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Scripture is neither Lutheran, nor Presbyterian, nor anything else

that does not agree with Scripture. Not everything true comes

from Scripture alone, but everything that truly comes from

Scripture is true, is the truth.

Does the Filioque dogma, the belief that the Holy Spirit

proceedeth from the Father "AND THE SON" (FILIOQUE), agree

with Scripture? No.

After I learned John 15:26, I could not feel good about

attending Lutheran or Presbyterian services. I had sometimes

attended Lutheran and Presbyterian services, and Pentecostal

and Methodist services. I have also been in Roman Catholic

services. The last church I attended was Russian Orthodox.

There is a big difference between the belief of the Russian

Orthodox Church, and the Roman Catholics, Presbyterians, and

Lutherans.

What do Presbyterians believe?

See the Westminster Confession of Faith (WCF) of 1647 AD,

Chapter II, OF GOD AND OF THE HOLY TRINITY, Section III

-- In the unity of the Godhead there be three persons, of one

substance, power and eternity: God the Father, God the Son,

and God the Holy Ghost. (1) The Father is of none, neither

begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the

Father; (2) the Holy Ghost eternally proceeding from the Father

and the Son." (3)

1. 1 John 5:7; Matthew 3:17; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians

13:14; 2. John 14:18; 3. John 15:26; Galatians 4:6.

[cf. Clark, Gordon H. (1965). What Do PRESBYTERIANS

Believe? The Westminster Confession: Yesterday and Today.

Philadelphia, PA: The Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing

Co.; cf. pp. 31-32, q.v.].

Note: The Holy Spirit should not be called "the Holy Ghost"

(sic). A ghost is the spirit of a dead man, and the Holy Spirit is

definitely not that. Also, Galatians 4:6 does not say or prove

that the "Spirit of the Son" proceeds "from" the Son. The Holy

Spirit is the Spirit of the Father and of the Son, but does not

proceed from both the Father and the Son. John 15:26

definitely proves the WCF (Westminster Confession of Faith) of

1647 AD to be heretical, when it says "the Holy Ghost (sic)

eternally proceeding from the Father and the Son." John 15:26

says the Spirit of truth proceedeth from the Father alone.

Every time I am at a Russian Orthodox Church, I hear them say

"who proceedeth from the Father". That is something I can't

hear at a Presbyterian service, although some Presbyterians may

choose to say it that way. Take care.

God bless you.

PS Why does it matter? Because Scripture matters, and

Scripture is the Word of God. We should believe what the Word

of God says, no matter how unpopular or how uncommon it is

said or believed or confessed, or no matter what Saint

Augustine of Hippo taught. Augustine can be wrong; Scripture

cannot be wrong. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

PPS I am going to say have a great summer. I feel a need to

just get back to Church and stop posting for a while. I may

return at any time, but I am planning on taking a break from

quoting any books for you. I pray that God bless you and

show you the meaning of John 15:26 and other Scriptures. I

pray that God save us all. In whatever denomination we

attend. Because of John 15:26, I can no longer feel

comfortable in a Lutheran, Roman Catholic, or Presbyterian

service. And I don't believe in papal infallibility, so, as much as

I admire many things about Roman Catholicism, for Rome was

in the truth for many many centuries before things went bad

with some of the popes of Rome, I still believe in and admire

the Orthodox popes of Rome like Pope St. Gregory the Great

and Pope St. Leo III. God save us all and bless us and have

mercy on us in the shed blood of Jesus Christ our LORD. Amen

and Amen. Have a great summer. Goodbye for now. I mean

no offense to any of you by pointing out Scripture: there is

good in the Presbyterians and Lutherans, too. I just disagree

with them because of John 15:26, and they are just overlooking

this verse of the Bible. God bless them.