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jonathanbchristian

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We know the Apostles never backslid or quit Jesus! Judas was replaced! 12 Apostles names are written on the foundation of New Jerusalem in Revelation! We can be sure that God trusted in these Apostles! The Apostles are more than prophets of the Old Testament. They are listed above prophets in the Scriptures. "They have Moses and the prophets." The whole Bible is based on scripture that men of God wrote. If you don't believe the Bible you really have no one Christian to talk to.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
We know the Apostles never backslid or quit Jesus! Judas was replaced! 12 Apostles names are written on the foundation of New Jerusalem in Revelation! We can be sure that God trusted in these Apostles! The Apostles are more than prophets of the Old Testament. They are listed above prophets in the Scriptures. "They have Moses and the prophets." The whole Bible is based on scripture that men of God wrote. If you don't believe the Bible you really have no one Christian to talk to.
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It is a sin to worship the Apostles.
 
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No one worshiped the Apostles. To God be the glory! You just don't believe them. You wouldn't even be close to worshiping someone to agree with them.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
No one worshiped the Apostles. To God be the glory! You just don't believe them. You wouldn't even be close to worshiping someone to agree with them.
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I believe God and Jesus, who I believe is God in flesh.

I believe the Apostles had much to teach us, but I think they were not right one hundred percent of the time. I think the Lord thought we would understand this. The Apostles were only human. Why should we believe they were always right?
 
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Tell me what they wrote wrong in the Bible? I don't think anyone would agree with you!
 
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resurrection33 said:
I believe God and Jesus, who I believe is God in flesh.

I believe the Apostles had much to teach us, but I think they were not right one hundred percent of the time. I think the Lord thought we would understand this. The Apostles were only human. Why should we believe they were always right?
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The apostles were human, they were not right 100% of the time. That is true.

BUT, when the ones who wrote parts of the bible were writing, as God was inspiring them to write, they produced God's Word, which as they wrote it, was inerrant, and without which we cannot know God.
 
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shroom2 said:
The apostles were human, they were not right 100% of the time. That is true.

BUT, when the ones who wrote parts of the bible were writing, as God was inspiring them to write, they produced God's Word, which as they wrote it, was inerrant, and without which we cannot know God.
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I disagree. Jesus told us to be just. Paul says women shouldn’t be allowed to speak in church. I think he was being unjust.
 
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That's not unjust, and it says you shouldn't ask questions. Ask at home. That's what women are supposed to do. You could talk. You shouldn't ask questions during the teaching.
 
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Paul also said slaves should obey their masters. He was wrong again. As Christians, it is our responsibility to fight injustice, not bless it.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
That's not unjust, and it says you shouldn't ask questions. Ask at home. That's what women are supposed to do. You could talk. You shouldn't ask questions during the teaching.
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The Lord taught us to be humble. What is humble about men forcing women to be silent in church?
 
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Paul is Jewish! God allowed slavery in the Old Testament without Paul. It's not Paul who wrote the Old Testament Law. They did have a law about slavery. You should not judge Paul. People were slaves, Paul didn't create slavery, he helped people who were in slavery. At the time you might consider the Romans were in control of Jerusalem.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
That's not unjust, and it says you shouldn't ask questions. Ask at home. That's what women are supposed to do. You could talk. You shouldn't ask questions during the teaching.
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As far as I know, most Protestant churches allow women to preach.
 
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That's not unjust, and it says you shouldn't ask questions. Ask at home. That's what women are supposed to do. You could talk. You shouldn't ask questions during the teaching.
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I like humble pastors who aren’t under the delusion they understand everything.
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
Paul is Jewish! God allowed slavery in the Old Testament without Paul. It's not Paul who wrote the Old Testament Law. They did have a law about slavery. You should not judge Paul. People were slaves, Paul didn't create slavery, he helped people who were in slavery. At the time you might consider the Romans were in control of Jerusalem.
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He told the slaves to obey their masters. He seems to be blessing the institution, doesn’t he?
 
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I'm not sure you understand that it's the Bible you disagree with. Paul was helping those people. Wouldn't you tell someone in jail to try to get out on good behaviour, instead of fighting or trying to escape?
 
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LOL.

Res33, you are aware that culture was different during biblical times, right?
 
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jonathanbchristian said:
I'm not sure you understand that it's the Bible you disagree with. Paul was helping those people. Wouldn't you tell someone in jail to try to get out on good behaviour, instead of fighting or trying to escape?
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I don’t worship the Bible. I worship God the Father.
 
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