Im looking for a church that believes what i do

[Piano_hero]

I cant find a church that believes what i do so i am forced to attend churches and hide my beliefs so i dont get banned . I believe that Jesus is the son of God and was anointed of God and died and resurrected , and i believe in baptism , however, i dont believe in a trinity or that Jesus was God (since he was born, died ,was tempted by sin ,didnt know the hour, learned and grew in wisdom, was filled with the Holy Spirit in teh desert, said teh Father was greater then him , feared , had his own will separate from that of Gods (let your will be done and not mine) , was a man , etc) , and i know that the Jehovah witness' also believe that, but they also have some strange beliefs about wearing suits , about jesus being michael the angel , and about only 144,000 peopel TOTAL being saved . there are actually MANY things i disagree with them about . So is there a church where chrsitians are encouraged to keep Law , believe Jesus was anointed of God but that Jesus was not God etc ? If i go to a jewish synagogue id get kicked for believing in Jesus , so i cant win anywhere

[Thaddaeus]

well I could suggest the mormans , They will not speak or confess that Jesus is God . they will say that they serve the same Jesus as all christians do, but ask one of them to speak or say that Jesus is God , I could suggest them But I wouldn't want you to get involved in a false religionbut rathe rlet me suggest that you start listening to some of the churches that believe in the trinity , don't you believe God In Hebrews When The Father say that the Son Is GoD

Heb 1:7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.Heb 1:8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Heb 1:9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by Thaddaeus

well I could suggest the mormans , They will not speak or confess that Jesus is God . they will say that they serve the same Jesus as all christians do, but ask one of them to speak or say that Jesus is God , I could suggest them But I wouldn't want you to get involved in a false religionbut rathe rlet me suggest that you start listening to some of the churches that believe in the trinity , don't you believe God In Hebrews When The Father say that the Son Is GoD

Heb 1:7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.Heb 1:8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Heb 1:9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

lol, was that an attempt at showing me that Jesus is the Most High of teh OT ? aww . mormons? they believe extra biblical things like other christians . i am looking for a group that beleives the Scriptures . I have no problem saying jesus is God becuase he himself said that everyone who recieves teh word of God is a God , but isnt the God of gods

[NoahsDad]

You're a 7th day adventist
they believe just like you do

[BLC]

Originally Posted by Thaddaeus

well I could suggest the mormans , They will not speak or confess that Jesus is God . they will say that they serve the same Jesus as all christians do, but ask one of them to speak or say that Jesus is God , I could suggest them But I wouldn't want you to get involved in a false religionbut rathe rlet me suggest that you start listening to some of the churches that believe in the trinity , don't you believe God In Hebrews When The Father say that the Son Is GoD

Heb 1:7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.Heb 1:8But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.Heb 1:9Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Quote: 'I believe that Jesus is the son of God and was anointed of God and died and resurrected , and i believe in baptism , however, i dont believe in a trinity or that Jesus was God'...

If a man will not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, we are to have nothing to do with him. Don't even bid him God's speed. 1John 4;2,3 and ... The Holy Spirit is the witness (1John 5:6-10) and the one that guides into all truth. This man knows what the scriptures say but refuses to believe them because he has no witness in himself.

1John 1:6-11 'And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds'.

Hello Piano Hero,

Perhaps you're asking the wrong question?

Instead of looking for a church that believes as you do, you should merely find a church which is built soundly upon the word of Scripture.

If any of our beliefs are not scriptural, how do we react when eldars or mature believers correct and rebuke us? Do we reject them and harden ourselves to 'those people', or do we humbly submit ourselves to look carefully again at the Word in prayer and fasting?

[Thaddaeus]

Originally Posted by Piano_hero

lol, was that an attempt at showing me that Jesus is the Most High of teh OT ? aww . mormons? they believe extra biblical things like other christians . i am looking for a group that beleives the Scriptures . I have no problem saying jesus is God becuase he himself said that everyone who recieves teh word of God is a God , but isnt the God of gods

No for He also forgive sin while He was with us . and was questioned about it because even the scribe knew that Only God can forgive sin then there is Re 1:8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


This is Jesus speaking saying that He is the Almighty, If He is not The Almighty then he was Not of God but a Blasphmer > let's go alittle Further to prove that this was Jesus speaking


Re 1:11Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.Re 1:12And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;Re 1:13And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.Re 1:14His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;Re 1:15And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.Re 1:16And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.Re 1:17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:Re 1:18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Two words here you need to focus on WAS DEAD( verse 18) when did God the Almighty die. When He was on the Cross paying our debt.

Truth is that this is not about you. This is about Jesus Christ what he has done for us. Seem like you are trying to fit in with the people who has the same belief as you do. My friend, the truth is...there is no perfect churches. I attend a church who believes Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and rose from the dead on the third day. We are saved by grace not of works but of faith through our Lord Jesus Christ. Heck there are people who disagree and agree within our church on different doctrines such as trinity, rapture, ect. But are will still one family of God aren't we?

I guess you could always start your own church.

[eric51]

Maybe you ought to wisen up, and attend a Church which teaches truth, not just what you want to hear. You can always hire someone to fed you what pleases you; of course, God won't be found there.

Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins. Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.

Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.

Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how much God has done for you." And the man declared how much Jesus did.

John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world." - 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.

Three Persons are God the C reator: Father: Gen 2:7; Son, John 1:3; Holy Spirit: Job 33:4

Three Persons are the Lord: Father, Rom 10:12; Son, Luke 2:11; HS 2 Cor 3:17

Three Persons are Eternal: Father, Psalm 90:2; Son, Rev 1:8; HS, Heb 9:14

[wisdomseeker]

Originally Posted by Piano_hero

I cant find a church that believes what i do so i am forced to attend churches and hide my beliefs so i dont get banned . I believe that Jesus is the son of God and was anointed of God and died and resurrected , and i believe in baptism , however, i dont believe in a trinity or that Jesus was God (since he was born, died ,was tempted by sin ,didnt know the hour, learned and grew in wisdom, was filled with the Holy Spirit in teh desert, said teh Father was greater then him , feared , had his own will separate from that of Gods (let your will be done and not mine) , was a man , etc) , and i know that the Jehovah witness' also believe that, but they also have some strange beliefs about wearing suits , about jesus being michael the angel , and about only 144,000 peopel TOTAL being saved . there are actually MANY things i disagree with them about . So is there a church where chrsitians are encouraged to keep Law , believe Jesus was anointed of God but that Jesus was not God etc ? If i go to a jewish synagogue id get kicked for believing in Jesus , so i cant win anywhere

Peace be to you
The scripture must be fulfilled;
isiah 9,6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This scripture in being fulfilled as many people today call Jesus many things this is Gods doing and Good in our eyes.


Know this;No one in this world will know who Jesus christ is or God almighty unless it is revealed to them,fulfilling this scripture;math 11,25
At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


The church will have false teachers;2nd peter 2,1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in ****able heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

If you dont agree with a church, study at home have fellowship with those who Love God and our lord as not all have understanding,This is not that you should look down on them but we are not to give up fellowship with others who love God but lack understanding.There are many vessels in the house of God.The master is not above the servant.The lord came not as a master but as a servant.So serve and have fellowship do not get into word debates knowing they cause gender strife.

Love God with all your heart mind and soul,Love you neighber like you love yourself.


Love a friend in God

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by BLC

Quote: 'I believe that Jesus is the son of God and was anointed of God and died and resurrected , and i believe in baptism , however, i dont believe in a trinity or that Jesus was God'...

If a man will not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, we are to have nothing to do with him. Don't even bid him God's speed. 1John 4;2,3 and ... The Holy Spirit is the witness (1John 5:6-10) and the one that guides into all truth. This man knows what the scriptures say but refuses to believe them because he has no witness in himself.

1John 1:6-11 'And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds'.

actually the verse says the opposite. those that deny that Jesus was a real man are the anti christ . If jesus was even 10 percent God, he was not a real man .

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by eric51

Maybe you ought to wisen up, and attend a Church which teaches truth, not just what you want to hear. You can always hire someone to fed you what pleases you; of course, God won't be found there.

Matt. 5:21-22; 27-28; 31-32; 33-34; 38-39; 43-44 - Jesus makes Himself equal to God when He declares, "You heard it said...but I say to you.."
half of the things "they heard" were not in the Law. Also, i would hate to think that Jesus was teaching rebellion against God

Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins. Matt. 9:2; Mark 2:5; Luke 5:20; 7:48 - Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.
Jesus taught us that we can forgive sins
Matt. 28:20 - Jesus said He is with us always, even unto the end of the world. Only God is omnipresent.
symbolically/his teaching/his will . He is not "literally" with us and thats easy to prove . If i tell you that JEsus himself shows up to my church during services, the Bible says not to believe me
Luke 8:39 - Luke reports that Jesus said "tell how much God has done for you." And the man declared how much Jesus did.
They are both correct. If i pray to God for food and a pizza guy shows up with free food "the pizza man brought me food" and "god brought me food" are both correct . (see Isa 43:11 and Neh 9:27)

John 8:12 - Jesus says "I am the light of the world." - 1 John 1:5 - God is light and in him there is no darkness at all.
Jesus said we are the light of the world too (mat 5:14)

Three Persons are God the C reator: Father: Gen 2:7; Son, John 1:3; Holy Spirit: Job 33:4
there is only one "Father" in that sense
Three Persons are the Lord: Father, Rom 10:12; Son, Luke 2:11; HS 2 Cor 3:17
Jesus is not the only human called lord in the Bible
Three Persons are Eternal: Father, Psalm 90:2; Son, Rev 1:8; HS, Heb 9:14

a "son" cant be eternal backwards. (see definition of son)

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by Thaddaeus

Two words here you need to focus on WAS DEAD( verse 18) when did God the Almighty die. When He was on the Cross paying our debt.

Jesus never said he was almighty . And God never died, not even for 3 days FAR BE IT ! while Jesus was dead, God was still just as alive as He always had been . Jesus however has been dead .
watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nmiR...e=channel_page

[iwant2serve]

Piano what you are looking for is part of the truth. You have to accept the whold Word of God or none of it. Jesus said He and the Father are one. So with that and The Holy Spirit being of God the Father. Then they are 3 in 1. I would say search the scripturs more and ask God for understanding and you can't go wrong. The devil is out to distort the truth, because he knows the truth,

[watchmen]

Originally Posted by Piano_hero

I cant find a church that believes what i do so i am forced to attend churches and hide my beliefs so i dont get banned . I believe that Jesus is the son of God and was anointed of God and died and resurrected , and i believe in baptism , however, i dont believe in a trinity or that Jesus was God (since he was born, died ,was tempted by sin ,didnt know the hour, learned and grew in wisdom, was filled with the Holy Spirit in teh desert, said teh Father was greater then him , feared , had his own will separate from that of Gods (let your will be done and not mine) , was a man , etc) , and i know that the Jehovah witness' also believe that, but they also have some strange beliefs about wearing suits , about jesus being michael the angel , and about only 144,000 peopel TOTAL being saved . there are actually MANY things i disagree with them about . So is there a church where chrsitians are encouraged to keep Law , believe Jesus was anointed of God but that Jesus was not God etc ? If i go to a jewish synagogue id get kicked for believing in Jesus , so i cant win anywhere

I would say try a Messianic Jewish temple, but they [pprobably believe Jesus is God as well. You should study the duality of Christ Christ was fully God, but also fully man. You see that He was fully God so youdeny He was God, but it does not have to be one or the other. Google ''Christology'' it is the study of the dual nature of Christ.

By the way I do not believe in the Trinity either. I believe Jesus is God Himself manifest as the Son (not a separate person from the Father), but I do go to a Trinitarian church, although I do not hidfe my belief (not that I am shouting from the roof top) but I would be honest if asked.

[watchmen]

Originally Posted by NoahsDad

You're a 7th day adventist
they believe just like you do

7th dayers believe Jesus is God, do they not?

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by iwant2serve

Piano what you are looking for is part of the truth. You have to accept the whold Word of God or none of it. Jesus said He and the Father are one. So with that and The Holy Spirit being of God the Father. Then they are 3 in 1. I would say search the scripturs more and ask God for understanding and you can't go wrong. The devil is out to distort the truth, because he knows the truth,

jesus said that he and his God are one, but we are supposed to be one aswell .
"But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him."
"so that they may all be one. Just as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be one in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me."I have given them the glory that you gave me, so that they may be one, just as we are one."

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by watchmen

7th dayers believe Jesus is God, do they not?

and the ydont keep Law. they just acknowledge saturday as a special day but dont keep the commands regarding sabbath and dont keep it in teh proper time (friday sunset to saturday sunsset ) . i have met individulas that believe what i do , but they dont have a church

[Piano_hero]

Originally Posted by watchmen

I would say try a Messianic Jewish temple, but they [pprobably believe Jesus is God as well. You should study the duality of Christ Christ was fully God, but also fully man. You see that He was fully God so youdeny He was God, but it does not have to be one or the other. Google ''Christology'' it is the study of the dual nature of Christ.

By the way I do not believe in the Trinity either. I believe Jesus is God Himself manifest as the Son (not a separate person from the Father), but I do go to a Trinitarian church, although I do not hidfe my belief (not that I am shouting from the roof top) but I would be honest if asked.

lol. thats what i might have to keep doing . i probably have a better chance at attending a jewish synagogue and letting them know that i think Jesus was a messiah of God thant to tell teh churches i go to that i dont think Jesus was God. I think teh jews would be more tolerable of me thaant christians becuase discussion and questioning adn reasoning are seen as good things in judaism (there are jews that believe Jesus was a messiah , and i dont mean "messianic" jews)