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like i said: why should he? any sermon wouldn't provide more scripture than you've had given to you since i got here. even if you listened to the entire Bible on audio you'd deny it.
and you keep asking the same fistful of questions over and over again.
you probably wouldn't listen to it anyways, and if you did you'd say the preacher was mean and arrogant and wrong.
search here: CHRISTIANS believe Jesus is God....they just do LBG. like it or lump it.
why do you hang out with Christians who believe Jesus is God if you hate the idea?
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and you keep asking the same fistful of questions over and over again.
you probably wouldn't listen to it anyways, and if you did you'd say the preacher was mean and arrogant and wrong.
search here: CHRISTIANS believe Jesus is God....they just do LBG. like it or lump it.
why do you hang out with Christians who believe Jesus is God if you hate the idea?
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I have no problem with my fellow Christians believing if they wish to that Christ is God Himself if:
They accept(as they do) that Jesus the son of God died for their sins
They do not go around telling people who simply believe Christ is the son of God and not God Himself they are condemned and heretics.
Unfotunately Zone we have a group of people on this website(five or six people come to mind) who lay their extra biblical demands on others for salvation and eternal life. It is obvious(to me anyway) why this is done, and I am sure to many others as well.
You lay great stress on your theologians and scholars, but the heart is more important than reading up on the pre trib rapture, cessationism, filique and Israel etc.
So did your scholars and theologians tell you to demand for a person to have eternal life what is not demanded in the Bible?
Did your scholars and theologians tell you it is alright to make continually untruthful comments concerning what others have written and what they believe?
Did your scholars and theologians tell you it is fine to be rude, sarcastic, unloving etc in remarks you make to others?
So one simple question
From where do you get your spiritual authority to demand what is not demanded in the Bible for a person to have eternal life?
Will you answer this? Or will you deflect, deflect, deflect, or ignore
They accept(as they do) that Jesus the son of God died for their sins
They do not go around telling people who simply believe Christ is the son of God and not God Himself they are condemned and heretics.
Unfotunately Zone we have a group of people on this website(five or six people come to mind) who lay their extra biblical demands on others for salvation and eternal life. It is obvious(to me anyway) why this is done, and I am sure to many others as well.
You lay great stress on your theologians and scholars, but the heart is more important than reading up on the pre trib rapture, cessationism, filique and Israel etc.
So did your scholars and theologians tell you to demand for a person to have eternal life what is not demanded in the Bible?
Did your scholars and theologians tell you it is alright to make continually untruthful comments concerning what others have written and what they believe?
Did your scholars and theologians tell you it is fine to be rude, sarcastic, unloving etc in remarks you make to others?
So one simple question
From where do you get your spiritual authority to demand what is not demanded in the Bible for a person to have eternal life?
Will you answer this? Or will you deflect, deflect, deflect, or ignore
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Hi LBG,
Why don't yoo look for yourself for a sermon, there are plenty of Baptist churches online. Plus, you only single out Baptists because I go to a Baptist Church..which really just shows your motives??
but since you won't stop harping on about it I will give you one (there are many if you look
)
What is the doctrine of the Trinity? - Desiring God (this is in written form about the trinity)
http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/sermons/jesus-is-the-christ-the-son-of-god (This is a video on the diety of Christ he is God)
Now, lets get to point of the issue you raise. You say that where does it say that you have to believve Jesus is God? Well, thats a bit of a stupid question really, because if you believe in someone you believe who they are. You have been given ample evidence from scripture by numerous people on here at CC. but the plain simple fact is you cannot see the truth. and therefore deny the truth!
A new christian does not need to know all the facts, it is at this point you confuse the argument, let me explain.
When a wealthy couple have a baby, the baby does not need to know at that stage that he will one day own the mansion and take over the family business, but the family nurture him over time into this.
Your problem is, that a) your still an infant or b) you are blind to God's truth.
If you believe in Jesus Christ you will come to believe all of what He said..including what He said about Himself. You unfortunatley do not!
Why don't yoo look for yourself for a sermon, there are plenty of Baptist churches online. Plus, you only single out Baptists because I go to a Baptist Church..which really just shows your motives??
but since you won't stop harping on about it I will give you one (there are many if you look
)What is the doctrine of the Trinity? - Desiring God (this is in written form about the trinity)
http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/sermons/jesus-is-the-christ-the-son-of-god (This is a video on the diety of Christ he is God)
Now, lets get to point of the issue you raise. You say that where does it say that you have to believve Jesus is God? Well, thats a bit of a stupid question really, because if you believe in someone you believe who they are. You have been given ample evidence from scripture by numerous people on here at CC. but the plain simple fact is you cannot see the truth. and therefore deny the truth!
A new christian does not need to know all the facts, it is at this point you confuse the argument, let me explain.
When a wealthy couple have a baby, the baby does not need to know at that stage that he will one day own the mansion and take over the family business, but the family nurture him over time into this.
Your problem is, that a) your still an infant or b) you are blind to God's truth.
If you believe in Jesus Christ you will come to believe all of what He said..including what He said about Himself. You unfortunatley do not!
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Hi LBG,
Why don't yoo look for yourself for a sermon, there are plenty of Baptist churches online. Plus, you only single out Baptists because I go to a Baptist Church..which really just shows your motives??
It is very reasonable to ask why your church does not proclaim from the pulpit what you proclaim on this website
If a person believes Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself they can have no eternal life.
And it is perfectly reasonable to point out that the two ministers of your denomination I have spoken to on this issue do not agree with what you continually state.
but since you won't stop harping on about it I will give you one (there are many if you look )
What is the doctrine of the Trinity? - Desiring God (this is in written form about the trinity)
Jesus Is the Christ the Son of God - Desiring God (This is a video on the diety of Christ he is God)
I have (sigh sigh) repeatedly asked you for one explicit thing as you know
Please give me a link to a sermon from a Baptist church in the UKwhere it is stated from the pulpit that if a person believes Jesius is the son of God but not God himself they are a heretic, condemned and can have no eternal life. The truth is you cannot nor will find a sermon from any mainline Baptist church in the UK that preaches the above from the pulpit, but you cannot simply be honest concerning this can you?
So you(as usual) ignore or try and deflect from the question asked. Why can you not just be HONEST and answer truthfully a straight forward question?
Now, lets
get to point of the issue you raise. You say that where does it say that you have to believve Jesus is God? Well, thats a bit of a stupid question really, because if you believe in someone you believe who they are. You have been given ample evidence from scripture by numerous people on here at CC. but the plain simple fact is you cannot see the truth. and therefore deny the truth!
Is it a stupid question? Really?
So according to you a belief that eternal liofe hinges on is not written in the NT and it is stupid to suggest it should be
On another post I asked you to answer the following questions, you havbe so far not answered them so I will try again here(as you state you always answer the questions I put to you)
Please provinde a verse of scripture where Christ commanded anyone to believe he was the one true God(not one where you infer that was meant)
Please provide one verse of scripture where Christ stated eternal life hinged on believing he was God Himself
Please give me one verse of scripture where any NT writer stated a person must believe Christ is the one true God Himself to have eternal life
Please give me one NT scripture where it is plainly written
Christ is God Himself
I think it is very fair to ask from where do you get your spiritual authority to demand a belief for salvation which is not demanded in the NT?
Will you answer that?
A new christian does not need to know all the facts, it is at this point you confuse the argument, let me explain.
When a wealthy couple have a baby, the baby does not need to know at that stage that he will one day own the mansion and take over the family business, but the family nurture him over time into this.
Your problem is, that a) your still an infant or b) you are blind to God's truth.
Really! So a new Christian does not need to understand on what eternal life hinges. Wow!
Can you give me a time scale for when it is important to accept the belief on which eternal life hinges? There must be(to you I guess) a time limit on the new Christian acceptinmg and understanding what you believe to be the core belief of the Christian faith.
If you believe in Jesus Christ you will come to believe all of what He said..including what He said about Himself. You unfortunatley do not!
Why don't yoo look for yourself for a sermon, there are plenty of Baptist churches online. Plus, you only single out Baptists because I go to a Baptist Church..which really just shows your motives??
It is very reasonable to ask why your church does not proclaim from the pulpit what you proclaim on this website
If a person believes Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself they can have no eternal life.
And it is perfectly reasonable to point out that the two ministers of your denomination I have spoken to on this issue do not agree with what you continually state.
but since you won't stop harping on about it I will give you one (there are many if you look
)What is the doctrine of the Trinity? - Desiring God (this is in written form about the trinity)
Jesus Is the Christ the Son of God - Desiring God (This is a video on the diety of Christ he is God)
I have (sigh sigh) repeatedly asked you for one explicit thing as you know
Please give me a link to a sermon from a Baptist church in the UKwhere it is stated from the pulpit that if a person believes Jesius is the son of God but not God himself they are a heretic, condemned and can have no eternal life. The truth is you cannot nor will find a sermon from any mainline Baptist church in the UK that preaches the above from the pulpit, but you cannot simply be honest concerning this can you?
So you(as usual) ignore or try and deflect from the question asked. Why can you not just be HONEST and answer truthfully a straight forward question?
Now, lets
get to point of the issue you raise. You say that where does it say that you have to believve Jesus is God? Well, thats a bit of a stupid question really, because if you believe in someone you believe who they are. You have been given ample evidence from scripture by numerous people on here at CC. but the plain simple fact is you cannot see the truth. and therefore deny the truth!
Is it a stupid question? Really?
So according to you a belief that eternal liofe hinges on is not written in the NT and it is stupid to suggest it should be
On another post I asked you to answer the following questions, you havbe so far not answered them so I will try again here(as you state you always answer the questions I put to you)
Please provinde a verse of scripture where Christ commanded anyone to believe he was the one true God(not one where you infer that was meant)
Please provide one verse of scripture where Christ stated eternal life hinged on believing he was God Himself
Please give me one verse of scripture where any NT writer stated a person must believe Christ is the one true God Himself to have eternal life
Please give me one NT scripture where it is plainly written
Christ is God Himself
I think it is very fair to ask from where do you get your spiritual authority to demand a belief for salvation which is not demanded in the NT?
Will you answer that?
A new christian does not need to know all the facts, it is at this point you confuse the argument, let me explain.
When a wealthy couple have a baby, the baby does not need to know at that stage that he will one day own the mansion and take over the family business, but the family nurture him over time into this.
Your problem is, that a) your still an infant or b) you are blind to God's truth.
Really! So a new Christian does not need to understand on what eternal life hinges. Wow!
Can you give me a time scale for when it is important to accept the belief on which eternal life hinges? There must be(to you I guess) a time limit on the new Christian acceptinmg and understanding what you believe to be the core belief of the Christian faith.
If you believe in Jesus Christ you will come to believe all of what He said..including what He said about Himself. You unfortunatley do not!
So I guess to you(with your belkief) the Bible hints at that which eternal life hinges on, but the plain statements that contradicty that in scripture must be put to one side
And that is mature Christianity Phil?
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Hi LBG,
Now you are becoming a joker. You ask for a sermon from a baptist church, so I give you not only a written one, but also a vide. then you come back and say that is not good enough you now want one from the UK.
You keep asking for proof from a baptist church about Christs diety..so I have now given you it, even though you could have got it very easily for yourself.
Now you keep asking the same old questions, that have been answered on numerous occasions. So LBG you either believe the truth of God, or you don't.
Now, I will ask you ..tell me where God say Christ is not God, or even better tell me where Jesus said he is not God?
Thank you.
Now you are becoming a joker. You ask for a sermon from a baptist church, so I give you not only a written one, but also a vide. then you come back and say that is not good enough you now want one from the UK.
You keep asking for proof from a baptist church about Christs diety..so I have now given you it, even though you could have got it very easily for yourself.
Now you keep asking the same old questions, that have been answered on numerous occasions. So LBG you either believe the truth of God, or you don't.
Now, I will ask you ..tell me where God say Christ is not God, or even better tell me where Jesus said he is not God?
Thank you.
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Hi LBG,
You keep asking for proof from a baptist church about Christs diety..so I have now given you it, even though you could have got it very easily for yourself.
I see we have no honesty here in your above answer, nor an acceptance of the truth
The question I havew repeatedly asked you(as all are aware) is
Can you give me a link to any main line Baptist church where it is preacherd from the pulpit
If a person believes Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself they are a heretic, condemned and can have no eternal life
You continually fudge and sidetrack the question. I would say that an honest answer would be the way a Christian should respond
So come on Phil, be honest. You CANNOT find any sermon where the above is stated from the pulpit in a mainline Baptist church in the UK, but you can not bring yourself to admit it. That is the truth as I am sure all who read these comments are well aware.
And the two ministers of YOUR denomination I have spoken to shook their head in bewilderment at your words and totally disagreed with them. So you are at loggerheads with I suggest most of the Baptist ministers in the UK. But they must be wrong and you coorrect, yes Phil?
Now you keep asking the same old questions, that have been answered on numerous occasions. So LBG you either believe the truth of God, or you don't.
Well on postr 100 in this thread you asked me a question which I answered in post 101. I then put some questions to you, WHICH I WOULD INVITE ANYONE READING OUR DEBATE TO CHECK ON
True to form you have answered none of them, just ignored and deflected from them as usual, whilst of course always claiming you thoroughly answer my question
Now, I will ask you ..tell me where God say Christ is not God, or even better tell me where Jesus said he is not God?
I have answered this already, you however have not answered my follow up questions. And yet you study much theology, I do not
BTW
I notice now you are dropping the word 'true' from your question I wonder why!!
Thank you.
You keep asking for proof from a baptist church about Christs diety..so I have now given you it, even though you could have got it very easily for yourself.
I see we have no honesty here in your above answer, nor an acceptance of the truth
The question I havew repeatedly asked you(as all are aware) is
Can you give me a link to any main line Baptist church where it is preacherd from the pulpit
If a person believes Jesus is the son of God but not God Himself they are a heretic, condemned and can have no eternal life
You continually fudge and sidetrack the question. I would say that an honest answer would be the way a Christian should respond
So come on Phil, be honest. You CANNOT find any sermon where the above is stated from the pulpit in a mainline Baptist church in the UK, but you can not bring yourself to admit it. That is the truth as I am sure all who read these comments are well aware.
And the two ministers of YOUR denomination I have spoken to shook their head in bewilderment at your words and totally disagreed with them. So you are at loggerheads with I suggest most of the Baptist ministers in the UK. But they must be wrong and you coorrect, yes Phil?
Now you keep asking the same old questions, that have been answered on numerous occasions. So LBG you either believe the truth of God, or you don't.
Well on postr 100 in this thread you asked me a question which I answered in post 101. I then put some questions to you, WHICH I WOULD INVITE ANYONE READING OUR DEBATE TO CHECK ON
True to form you have answered none of them, just ignored and deflected from them as usual, whilst of course always claiming you thoroughly answer my question
Now, I will ask you ..tell me where God say Christ is not God, or even better tell me where Jesus said he is not God?
I have answered this already, you however have not answered my follow up questions. And yet you study much theology, I do not
BTW
I notice now you are dropping the word 'true' from your question
I wonder why!!Thank you.
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Well that sums it up very well does it not Phil.
You (AS USUAL) completely ignore everything I put to you(as any honest person will note) and try and make it look as if I am not answernig your questions
On post 100 you asked me where Jesus claimed not to be the one true God
I answered you, then you refuse to answer my follow up questions.
But I am not suprised. A conversation with you always ends this way.
You (along with four or five others) continue to make your extra biblical demands concerning what a person must believe to inherit eternal life. And anyone who will not accept what you say is:
a heretic, condemned, possessed by the spirit of antichrist, an idolator etc etc etc. Therse are the comments of you and and your colleagues who in your hearts consider you know much 'theology'
I am afraid 'head theology' is useless. It is what is in the heart that matters not the head
And you and your colleagues continually duck questions put to you while stressing you always answer them
You think nothing of being untruthful concerning what a person believes who disagrees with you, and slanting their words to mean something you know they do not mean
And you and your colleagues will mock, sneer, deride others, be rude to them and continually point the finger at them and tell them they are condemned for not believing your extra Biblical demands for salvation, then you profess and speak of love, humility, and grace. Shame on you.
Do yoiur theologians not tell you how you should act in your heart?
There are some wonderful and mature Christians on this website, but you five or six who condemn as you do are not some of them. You portray a proud, Phariseeical attitude, believing you know much, whilst in effect showing you understand little
And I do not profess to be a greatly mature Christian BTW.
One final thought
Do not go beyond what is written
1 Cor 4:6
You (AS USUAL) completely ignore everything I put to you(as any honest person will note) and try and make it look as if I am not answernig your questions
On post 100 you asked me where Jesus claimed not to be the one true God
I answered you, then you refuse to answer my follow up questions.
But I am not suprised. A conversation with you always ends this way.
You (along with four or five others) continue to make your extra biblical demands concerning what a person must believe to inherit eternal life. And anyone who will not accept what you say is:
a heretic, condemned, possessed by the spirit of antichrist, an idolator etc etc etc. Therse are the comments of you and and your colleagues who in your hearts consider you know much 'theology'
I am afraid 'head theology' is useless. It is what is in the heart that matters not the head
And you and your colleagues continually duck questions put to you while stressing you always answer them
You think nothing of being untruthful concerning what a person believes who disagrees with you, and slanting their words to mean something you know they do not mean
And you and your colleagues will mock, sneer, deride others, be rude to them and continually point the finger at them and tell them they are condemned for not believing your extra Biblical demands for salvation, then you profess and speak of love, humility, and grace. Shame on you.
Do yoiur theologians not tell you how you should act in your heart?
There are some wonderful and mature Christians on this website, but you five or six who condemn as you do are not some of them. You portray a proud, Phariseeical attitude, believing you know much, whilst in effect showing you understand little
And I do not profess to be a greatly mature Christian BTW.
One final thought
Do not go beyond what is written
1 Cor 4:6
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How can you call yourself a prophet? this is a genuine question not a negative question. have you been tested according to the Bible? One such test is found in Isaiah 8:20 Do you think you are a prophet because you think you heard God speak to you? have you tested that voice? have you made any predictions that have not come true? Whatever we do must match up to the Bible even if we see an angel but if it does not match up then it is not from God. Cause the Bible says that there will be false prophets, how do you know that you are not deceived?
Hi LBG,
All you have done is ramble on about how some don't agree with. Some may that is up to them. The problem is you claim to have been a christian for a very long time so your belief is not like a new born infant you are like a defiant mule who will believe the truth, and that truth is Jesus Christ is God!
You can say I have a 'Phariseeical attitude' all you want, but remmeber it is you who like the pharisees and scribes of the Law, say that Jesus is blaspheming because he equates himself with the Fathe. He and the Father are one, while the Father works I also work, before Abraham was, I AM. these a very plain statements indeed, they were said to a jewish audience who knew exactly what they meant. However, you deny Christs very nature after claiming to be saved for a very very long time and therefore you have no excuse before God.
My sincerest hope is that God may open your heart to the truth of the Gospel.
All you have done is ramble on about how some don't agree with. Some may that is up to them. The problem is you claim to have been a christian for a very long time so your belief is not like a new born infant you are like a defiant mule who will believe the truth, and that truth is Jesus Christ is God!
You can say I have a 'Phariseeical attitude' all you want, but remmeber it is you who like the pharisees and scribes of the Law, say that Jesus is blaspheming because he equates himself with the Fathe. He and the Father are one, while the Father works I also work, before Abraham was, I AM. these a very plain statements indeed, they were said to a jewish audience who knew exactly what they meant. However, you deny Christs very nature after claiming to be saved for a very very long time and therefore you have no excuse before God.
My sincerest hope is that God may open your heart to the truth of the Gospel.
Hi LBG,
I could quite easily say that I spoke to Baptist minister and he told me that if you believe Jesus is not God, you do not have the Son, therefore you do not have eternal life 1 John 5:11-12. we can easlily say things on the internet.
I would agree that you need a belief in Jesus, but then don't the demons?
What is it that sets the belief of Christians about Christ from the rest of the world?
You see what you really do is take a part of truth and twist it so that you can follow your own belief in who God is, as I have said already that is Idolatry, you make your own God!
LBG I have answered your questions quite a few times as have others infact just go on to the main board and you can the wonderfull truth that Jesus is infact one with the Fathe...God.
Now you asked for proof from a Baptist Church..I gave you that, then you change the goal posts..it had to be someone in the UK.. So its hard to answer when you keep changing.
Now as in the post well above.. answer this.
Where does Jesus say Himself He is not God.
Since wakeup agrees with you maube he can answer aswell
I could quite easily say that I spoke to Baptist minister and he told me that if you believe Jesus is not God, you do not have the Son, therefore you do not have eternal life 1 John 5:11-12. we can easlily say things on the internet.
I would agree that you need a belief in Jesus, but then don't the demons?
What is it that sets the belief of Christians about Christ from the rest of the world?
You see what you really do is take a part of truth and twist it so that you can follow your own belief in who God is, as I have said already that is Idolatry, you make your own God!
LBG I have answered your questions quite a few times as have others infact just go on to the main board and you can the wonderfull truth that Jesus is infact one with the Fathe...God.
Now you asked for proof from a Baptist Church..I gave you that, then you change the goal posts..it had to be someone in the UK.. So its hard to answer when you keep changing.
Now as in the post well above.. answer this.
Where does Jesus say Himself He is not God.
Since wakeup agrees with you maube he can answer aswell
More untruthful comments as you CONTINUALLY refuse to answer the questions put before you
The Gospel is what is written in the Bible, not the interpretation man puts on it in whom you blindly follow
Christ continuously and plainly made clear the neccesasaary belief in him for a person to have eternal life, you do not accept it but add to it. So you do not believe in an inerrant Bible nor will you accept the plain words of Chrfist
No wonder so many churches are weak and impotent today. They are led by some who put mans theologies before the Holy Scriptures.
The Holy Spirit would NEVER contradict the plain and continuous words of Chjrisat as to the belief a person must have concerning himself to inherit eternal life. So anyone who will not accept Jesus wordsw but adds to them is speaking for themselves
He who speaks on his own does so to gain honour for himself
But he who seeks the honour of the one who sent him is a man of truth and there is nothing false abnout him
John 7:18&19
So, do you and your colleagues in the regaqrd we are discussing seek in yoiur hearts on cc honour for yourselves or God? The above verses give us the answer
The Gospel is what is written in the Bible, not the interpretation man puts on it in whom you blindly follow
Christ continuously and plainly made clear the neccesasaary belief in him for a person to have eternal life, you do not accept it but add to it. So you do not believe in an inerrant Bible nor will you accept the plain words of Chrfist
No wonder so many churches are weak and impotent today. They are led by some who put mans theologies before the Holy Scriptures.
The Holy Spirit would NEVER contradict the plain and continuous words of Chjrisat as to the belief a person must have concerning himself to inherit eternal life. So anyone who will not accept Jesus wordsw but adds to them is speaking for themselves
He who speaks on his own does so to gain honour for himself
But he who seeks the honour of the one who sent him is a man of truth and there is nothing false abnout him
John 7:18&19
So, do you and your colleagues in the regaqrd we are discussing seek in yoiur hearts on cc honour for yourselves or God? The above verses give us the answer
Hi LBG,
Why don't yoo look for yourself for a sermon, there are plenty of Baptist churches online. Plus, you only single out Baptists because I go to a Baptist Church..which really just shows your motives??
but since you won't stop harping on about it I will give you one (there are many if you look )
What is the doctrine of the Trinity? - Desiring God (this is in written form about the trinity)
Jesus Is the Christ the Son of God - Desiring God (This is a video on the diety of Christ he is God)
Now, lets get to point of the issue you raise. You say that where does it say that you have to believve Jesus is God? Well, thats a bit of a stupid question really, because if you believe in someone you believe who they are. You have been given ample evidence from scripture by numerous people on here at CC. but the plain simple fact is you cannot see the truth. and therefore deny the truth!
A new christian does not need to know all the facts, it is at this point you confuse the argument, let me explain.
When a wealthy couple have a baby, the baby does not need to know at that stage that he will one day own the mansion and take over the family business, but the family nurture him over time into this.
Your problem is, that a) your still an infant or b) you are blind to God's truth.
If you believe in Jesus Christ you will come to believe all of what He said..including what He said about Himself. You unfortunatley do not!
Why don't yoo look for yourself for a sermon, there are plenty of Baptist churches online. Plus, you only single out Baptists because I go to a Baptist Church..which really just shows your motives??
but since you won't stop harping on about it I will give you one (there are many if you look
)What is the doctrine of the Trinity? - Desiring God (this is in written form about the trinity)
Jesus Is the Christ the Son of God - Desiring God (This is a video on the diety of Christ he is God)
Now, lets get to point of the issue you raise. You say that where does it say that you have to believve Jesus is God? Well, thats a bit of a stupid question really, because if you believe in someone you believe who they are. You have been given ample evidence from scripture by numerous people on here at CC. but the plain simple fact is you cannot see the truth. and therefore deny the truth!
A new christian does not need to know all the facts, it is at this point you confuse the argument, let me explain.
When a wealthy couple have a baby, the baby does not need to know at that stage that he will one day own the mansion and take over the family business, but the family nurture him over time into this.
Your problem is, that a) your still an infant or b) you are blind to God's truth.
If you believe in Jesus Christ you will come to believe all of what He said..including what He said about Himself. You unfortunatley do not!
This doctrine must have been inspired by the prince of this world,to create many unsolved questions,and to make the scripture look unreliable.And also to create big holes,more holes than swiss chees,to loose respect for the scriptures.For some already say; you dont need to read the scriptures. An apostacy is already at work,take heed.
It only get worse. Come back, back to the scriptures,for to continue this path will lead to the desert, where is no water.
Hi LBG,
I could quite easily say that I spoke to Baptist minister and he told me that if you believe Jesus is not God, you do not have the Son, therefore you do not have eternal life 1 John 5:11-12. we can easlily say things on the internet.
I would agree that you need a belief in Jesus, but then don't the demons?
What is it that sets the belief of Christians about Christ from the rest of the world?
You see what you really do is take a part of truth and twist it so that you can follow your own belief in who God is, as I have said already that is Idolatry, you make your own God!
LBG I have answered your questions quite a few times as have others infact just go on to the main board and you can the wonderfull truth that Jesus is infact one with the Fathe...God.
Now you asked for proof from a Baptist Church..I gave you that, then you change the goal posts..it had to be someone in the UK.. So its hard to answer when you keep changing.
Now as in the post well above.. answer this.
Where does Jesus say Himself He is not God.
Since wakeup agrees with you maube he can answer aswell
I could quite easily say that I spoke to Baptist minister and he told me that if you believe Jesus is not God, you do not have the Son, therefore you do not have eternal life 1 John 5:11-12. we can easlily say things on the internet.
I would agree that you need a belief in Jesus, but then don't the demons?
What is it that sets the belief of Christians about Christ from the rest of the world?
You see what you really do is take a part of truth and twist it so that you can follow your own belief in who God is, as I have said already that is Idolatry, you make your own God!
LBG I have answered your questions quite a few times as have others infact just go on to the main board and you can the wonderfull truth that Jesus is infact one with the Fathe...God.
Now you asked for proof from a Baptist Church..I gave you that, then you change the goal posts..it had to be someone in the UK.. So its hard to answer when you keep changing.
Now as in the post well above.. answer this.
Where does Jesus say Himself He is not God.
Since wakeup agrees with you maube he can answer aswell
As you know and so does anyone else who has followed this question to you
I have asked for you to provide a sermon preached from the pulpit in a Baptist church in the UK where it is stated
If you believe Jesus is the son of God but not God himself you are a heretic and condemned. You know that to be the truth
But you think nothing of being untruthful concerning this, because you simply do not want to be honest and truthfully answer the question. Why not?
All roads lead to Rome so to speak
John 7:18&19