THE NEW JERUSALEM

Avinu · May 22, 2011

Rev. 21:12 "Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel."

Those who's names are written in the Lamb's book of Life will enter into this new Heaven. Denominations have been such a stumbling block to the Body of Messiah. The word is clear that the entrances to the New Heaven has a name of the 12 tribes of Israel. That means to enter in we will have to go through one of those gates. If anyone has noticed none of the gates has the name Baptist, catholic,protestant,lutheran,reformed, etc. Don't you think that we need to be more focused on God's word and not what denominations are pushing on us? Just some food for thought. Shalom

journey41 · May 23, 2011

Avinu said:

[/QUOTE] Great point Avinu!

Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, saphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald

Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrsolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth, the twelth, an amethyst.

Malachi 3:17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him.

VW · May 23, 2011

In actuality, we who are His bride ARE the New Jerusalem!

AnandaHya · May 23, 2011

journey41 said:

in case you didn't know each of those stones represent a tribe of Israel and can be found in the Old testament on the vest of the High priest must wear before entering into the Holy of Holies where the ark of the Covenant was.

Spiritual Israel and national Israel are not the same any more then the Spirit is the same as the flesh. One affirms that Jesus is Lord and savior and the other rejects the spirit of prophecy which is the testimony of Jesus Christ.

i agree with VW's statement: New Jeruselum is the Bride of Christ, we are the living stones that are used to build it.

VW said:

Revelations 21
, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.”[g] 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy[h] Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal.

wakeup · May 23, 2011

VW said:

Read again vw we are the ones invited to the symbolic wedding,we are not the bride.
The holy jerusalem coming down from heaven is a cube of 1400mls.
can you explain this one.

VW · May 23, 2011

It is simple.

9: And one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues, came and spoke with me, saying, "Come here, I shall show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10: And He carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, 11: having the glory of God. Her brilliance was like a very costly stone, as a stone of crystal-clear jasper.

I don't know why most bibles have a heading break between verse 9 and 10, but they should not.

VW · May 23, 2011

What do you mean that we are not the bride? It is written in scripture that we are the bride of Christ.

resurrection33 · May 23, 2011

Avinu said:

Rev. 21:12 "Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel."

Those who's names are written in the Lamb's book of Life will enter into this new Heaven. Denominations have been such a stumbling block to the Body of Messiah. The word is clear that the entrances to the New Heaven has a name of the 12 tribes of Israel. That means to enter in we will have to go through one of those gates. If anyone has noticed none of the gates has the name Baptist, catholic,protestant,lutheran,reformed, etc. Don't you think that we need to be more focused on God's word and not what denominations are pushing on us? Just some food for thought. Shalom

I think of New Jerusalem as being a clear conscience.

Avinu · May 23, 2011

I would be careful to say that original Israel is no more, Jesus said He came for the Jews first, He didn't say He came to replace them. Romans 11, The gentiles are grafted into the Tree of Israel, God also said don't be puffed up either, if He will remove a part of the original branch, He will also remove what has been grafted in. Never in scripture Has God said that He is finished with Israel, He states the exact opposite. He will restore them back to being His, and we who received Yeshua/Jesus with be a part of it.

Yes we are the bride of Messiah, but we are not the stones that build new Jerusalem. So does that mean you're 1500 miles tall and wide and long? If it was meant spiritually only it wouldn't have measurements of this kind. Everything in scripture is first the physical and then the spiritual. Shalom

livingbygrace · May 23, 2011

Avinu said:

Absolutely, yes

VW · May 23, 2011

Avinu said:

I don't agree that everything in scripture is first physical, then spiritual. When John saw New Jerusalem coming down from heaven, the angel who showed it to him said that this was the bride.

How is this possible? I don't know, but I do know that we are being built up as a house for God.

There are many things I would say to this issue, how we can be the New Jerusalem, but I am leery.

wakeup · May 23, 2011

VW said:

This is symbolicly speaking, Christ as the groom and his woman Zion,his wife.
Christ is not a lamb,Christ is not a rock, Chist is not a shepherd, Christ is not a branch,Christ is not bread, Christ is not a tree,as the tree of life.
when he says i am the light, it does not mean he is a walking bulb glowing.
These are all symbols used.
Heavenly jerusalem will come down, only when all the earth has been made perfect,only then God himself will come down,and dwell on earth,with us.
We need to look into this more, to be sure. God bless.

VW · May 23, 2011

wakeup said:

God will dwell in New Jerusalem, as it is written. And truthfully, we are the bride, and it is not symbolic at all. It is just not like we think of brides in this life. In this case, we are bride and Groom forever, joined as one for all time and into eternity.

I believe it is a mistake to make this very important part of our relationship with Jesus symbolic.

In Christ,

VW · May 23, 2011

A further thought about our being the bride of Christ. God set up marriage in this world based upon the relationship He set before us in Jesus Christ, in the very beginning. So if anything, marriage on this earth is symbolic of the true marriage that we have with and in Christ Jesus.

In Christ,

Avinu · May 23, 2011

VW, Yes we are the bride of Messiah, both physically and spiritually. I don't argue with what the angel told John. Here's how it's physical first, We receive Yeshua/Jesus into our heart, then we start the process of eliminating our walk that has always been in the flesh, whatever that pertains to with each individual. As we are doing that we are transfering from the walk of the flesh to walking in the spirit. Removing that old self and taking of the Body of Messiah. If you look through out scripture of God's pattern of how He deals with us individually and as nations it's always physical first and then spiritual. So yes the New Jerusalem is the bride for it our dwelling place forever, but it is also going to be a physical place that descends from Heaven to the new earth, which is 1500 miles high as it is wide as it is deep, along with 200 hundred ft. thick walls. Therefore we will have to enter one of those gates that have the names of the twelve tribes of Israel on them. I wouldn't say we are being built up as a house for God, for in Rev. 21:22 says "But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple." Shalom

Avinu · May 23, 2011

VW, I think you're absolutely correct on this. The whole (I know there are some that would disagree) Bible is based off the Sabbath and Marriage. Yeshua didn't just die for our sins. In Torah(Books of Moses for anyone who doesn't know) if a spouse commited adultery, the only way to be restored unto there spouse, the punishment was death. Well since YHWH/God can't go against His own word, since we through out all history have committed spiritual adultery against Him, the only way to restore us is death, So Yeshua took that punishment for us. That's why God said I will give all unto you, we went from being the bride of God to the bride of Messiah. Here is an example of first the physical then the spiritual. shalom

wakeup · May 23, 2011

VW said:

When God says to irael; I was married to you, was it phisical or symbolic?

VW · May 23, 2011

wakeup said:

Neither, it was spiritual. Just as I am joined to my wife in this life, it is more than physical, it is more than symbolic, it is a joining of two people that they become one.

We are joined to Jesus. We are joined to Him in His death, in His burial, in His resurrection, in His life, in His love, in His being the Son of God. We are one with Him.

Marriage.

Avinu · May 23, 2011

VW, when you were joined with your wife was it not sealed in being with her your wedding night, then we bond spiritually because we become one before YHWH. We join first in the physical, we are bonded spiritually before God. Same with Yeshua, He joined with us physically first through His death and resurrection. Then spiritually when we became His bride because of what He did for us, plus the receiving of the Holy Spirit. Shalom

Avinu · May 23, 2011

VW, 1Corinthians 15:46 "However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." Shalom

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