GOD DONE WITH ISRAEL?

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I have seen much talk against and for Israel on here. There are those who believe OT is completely fulfilled and that Israel really isn't apart of anything anymore.

There are those who believe that Israel is the epic center of scripture.

Here is scripture that as far as I know has yet to be fulfilled, never have I heard this ever happening through out history.

When God said His covenant with Israel is forever, as far as I have learned, the word forever has no end.

ZECHARIAH 8:23
THUS SAYS YHWH TZVA'OT(GOD OF HOSTS): " IN THOSE DAYS IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT TEN MEN SHALL TAKE HOLD, OUT OF ALL THE LANGUAGES OF THE NATIONS, SHALL EVEN TAKE HOLD OF THE TZIT TZIT(TASSLES) OF HIM THAT IS A JEW, SAYING: WE WILL GO WITH YOU, FOR WE HAVE HEARD THAT ELOHIM(GOD) IS WITH YOU."

In fact if you read the whole chapter, it is clear none of it has ever been fufilled yet. SHALOM
 
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John 8:37-47 (New King James Version)

Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s


37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[a] your father.”
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”


Jesus tells the Pharisees who do not believe that He is the Messiah, Savior of the world, WHO they are. you can believe men's words or you can believe Jesus' message. the message is NOT against Israel but AGAINST those who DENY Jesus as LORD and Savior for Jesus came to save the WHOLE WORLD both Jews and Gentile!
 
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Jesus tells the Pharisees who do not believe that He is the Messiah, Savior of the world, WHO they are. you can believe men's words or you can believe Jesus' message. the message is NOT against Israel but AGAINST those who DENY Jesus as LORD and Savior for Jesus came to save the WHOLE WORLD both Jews and Gentile!
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AnandaHya, there's no arguement on the fact that Yeshua came to save ANYONE willing to receive Him as there Saviour. But that is not what this thread is about. Shalom
 
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AnandaHya, there's no arguement on the fact that Yeshua came to save ANYONE willing to receive Him as there Saviour. But that is not what this thread is about. Shalom
tell me again what the thread is about? who do you include when you say Israel?
 
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In fact if you read the whole chapter, it is clear none of it has ever been fufilled yet. Thats the way I have read it .
 
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tell me again what the thread is about? who do you include when you say Israel?
AnandaHya, I truly mean no sarcasm, but please re-read my original thread and the whole chapter, I believe it is very explanitory. Shalom
 
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The truth is God is not done with Israel,nor will He ever be done with Israel,and all Gentile nations will fall,but Israel will be the mighty nation in the millennial reign of Christ.

Because of Israel's rejection of their Messiah,Jesus,God allowed the Roman Empire to overthrow Jerusalem and Israel,and scatter them in to the nations,where they would serve those nations,as they were also punished when they had to serve Babylon for their disobedience.

This was the warning that God gave them in the Old Testament,that if Israel disobeyed,God would allow other nations to scatter them off their land,and this was because by disobeying God,they lost His protection and blessing.

But nonetheless,no matter how much Israel disobeyed,and was punished,it was only a temporary punishment,and could never be a permanent punishment.

Jesus said that salvation is of the Jews.Salvation is of the Jews,and is always their salvation,and God already promised the Jews a world without end,the New Jerusalem,and God will never go back on that promise,and God said,I am the LORD,I change not,therefore you sons of Jacob are not consumed,meaning God will always work with the Jews,and God said He has not cast off His people,the Jews that He foreknew.

The Jews may be punished from time to time,throughout history,because of their following false gods of the nations around them,but God will never cast them off,or forsake them,and will always have a plan for them from start to finish,the New Jerusalem.

Salvation is of the Jews,and is always of the Jews,and the Gentiles were brought in to that salvation,and God said for the Gentiles to not get arrogant against the Jews,for God can also save them who are a natural branch,where the Gentiles were wild branches.

In the Old Testament God gave Israel a cursing and a blessing.A cursing if they did not obey the truth,and followed the gods of the nations around them,and a blessing if they obeyed God and His commandments.

Any time that the Jews were punished by being scattered off their land,God said that any time they come to their senses and cry out to God,and seek His face,God would hear and return them to their land.

God said even in the latter days,which is the last days of the last days,before Christ takes over the world,that if the Jews cry out to God in the truth,God will hear from heaven and make their nation prosper again.

We know that for the most part the Jews do not recognize Jesus as their Messiah,and must recognize Jesus in their nation on a much bigger level,for God to make their nation prosper again.

They must recognize Jesus as their Messiah,which is to be in the truth,before they can prosper as a nation.

The thing is the Jews missed it,when Jesus came,on the level they should of accepted Him,and they did not understand that there cannot be a world without end for them,a spiritual world,until there is a sinless human that represent mankind back to a holy God,and win everything back that Adam lost.

The Jews cannot proceed further to receive a spiritual kingdom until a sinless human opens up the spiritual kingdom by reconciling sinful mankind back to a holy God.

So while the Jews were waiting for their Messiah to show up and put down the Roman Empire,they missed out that there has to be a humble,sinless man,who does the will of God perfectly,for the spiritual kingdom to even come about,before God can even put down their oppressors and make Israel flourish as a nation again on earth,and lead to the spiritual kingdom,the New Jerusalem.

The Old Testament was only physical ordinances,although the law was holy,good,and just,but nobody could live up to the law,not having the Spirit,for nobody won back what Adam lost,so it was not spiritual yet,but the Jews could have their sins covered with the blood of bulls and goats.

When Christ came,His blood took away sins completely,and you can receive the Spirit,which a Spirit led life will not fulfill the desires of the flesh,and you then can obey the moral laws being led of the Spirit,to be spiritually right with God.

The Jews missed that nothing can proceed for them,until there is a humble,sinless man,to cause it to proceed for the Jews to have the physical kingdom back in the millennial reign of Christ,and then have the spiritual kingdom,the New Jerusalem,after that,the world without end.

The disciples knew from the Old Testament that God would one day restore the kingdom back to the Jews,and they asked Jesus before He ascended in to heaven,will you again restore the kingdom back to Israel at this time,but Jesus said it is not for you to know the times and the seasons,that the Father has put in His own power,but go preach the Gospel and be concerned with spreading the truth.

So Jesus was saying He was not going to restore the kingdom to them at that time,but would in the future.

The Bible says that blindness has come in part to Israel,but that was their doing for not accepting Jesus on the level they should of,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,which means salvation came upon the Gentiles,and so all Israel shall be saved.

So blindness in part has happened to Israel,until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in,and so all Israel shall be saved.

The fulness of the Gentiles coming in,is when God allows the world 7 ways to have their way,for God is allowing everybody that does not love Him,to follow the beast system,which will be all Gentile nations together going against the operation of God,and then Israel coming to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and Jesus restoring the kingdom back to the Jews.

All Israel shall be saved means physical Israel,Jesus restoring the kingdom to Israel,where all Gentile nations shall fall.

God said He is going to make a full end of all the Gentile nations,but He will not make a full end of Israel,but He will not leave them altogether wholly unpunished,which means Israel will be punished for disobedience,but she will not fall,but all Gentile nations will fall.

The Bible says that God will restore the kingdom on earth to the Jews,after they have borne their shame for trespassing against the LORD,for not recognizing God's plan for them,by giving them the Old Testament as a school teacher,which could never provide spiritual salvation,and you can only dwell with God if you are spiritual,and then sending them Jesus to open up the spiritual kingdom,and further God's plan of providing spiritual salvation for the Jews.

After the Jews have borne their shame,wherewith they trespassed against God,by not understanding God's purpose for them,that it was more than the Old Testament that could cause them to prosper and be right with God,where God hid His face from them temporarily,God will bring them back to their land and restore the kingdom to them,and then the heathen shall know,the Gentiles,that the Jews went in to captivity because they trespassed against the LORD,not because the Gentiles were really that powerful,but God had mercy on them and caused them to be the mighty kingdom on earth again.

God said that He is going to gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle,and then the LORD shall go forth and fight against those nations as He did in the day of battle,when He protected Israel in the Old Testament.

God will give the world 7 years to have their way,and allow all people that do not love Him to follow the beast system.

The Gentile nations will come together,all the governments,in rebellion against God,and the Jews will not be blinded in part anymore,but come to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,although some Jews will probably follow the beast system,but the Jews for the most part will recognize Jesus as their savior on the level they should.

God will send the Jews 2 witnesses to turn their hearts to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah,and the Jews will turn to Jesus as their Messiah.

All the Gentile nations,the governments,will be as one,and when the beast appears claiming to be God,and the world takes the mark of the beast and makes war against the Christians,God will take His children home,which will be the fulness of the Gentiles coming in,spiritual salvation,in which no Gentiles can ever be saved after God takes the saved Gentiles out of the world.

I believe that the resurrection will be both Gentile and Jews,who are with Christ,but the Jews will be caught up with the Gentiles,who recognized Jesus prior to the 7 years period starting,and the Jews who turned to Jesus by way of the 2 witnesses are on earth when the world attacks Israel.

Jesus said the Jews will not see Him again until they say blessed is He that comes in the name of the Lord,which means recognize Jesus as their Messiah.

The world will attack Jerusalem,the Jews,and the Jews will have recognized Jesus as their Messiah by then because of the 2 witnesses,and will cry out to Jesus for help,and Jesus will come back with His saints and save Israel,and all Gentile nations shall fall,and Jesus will restore the kingdom back to the Jews,in which the book of Psalms says,that God of the fruit of David's body,will sit upon David's throne,in which Jesus will sit on the throne of David and rule out of Jerusalem,with His saints,over one sixth of the world that God spared that attacked the Jews.

God never gave up on His people Israel,and never forsaked them,and never will forsake them,and salvation is of the Jews,and always of the Jews,and all Gentile nations will fall,and Jesus will restore the kingdom to the Jews in the millennial reign of Christ.
 
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I have seen much talk against and for Israel on here. There are those who believe OT is completely fulfilled and that Israel really isn't apart of anything anymore.

There are those who believe that Israel is the epic center of scripture.

Here is scripture that as far as I know has yet to be fulfilled, never have I heard this ever happening through out history.

When God said His covenant with Israel is forever, as far as I have learned, the word forever has no end.

ZECHARIAH 8:23
THUS SAYS YHWH TZVA'OT(GOD OF HOSTS): " IN THOSE DAYS IT SHALL COME TO PASS, THAT TEN MEN SHALL TAKE HOLD, OUT OF ALL THE LANGUAGES OF THE NATIONS, SHALL EVEN TAKE HOLD OF THE TZIT TZIT(TASSLES) OF HIM THAT IS A JEW, SAYING: WE WILL GO WITH YOU, FOR WE HAVE HEARD THAT ELOHIM(GOD) IS WITH YOU."

In fact if you read the whole chapter, it is clear none of it has ever been fufilled yet. SHALOM
Hi Avinu; first i do not claim to be any of those ten men, but i do consider myself to be an adopted Jew through the blood shed on the cross by Christ, the annoited one of YAH.

As i am not born of the tribe of Judah, i am first and foremost, a practising Christian, realizing the fact, that if your going to be sincere, Nobody could actually be a Christian in the flesh; as that is stating that you can obey as well as The Annointed One, and your only fooling yourself if you beleive that is the case.

But, we are to never stop practising, as the Day is soon coming, when we will all be better equipted to actually toe the line. Its just that things are so unfair everywhere, that its impossible not to fall now and then.

As far as ten going after one Jew; i would pray to God that i be one of those Jews, as i beleive that this concerning the appearance of anti-christ (the false prophet etc...) the begining of The Day of Jacobs (Israel's) Trouble.

I beleive if your not Jewish born. That it will also be the adopted Jews that will be doing our Fathers Will, in the feild, gathering the other Jews and Adopted Jews that will Need assistance to go out into the wilderness (local parks) just like Moses and Christ were led into the wilderness through Our Fathers Will, To prove to a flesh human, that Our Father can provide for ALL, Anywhere, Anytime.

Receiving the Greater healings that Christ promised would take place prior to His return; while the rest are sucked into the Greater miricles that the instead of christ will be performing for the masses of decieved people, that Christ also promised would take place prior to His return.

Also known as the Great Apostacy, and warned Do Not be Decieved, that there must first be a great falling away, we are to simply turn our backs and walk away, TRUSTING in Our Father and following the instructions that will be given at that time (like Hes gonna trust a human :D ) through Gods 2 witnesses, that Our Father promised would stand against this Abomination and affirmed through the lips of Christ.

So brother; don't take the insults so personally, as in reality their only insulting themselves anyways :D:D

Forever in Christ :)
 
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During the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple in 70AD was when Jesus came in the clouds, as he prophesied. The Jewish nation was effectively destroyed at that point. At that time, many of the Jews were grossly immoral and behaved as though they were demon-possessed, as writers of the time testify. God let the Romans destroy their temple because it was no longer needed. I think that was a clear sign that God was done with the Jewish nation; there was no longer a need for a sacrifice for sin. They had fulfilled their role as the witness of God's mysteries until the coming of Jesus; after that time, the Christian church carries that role. We, the Christian church, are the New Jerusalem.
 
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Good evening, Lets use God's word and answer the question at hand. Please see Gen. 17: 1-9

1And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I [am] the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
9And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.

The EVERLASTING covenant is key because God said it would be everlasting.

Please see Gen 17: 13-22
13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah [shall] her name [be].
16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be [a mother] of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall [a child] be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?
18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!
19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, [and] with his seed after him.
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
21But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
22And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

Yes, Sin did come in and caused God to punish Abraham's seed, But the Everlasting Covenant was NEVER removed.

God spoke to Abram, For his name was not yet changed, in Gen 12: 1-3

Abraham Goes to the Land of Canaan
Genesis 12


1Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

















If God call for a blessing or a curse , What are we missing as Christians and not showing support for the APPLE of God's eye?

Now if you chose to not support Israel, Thats your call and may God be with you. God tells me not to judge so ill listen as best as I can.




 
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[QUOTEDuring the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple in 70AD was when Jesus came in the clouds, as he prophesied. The Jewish nation was effectively destroyed at that point. At that time, many of the Jews were grossly immoral and behaved as though they were demon-possessed, as writers of the time testify. God let the Romans destroy their temple because it was no longer needed. I think that was a clear sign that God was done with the Jewish nation; there was no longer a need for a sacrifice for sin. They had fulfilled their role as the witness of God's mysteries until the coming of Jesus; after that time, the Christian church carries that role. We, the Christian church, are the New Jerusalem][/QUOTE]

Distantshores, I'm sorry but you couldn't be more wrong. Shalom
 
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During the siege of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple in 70AD was when Jesus came in the clouds, as he prophesied. The Jewish nation was effectively destroyed at that point. At that time, many of the Jews were grossly immoral and behaved as though they were demon-possessed, as writers of the time testify. God let the Romans destroy their temple because it was no longer needed. I think that was a clear sign that God was done with the Jewish nation; there was no longer a need for a sacrifice for sin. They had fulfilled their role as the witness of God's mysteries until the coming of Jesus; after that time, the Christian church carries that role. We, the Christian church, are the New Jerusalem.
John CH:4 Ver.22; Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

Thats right off the lips of Christ :eek: good thing sin in ignorance is no sin.

The one i like better myself, though more for religious christans than Jews is; Though Judah be twice the whore as Israel; salvation shall be of the Jews.

And there are other places also, but whats the use when people don't appear to comprehend what they read.

Forever in Christ :)
 
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Distanceshores, Hello, I'm wondering are you saying Jesus came back in 70 AD at the time Rome destroyed Jerusalem? If so , Can you please show your claim with scripture as to God no longer claims Israel or the Jews as His people.
Thanks, God Bless
 
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The definition of being a Christian is accepting that no one goes to the Father except through Jesus Christ. If you reject Jesus Christ then you will go to hell.

By the proper and traditional theology of Christianity, modern day people who follow the Jewish religion and reject Jesus are damned and going to hell.

Any other understanding in the Christian context is a Right Wing American Zionist invention.

This Theology is not even debatable.
 
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contrast the commandment verses images of national Israel....

Zechariah 8
16 These are the things you shall do:
Speak each man the truth to his neighbor;
Give judgment in your gates for truth, justice, and peace;
17 Let none of you think evil in your[a] heart against your neighbor;

And do not love a false oath.


For all these are things that I hate,’
Says the LORD.
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GOD protected Israel through the power of prayer with a host of angels.

what is a "secular Jew"?

Jesus said to bless your enemy, bless do not curse and that Vengeance is God's....I do not understand how you consider a secular nation that claims the name Israel but have broken so many of God's rules (intermarrying, 10 commandments and Jesus 2 summarizations: through idolizing the world, money, etc and not loving one another as Jesus loved the world, REJECTING JESUS AS MESSIAH!)

I believe God will save whom He wills but if you are waiting for the two witnesses before you believe in Jesus, then you may be counted among the seven thousand people killed when the earthquake destroys a tenth of the city. It says they gave glory to God but does not say they accept the testimony of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. then it goes to talk about Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet....Sorry don't see NATIONAL Israel in God's plan, only the saints God seals both Jew and Gentile. Unless it has to do with 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Then yes secular, national Israel is very KEY in playing out God's plan and Christian Zionist make all the sense in the world.

Revelation 11
10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.


Luke 13:27-29 (New King James Version)

27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God.


Salvation is through CHRIST alone. JESUS CHRIST was "of the Jews" and THROUGH Him salvations comes. not through a nation or through support of a nation but through standing in faith to Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I do not say this in "arrogance" but in Faith in Jesus words and firm conviction that Jesus is the Way the Truth and the LIGHT

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.



grafted branch or "natural" branch it does not matter if any produce no or corrupt fruit then God will cut them off and cast them into the fire for God is a just and righteous God.
 
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god will never leave isreal behind maybe obama but he don-t speak for the rest of us
 
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AnandaHya, there's no arguement on the fact that Yeshua came to save ANYONE willing to receive Him as there Saviour. But that is not what this thread is about. Shalom
i have and it explains nothing. do you include secular Jews when you say Israel? Do you include Jews in the diaspora? Do you include Hitler who has Jewish blood?

Who do you consider to be Israel?

The verse tell us what GOD thinks and these expand upon it but you seem to disagree and I would like to know what YOU think.

John 8:37-48 (New King James Version)

Abraham’s Seed and Satan’s


37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with[a] your father.
39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.”
Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 You do the deeds of your father.”
Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father—God.”
42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”


Explain then if you can what YOU mean when you say "Israel" who do you include in that term? Is it national Israel as the WORLD sees it or is it Spiritual Israel (made up of both Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior) as GOD sees it?

Who is your father?
 
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The definition of being a Christian is accepting that no one goes to the Father except through Jesus Christ. If you reject Jesus Christ then you will go to hell.

By the proper and traditional theology of Christianity, modern day people who follow the Jewish religion and reject Jesus are damned and going to hell.

Any other understanding in the Christian context is a Right Wing American Zionist invention.

This Theology is not even debatable.
you right we should just do as the Archangel Michael did when Satan approached him and say

THE LORD REBUKE YOU!


Jude 1:8-10 (New King James Version)

8 Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, and speak evil of dignitaries. 9 Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” 10 But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves.
 
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well it all begins with killing the norms and the holy swine will reign i learned it from the church of hypocrcy