should women submit totaly to their husbands
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fat chance...anyways....to the point, i totally agree with what thereishope said. My first priority is God, doesnt the bible teach us to love and obey God above all else? I mean think about it, how are we going to know what real love is until God shows us? How are we gonna know how were posed to love our husbands if we cant love ourselves? I would find it hard to obey scott if I first didnt understand how to properly love him as God instructs me to, let alone obey him, and as far as the skillet goes, God does say turn the other cheek, he dont say lay down and let em beat ya to death......hahahah, so ill keep a close eyeball on the ol skillet. BTW...did a big huge study on the word obey once, youd be amazed what ya learn.
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Not my word, sisters.......it's here:
Titus 2: obedient to their own husbands
1 Peter 3: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham
Sorry, just using Bible words. Some don't like the word "submit" either (some deplore it)
anyway I didn't make the thread some other man made it
Titus 2: obedient to their own husbands
1 Peter 3: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham
Sorry, just using Bible words. Some don't like the word "submit" either (some deplore it)
anyway I didn't make the thread some other man made it
im just one of 'those women' that hey i know what it says, and i agree, i mean i hafta its the word, BUT dont mean i like it lol no disrespect intended at all.... and Lori plz do tell me about this obey study u did
NaaaaaaaW,I was just getin on the anti women band wagon......hahahaahaha,
BTW I love I mean honestly love the book of Esther,She was sooooo humble and yet powerful at the sametime.
Oh yeah theeres a little blerb in the end of proverbs for you women.If you aint ever read it you should,really encouraging.
I feel that we all have rolls in the house as a whole ,and if one is slackin the other has to pick it up ya know?To me theres something to be said for a woman that contenually prays and asks for prayer for her unbelieving husband,and likewise a praying husband.
The bible is clear on the rolls of men and womens rolls,And I agree with them,
I have no beef with Gods word,But I do have beef with twisting scriptures tho.Not walking in peace with those you serve God alongside,But rather like pointing out others faults to cover your own.
The book of esther throws a good piece in for those guys that do that aswell.
A good read,I strongly suggest it.For men And women alike.
BTW I love I mean honestly love the book of Esther,She was sooooo humble and yet powerful at the sametime.
Oh yeah theeres a little blerb in the end of proverbs for you women.If you aint ever read it you should,really encouraging.
I feel that we all have rolls in the house as a whole ,and if one is slackin the other has to pick it up ya know?To me theres something to be said for a woman that contenually prays and asks for prayer for her unbelieving husband,and likewise a praying husband.
The bible is clear on the rolls of men and womens rolls,And I agree with them,
I have no beef with Gods word,But I do have beef with twisting scriptures tho.Not walking in peace with those you serve God alongside,But rather like pointing out others faults to cover your own.
The book of esther throws a good piece in for those guys that do that aswell.
A good read,I strongly suggest it.For men And women alike.
Yes they should be 100% submissive to their husbands. Its in the Bible. I was married before and i know from experience that if she is not totally submission, then she'll think she can do whatever she wants and is more likely to cheat. The same is true for husbands. Husbands, love you wife as Christ loved the church.
i think at the very least, if you want to be married than you should take your spouses feelings and wishes into consideration. Ill use my previous experience to illiustrate what im trying to say... When i didn't want my wife to sleep next door at the my best friends house, she replied, "Its my life, ill do whatever i want!"
I believe and always have that if you want to get married, then you are no longer your own person, but are joined with someone else's life and become one with them. Unfortantly there are people that abuse the "submit" part of marriage by demanding everything done a certin way and if its not done that "certian" way then they become abusive.
If everyone just followed scripture and lived they way God wants us to then we wouldnt have all the problems we have today.
I believe and always have that if you want to get married, then you are no longer your own person, but are joined with someone else's life and become one with them. Unfortantly there are people that abuse the "submit" part of marriage by demanding everything done a certin way and if its not done that "certian" way then they become abusive.
If everyone just followed scripture and lived they way God wants us to then we wouldnt have all the problems we have today.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That right there is the key!!!!!!!!!
If you are joined to a person you ARE that person!
you dont want someone tellin you that the sock drawer is sposed to be in long folds and alfabetical order and quoting bible verses to you to back up their abuse!
Sometimes when you get home from work and are tired ,Do you feel like washing dishes cooking,then Washing dishes again?
Id say neither does your other half!
I feel its all give and take,here a little and there a little.
But all too often it turns one sided,Mostly toward the mens side,and "We got bible to back it up!"excuses to why were bein a jerk.
Submit Woman! and git in that kitchen and git me sumpn to eat!
Round here youre liable to get a knuckle samich fo supper.And wear cartoon knots to work for your trouble.hahahahahaaha.J/K
But then there are the ones that swing to the extreme left aswell ,toward the womens side, and they have this "princess " View of marriage, where they lay in a chase lounge eatin grapes all day and their poor husband does all the work.
I think the bible teaches Balance and order to everything.
To me thats total peace.
In my reading of the scriptures I see an order and a balance to them,they all relate to eachother in perfect harmony OT and NT alike,each one witnessing to the other.
Marriage is sposed to be like that too.
As a matter of fact do a study on covenants and how they are plated out,see if that dont sound to you like a marriage,
That right there is the key!!!!!!!!!
If you are joined to a person you ARE that person!
you dont want someone tellin you that the sock drawer is sposed to be in long folds and alfabetical order and quoting bible verses to you to back up their abuse!
Sometimes when you get home from work and are tired ,Do you feel like washing dishes cooking,then Washing dishes again?
Id say neither does your other half!
I feel its all give and take,here a little and there a little.
But all too often it turns one sided,Mostly toward the mens side,and "We got bible to back it up!"excuses to why were bein a jerk.
Submit Woman! and git in that kitchen and git me sumpn to eat!
Round here youre liable to get a knuckle samich fo supper.And wear cartoon knots to work for your trouble.hahahahahaaha.J/K
But then there are the ones that swing to the extreme left aswell ,toward the womens side, and they have this "princess " View of marriage, where they lay in a chase lounge eatin grapes all day and their poor husband does all the work.
I think the bible teaches Balance and order to everything.
To me thats total peace.
In my reading of the scriptures I see an order and a balance to them,they all relate to eachother in perfect harmony OT and NT alike,each one witnessing to the other.
Marriage is sposed to be like that too.
As a matter of fact do a study on covenants and how they are plated out,see if that dont sound to you like a marriage,
No one has mentioned yet the fact that the woman being in submission is her punishment. (Gen 3:16).
Don't just blindly read and follow the scriptures "submit to your husband" without realising the purpose and reason for it.
Is being in submission supposed to be pleasant? No!. The wife is supposed to grit her teeth and curse Eve for taking that apple.
So if she is submitting to the husband and enjoying it, she isn't doing it properly. Just kidding.
Not every couple wants to live by this "punishment" though, I know some couples work perfectly fine with both submitting to one another.
But even though in Christ there is no male or female, the duties and role of man and woman since the fall, should probably be carried out, since marriage is an earthly institution, there is no marriage in heaven. In heaven the woman won't be submitting to the husband, in fact she won't even have a husband.
I sometimes wonder what would it have been like if Adam was the first to take the fruit, then it would be the husband needing to submit to the wife!
Don't just blindly read and follow the scriptures "submit to your husband" without realising the purpose and reason for it.
Is being in submission supposed to be pleasant? No!. The wife is supposed to grit her teeth and curse Eve for taking that apple.
So if she is submitting to the husband and enjoying it, she isn't doing it properly. Just kidding.
Not every couple wants to live by this "punishment" though, I know some couples work perfectly fine with both submitting to one another.
But even though in Christ there is no male or female, the duties and role of man and woman since the fall, should probably be carried out, since marriage is an earthly institution, there is no marriage in heaven. In heaven the woman won't be submitting to the husband, in fact she won't even have a husband.
I sometimes wonder what would it have been like if Adam was the first to take the fruit, then it would be the husband needing to submit to the wife!
Also we can't forget that the bible is a really old book. Take a look at the Taliban and how the women are treated. That's how women were pretty much treated in bible times, imagine that.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/cfe_bibl.htm
Women in ancient Israel:
Women's status and freedoms were severely limited by Jewish law and custom in ancient Israel. Generally speaking:
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]they were restricted to roles of little or no authority,[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]they were largely confined to their father's or husband's home,[/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]they were considered to be inferior to men, and under the authority of men -- either their father before marriage, or their husband afterwards.[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]
From the Second Temple period, women were not allowed to testify in court trials. They could not go out in public, or talk to strangers. When outside of their homes, they were to be doubly veiled. "They had become second-class Jews, excluded from the worship and teaching of God, with status scarcely above that of slaves." 1 Their position in society was defined in the Hebrew Scriptures and in the interpretation of those scriptures. Their status was not unlike that of women in Afghanistan during the recent Taliban dictatorship. More details.
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http://www.religioustolerance.org/cfe_bibl.htm
Women in ancient Israel:
Women's status and freedoms were severely limited by Jewish law and custom in ancient Israel. Generally speaking:
From the Second Temple period, women were not allowed to testify in court trials. They could not go out in public, or talk to strangers. When outside of their homes, they were to be doubly veiled. "They had become second-class Jews, excluded from the worship and teaching of God, with status scarcely above that of slaves." 1 Their position in society was defined in the Hebrew Scriptures and in the interpretation of those scriptures. Their status was not unlike that of women in Afghanistan during the recent Taliban dictatorship. More details.
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Of course that was ancient Israel, since Christ the church gave women much greater status and role as compared to Judaism. I think the modern day movements of "women's rights" and such, in the workplace, in the home, in churches, are far more in line with Christ's treatment of women than ancient Israel. Christ treated men and women with greater equality. And in our modern day societies, I would suggest that most women today in a good healthy relationship with their husband do not truly know the meaning of "submit to your husband" in the sense that the women in the Taliban do.
We also need to realise that the apostles, in particular Paul , with his background and status in Judaism, originally would have viewed women as second class citizens. He would have had his own personal revelation from Christ about the greater equality between men and women, as compared to his Jewish counterparts or his former lifestyle as a Jew. So christian men can either treat their wives according to the original definition of submission, aka, Taliban-style, or they can allow them greater equality. The word submission then in the new testament and to the Christian, doesn't mean a Taliban-style submission "do as I say", but more a submission in love and obedience to the husband, both recognising that they come under the Headship of Christ. Thanks to women's rights in our western countries, most women do this OK already I think. Submit to the husband without it being a Taliban-style submittion, and at times the husband also needs to submit to the wife in "submit to one another", which is gender neutral.
This is a very interesting read.
http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Women_Biblical_Times.html
According to Jewish rabbis, women were either incapable or inferior to the process of studying to learn. The Jewish law code known as the Mishnah remarks: "may the words of Torah be burned [first five books of what we know to be the Bible], than that they should be handed over to women" (Sota, 10a), and, "whoever teaches his daughter Torah teaches her obscenity" (Sota, 21).[1] The Gospels, however, record Jesus overturning this type of ideology. Jesus not only taught women, but, he even went so far as to commend a particular women for her learning over and against her sister who was carrying out traditional tasks (Lk 10:38-42). It is by that attitude, that, Jesus not only caused a stir outside of His circle, but, He also caused a stir within.
For instance, the writer of John hints at a moment of astonishment among Jesus’ disciples as they caught a glimpse of him interacting with a Samaritan woman of foreign origin. To Jesus’ own disciples, this interaction proved perplexing. Why? Because such interaction just didn’t happen. The writer of John notes, that, "they were surprised to see him talking to a woman;" yet, "not one of them [his disciples] said to him, What is your purpose? or, Why are you talking to her?" (John 4:27, tr. BBE). While Jesus’ disciples were marveling over what they saw, they missed the fact, that, to this woman, Jesus had just made his most explicit affirmation that he was the Messiah (See: Jn. 4:1-42).
Moreover, the Gospels as a whole present Jesus as a revolutionary. Jesus not only thought of women as being equal in rank with men as daughters of Abraham (Lk. 13: 10-17), but, He openly ministered to them as "children of wisdom" (Lk. 7:35-50) who deserve respect (Mt. 5:28). Jesus even went so far as to ignore all strictures of impurity prevalent at that time in order to heal a woman who had been hemorrhaging for twelve years (Mk. 5:25). Some women, who were healed, even became apart of His inner circle of disciples (Lk. 8:1-3). Unsurprisingly, in Jesus’ final hours, it was to the "daughters of Jerusalem" (Luke 23:27-28) that He turned and spoke to while making his way to the place called "The Skull" (Lat. Calvarius). While there are certainly other positive examples that could be brought to light, what can be gleaned from this overview, is, Jesus’ sensitivity toward women in era of insensitivity.
This is a very interesting read.
http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/Women_Biblical_Times.html
According to Jewish rabbis, women were either incapable or inferior to the process of studying to learn. The Jewish law code known as the Mishnah remarks: "may the words of Torah be burned [first five books of what we know to be the Bible], than that they should be handed over to women" (Sota, 10a), and, "whoever teaches his daughter Torah teaches her obscenity" (Sota, 21).[1] The Gospels, however, record Jesus overturning this type of ideology. Jesus not only taught women, but, he even went so far as to commend a particular women for her learning over and against her sister who was carrying out traditional tasks (Lk 10:38-42). It is by that attitude, that, Jesus not only caused a stir outside of His circle, but, He also caused a stir within.
For instance, the writer of John hints at a moment of astonishment among Jesus’ disciples as they caught a glimpse of him interacting with a Samaritan woman of foreign origin. To Jesus’ own disciples, this interaction proved perplexing. Why? Because such interaction just didn’t happen. The writer of John notes, that, "they were surprised to see him talking to a woman;" yet, "not one of them [his disciples] said to him, What is your purpose? or, Why are you talking to her?" (John 4:27, tr. BBE). While Jesus’ disciples were marveling over what they saw, they missed the fact, that, to this woman, Jesus had just made his most explicit affirmation that he was the Messiah (See: Jn. 4:1-42).
Moreover, the Gospels as a whole present Jesus as a revolutionary. Jesus not only thought of women as being equal in rank with men as daughters of Abraham (Lk. 13: 10-17), but, He openly ministered to them as "children of wisdom" (Lk. 7:35-50) who deserve respect (Mt. 5:28). Jesus even went so far as to ignore all strictures of impurity prevalent at that time in order to heal a woman who had been hemorrhaging for twelve years (Mk. 5:25). Some women, who were healed, even became apart of His inner circle of disciples (Lk. 8:1-3). Unsurprisingly, in Jesus’ final hours, it was to the "daughters of Jerusalem" (Luke 23:27-28) that He turned and spoke to while making his way to the place called "The Skull" (Lat. Calvarius). While there are certainly other positive examples that could be brought to light, what can be gleaned from this overview, is, Jesus’ sensitivity toward women in era of insensitivity.
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