just as the idols were made up. Muhammad was 500 years after Christ was crucified. Because they copied many of the characteristics of the true God does not make the made up God a true God.
 
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The God whom Jesus addressed as "Our Father" is God of the Old Testament. In that sense, Jews and Christians worship the same God.
Muslims reverence "Allah the merciful" - merciful in that, if one belongs to Islam, he will overlook a great deal of evil in a man's character. Our Father is holy. He does not overlook any sin or evil. He is just, and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus Christ.
 

Hizikyah

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The Jews that follow Judaism do not follow the "OT" they follow the Talmud. The Talmud is man made, therefore they follow man.

Islam worships a moon god that was around way before Islam was created by the catholic Church. The Ishmaelites woregold grescent moon necklaces way before Islam, it is recorded in the Scriptures.

As I quoted earlier:

Micahyah 4:5, "For all people walk each in the name of his god but we will walk in the Name of Yahweh our Father forever and ever."
 
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The Jews that follow Judaism do not follow the "OT" they follow the Talmud. The Talmud is man made, therefore they follow man. ."
I wondered what the Talmud was so I got a copy and asked for a definition. It is the most boring book I ever got hold of, but what I read, and how it is explained to me, is that it is a book telling of ways to obey what scripture says, because scripture is rather vague about many directions. For instance pages and pages of what I read was man's ideas of what scripture means by not working on Sabbath. That would say that it is a book about how some men think the scriptures are like our commentaries. It would be like someone accusing us of following Matthew Henry instead of scripture.

Are you sure that Jews all follow only man and not scripture?
 
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I think that Jewish people worship to G-d.

[video=youtube;8-uys79YEac]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-uys79YEac[/video]​
 

Hizikyah

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I wondered what the Talmud was so I got a copy and asked for a definition. It is the most boring book I ever got hold of, but what I read, and how it is explained to me, is that it is a book telling of ways to obey what scripture says, because scripture is rather vague about many directions. For instance pages and pages of what I read was man's ideas of what scripture means by not working on Sabbath. That would say that it is a book about how some men think the scriptures are like our commentaries. It would be like someone accusing us of following Matthew Henry instead of scripture.

Are you sure that Jews all follow only man and not scripture?
Originally Posted by Hizikyah

The Jews that follow Judaism do not follow the "OT" they follow the Talmud. The Talmud is man made, therefore they follow man. ."

I did not say ALL JEWS brother Red.

Have you actually read any of the Talmud itself? They admit in it they do NOT LISTEN TO YAHWEH:
(I made a thread about the Talmud, I will post a link at the bottom of this post if you want to check it out)

Talmud - Mas. Baba Metzia 59b
But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: ‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them:
And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"

Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white

Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YAHWEH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YAHWEH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YAHWEH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."

This is the Command that the " priests forbore " , all supposedly because that "Rabbi" said, "but perhaps that is not so." Note "nor did the crimson-coloured strap b ecome white," this was the sign that thier sins were forgiven. Also the Talmud RECORDS that after they killed Yahshua, from that time until the destruction of the House of Y ahweh (Solomon's Temple) the crimson colored strap NEVER turned white again.

Shem Tob's Hebrew Mattithyah
Mattithyah 23:2-3, "The Pharisees and Sages sit upon the seat of Mosheh. Therefore, all that he (Mosheh) says to you, diligently do, but according to thier takanot (reforms) and thier ma'asim (precedents) do not do, because they talk (Torah) but they do not do."

Takanot: reforms or enactments that (falsely) "change or add" to Yahweh's Law.

Ma'asim: acts or deeds that serve as precedents for rabbinic law.

Both Takanot and Ma'asim are laws of the Talmud.

THIS IS THE BURDEN!

Deuteronomy 4:2, "You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor shall you take anything from it, so that you may keep the Laws of Yahweh your Father which I command you."

The "rabbis" interpret Scripture by something called Midrashic interpretation, which ignores language and ignores context. They say Scripture is a divne code and only the rabbis have the knowledge to decipher that divine code. Here is an ACTUAL example of Midrashic interpretation used by the rabbis:

They take Exodus 23:2, "Do not follow the crowd in doing evil. When you give testimony in a lawsuit, do not pervert justice by siding with the crowd."

After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "follow the crowd."

Thus even when one disagrees or knows something is wrong he must, "follow the crowd," or as the Talmud puts it in Baba Metzia 59b "after the majority must one incline."

Talmud - Mas. Baba Metzia 59b
But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: ‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline.

Deuteronomy 30:11-13, "For this Law which I command you this day is not hidden from you, nor is it beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask; Who will ascend up into heaven for us, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it? Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask; Who will cross the sea, and bring it to us, so that we may hear it and then do it?"

After Midrashic interpretation is applied, they come out with : "‘It is not in heaven.’4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice" (Baba Metzia 59b)

This is 1 example of the EVIL it gets WAY worse

Talmud Moed Kattan 17a
Rabbi Ila'i said: If a person is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known, dress in black clothes, cover his head in black, and do what his heart desires.


This first video is from a FORMER modern Pharisee, and he can shed more light and details on the topic than I can as he GREW UP IN THIS TEACHING, but is in it no longer.

The Hebrew Yeshua vs. the Greek Jesus - YouTube



http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/72285-key-unlock-some-yahshuas-words.html
 
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