Gog and Magog

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zone

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Gog and Magog:
the false prophetic underpinnings for war.

by HD Kailin.
That is Zionism in a nutshell, "total war" on behalf of
a self-serving goal, that being to rule the world from
Jerusalem. Presumably Perle, the Zionist, would be good
to his own children but - in plotting aggressive, unjust
war - he has made himself an unholy terror to the
neighbors' children. Ethnic cleansing, dead American
soldiers, the maiming of civilians seem to be a matter of
no moment to a "pragmatist" of his stripe for whom the
end always justifies the means. Conversely, it is the place
of all moral Jews and all moral Christians to affirm that
all God's children are valued in God's eyes.

Undergirding the fundamentalists' religio-political
movement is a theological construct known as
"Dispensationalism." A totally artificial prism through
which the Bible is viewed, it is a system that promotes
such impossibilities as a "Dispensation of Law" and a
"Dispensation of Grace," as if Law and Grace were ever,
or could ever, be separated. An intricate, even arcane,
hermeneutic, Dispensationalism is not, as some might
suppose, "that old time religion," but a Johnny-come-
lately, 19th Century novelty with which neither the Bible
not Church fathers, nor the major creeds - whether the
Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, or the Westminster
Confession of Faith - know anything about or could
have ever fathomed. Numbering between 20 to 25 million,
the Dispensationalists constitute Bush's core constituency.

One of the novelties of the Dispensationalist belief
system is the idea that it is the place of believers to
advance End Time prophecy, as if this were a moral
imperative. Moral imperative attaches to healing the
sick or feeding the hungry, not to starting apocalyptic
wars so as to bringing prophecy to pass. What motivates
them is the puerile belief in "the pre-tribulation rapture"
which will leave them sitting pretty while everyone else
burns. What they are unaware of is that this is a wholly
made-up doctrine for which there is not one iota of
Biblical support. What I hope to do hereafter is to rescue
the truth of the Bible from their fetid hands by appeals
to reason and Scripture.

This we know and can trace historically, that Zionism
and Dispensationalism are inextricably linked, having
arisen at the same time and place, (mid-19th Century
Great Britain, and both were sponsored by the same elite
establishment. As it were, they are two horns grown from
the same head, that being Anglo-Israelism. As such they
compliment each other in curious ways. On the one hand,
the intellectual foundation for the Jewish return is provided
by Christian Dispensationalists. By returning to the Land,
the Jews provide the Dispensationalists with the visible
"proof" they need that their system of exegesis is approved
of God. The Jewish Zionists, through their control of the
mass media also provide Dispensationalist ministers the
oxygen of publicity. Hence, a platform for Jerry Falwell,
or Frank Graham, etc. while these clergymen merchandise
their flock to raise up canon fodder for the Jews.


~

It's apparent from the above finding why they're called
"Christian Zionists." But they are not Christian Zionists in
the oldeer sense of wishing to win the Holy Land for
Christendom (as was the case a 1000 years ago during the
Crusader period) nor do they seek to win the Land for Jesus
by persuasive means; rather, they are "proxy-Zionists" who
wish to win the Holy Land for unbelieving Jews. It's an
open question to what extent theirs is the faith once for all
delivered to the saints, and to what extent they are
participants in a death-dealing, doomsday cult of recent
derivation.


LiberalPro: Gog and MaGog
 

zone

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#2
Gog and Magog statues at Gaunt's clock in the Royal Arcade, Melbourne, Australia erected in 1892 (see the phot below). These figures are modelled after those at Guildhall, London, originally erected in 1708, and based on the traditional British myths of the conflict between the ancient Britons and Trojans.


 

zone

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Jun 13, 2010
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#3


The statues of Gog and Magog currently standing in the Guildhall were commissioned from sculptor David Evans after the previous versions were destroyed in the Blitz. The phoenix shield tells us that this is Magog. (click to download)
 
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selenah

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#4


The statues of Gog and Magog currently standing in the Guildhall were commissioned from sculptor David Evans after the previous versions were destroyed in the Blitz. The phoenix shield tells us that this is Magog. (click to download)
Oh man, that guy had a bad face lift around the eyes.


Anyways, interesting article.
 
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selenah

Guest
#5
What happened to Pagog?
 

zone

Senior Member
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
164
63
#8
any comments?....

BUMP


Gog and Magog:

the false prophetic underpinnings for war.

by HD Kailin.​

That is Zionism in a nutshell, "total war" on behalf of
a self-serving goal, that being to rule the world from
Jerusalem. Presumably Perle, the Zionist, would be good
to his own children but - in plotting aggressive, unjust
war - he has made himself an unholy terror to the
neighbors' children. Ethnic cleansing, dead American
soldiers, the maiming of civilians seem to be a matter of
no moment to a "pragmatist" of his stripe for whom the
end always justifies the means. Conversely, it is the place
of all moral Jews and all moral Christians to affirm that
all God's children are valued in God's eyes.

Undergirding the fundamentalists' religio-political
movement is a theological construct known as
"Dispensationalism." A totally artificial prism through
which the Bible is viewed, it is a system that promotes
such impossibilities as a "Dispensation of Law" and a
"Dispensation of Grace," as if Law and Grace were ever,
or could ever, be separated. An intricate, even arcane,
hermeneutic, Dispensationalism is not, as some might
suppose, "that old time religion," but a Johnny-come-
lately, 19th Century novelty with which neither the Bible
not Church fathers, nor the major creeds - whether the
Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, or the Westminster
Confession of Faith - know anything about or could
have ever fathomed. Numbering between 20 to 25 million,
the Dispensationalists constitute Bush's core constituency.

One of the novelties of the Dispensationalist belief
system is the idea that it is the place of believers to
advance End Time prophecy, as if this were a moral
imperative. Moral imperative attaches to healing the
sick or feeding the hungry, not to starting apocalyptic
wars so as to bringing prophecy to pass. What motivates
them is the puerile belief in "the pre-tribulation rapture"
which will leave them sitting pretty while everyone else
burns. What they are unaware of is that this is a wholly
made-up doctrine for which there is not one iota of
Biblical support. What I hope to do hereafter is to rescue
the truth of the Bible from their fetid hands by appeals
to reason and Scripture.

This we know and can trace historically, that Zionism
and Dispensationalism are inextricably linked, having
arisen at the same time and place, (mid-19th Century
Great Britain, and both were sponsored by the same elite
establishment. As it were, they are two horns grown from
the same head, that being Anglo-Israelism. As such they
compliment each other in curious ways. On the one hand,
the intellectual foundation for the Jewish return is provided
by Christian Dispensationalists. By returning to the Land,
the Jews provide the Dispensationalists with the visible
"proof" they need that their system of exegesis is approved
of God. The Jewish Zionists, through their control of the
mass media also provide Dispensationalist ministers the
oxygen of publicity. Hence, a platform for Jerry Falwell,
or Frank Graham, etc. while these clergymen merchandise
their flock to raise up canon fodder for the Jews.

~

It's apparent from the above finding why they're called
"Christian Zionists." But they are not Christian Zionists in
the oldeer sense of wishing to win the Holy Land for
Christendom (as was the case a 1000 years ago during the
Crusader period) nor do they seek to win the Land for Jesus
by persuasive means; rather, they are "proxy-Zionists" who
wish to win the Holy Land for unbelieving Jews. It's an
open question to what extent theirs is the faith once for all
delivered to the saints, and to what extent they are
participants in a death-dealing, doomsday cult of recent
derivation.


LiberalPro: Gog and MaGog
 
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selenah

Guest
#9
any comments?....

BUMP
I thought Zionism was something that that one guy whatever his name was tried to push. Wasn't it something about creating the nation of Israel. (sorry, best comment I could think of)
 

zone

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Jun 13, 2010
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CrimsonFlames

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There are Valleys and natural land formations named after Gog and Magog in Britain., Australia and Canada. Cities also.., I find it Bizarre anyone would make monuments of this sort and name places after them. Also check out the Lord Mayors Festival in London

Magog, Quebec - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gog Magog Downs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Welcome to the Gog Magog Golf Club : Gog Magog Golf Club

Why.., now why would you parade Gog and Magog down the street in a festival?

YouTube - ‪Lord Mayor's Show 2009 - (Gog and Magog)‬‏

GOG AND MAGOG BACK IN LONDON - British Pathe

The list goes on and on