FALSE PROPHETS IN THE LAST DAY.

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May 18, 2011
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Originally Posted by wakeup

Just because you can quote scripture does not mean you know the scriptures.
Big deal you can quote scripture; Satan also can quote scripture.
Even the evil spirits know that Jesus is the son of God.
which you dont know,for you said that Jesus is God,shame on you.


just astounding.

you are an idolator, then, if you pray to or worship a created Christ.

EMMANUEL....any clue what that means?

This is my only 2 cents worth on this, Deut. 6:4 "Hear oh Israel, the Lord is God, the Lord is one."
John 1:1&14 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God." 14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." Shalom
 

zone

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This is my only 2 cents worth on this, Deut. 6:4 "Hear oh Israel, the Lord is God, the Lord is one."
John 1:1&14 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God." 14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." Shalom
yes Avinu.
we have some who insist Jesus is a created entity.
tell me: how do YOU witness to those who hold that belief?
how do the hebrews you witness to come to accept Jesus is Emmanuel?
 
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Peter T: I AGREE!!

Zone: post 40, Thumbs up!

MAGGIE
 
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[QUOTEyes Avinu.
we have some who insist Jesus is a created entity.
tell me: how do YOU witness to those who hold that belief?
how do the hebrews you witness to come to accept Jesus is Emmanuel? ][/QUOTE]

Zone, well as you may know when you first try witnessing to the hebrews about Yeshua, they won't even listen to you if you try to talk about the NT. So I have to start with the Tanak, and show them all the evidence in there of the prophecies of Yeshua. Then when/if they allow you to continue, I can give the comparison from OT to the NT. Hebrew people have been told from birth that they are NEVER to look or read the NT, taught that it was lies. But when you show them the comparisons they are dumb founded and perplexed at the truth between the two. Needless to say it is awesome when they see the truth. Shalom
 

zone

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Zone, well as you may know when you first try witnessing to the hebrews about Yeshua, they won't even listen to you if you try to talk about the NT. So I have to start with the Tanak, and show them all the evidence in there of the prophecies of Yeshua. Then when/if they allow you to continue, I can give the comparison from OT to the NT. Hebrew people have been told from birth that they are NEVER to look or read the NT, taught that it was lies. But when you show them the comparisons they are dumb founded and perplexed at the truth between the two. Needless to say it is awesome when they see the truth. Shalom
yes, it is all glory to God when they see.
and we do have to get them away from their Rabbis if we are to have any success.

i have heard as well that they are discouraged from reading Daniel (which of course would clearly reveal Jesus)

2 Corinthians 3
12Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when oned turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17Now the Lorde is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,f are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.

Avinu: what do you make of the New Perspective on Paul? do you think the Christians have misunderstood him?

also, what do you make of the Noahide Laws?
 
May 18, 2011
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We receive the Spirit, and are saved, and He is the promise, the seal, that we will receive the physical redemption of our bodies when we see Him.
Isaiah is even worse for them, because it has more prophecy of Yeshua than any other in Tanak. They hate it because they can't refute it at all.

2 Corinthians 3
12Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, 13not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. 14But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. 15Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. 16But when oned turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. 17Now the Lorde is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord,f are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
AMEN.

Avinu: what do you make of the New Perspective on Paul? do you think the Christians have misunderstood him?
If you mean those who are saying Paul's writings are false, I think they are barking up the wrong tree.

also, what do you make of the Noahide Laws?
Garbage!

Shalom
 
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Hebrews 2:16> For verily He took not on him the nature of angels, but He took on Him the SEED of Abraham.

Hebrews 2:17> Wherefore in all things it behoved Him to be MADE like unto His BRETHREN, that He might be a merciful and faithful HIGH PRIEST in things PERTAINING to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

1 John 3:24> And He that keepeth His commandments dwelleth IN HIM, And He in Him. And hereby we know that HE ABIDETH IN US, BY THE SPIRIT WHICH HE HATH GIVEN US.

1 Timothy 3:16> .....God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, RECEIVED up into glory.

1 John 4:12> NO MAN hath SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME. If we love one another, GOD DWELLETH IN US, and His love is perfected IN us.

Romans 8:11> But if the SPIRIT of HIM THAT RAISED JESUS from the dead DWELL in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT that DWELLETH IN YOU.

Colossians 1:15> Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn or every creature.

Luke 8:11> Now the parable is this, The SEED is the Word of God.

John 6:63> It is the SPIRIT that quickeneth, the flesh profits nothing, the WORD(S) that I SPEAK unto you, THEY are SPIRIT, and THEY are LIFE.

John 17:17> Sanctify them through Thy WORD, Thy WORD is TRUTH.

John 15:26> But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you FROM THE FATHER, even the SPIRIT of TRUTH, which PROCEEDETH FROM THE FATHER, He shall testify of Me.

Genesis 1:3> And God SAID, Let there be light, and there was light.

Psalm 33:6> By the WORD of the Lord were the heavens made, and all the host of them BY THE BREATH OF HIS MOUTH.

Jesus the man was created by Gods Word. It is THAT Spirit which is FROM the Father which manifested INTO Jesus. Jesus had His own soul also. And that WORD which is SPIRIT ENGRAFTS onto OUR souls also (Romans 8:11) , just as it did to Jesus. (Engraft : James 1:21)
It is that WORD which was with God in the beginning (John 1:1). That kept aside Word which became ONE with Jesus' soul at resurrection when He was born again and the grafting process was completed by the Father. So now Jesus became ONE with that kept aside WORD which CREATED everything, which came OUT of the Father, since He became ONE with that Word, that Word is now Jesus, and since they are ONE, that means EVERYTHING the Word ever did, Jesus did too, for THEY are ONE.

Mark 15:34> My GOD, My GOD, why hast Thou forsaken Me?

Jesus had the FULL MEASURE of Spirit (John 3:34). Even that kept aside Spirit that created all things at Gods command. That Spirit was taken out of Jesus for a short while on the cross (Mark 15:34). This is what forsook Him. Jesus took on the sins of the world, THAT Spirit will not dwell with that state. At His resurrection, THAT Spirit was grafted back into Jesus. And just as we are told we can be cut off, and if cut off, then something else will be taken from us...that Holy Spirit which grafts. But it can be re-grafted.

At our resurrection, we become one with our measure of Spirit given which comes from the Father measured out to each man accordingly. No man gets the measure of Spirit Jesus did. NO man nor angel even comes close. For that LIFE/Spirit that is IN the Father, is now also FULLY in His Son. Both now have that SAME LIFE and measure, which means BOTH and only Them both can create with their Word. And That Word comes from within the Father and is put into all who obey Him in lesser measure....It is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is the Son. The heir. How can a heir inherit if His Father NEVER DIES?
He cannot. Unless God SHARES with His Son and makes Him His express Image and Word.
NOW Jesus can be called God the Father also as in Isaiah, for He is the EXPRESS IMAGE of His Father.
This is how God enabled His Son to INHERIT.
Every Son inherits his fathers estate. This is impossible to inherit with a father who never dies, so a plan must be organized for the son to share what he would otherwise NEVER get to CLAIM. Oh the glory of God.






 
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WAKEUP This is not correct, Rev.17:12 " The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.

This is also incorrect, the battle of Megido, or Armageddon is at the end of the tribulation during the sixth bowl judgement. Rev. 16:14-16. No where does it say the anti-christ will destroy the dome of the rock and build his own temple.

This too is all a part of the Armageddon war. Rev. 16:12


It is the beast and the false prophet cast into the lake of fire. Rev. 19:20. Shalom
Hi you seem to have a good insite in to the Bible
what do you think of this

Jesus tales us the signs

The beginning of sorrows.

the abomination of desolation,

sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Immediately after the tribulation And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

Then Jesus said

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
He comes as a thief

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

After Jesus telling us the signs and that we will NOT know the day .

You pre-tribers after reading the signs, say that you WILL know the day

After Jesus just telling us that we will NOT know the day, but my Father only

And then they say Mt24 that cannot be the rapture because He comes as a thief and we will know the day, so it must be a pre-trib rapture.
 
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My family in christ

How can i see the false phrophet because now we are having many phrophets who lay people hands and people healed. Mat 7:15 confuse me. Please help
 

pickles

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hi pickles: actually, that was peter quoting Joel:
Peter was saying this (what they saw happening at Pentecost) was what joel had prophesied.

as with many prophecies, there is that remaining fulfilmment just over the horizon which can be vaguely seen (the cosmic signs), but we are not to expect a second pentecost.
Zone, yes Peter spoke to this prophacy given by Joel.
I guess the interpitaion of this will always be debated by many.
I see in this scripture and the scripture that follows, no word of it being only for that time and only again in the last days.
I see only this prophacy as being for this and generations to follow untill that glorious day.
But like I said many debate this.
One thing that I have been considering, if revelations refurs to the time of Jesus birth to the last day, which is His glorious return.
Would it not be correct to say that from Jesus to the return is all the last days?
This is just something I am considering though. :)

God bless.
pickles
 
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Zone, yes Peter spoke to this prophacy given by Joel.
I guess the interpitaion of this will always be debated by many.
I see in this scripture and the scripture that follows, no word of it being only for that time and only again in the last days.
I see only this prophacy as being for this and generations to follow untill that glorious day.
But like I said many debate this.
One thing that I have been considering, if revelations refurs to the time of Jesus birth to the last day, which is His glorious return.
Would it not be correct to say that from Jesus to the return is all the last days?
This is just something I am considering though. :)
Since Jesus came till His return...the clock is ticking...i believe this. May God guide your questions with His answers Pickles.
 
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Originally Posted by Avinu

[QUOTEIf you read daniel 11:45 you will see that he will plant the tabernacle of his PALACE between the seas in the glorious holy mountain.(jerusalem]

That's not the mnt. of Olives as you were indicating. Wakeup you put alot of false scriptures on here, I'm not the only one who has commented on it. Are you reading the Bible? I'm sorry, please stick with scripture. Shalom
The holy mountain is where the temple use to be,not mount of olives,but mount moriah,where the dome is now. [/quote] My bad, I meant Mnt. Moriah.


Show me in scripture where it is, or is that one of those secret mathematics like the recent rapture?

WakeUp, I've shown what I talk about, with verses. You have yet to back your claims with scripture. Shalom[/quote]

You are very curious dont you,well there are so many scriptures to go through .
Maybe next time.
 
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yes Avinu.
we have some who insist Jesus is a created entity.
tell me: how do YOU witness to those who hold that belief?
how do the hebrews you witness to come to accept Jesus is Emmanuel?
[/QUOTE]Tell me Zone, when Jesus was born out of Mary, was his body spirit or flesh?
 
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This is my only 2 cents worth on this, Deut. 6:4 "Hear oh Israel, the Lord is God, the Lord is one."
John 1:1&14 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God." 14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." Shalom
yes as you can see many claim to be Christian but avoid scriptures that would rebuke their views and cling to their self righteousness and interpertation and when asked to provide scriptures to back their words they prefer to say "maybe next time"....

hopefully those under his sway will not listen when the month and year comes and goes without Jesus appearance, because I do not think you can predict that, but you may be able to predict the raise of the Beast or false Prophet.

Dear Lord Give us peace and the words to witness to the world and show them Your greatness and saving grace in Our Lord Jesus Christ.





http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/f181/jonestown-massacre-photos-18-november-1978-a-11317/

False prophets are those who deny sections of the Bible to promote their own power. They sin against God and God will be their judge.

Revelations 22

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.[m] Amen.
 
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False Prophets.

Jesus called them pharisses. Nowadays they are called calvanists.
 
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This is my only 2 cents worth on this, Deut. 6:4 "Hear oh Israel, the Lord is God, the Lord is one."
John 1:1&14 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS God." 14) And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth." Shalom
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

question: why does it say ; IN THE BEGINNING?
 

zone

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Zone, yes Peter spoke to this prophacy given by Joel.
I guess the interpitaion of this will always be debated by many.
I see in this scripture and the scripture that follows, no word of it being only for that time and only again in the last days.
I see only this prophacy as being for this and generations to follow untill that glorious day.
But like I said many debate this.
One thing that I have been considering, if revelations refurs to the time of Jesus birth to the last day, which is His glorious return.
Would it not be correct to say that from Jesus to the return is all the last days?
This is just something I am considering though. :)

God bless.
pickles
totally accurate:)
 
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MaggieMye

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My family in christ

How can i see the false phrophet because now we are having many phrophets who lay people hands and people healed. Mat 7:15 confuse me. Please help

Scripture tells us that we will know the difference between the prophets BY THEIR FRUIT. Healing is what GOD does THROUGH a person. True person/prophet or false, God will use anyone to bring about His good. Jesus could not heal because of unbelief. So...if the sick person believes in the healing power of the name of Jesus, they can be healed and it matters not that the person doing the laying on of hands is a false prophet....or any prophet at all.

Every true prophet will be: teachable, accountable, repentant when corrected, filled with the Holy Spirit, speak in tongues, and be humble. If you detect any pride, then it would be good to question the person claiming to be a prophet. Typically, people that have the prophetic office given to them from God, never pursue it. Most do not clamor after that position, but do honor it when they come into understanding that that is their call from Him.
Maggie
 
May 18, 2011
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Hi you seem to have a good insite in to the Bible
what do you think of this

Jesus tales us the signs

The beginning of sorrows.

the abomination of desolation,

sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Immediately after the tribulation And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:

Then Jesus said

Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
He comes as a thief

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

After Jesus telling us the signs and that we will NOT know the day .

You pre-tribers after reading the signs, say that you WILL know the day

After Jesus just telling us that we will NOT know the day, but my Father only

And then they say Mt24 that cannot be the rapture because He comes as a thief and we will know the day, so it must be a pre-trib rapture.
PeterT, I'm not quite sure your question, but I love Matt. 24. If you're asking me my stance of pre-trib. Well, I believe it is a false teaching that has greatly infected the Body of Messiah. As I'm sure you've heard and seen through the yrs. Everybody keeps coming up with dates for the rapture and yet we are still here. Yeshua/Jesus coming as a thief in the night is pertaining to those who don't know Him personally. I hope I answered you, if not let me know. Shalom
 
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yes as you can see many claim to be Christian but avoid scriptures that would rebuke their views and cling to their self righteousness and interpertation and when asked to provide scriptures to back their words they prefer to say "maybe next time"....

hopefully those under his sway will not listen when the month and year comes and goes without Jesus appearance, because I do not think you can predict that, but you may be able to predict the raise of the Beast or false Prophet.

Dear Lord Give us peace and the words to witness to the world and show them Your greatness and saving grace in Our Lord Jesus Christ.





http://www.documentingreality.com/fo...-1978-a-11317/

False prophets are those who deny sections of the Bible to promote their own power. They sin against God and God will be their judge.

Revelations 22

18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add[j] to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away[k] his part from the Book[l] of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.”
Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!
21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.[m] Amen.


AnandaHya, Amen, Shalom