Judge not, that ye be not judged

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roaringkitten

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"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:1-5

Too often, professing Christians use only the preselected quote I have in my thread header as a way to justify themselves that we should not ever judge brethren in light of doctrinal errors. Immediately it is apparent that such people take this passage out of context and make doctrine off this one quote from Scripture. This is how false doctrine is born. When one fails to look at Scripture in light of other Scripture, not correctly interpreting verses in context, the Word becomes very confusing.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:2-4


If you read the Matthew 7:1-5 passage in context you will see who it is being addressed to! It is being addressed to hypocrites! Those who judge others in spite of the fact that they themselves do the very things they are judging others about! This verse says nothing about those Christians who are concerned about sound doctrine, nor does it forbid Christians from sounding the alarms to false doctrines.

We as Christians are to judge ourselves(1 Corinthians 11:31-32, 2 Corinthians 13:5), will judge the world and angels(1 Corinthians 6:2-3), our brethren in light of their conduct(2 Thessalonians 3:14-15). Note that in order for us to discern conduct, we must make a Biblical judgment toward that brethren as to whether or not such conduct is Godly or not. This is NOT the same type of hypocritical judgment that Matthew 7:1-5 teaches us.

We are not to judge trivial matters or traditions of Christians(so long as conduct is not diametrically opposed to the Word of God and/or would be a stumbling block to the unsaved). See Colossians 2:16-17, 1 Corinthians 10:23-33 to read more about this. Matters of the heart, only God knows(1 Corinthians 4:1-5, 1 Samuel 16:7). We can only take man's testimony that they believed the Son of God, but only God knows who are His(2 Timothy 2:19).

We are not to yell that pentecostals, charismatics, catholics are going to hell, that is not our judgment to make. But we are to warn people that profess to believe another gospel(whether it be those of a particular denomination, an individual,etc), that if they do in fact believe in another Jesus by believing partly in themselves for salvation that they will go to hell(which is only reminding them of a Biblical truth). It is Biblical to warn unbelievers that they will go to hell if they do not trust on Christ for their sins. Jesus warned about hell much in his ministry, so should we, and to point them all to the Savior!

When a professing Christian asks me if they are going to hell(eg: for not believing in eternal security), I will never say "yes" or "no" but will say that only if they believe a counterfeit gospel will they burn in the lake of fire for eternity. The judgment is ultimately God's. Men are justified before men(James 2:18) but God knows the heart(1 Samuel 16:7, 2 Timothy 2:19).

Therefore, it is my duty to warn professing Christians to make sure they are in the faith(2 Corinthians 13:5). A professing Christian who declares works/rituals saves them and/or that their salvation is partly based upon their own effort in good living is a testimony that conflicts with the Scriptures. Therefore, I will doubt that this person is saved, and even warn them about it, but it is not my place to condemn them that "they are going to hell"....A professing Christian who declares that they are trusting partly in themselves for salvation and not completely on Christ gives me no reason to believe that they are saved.

If anybody declares the plan of salvation as the catechism teaches, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. If anybody declares that water baptism has saving power, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. This is only Biblical observation on the basis of matching their testimony to Scripture(Isaiah 8:20). When I declare that preachers who are preaching another gospel are leading multitudes to hell, that means that their testimony condemns them under Scripture. Again, God knows who is His(2 Timothy 2:19) and I will continue to warn the body of Christ against false gospels, because those who have never trusted in Christ ALONE to save them and die never trusting in Him alone, will end up in the lake of fire for all eternity.

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9
 
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Does this apply to judging a book by its cover
 
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we work because we are saved, not to get saved we must walk a righteous life or this will destory our testimony I don't work to get saved

Jas 2:17Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.Jas 2:18Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.

salvation is not a license to sin or live anyway we want, it is not a Burger King religion, we can't have it our way , We called upon the name of the Lord, we must make Him Lord,
Lu 6:46And WHY CALL ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Joh 14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Ro 12:1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.Ro 12:2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:1-5



If anybody declares the plan of salvation as the catechism teaches, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. If anybody declares that water baptism has saving power, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. This is only Biblical observation on the basis of matching their testimony to Scripture(Isaiah 8:20). When I declare that preachers who are preaching another gospel are leading multitudes to hell, that means that their testimony condemns them under Scripture. Again, God knows who is His(2 Timothy 2:19) and I will continue to warn the body of Christ against false gospels, because those who have never trusted in Christ ALONE to save them and die never trusting in Him alone, will end up in the lake of fire for all eternity.

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

hey kitten aren't you judging by saying" If anybody declares the plan of salvation as the catechism teaches, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. If anybody declares that water baptism has saving power, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. it is not our place to condemn anyone to hell. this is the part that it is talking about not judging.
 

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Quote: 'Therefore, it is my duty to warn professing Christians to make sure they are in the faith(2 Corinthians 13:5). A professing Christian who declares works/rituals saves them and/or that their salvation is partly based upon their own effort in good living is a testimony that conflicts with the Scriptures. Therefore, I will doubt that this person is saved, and even warn them about it, but it is not my place to condemn them that "they are going to hell"....A professing Christian who declares that they are trusting partly in themselves for salvation and not completely on Christ gives me no reason to believe that they are saved'.

We had a Bible study in the late 1970's and early 80's that drew a large number of Catholics and many that were involved in the Charismatic movement. This study grew to about 400-450 because the people were hungry for the word of God. They loved God and believed Christ for salvation but many of them were indoctrinated in Catholicism and had a difficult time with justification, what to do about sin and how to look at themselves through the finished work of Christ. In took consistent teaching preaching the grace of God, categorical doctrine and God's word to really get them over that major hump in their faith. We visited them in their homes and built them up. Many of them responded beautifully, grew in grace and got victory. I'll never forget how these people drank in the word of God and some would travel (2) hours one way every week, just to be with other believers and to hear the word of God preached. So many were released from all kinds of bondages. I remember how God was so loving and kind and so patient with them, but in their heart they responded and they got to know Him. Now it is a local church with a full time pastor and staff that has many outreaches into the surrounding area with a Bible School to boot. They help build that church and many are part of that church today with others who are on the mission field serving God fulltime.
 
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m not sure what translation you are using, or maybe you gave the wrong reference verse, but KJB say nothing about you judging others of their faith but just the opposite

2co 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
 
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Matthew 7:1 is not referring to hypocrites alone. I think you're really missing the point of this profound and mysterious teaching. This passag, and some others like it, give us insight into God's system of justice. The standard we hold others to will be the same standard we are held to by God. If you condemn people, then God will condemn you. If you forgive people, God will forgive you. Cross reference this with Luke 6:37.
 
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Matthew 7:1 is not referring to hypocrites alone. I think you're really missing the point of this profound and mysterious teaching. This passag, and some others like it, give us insight into God's system of justice. The standard we hold others to will be the same standard we are held to by God. If you condemn people, then God will condemn you. If you forgive people, God will forgive you. Cross reference this with Luke 6:37.
I agree with You on this!

I say, if you obey the word and love everyone as yourself,

Showing no favorites, and loving even our enemies,

letting Love shine, it will show people what is of God!

They will know us by our Love!

We need people to obey the word to love, not in lip service, but faith in action, mixed with Love! God is Love!

We need to step out in faith and trust what the word says!

We need to stop living off the faith of others and find our own!

God is A Great and Mighty God!

Obey the Word to Love, and believe in Jesus,

share your faith and tesitmony as you love those around you.

Don't let things get in the way of Love, God is Love!

Lay down your own wants and needs for others,

Do not harden your hearts,

The word says,

If you've done it unto the least of these you've done it unto me,

And yet it is always the least of these the church rejects!

I say love the rejects first, and the rest will follow!

I am not out to save the world,

just the ones the Lord puts in my own life!

I choose to Love all of them!

Everyone! 1COR. 13

Love is patient

Love is kind

read it for yourselves!

Go get your own oil, this is mine!

God shows no favorites, and neither do I!

We need to see the living word in your life, not lip service!

Signs and wonders follow those that believe because they make Love thier highest Goal. God is Love, so what should the face of God look like?









 
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Hi roaringkitten,

I am back. I do not know for how long, but whatever God wills, so be it.

I believe that the judgment of hell is an unscriptural one for any believer to be condemned in that manner. Catholicism or any other outwards signs of labouring in unbelief in bearing false witness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ are just voidiing faith in Him as being able in what He has done. We are to be witnesses of Him and not anything else in His name, but often times than not, false prophets and false spirits have a way of horning in on His glory to cause the grace of the Gospel to have no effect.

Galatians 5: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Or justified by any other matter as well for faith in Jesus Christ is sufficient... for anyone to say otherwise is to take away His glory as Saviour.

As for what He has done for those that believe in Him is that they have been bought with a price and sealed with that spirit of adoption so those left behind at the rapture event will have all their dead works follow them into the earth so that they may be partakers of His holiness when they are presented by Jesus with nothing else from them for no flesh shall glory in His Presence.

As false prophets will be largely responsible for this falling away from the faith, do keep in mind this promise:

2 Timothy 2:11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: 12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. 14Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers. 15Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

To understand the above more fully... we read on...

2 Timothy 2: 19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. 20But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. 21If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. 22Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Remember this promise in referring to the will of the Father...

John 6:38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And yet the core of the matter is this:

John 3:14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 5:13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

It is how believers build on that faith in their walk with the Lord that either voids that faith by dead works that deny Him or go after the flesh in fulfilling the lust thereof. These two groups of wayward believers can be seen as the foolish virgins and the prodigal son as the foolish virgins left behind finally got the oil for their lamp but too late to show their faith in what God has done as well as the prodigal son was still called son even though he gave up his first inheritance for wild living. There is a loss that is so grievious that there will be a weeping and ganshing of teeth as God will have to wipe the tears from their eye to get them past that loss.

I need Him to keep me from falling and to present me faultless as I am uncertain as to whethor I should be continuing here or not. I am not always certain of what dreams mean when trying to interpret them, but I need Him to remind me that they are for showing what is to come.. not to act as a guide, although some give warnings and as because of that, I need His help to even trust Him at His Word by knowing no matter what I purpose in my heart to do, the Lord directs my footsteps... as I trust Him to be my Good Shepherd as well as My Saviour. When two workers are in the fields ... one was taken.. and the other was left so being in the middle of making this post, I trust Him to take me even if it means this post never gets posted because He is able to finish His work in those left behind.

Judgment will fall on the House of God first as that is what I believe the rapture serves as and not just for the consummation of the Bridegroom and the Bride for those that are ready and be found by His grace as abiding in Him.

So it is best to reprove the false doctrines & false prcatises and false spirits by the scriptures with His help and warn of that judgment rather than of hell for in 2 Thessalonians 3:1-6,14,15 declares the wicked as not having faith and not following after the tradition taught of us were not to be considered as enemies but to admonish them as brothers.. wayward as they are. They were to be put out if they refuse correction, and as in this case as the falling away of the faith is occuring, churches can be led astray big time where a believer keeping the faith will need to withdraw.

May God cause the increase in this correction as He continues to use you for your presentation of the Gospel to expose the works of darkness by the scriptures for hell should not be the threat hanging over any believer at all, but the loss of their first inheritance... to be left behind at the rapture event which is prior to the great tribulation... for coming short of that rest by laboruing in unbelief... or living in a sinful lifestyle.
 
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beautyinthestruggle

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Recommended reading: "Catholicism and Fundamentalism: The Attack on 'Romanism' by 'Bible Christians'" by Karl Keating.

Bishop Fulton Sheen once wrote that few Americans hate the Catholic Church, but millions hate what they mistakenly think is the Catholic Church.

For example:

Therefore, it is my duty to warn professing Christians to make sure they are in the faith(2 Corinthians 13:5). A professing Christian who declares works/rituals saves them and/or that their salvation is partly based upon their own effort in good living is a testimony that conflicts with the Scriptures. Therefore, I will doubt that this person is saved, and even warn them about it, but it is not my place to condemn them that "they are going to hell"....A professing Christian who declares that they are trusting partly in themselves for salvation and not completely on Christ gives me no reason to believe that they are saved.
I know of no Christian denomination that teaches this doctrine. :)
 
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"Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." Matthew 7:1-5

Too often, professing Christians use only the preselected quote I have in my thread header as a way to justify themselves that we should not ever judge brethren in light of doctrinal errors. Immediately it is apparent that such people take this passage out of context and make doctrine off this one quote from Scripture. This is how false doctrine is born. When one fails to look at Scripture in light of other Scripture, not correctly interpreting verses in context, the Word becomes very confusing.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2 Timothy 4:2-4

If you read the Matthew 7:1-5 passage in context you will see who it is being addressed to! It is being addressed to hypocrites! Those who judge others in spite of the fact that they themselves do the very things they are judging others about! This verse says nothing about those Christians who are concerned about sound doctrine, nor does it forbid Christians from sounding the alarms to false doctrines.

We as Christians are to judge ourselves(1 Corinthians 11:31-32, 2 Corinthians 13:5), will judge the world and angels(1 Corinthians 6:2-3), our brethren in light of their conduct(2 Thessalonians 3:14-15). Note that in order for us to discern conduct, we must make a Biblical judgment toward that brethren as to whether or not such conduct is Godly or not. This is NOT the same type of hypocritical judgment that Matthew 7:1-5 teaches us.

We are not to judge trivial matters or traditions of Christians(so long as conduct is not diametrically opposed to the Word of God and/or would be a stumbling block to the unsaved). See Colossians 2:16-17, 1 Corinthians 10:23-33 to read more about this. Matters of the heart, only God knows(1 Corinthians 4:1-5, 1 Samuel 16:7). We can only take man's testimony that they believed the Son of God, but only God knows who are His(2 Timothy 2:19).

We are not to yell that pentecostals, charismatics, catholics are going to hell, that is not our judgment to make. But we are to warn people that profess to believe another gospel(whether it be those of a particular denomination, an individual,etc), that if they do in fact believe in another Jesus by believing partly in themselves for salvation that they will go to hell(which is only reminding them of a Biblical truth). It is Biblical to warn unbelievers that they will go to hell if they do not trust on Christ for their sins. Jesus warned about hell much in his ministry, so should we, and to point them all to the Savior!

When a professing Christian asks me if they are going to hell(eg: for not believing in eternal security), I will never say "yes" or "no" but will say that only if they believe a counterfeit gospel will they burn in the lake of fire for eternity. The judgment is ultimately God's. Men are justified before men(James 2:18) but God knows the heart(1 Samuel 16:7, 2 Timothy 2:19).

Therefore, it is my duty to warn professing Christians to make sure they are in the faith(2 Corinthians 13:5). A professing Christian who declares works/rituals saves them and/or that their salvation is partly based upon their own effort in good living is a testimony that conflicts with the Scriptures. Therefore, I will doubt that this person is saved, and even warn them about it, but it is not my place to condemn them that "they are going to hell"....A professing Christian who declares that they are trusting partly in themselves for salvation and not completely on Christ gives me no reason to believe that they are saved.

If anybody declares the plan of salvation as the catechism teaches, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. If anybody declares that water baptism has saving power, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. This is only Biblical observation on the basis of matching their testimony to Scripture(Isaiah 8:20). When I declare that preachers who are preaching another gospel are leading multitudes to hell, that means that their testimony condemns them under Scripture. Again, God knows who is His(2 Timothy 2:19) and I will continue to warn the body of Christ against false gospels, because those who have never trusted in Christ ALONE to save them and die never trusting in Him alone, will end up in the lake of fire for all eternity.

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

Quote: "Therefore, it is my duty to warn professing Christians to make sure they are in the faith(2 Corinthians 13:5). A professing Christian who declares works/rituals saves them and/or that their salvation is partly based upon their own effort in good living is a testimony that conflicts with the Scriptures. Therefore, I will doubt that this person is saved, and even warn them about it, but it is not my place to condemn them that "they are going to hell"....A professing Christian who declares that they are trusting partly in themselves for salvation and not completely on Christ gives me no reason to believe that they are saved.

If anybody declares the plan of salvation as the catechism teaches, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. If anybody declares that water baptism has saving power, their testimony declares that they are going to hell in their sins. This is only Biblical observation on the basis of matching their testimony to Scripture(Isaiah 8:20). When I declare that preachers who are preaching another gospel are leading multitudes to hell, that means that their testimony condemns them under Scripture. Again, God knows who is His(2 Timothy 2:19) and I will continue to warn the body of Christ against false gospels, because those who have never trusted in Christ ALONE to save them and die never trusting in Him alone, will end up in the lake of fire for all eternity." END OF QUOTE

If anyone deliberately teaches false doctrine; i.e., faith alone, baptism only symbolic, etc., they are going to hell.

Roaring Kitten, hope you have a lot of sun tan lotion and deodorant!

Amen.
 
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