So many churches, so little effect!!!!!

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Aliciaforjesus

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There are so many churches in my city, (Fresno, Ca)

If you really look there are almost as many Starbucks on each corner as there are churches.

When I drive anywhere in town I see churches every where, and my heart is moved with greif, and struck with sadness!

What am I to do, Oh Lord!

My Spirit is moved to prayer!

Deep inside there is a groan, a longing that can not be explained!

A cry from the deep!

Will the Real Children of God Please Stand Up!

So many churches, so little effect!

Why?

If one church was really doing what God said,

this whole city would be changed!

Somewhere we all have missed it!

We have become a clanging symbol!

The church is bearing the fruit of its lips.

We are a house divided, and the word says, it will not stand!

What are we to do?

PRAY!

Where is the God of Elijah?

Where is the God of Ezekiel, who makes life come back to dry bones, where all hope is lost.

We need things put back right!

Send us Elijah and let him call for the rain!

Send the Spirit of Truth Lord,

We want to see Your face!

Nothing else will do!

For far to long the church has been giving its best shot,

and look at it's fruit.

How can you see His face in a church body that lacks love.

To much lip service in churches today, and not enough action!

Love action, 1 cor. 13


 
K

KingdomGeneration

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#2
There are so many churches in my city, (Fresno, Ca)

If you really look there are almost as many Starbucks on each corner as there are churches.

When I drive anywhere in town I see churches every where, and my heart is moved with greif, and struck with sadness!

What am I to do, Oh Lord!

My Spirit is moved to prayer!

Deep inside there is a groan, a longing that can not be explained!

A cry from the deep!

Will the Real Children of God Please Stand Up!

So many churches, so little effect!

Why?

If one church was really doing what God said,

this whole city would be changed!

Somewhere we all have missed it!

We have become a clanging symbol!

The church is bearing the fruit of its lips.

We are a house divided, and the word says, it will not stand!

What are we to do?

PRAY!

Where is the God of Elijah?

Where is the God of Ezekiel, who makes life come back to dry bones, where all hope is lost.

We need things put back right!

Send us Elijah and let him call for the rain!

Send the Spirit of Truth Lord,

We want to see Your face!

Nothing else will do!

For far to long the church has been giving its best shot,

and look at it's fruit.

How can you see His face in a church body that lacks love.

To much lip service in churches today, and not enough action!

Love action, 1 cor. 13
Now you're speaking my language. *lol* I couldn't agree more. The church in America is practically impotent. If God is the same yesterday, today, and forever then God is not the one with a problem. That leaves us with only one other option... US!
 
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2ti 3:1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2ti 3:2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,2ti 3:3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,2ti 3:4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;2ti 3:5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.2ti 3:6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,2ti 3:7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
 
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Elijah3

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#4
Alicia, let's pray together for God to bring about change, let's pray for a Great Awakening. The God of Elijah will surely use a person like you. Are you ready?
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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#5
Alicia, let's pray together for God to bring about change, let's pray for a Great Awakening. The God of Elijah will surely use a person like you. Are you ready?

I am all for a move of God!

Where is the God of Elijah?

We need Him to bring the hearts of the father back to the children.

I say let it rain!

Let it rain!

 
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Baruch

Guest
#6
Where is the God of Elijah?

Where is the God of Ezekiel, who makes life come back to dry bones, where all hope is lost.

We need things put back right!

Send us Elijah and let him call for the rain!

Send the Spirit of Truth Lord,

We want to see Your face!

Nothing else will do!
.......


To much lip service in churches today, and not enough action!

Love action, 1 cor. 13
All you need for a revival is to get back to the Word... and the Word is Jesus Christ.

God cannot send the Spirit of Truth if He is already in believers. God does not send the Spirit of Truth so believers can see His face for He does not have one; Jesus does.

The reason why I pointed out that prayer language is unnecessary is because God the Father knows even before we ask Him.

Matthew 6: 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

So what spirit is it that interrupts your prayer to Jesus and God the Father if you knew what to pray for when prayer language is totally unnecessary? Why does this spirit prays in babblings for which there is no interpretation, thus being seen as vain repetition?

This is why we are to not believe every spirit but test them by the Word of God.

Services have been held back in favour of seeing what the "spirit" of the "holy laughter" would move again or not. Sermons have been interrupted by this "holy laughter" movement.

How can it not be the same spirit that interrupts your prayer to Him when you knew what you are praying for?

As KingdomGeneration testifies... now you are talking like Him for God to send the Spirit of Truth for a revival when He is already in them.

I share my concern for you, sister, because as you are hearing His voice, you are not done hearing Him to discern what is not of Him: this spirit that interrupts you with its prayer language.

How can believers be told to be silent of no interpretor if they lose self control like that? This is why believers are told not to quench the Spirit because they can. Temperance which is self control is a fruit of the Spirit by which He would not take away just to speak through you or pray through you either.

God would have us stand apart from the world so obviously... as other spirits have come in to mislead others, then they can also bring these spirits with them. You were a believer before you got this "gift" and yet the gift of tongues was supposed to come with interpretation and not serve as a prayer language.

1 Corinthians 12:7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Prayer langauge is not listed because tongues are to edify the body as a whole thus to come with interpretation.

1 Corinthians 14: 7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? 8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 9So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 10There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. 12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Neither will God give tongues as a prayer language to make anyone think you are mad. God does not give a "talent" and bury it like the unfaithful steward would. The gift of tongues is to come with interpretation and thus not a stand alone gift.
As we witness for Him.. so also as we pray.

Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

So please consider His Words lest you become like David Wilkerson because he sounded like those you speak against for conjuring up the Holy Ghost, and now you are talking like them to send the Spirit of Truth when He is already in the believers for a revival. It is by going back to the Word iin edifying us in the knowledge of Jesus that we have true revival.

In any event, prayer language should be dropped as scriptures testifies it is unnecessary and God does not operate in that way so we can be witnesses of Jesus Christ as He taught us to pray plainly...

Matthew 6:9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
 
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missy2shoes

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#7
dat was a long post :)
 
K

KingdomGeneration

Guest
#8
2ti 3:1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.2ti 3:2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,2ti 3:3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,2ti 3:4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;2ti 3:5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.2ti 3:6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,2ti 3:7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Amen Kieth. I heard a staggering statistic a few weeks ago which stated that it is estimated that 6 out of every 10 pastors struggle with lust and pornography. So no man is perfect however, how can a man stand behind a pull pit and preach one thing then go home and do those very things that he preached against just a few days prior? That is nothing short of hypocritical and I believe that is the kind of doctrine many churches are now embracing.
 
K

KingdomGeneration

Guest
#9
I am all for a move of God!

Where is the God of Elijah?

We need Him to bring the hearts of the father back to the children.

I say let it rain!

Let it rain!
The vast majority of christians today believe in God but do not believe God or in the power there of. They would rather embrace a doctrine that teaches a hypothetical transformation upon salvation which allows them to indulge in their own sinful desires from time to time rather than preach the real deal where people are literally delivered from addictions of all kinds and must assume the responsibility for themselves to exude self control and stay away from those guilty pleasures lest they fall back into the snare of the enemy. Sure we must lean on the Lord for strength however, not many people seem to understand that His strength abides in His love and if you truly love Christ, then it is that love that grants you the will power to resist the temptations of the enemy.

In essence, they want Christ to forgive them of their sin but they do not wish to give up their own sinful pursuits.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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#10
All you need for a revival is to get back to the Word... and the Word is Jesus Christ.

God cannot send the Spirit of Truth if He is already in believers. God does not send the Spirit of Truth so believers can see His face for He does not have one; Jesus does.

The reason why I pointed out that prayer language is unnecessary is because God the Father knows even before we ask Him.

Matthew 6: 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

So what spirit is it that interrupts your prayer to Jesus and God the Father if you knew what to pray for when prayer language is totally unnecessary? Why does this spirit prays in babblings for which there is no interpretation, thus being seen as vain repetition?

This is why we are to not believe every spirit but test them by the Word of God.

Services have been held back in favour of seeing what the "spirit" of the "holy laughter" would move again or not. Sermons have been interrupted by this "holy laughter" movement.

How can it not be the same spirit that interrupts your prayer to Him when you knew what you are praying for?

As KingdomGeneration testifies... now you are talking like Him for God to send the Spirit of Truth for a revival when He is already in them.

I share my concern for you, sister, because as you are hearing His voice, you are not done hearing Him to discern what is not of Him: this spirit that interrupts you with its prayer language.

How can believers be told to be silent of no interpretor if they lose self control like that? This is why believers are told not to quench the Spirit because they can. Temperance which is self control is a fruit of the Spirit by which He would not take away just to speak through you or pray through you either.

God would have us stand apart from the world so obviously... as other spirits have come in to mislead others, then they can also bring these spirits with them. You were a believer before you got this "gift" and yet the gift of tongues was supposed to come with interpretation and not serve as a prayer language.

1 Corinthians 12:7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Prayer langauge is not listed because tongues are to edify the body as a whole thus to come with interpretation.

1 Corinthians 14: 7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? 8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 9So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 10There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. 12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Neither will God give tongues as a prayer language to make anyone think you are mad. God does not give a "talent" and bury it like the unfaithful steward would. The gift of tongues is to come with interpretation and thus not a stand alone gift.
As we witness for Him.. so also as we pray.

Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

So please consider His Words lest you become like David Wilkerson because he sounded like those you speak against for conjuring up the Holy Ghost, and now you are talking like them to send the Spirit of Truth when He is already in the believers for a revival. It is by going back to the Word iin edifying us in the knowledge of Jesus that we have true revival.

In any event, prayer language should be dropped as scriptures testifies it is unnecessary and God does not operate in that way so we can be witnesses of Jesus Christ as He taught us to pray plainly...

Matthew 6:9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
When is the last time you shared your faith?

Are you one of those that go to church and never gets anything but God bumps for yourself?

 
K

KingdomGeneration

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#11
Baruch, when is the last time your church had something even ressembling real revival. Do you even understand the concept? Most churches seem to embrace this idea that "revival" is inviting a guest speaker from another church who shares their denominational perspectives to give a well rehearsed sermon laced with "power points" especially designed to get a rise out of a crowd that he's already familiar with. In other words, he's simply preaching to the choir. Any politician worth his salt can do this as well.

Real revival is when the manifested presense of God reveals Himself to His people. To humble those who have become proud, to heal those living with aff;iction and to deliver those living in bondage. Then again, since you do not believe or preach in a God who humbles, heals and delivers, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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#12
I believe the church has fallen away!

I see revival everyday in those around me!

I share Jesus everyday and see revival in peoples hearts everyday.

The sad thing is that I would not bring them into most churches today, so my house has become my church!

My house is full everyday, not just wed. and sundays.

I share Jesus everyday, I see signs and wonders everyday too!

Daily there are people added to my church!

Can any of you say this?

I live not 30%, not 60% but 100% Jesus all the time.

If it doesn't line up with the word, it doesn't line up with the word!

We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus!

This does not change!
 
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Aliciaforjesus

Guest
#13
All you need for a revival is to get back to the Word... and the Word is Jesus Christ.

God cannot send the Spirit of Truth if He is already in believers. God does not send the Spirit of Truth so believers can see His face for He does not have one; Jesus does.

The reason why I pointed out that prayer language is unnecessary is because God the Father knows even before we ask Him.

Matthew 6: 5And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. 7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

So what spirit is it that interrupts your prayer to Jesus and God the Father if you knew what to pray for when prayer language is totally unnecessary? Why does this spirit prays in babblings for which there is no interpretation, thus being seen as vain repetition?

This is why we are to not believe every spirit but test them by the Word of God.

Services have been held back in favour of seeing what the "spirit" of the "holy laughter" would move again or not. Sermons have been interrupted by this "holy laughter" movement.

How can it not be the same spirit that interrupts your prayer to Him when you knew what you are praying for?

As KingdomGeneration testifies... now you are talking like Him for God to send the Spirit of Truth for a revival when He is already in them.

I share my concern for you, sister, because as you are hearing His voice, you are not done hearing Him to discern what is not of Him: this spirit that interrupts you with its prayer language.

How can believers be told to be silent of no interpretor if they lose self control like that? This is why believers are told not to quench the Spirit because they can. Temperance which is self control is a fruit of the Spirit by which He would not take away just to speak through you or pray through you either.

God would have us stand apart from the world so obviously... as other spirits have come in to mislead others, then they can also bring these spirits with them. You were a believer before you got this "gift" and yet the gift of tongues was supposed to come with interpretation and not serve as a prayer language.

1 Corinthians 12:7But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Prayer langauge is not listed because tongues are to edify the body as a whole thus to come with interpretation.

1 Corinthians 14: 7And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? 8For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? 9So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 10There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification. 11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. 12Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. 13Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. 14For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. 15What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 16Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified. 18I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:

19Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. 22Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Neither will God give tongues as a prayer language to make anyone think you are mad. God does not give a "talent" and bury it like the unfaithful steward would. The gift of tongues is to come with interpretation and thus not a stand alone gift.
As we witness for Him.. so also as we pray.

Matthew 10: 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

So please consider His Words lest you become like David Wilkerson because he sounded like those you speak against for conjuring up the Holy Ghost, and now you are talking like them to send the Spirit of Truth when He is already in the believers for a revival. It is by going back to the Word iin edifying us in the knowledge of Jesus that we have true revival.

In any event, prayer language should be dropped as scriptures testifies it is unnecessary and God does not operate in that way so we can be witnesses of Jesus Christ as He taught us to pray plainly...

Matthew 6:9After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. 11Give us this day our daily bread. 12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. 13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

The word says that the Spirit of Elijah would come in the last days to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, if not than a curse will fall on the land!

This is what we are praying for and it does line up with the word.
Do you have a problem with this?

Or are you bring another thread into this one?
 
K

KingdomGeneration

Guest
#14
I believe the church has fallen away!

I see revival everyday in those around me!

I share Jesus everyday and see revival in peoples hearts everyday.

The sad thing is that I would not bring them into most churches today, so my house has become my church!

My house is full everyday, not just wed. and sundays.

I share Jesus everyday, I see signs and wonders everyday too!

Daily there are people added to my church!

Can any of you say this?

I live not 30%, not 60% but 100% Jesus all the time.

If it doesn't line up with the word, it doesn't line up with the word!

We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus!

This does not change!
:) Keep up the pursuit Alicia. God has great things in store for you!
 
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Baruch

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#15
When is the last time you shared your faith?

Are you one of those that go to church and never gets anything but God bumps for yourself?
By His grace, I just did it. Ands He has also enable me to have shared my faith in other christian forums and a public one.

I ask you, Alicia, to please reread the post you had replied to in this thread again. I implore you to prayerfully consider just how other spirits seek to come between us and Christ Jesus. The real inner dwelling Holy Spirit will not do that as He is in us... not between us. Only Jesus Christ is between us and the Father. There is no one else inbetween us and Jesus so that is why the Holy Spirit is in us and not to be confused with "spirit guides" already found in the world.

May God cause the increase.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: .......
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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Baruch, when is the last time your church had something even ressembling real revival. Do you even understand the concept? Most churches seem to embrace this idea that "revival" is inviting a guest speaker from another church who shares their denominational perspectives to give a well rehearsed sermon laced with "power points" especially designed to get a rise out of a crowd that he's already familiar with. In other words, he's simply preaching to the choir. Any politician worth his salt can do this as well.

Real revival is when the manifested presense of God reveals Himself to His people. To humble those who have become proud, to heal those living with aff;iction and to deliver those living in bondage. Then again, since you do not believe or preach in a God who humbles, heals and delivers, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that.
I would have to agree with the first part of this statement.

But Not how you are talking to Baruch, but your point about the churches is true!

We are to love!

Our fight is not against flesh and blood, but yet both of you are in the flesh.

Be careful not to become someone that pushes people away from the truth,
Love never demands it own way.
Your mercy is to out weigh your judgements.
Pray for eachother, not fight!

Do you Believe?
Are your prayers answered?

Then get out of the flesh and trust the Lord!
Pray for your brother!
 
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Baruch

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Baruch, when is the last time your church had something even ressembling real revival. Do you even understand the concept? Most churches seem to embrace this idea that "revival" is inviting a guest speaker from another church who shares their denominational perspectives to give a well rehearsed sermon laced with "power points" especially designed to get a rise out of a crowd that he's already familiar with. In other words, he's simply preaching to the choir. Any politician worth his salt can do this as well.

Real revival is when the manifested presense of God reveals Himself to His people. To humble those who have become proud, to heal those living with aff;iction and to deliver those living in bondage. Then again, since you do not believe or preach in a God who humbles, heals and delivers, I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that.
Ah.. contrare. Jesus has delivered me from the deceitful doctrines of man and kept me from falling after seducing spirits as well as from sins of the flesh that the world, the church, and myself rationalized as being acceptable, but He was and still is saying otherwise. Jesus did it as He is my Good Shepherd. I trust Him to continue to do so till He brings me Home for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
 
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Baruch

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The word says that the Spirit of Elijah would come in the last days to turn the hearts of the fathers back to the children, if not than a curse will fall on the land!

This is what we are praying for and it does line up with the word.
Do you have a problem with this?

Or are you bring another thread into this one?
That would refer to God raising up a prophet to warn before judgment falls.

Since even having the Spirit of Elijah in the land does not mean that the land will repoent, it stands to reason that there will be a famine in the land for hearing the Word of the Lord. Amos 8:11

And yet here you are talking about asking God to send the Spirit of Truth on the believers when He is already in them

How is that any different than conjuring up the Holy Ghost that you preached against earlier in another thread? KingdomGeneration disagreed with what you had preached against earlier and yet now he says you are speaking his language in this thread. Does that not give you pause?

All I said was to get back to the Word and stop looking for another spirit to receive or ask for. Revival of the manifestation of the Spirit of God usually does only one thing... glorifies the coming of that "Spirit". We need to keep the faith and our eyes on Jesus. The moment we start showing partiality, is the moment we suffer a thief to break through so that when it happens, we would just "fall" for it.

There are no guarantees that what you preached against earlier in another thread will not happen when you and your congregation ask for the Spirit of Truth to come to have this revival.

May the Lord deliver you from the current hype of asking for the Spirit for a revival as every other "movement of the "Spirit" is doing by similar foirmat when He is already in us as our faith declares.
 
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Aliciaforjesus

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Why does it seem to be all about you Baruch!
You are not 100% right
nor are you 100% wrong!

You seem to twist every post on this site!
Should I pray for you?
Should I be patient with you?
Or should I just ignore you?

Be carefull not to place yourself as a pharisee or a judge.
Pushing people away from the truth!

Make sure that your words bring life not comdemnation!

Haven't you ever heard, if you argue with a fool, you become one too?

Denominations bring division!
It is all about,

Jesus!
 
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Baruch

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Why does it seem to be all about you Baruch!
You are not 100% right
nor are you 100% wrong!

You seem to twist every post on this site!
Should I pray for you?
Should I be patient with you?
Or should I just ignore you?

Be carefull not to place yourself as a pharisee or a judge.
Pushing people away from the truth!

Make sure that your words bring life not comdemnation!

Haven't you ever heard, if you argue with a fool, you become one too?

Denominations bring division!
It is all about,

Jesus!
You had stated a need for revival which means for the believers and you used the hype of asking God to send the Spirit of Truth which is the same spiritual format of conjuring up the Holy Ghost.

You said earlier that the focus is to be on Jesus, and not on the Holy Spirit. Did you lose your focus?

By His grace, I believe I was testifying of Jesus and the Truth of the Gospel, but if you do not want to examine the use of your words how they sound like those you preach against... then there is not much more to say in edifying you or correcting you or reminding you of our faith in Jesus Christ.

I shall pray for you. May the Lord help you be 100 % correct in being a witness of Him.
 
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