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BIBLICAL HERMENEUTICS

[I understand that some people do not like Wikipedia. This article is a simple summary of
an important and complex topic. Because of space constraints, I have edited/excerpted
and thus omitted important information and links from the original article. Please feel
free to add other information, links and commentary. Good Bible Study begins with good
Hermeneutics.
-- Digital_Angel_316]
see the full article here: Biblical hermeneutics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Biblical hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation concerning
the books of the Bible. It is part of the broader field of hermeneutics which involves
the study of principles for the text and includes all forms of communication: verbal and nonverbal.

Contents

* 1 Tanakh commentaries
* 2 Talmudical Hermeneutics
* 3 Christian biblical hermeneutics
o 3.1 Theological hermeneutics as traditional Christian Biblical exegesis
* 4 Techniques of hermeneutics
o 4.1 Roman Catholic principles of hermeneutics
o 4.2 Trajectory hermeneutics
* 5 See also
* 6 External links

Tanakh commentaries

The article on Jewish commentaries on the Bible discusses hermeneutics on the Bible
from a Jewish point of view. This article discusses Jewish bible commentaries from the
ancient Targums to classical Rabbinic literature, the midrash literature, the classical
medieval commentators, and modern day commentaries.

Talmudical Hermeneutics

Talmudical Hermeneutics (Hebrew: approximately, מידות שהתורה נדרשת בהן)
refers to Jewish methods for the investigation and determination of the meaning of the
Hebrew Bible, as well as rules by which Jewish law could be established. One well-known
summary of these principles appears in the Baraita of Rabbi Ishmael.

The methods by which the Talmud explores the meaning of scripture include

* Grammar and exegesis
* The interpretation of certain words and letters and apparently superfluous and/or
missing words or letters, and prefixes and suffixes
* The interpretation of those letters which, in certain words, are provided with points
* The interpretation of the letters in a word according to their numerical value (see
Gemaṭria)
* The interpretation of a word by dividing it into two or more words (see Noṭariḳon)
* The interpretation of a word according to its consonantal form or according to its
vocalization
* The interpretation of a word by transposing its letters or by changing its vowels
* The logical deduction of a halakah from a Scriptural text or from another law

The rabbis of the Talmud considered themselves to be the receivers and transmitters
of an oral law as to the meaning of the scriptures. They considered this oral tradition
to set forth the precise, original meanings of the words, revealed at the same time
and by the same means as the original scriptures themselves.

Christian biblical hermeneutics

Until the Enlightenment, Biblical hermeneutics was usually seen as a form of special
hermeneutics (like legal hermeneutics); the status of Holy Scripture was thought to
necessitate a particular form of understanding and interpretation.

In the nineteenth century it became increasingly common to read Scripture just like
any other writing, although the different interpretations were often disputed. Friedrich
Schleiermacher argued against a distinction between "general" and "special"
hermeneutics, and for a general theory of hermeneutics applicable to all texts,
including the Bible. Various methods of higher criticism sought to understand the
Bible purely as a human, historical document.

The concept of hermeneutics has acquired at least two different but related meanings
which are in use today. Firstly, in the older sense, Biblical hermeneutics may be
understood as the theological principles of exegesis which is often virtually synonymous
with 'principles of biblical interpretation' or methodology of Biblical exegesis.

Secondly, the more recent development is to understand the term 'Biblical hermeneutics'
as the broader philosophy and linguistic underpinnings of interpretation. The question
is posed: "How is understanding possible?" The rationale of this approach is that,
while Scripture is 'more than just an ordinary text', it is in the first instance 'text',
which human beings try to understand; in this sense, the principles of understanding
any text apply to the Bible as well (regardless of whatever other specifically theological
principles that are considered in addition to that).

In this second sense, all aspects of philosophical and linguistic hermeneutics are
considered to be applicable to the Biblical texts as well.

Theological hermeneutics as traditional Christian Biblical exegesis

This form of theological hermeneutics in the mainstream Protestant tradition considers
Christian Biblical hermeneutics in the tradition of explication of the text, or exegesis, to
deal with various principles that can be applied to the study of Scripture. If the canon of
Scripture is considered as an organic whole, rather than an accumulation of disparate
individual texts written and edited in the course of history, then any interpretation that
contradicts any other part of scripture is not considered to be sound. Biblical
hermeneutics differs from hermeneutics and within traditional Protestant theology, there
are a variety of interpretive formulae. Such formulae are generally not mutually
exclusive, and interpreters may adhere to several of these approaches at once. These
formulae include:

Theological Group of Principles:


* The Election Principle
* The Historical-grammatical principle based on historical, socio-political, . .
geographical, cultural and linguistic / grammatical context
* The Dispensation Principle or The Chronometrical Principle: "During different
periods of time, God has chosen to deal in a particular way with man in respect to
sin and man's responsibility."
* The Covenantal Principle: "We differentiate between the various contracts that God
has made with his people; specifically their provisions, their parties and their
purposes."
* The Ethnic Division Principle: "The word of truth is rightly divided in relation to the
three classes which it treats, i.e. Jews, Gentiles and the Church."
* The Breach Principle: Interpretation of a certain verse or passage in Scripture is
aided by a consideration of certain breaches, either breaches of promise or
breaches of time.
* The Christo-Centric Principle: "The mind of deity is eternally centered in Christ. All
angelic thought and ministry are centered in Christ. All Satanic hatred and subtlety
are centered at Christ. All human hopes are, and human occupations should be,
centered in Christ. The whole material universe in creation is centered in Christ. The
entire written word is centered in Christ."
* The Moral Principle
* The Discriminational Principle: "We should divide the word of truth so as to make a
distinction where God makes a difference."
* The Predictive Principle
* The Application Principle: "An application of truth may be made only after the
correct interpretation has been made"
* The Principle of Human Willingness in Illumination
* The Context Principle: "God gives light upon a subject through either near or
remote passages bearing upon the same subject."

Sub-divided Context/Mention Principles:

* The First Mention Principle: "God indicates in the first mention of a subject the truth
with which that subject stands connected in the mind of God."
* The Progressive Mention Principle: "God makes the revelation of any given truth
increasingly clear as the word proceeds to its consummation."
* The Comparative Mention Principle
* The Full Mention Principle or The Complete Mention Principle: "God declares his full mind
upon any subject vital to our spiritual life."
* The Agreement Principle: "The truthfulness and faithfulness of God become the
guarantee
that he will not set forth any passage in his word that contradicts any other
passage."
* The Direct Statement Principle: "God says what he means and means what he says."
* The Gap Principle: "God, in the Jewish Scriptures, ignores certain periods of time, leaping
over them without comment."
* The Threefold Principle: "The word of God sets forth the truths of salvation in a
three-fold way: past - justification; present -sanctification/transformation; future -
glorification/consummation."
* The Repetition Principle: "God repeats some truth or subject already given,
generally with the addition of details not before given."
* The Synthetic Principle
* The Principle of Illustrative Mention
* The Double Reference Principle

Figures of Speech Group of Principles:

* The Numerical Principle
* The Symbolic Principle
* The Typical Principle: "Certain people, events, objects and rituals found in the Old
Testament may serve as object lessons and pictures by which God teaches us of his grace
and saving power."
* The Parabolic Principle
* The Allegorical Principle

Techniques of hermeneutics

In the interpretation of a text, hermeneutics considers the original medium as well as
what language says, supposes, doesn't say, and implies. The process consists of several
steps for best attaining the Scriptural author's intended meaning(s).

1. Lexical-syntactical analysis: This step looks at the words used and the way the words
are used. Different order of the sentence, the punctuation, the tense of the verse are all
aspects that are looked at in the lexical syntactical method. Here, lexicons and grammar
aids can help in extracting meaning from the text.

2. Historical/cultural analysis: The history and culture surrounding the authors is
important to understand to aid in interpretation. For instance, understanding the Jewish
sects of the Palestine and the government that ruled Palestine in New Testament times
increases understanding of Scripture. And, understanding the connotations of positions
such as the High Priest and that of the tax collector helps us know what others thought of
the people holding these positions.

3. Contextual analysis: A verse out of context can often be taken to mean something
completely different from the intention. This method focuses on the importance of
looking at the context of a verse in its chapter, book and even biblical context.

4. Theological analysis: It is often said that a single verse usually doesn't make a
theology. This is because Scripture often touches on issues in several books. For
instance, gifts of the Spirit are spoken about in Romans, Ephesians and 1 Corinthians.
To take a verse from Corinthians without taking into account other passages that deal
with the same topic can cause a poor interpretation.

5. Special literary analysis: There are several special literary aspects to look at, but the
overarching theme is that each genre of Scripture has a different set of rules that applies
to it. Of the genres found in Scripture, there are: narratives, histories, prophecies,
apocalyptic writings, poetry, psalms and letters. In these, there are differing levels of
allegory, figurative language, metaphors, similes and literal language. For instance, the
apocalyptic writings and poetry have more figurative and allegorical language than does
the narrative or historical writing. These must be addressed, and the genre recognized to
gain a full understanding of the intended meaning.

Howard Hendricks, longtime professor of hermeneutics at Dallas Theological Seminary,
set out the method of observing the text, interpreting the text, applying the text in his
book, Living By the Book. Other major Christian teachers, such as Chuck Swindoll, who
wrote the foreword, Kay Arthur and David Jeremiah have based their hermeneutics on
the principles Howard teaches.

David L. Barr states there are three obstacles that stand in the way of correctly
interpreting the biblical writings: 1) We speak a different language, 2) We live
approximately two millennia later, and 3) We bring different significantly different
[literary] expectations to the text.

Roman Catholic principles of hermeneutics (see article)

The Catholic Encyclopedia lists a number of principles guiding Roman Catholic
hermeneutics in the article on Exegesis: * Historico-grammatical interpretation , *
Catholic interpretation - , * Reverence - , * Inerrancy - , * Patristics -

Trajectory hermeneutics (see article)

Trajectory hermeneutics or redemptive-movement hermeneutics is a hermeneutical
approach that seeks to locate varying 'voices' in the text and to view this voice as a
progressive trajectory through history (or at least through the Biblical witness); often a
trajectory that progresses through to the present day. The contemporary reader of
Scripture is in some way envisaged by the Biblical text as standing in continuity with a
developing theme therein. The reader, then, is left to discern this trajectory and
appropriate it accordingly. [good example in article left out of this post].

See also (These are clickable Links Below):



External links
(These are clickable Links Below):

* Biblical Interpretation and Application Reading Room. Extensive online resources for
contemporary biblical hermeneutics (Tyndale Seminary)

*
Issues in Hermeneutics by Prof. Herman C. Hanko

*
Bibliology and Hermeneutics Course featuring audio and video resources from an
Evangelical perspective

*
Basic Rules for New Testament Exegesis

*
Rev.Dr. Jose Puthenveed ,"Psybible Interpretation of The Bible Passages through tools
of Psychology " A Website Interpreting Biblical passages ( Sunday Homlies) using
Psychlogy and Biblical scholarship, Website

*
BiblicalStudies.org.uk Offers detailed bibliographies and numerous scholarly articles on
various aspects of biblical hermeneutics.

*Hermeneutics - A Guide To Basic Bible Interpretation, By Darryl M. Erkel
(Evangelical)
 
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BIBLICAL HERMENEUTICS

[I understand that some people do not like Wikipedia. This article is a simple summary of
an important and complex topic. Because of space constraints, I have edited/excerpted
and thus omitted important information and links from the original article. Please feel
free to add other information, links and commentary. Good Bible Study begins with good
Hermeneutics.
-- Digital_Angel_316]
see the full article here: Biblical hermeneutics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Biblical hermeneutics is the study of the principles of interpretation concerning
the books of the Bible. It is part of the broader field of hermeneutics which involves
the study of principles for the text and includes all forms of communication: verbal and nonverbal.

Contents

* 1 Tanakh commentaries
* 2 Talmudical Hermeneutics
* 3 Christian biblical hermeneutics
o 3.1 Theological hermeneutics as traditional Christian Biblical exegesis
* 4 Techniques of hermeneutics
o 4.1 Roman Catholic principles of hermeneutics
o 4.2 Trajectory hermeneutics
* 5 See also
* 6 External links


The rabbis of the Talmud considered themselves to be the receivers and transmitters
of an oral law as to the meaning of the scriptures. They considered this oral tradition
to set forth the precise, original meanings of the words, revealed at the same time
and by the same means as the original scriptures themselves.

Christian biblical hermeneutics

Until the Enlightenment, Biblical hermeneutics was usually seen as a form of special
hermeneutics (like legal hermeneutics); the status of Holy Scripture was thought to
necessitate a particular form of understanding and interpretation.

In the nineteenth century it became increasingly common to read Scripture just like
any other writing, although the different interpretations were often disputed. Friedrich
Schleiermacher argued against a distinction between "general" and "special"
hermeneutics, and for a general theory of hermeneutics applicable to all texts,
including the Bible. Various methods of higher criticism sought to understand the
Bible purely as a human, historical document.

The concept of hermeneutics has acquired at least two different but related meanings
which are in use today. Firstly, in the older sense, Biblical hermeneutics may be
understood as the theological principles of exegesis which is often virtually synonymous
with 'principles of biblical interpretation' or methodology of Biblical exegesis.

Secondly, the more recent development is to understand the term 'Biblical hermeneutics'
as the broader philosophy and linguistic underpinnings of interpretation. The question
is posed: "How is understanding possible?" The rationale of this approach is that,
while Scripture is 'more than just an ordinary text', it is in the first instance 'text',
which human beings try to understand; in this sense, the principles of understanding
any text apply to the Bible as well (regardless of whatever other specifically theological
principles that are considered in addition to that).

In this second sense, all aspects of philosophical and linguistic hermeneutics are
considered to be applicable to the Biblical texts as well.

Theological hermeneutics as traditional Christian Biblical exegesis

This form of theological hermeneutics in the mainstream Protestant tradition considers
Christian Biblical hermeneutics in the tradition of explication of the text, or exegesis, to
deal with various principles that can be applied to the study of Scripture. If the canon of
Scripture is considered as an organic whole, rather than an accumulation of disparate
individual texts written and edited in the course of history, then any interpretation that
contradicts any other part of scripture is not considered to be sound. Biblical
hermeneutics differs from hermeneutics and within traditional Protestant theology, there
are a variety of interpretive formulae. Such formulae are generally not mutually
exclusive, and interpreters may adhere to several of these approaches at once. These
formulae include:

Theological Group of Principles:


* The Election Principle
* The Historical-grammatical principle based on historical, socio-political, . .
geographical, cultural and linguistic / grammatical context
* The Dispensation Principle or The Chronometrical Principle: "During different
periods of time, God has chosen to deal in a particular way with man in respect to
sin and man's responsibility."
* The Covenantal Principle: "We differentiate between the various contracts that God
has made with his people; specifically their provisions, their parties and their
purposes."
* The Ethnic Division Principle: "The word of truth is rightly divided in relation to the
three classes which it treats, i.e. Jews, Gentiles and the Church."
* The Breach Principle: Interpretation of a certain verse or passage in Scripture is
aided by a consideration of certain breaches, either breaches of promise or
breaches of time.
* The Christo-Centric Principle: "The mind of deity is eternally centered in Christ. All
angelic thought and ministry are centered in Christ. All Satanic hatred and subtlety
are centered at Christ. All human hopes are, and human occupations should be,
centered in Christ. The whole material universe in creation is centered in Christ. The
entire written word is centered in Christ."
* The Moral Principle
* The Discriminational Principle: "We should divide the word of truth so as to make a
distinction where God makes a difference."
* The Predictive Principle
* The Application Principle: "An application of truth may be made only after the
correct interpretation has been made"
* The Principle of Human Willingness in Illumination
* The Context Principle: "God gives light upon a subject through either near or
remote passages bearing upon the same subject."

Sub-divided Context/Mention Principles:

* The First Mention Principle: "God indicates in the first mention of a subject the truth
with which that subject stands connected in the mind of God."
* The Progressive Mention Principle: "God makes the revelation of any given truth
increasingly clear as the word proceeds to its consummation."
* The Comparative Mention Principle
* The Full Mention Principle or The Complete Mention Principle: "God declares his full mind
upon any subject vital to our spiritual life."
* The Agreement Principle: "The truthfulness and faithfulness of God become the
guarantee
that he will not set forth any passage in his word that contradicts any other
passage."
* The Direct Statement Principle: "God says what he means and means what he says."
* The Gap Principle: "God, in the Jewish Scriptures, ignores certain periods of time, leaping
over them without comment."
* The Threefold Principle: "The word of God sets forth the truths of salvation in a
three-fold way: past - justification; present -sanctification/transformation; future -
glorification/consummation."
* The Repetition Principle: "God repeats some truth or subject already given,
generally with the addition of details not before given."
* The Synthetic Principle
* The Principle of Illustrative Mention
* The Double Reference Principle

Figures of Speech Group of Principles:

* The Numerical Principle
* The Symbolic Principle
* The Typical Principle: "Certain people, events, objects and rituals found in the Old
Testament may serve as object lessons and pictures by which God teaches us of his grace
and saving power."
* The Parabolic Principle
* The Allegorical Principle

Techniques of hermeneutics

In the interpretation of a text, hermeneutics considers the original medium as well as
what language says, supposes, doesn't say, and implies. The process consists of several
steps for best attaining the Scriptural author's intended meaning(s).

1. Lexical-syntactical analysis: This step looks at the words used and the way the words
are used. Different order of the sentence, the punctuation, the tense of the verse are all
aspects that are looked at in the lexical syntactical method. Here, lexicons and grammar
aids can help in extracting meaning from the text.

2. Historical/cultural analysis: The history and culture surrounding the authors is
important to understand to aid in interpretation. For instance, understanding the Jewish
sects of the Palestine and the government that ruled Palestine in New Testament times
increases understanding of Scripture. And, understanding the connotations of positions
such as the High Priest and that of the tax collector helps us know what others thought of
the people holding these positions.

3. Contextual analysis: A verse out of context can often be taken to mean something
completely different from the intention. This method focuses on the importance of
looking at the context of a verse in its chapter, book and even biblical context.

4. Theological analysis: It is often said that a single verse usually doesn't make a
theology. This is because Scripture often touches on issues in several books. For
instance, gifts of the Spirit are spoken about in Romans, Ephesians and 1 Corinthians.
To take a verse from Corinthians without taking into account other passages that deal
with the same topic can cause a poor interpretation.

5. Special literary analysis: There are several special literary aspects to look at, but the
overarching theme is that each genre of Scripture has a different set of rules that applies
to it. Of the genres found in Scripture, there are: narratives, histories, prophecies,
apocalyptic writings, poetry, psalms and letters. In these, there are differing levels of
allegory, figurative language, metaphors, similes and literal language. For instance, the
apocalyptic writings and poetry have more figurative and allegorical language than does
the narrative or historical writing. These must be addressed, and the genre recognized to
gain a full understanding of the intended meaning.

Howard Hendricks, longtime professor of hermeneutics at Dallas Theological Seminary,
set out the method of observing the text, interpreting the text, applying the text in his
book, Living By the Book. Other major Christian teachers, such as Chuck Swindoll, who
wrote the foreword, Kay Arthur and David Jeremiah have based their hermeneutics on
the principles Howard teaches.

David L. Barr states there are three obstacles that stand in the way of correctly
interpreting the biblical writings: 1) We speak a different language, 2) We live
approximately two millennia later, and 3) We bring different significantly different
[literary] expectations to the text.

Roman Catholic principles of hermeneutics (see article)

The Catholic Encyclopedia lists a number of principles guiding Roman Catholic
hermeneutics in the article on Exegesis: * Historico-grammatical interpretation , *
Catholic interpretation - , * Reverence - , * Inerrancy - , * Patristics -

Trajectory hermeneutics (see article)

Trajectory hermeneutics or redemptive-movement hermeneutics is a hermeneutical
approach that seeks to locate varying 'voices' in the text and to view this voice as a
progressive trajectory through history (or at least through the Biblical witness); often a
trajectory that progresses through to the present day. The contemporary reader of
Scripture is in some way envisaged by the Biblical text as standing in continuity with a
developing theme therein. The reader, then, is left to discern this trajectory and
appropriate it accordingly. [good example in article left out of this post].

See also (These are clickable Links Below):



External links
(These are clickable Links Below):

* Biblical Interpretation and Application Reading Room. Extensive online resources for
contemporary biblical hermeneutics (Tyndale Seminary)

*
Issues in Hermeneutics by Prof. Herman C. Hanko

*
Bibliology and Hermeneutics Course featuring audio and video resources from an
Evangelical perspective

*
Basic Rules for New Testament Exegesis

*
Rev.Dr. Jose Puthenveed ,"Psybible Interpretation of The Bible Passages through tools
of Psychology " A Website Interpreting Biblical passages ( Sunday Homlies) using
Psychlogy and Biblical scholarship, Website

*
BiblicalStudies.org.uk Offers detailed bibliographies and numerous scholarly articles on
various aspects of biblical hermeneutics.

*Hermeneutics - A Guide To Basic Bible Interpretation, By Darryl M. Erkel
(Evangelical)

Dear friends,
The number one hermeneutic issue (controversy) that divides people from the Church (Orthodox Church) is the Filioque doctrine. The Bible is against the Filioque doctrine (see John 15:26), and the Orthodox Church supports the teaching of the Bible. Roman Catholicism, Lutheranism, Presbyterianism, and some other Protestant denominations, support the Filioque dogma.
See more on this matter on wikipedia.
see: http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque
God bless you. In June 2011 AD Erie PA USA Scott R. Harrington

 

zone

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Scott: You don't need to always re-post the original message unless you are referring to
something specific therein. Refraining keeps the thread a bit more readable / bearable.
I don't disagree with your issue, but the very article you site tends to fend off most issues
and concerns, at least in a formal sense. I am not a practicing Catholic (or Protestant) so
I don't know first hand if it is still an issue or not. Certainly a Hermeneutic approach
would/does not support it, but it seems according to the article that everyone already
knows that! :)

Zone: I am a relatively new member to this Christian Chat site. In my reading of the
forums, and in discussions in chat I was getting confused. There is a wide ranging
audience/member set here. In both reading and responding to forum posts I found
myself getting confused, frustrated and sometimes a bit worried. I was compelled to
review the fundamentals and decided to share the concept of Hermeneutics here with/for
all.

In particular, this week I found myself responding in a sort of simplistic
(fundamental?? root?) way to an excellent forum topic on the seven candlesticks of God:

this is the link:
(http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/26321-seven-candlesticks-god.html)

After my initial response, I was moved to research the topic more, with an exegetical
approach. I ended up writing a sort of thesis paper on the subject and thought -- oh - this
again -- I should really share the approach. I still have not posted the reply, as I believe
the spirit needs time to work in me. It's a great topic, and we would value your insight
should you care to consider it and post there. This (christianchat.com) site is a great
opportunity to spark new study ideas and to get insight from others as well.

As to my general approach it is summed below:

Medieval Christian interpretations of text incorporated exegesis into a fourfold mode that
emphasized the distinction between the letter and the spirit of the text. This schema was
based on the various ways of interpreting the text utilized by the Patristic writers.

1) The literal sense (sensus historicus) of Scripture denotes what the text states or
reports directly.

2) The allegorical sense (sensus allegoricus) explains the text with regard to the doctrinal
content of church dogma, so that each literal element has a symbolic meaning, see also
Typology (theology).

3) The moral application of the text to the individual reader or hearer is the third sense,
the sensus tropologicus or sensus moralis,

4)
The secret metaphysical and eschatological knowledge, or gnosis drawn out of the text
from the implicit allusions it contains
, the sensus anagogicus, a fourth level of meaning.


A similar fourfold categorization is also found in Rabbinic writings. The fourfold
categorizations are:

1) Peshat (simple interpretation),
2) Remez (allusion),
3) Derash (interpretive), and
4) Sod (secret/mystical).

It is uncertain whether or not the Rabbinic division of interpretation pre-dates the
Patristic version. The medieval period saw the growth of many new categories of Rabbinic
interpretation and explanation of the Torah, including the emergence of Kabbalah ... (the
above taken and paraphrased from: Hermeneutics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).

This does not discuss exegesis per se in terms of tying references and allusion, but that is for another day.

... and since you had the inquisitiveness to ask - it may be said ... this day, you are with me
in P.R.D.S.
:) Regards, Digital_Angel_316
 

zone

Senior Member
Jun 13, 2010
27,214
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Zone: I am a relatively new member to this Christian Chat site. In my reading of the

In particular, this week I found myself responding in a sort of simplistic
(fundamental?? root?) way to an excellent forum topic on the seven candlesticks of God:

this is the link:
(http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/26321-seven-candlesticks-god.html)

As to my general approach it is summed below:

Medieval Christian interpretations of text incorporated exegesis into a fourfold mode that
emphasized the distinction between the letter and the spirit of the text. This schema was
based on the various ways of interpreting the text utilized by the Patristic writers.

1) The literal sense (sensus historicus) of Scripture denotes what the text states or
reports directly.

2) The allegorical sense (sensus allegoricus) explains the text with regard to the doctrinal
content of church dogma, so that each literal element has a symbolic meaning, see also
Typology (theology).

3) The moral application of the text to the individual reader or hearer is the third sense,
the sensus tropologicus or sensus moralis,

4) The secret metaphysical and eschatological knowledge, or gnosis drawn out of the text
from the implicit allusions it contains , the sensus anagogicus, a fourth level of meaning.

... and since you had the inquisitiveness to ask - it may be said ... this day, you are with me
in P.R.D.S. :) Regards, Digital_Angel_316
hi D.A.
interesting.

so regarding the Apocalyptic Book Revelation, which one (or combination of the 4) approaches would you use in understanding the candlesticks?

since the Book is a Book of visions, it uses the symbolism and devices typical of the vision we see throughout scripture.

it also contains historical data, though not in the historical narrative genre of other books.

it most definitley is eschatological as well as historical and symbolic...LOL.

of the 4, perhaps the literal approach is least helpful (not in that the events described symbolically did or are not literal events), rather a 'literal' reading would have us facing a seven headed dragon and a lamb on a throne. obviously we have a lot of problems with that method applied to the Book of Revelation today.

i look forward to your exposition, here i guess? will take another look at the link on candlesticks.

good stuff.
zone.
 
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All four approaches apply:
1) Candlesticks are literal, can you relate to a 'Men Or Ah'? (dividing the word here).

2) Scripture is full of references that apply to seven, candlesticks, spirits of God, Angels and Stars. The references are 'allusion'
(prompting the need for exegesis), the story and representations of figures are allegorical.

3) The Moral Application is sometimes a warning against evil, sometimes a call to righteousness, to awaken the sleeping, quicken
the dead.

4) The Metaphysical, eschatological or gnostic meaning relates to how we apply and foresee the warnings and call. A coming
judgment, a calling out, a call to [spiritual] arms. It is a 'Revelation'. Realize how many people do not know these warnings are
about false Religions and Organizations, the message is hidden to many, and that by design.

DEFINITIONS:

ALLUSION al·lu·sion (
-l
zh
n)n.
1. The act of alluding; indirect reference: Without naming names, the candidate criticized the national leaders by allusion.
2. An instance of indirect reference: an allusion to classical mythology in a poem.
Allude and allusion normally apply to indirect references in which the source is not specifically identified: "Well, we'll always have Paris," he told the travel agent, in an allusion to Casablanca.
1. the act of alluding
2. a passing reference; oblique or obscure mention[from Late Latin allūsiō, from Latin allūdere to sport with, allude]



ALLEGORY al·le·go·ry (
l
-gôr
, -g
r
)
n. pl. al·le·go·ries 1. a. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
b. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby Dick are
allegories.


2. A symbolic representation: The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice.
allegory - definition of allegory by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



MORAL mor·al (môr
l, m
r
-)
adj.1. Of or concerned with the judgment of the goodness or badness of human action and character: moral scrutiny; a moral quandary.
2. Teaching or exhibiting goodness or correctness of character and behavior: a moral lesson.
3. Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.
4. Arising from conscience or the sense of right and wrong: a moral obligation.
5. Having psychological rather than physical or tangible effects: a moral victory; moral support.
6. Based on strong likelihood or firm conviction, rather than on the actual evidence: a moral certainty.

n.1. The lesson or principle contained in or taught by a fable, a story, or an event.
2. A concisely expressed precept or general truth; a maxim.
3. morals Rules or habits of conduct, especially of sexual conduct, with reference to standards of right and wrong: a person of loose
morals; a decline in the public morals.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/moral

GNOSIS [ˈnəʊsɪs] n pl
-ses [-siːz] (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) supposedly revealed knowledge of various spiritual truths, esp that said to have been
possessed by ancient Gnostics
[ultimately from Greek: knowledge, from gignōskein to know]
gnosis - definition of gnosis by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
 
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Unfortunantly this has been streamlined. Havnt you heard? just pray and listen to the Spirit he will and only He can tell you all truth.:(
Although .....if everyone could learn these rational study methods and actually obey His teaching that says He will approve of those who are workmen
rightly dividing the word of truth, then at least id go through less keyboards.:)

Nice post! Thank you.
 
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We share, Obedience is a choice:


Romans 10:16-18



But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world

How long shall we share the gospel?


Ephesians 4: 13-14
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the
stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and
cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
 
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Nice exhortations. Thankyou for the reminder :)
 
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Dare we go into the more esoteric gnosis - (I don't usually, but this is an example of
esoteric gnosis and is described or referenced in the article on Hermeneutics)?

* Some is simple, like the meaning of numbers in the scripture. How many Continents are
there? (Se7en). The Number 7 has numerous references and applications, a good study.

*The number 700 or 7xx in scripture has meaning, it most often relates to whorses and
warses (sic).
Ask and I will post some verses, but for now I leave it to the 'interested student'.


Take Pat Robertson's "700 - CLUB" (please) for instance.

here we delve into the letter game called GEMATRIA (doing this off the top of my head):

if we say that alphabet is numbered 0 -25, then (A = 0, B = 1, C =2 ... Z = 25);

CLUB == 2 + 11 + 20 + 1 == 34
, then 700 - CLUB == 700 - 34 == 666
what is 666 in scripture -- Hint, it appears 3 times (six hundred and three score and six).
Is someone saying something by claiming "700 CLUB"? -- I leave that to you :)

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A more well known Gematria sequence is the (sometimes) Papal Claim of ...
VICARIUS FILII DEI .. VICAR OF THE SONS OF GOD

in Roman Numeral format, I = 1, V = 5, X = 10, L = 50, C = 100, D = 500, M = 1000


By straight addition, and skipping non-Roman Numeral letters, we get:

VICARIUS FILII DEI then is ..
(VICARIUS) -->> (V = 5, I = 1, C = 100, I = 1, U = V = 5) == (5 + 1 + 100 + 1 + 5) == 112
FILII .............-->> (I = 1, L = 50, I = 1, I = 1).................. == (1 + 50 + 1 + 1) ........== 53
DEI ............... -->> (D = 500, I = 1) ................................... == (500 + 1) .................== 501
TOTAL ...................................................................................................................... == 666

I don't often delve into such Gematria but do consider numbers in the Bible to have
deeper meanings than the literal or surface meaning, (and by this , I simply mean the
actual literal numbers used in the Bible). This is a good separate study, maybe a separate
thread.

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For fun, I will finish with one last popular Gematria Name -- ELLEN GOULD WHITE

ELLEN --> (L = 50, L = 50) ..................... == (50 + 50) ......... == 100
GOULD --> (U = V = 5, L = 50, D = 500) .. == (5 + 50 + 500) == 555
WHITE --> (W = V V = 5 + 5, I = 1) ........ == (5 + 5 + 1) ...... == 011
TOTAL .................................................................................... == 666
 
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Dare we go into the more esoteric gnosis - (I don't usually, but this is an example of
esoteric gnosis and is described or referenced in the article on Hermeneutics)?

* Some is simple, like the meaning of numbers in the scripture. How many Continents are
there? (Se7en). The Number 7 has numerous references and applications, a good study.

*The number 700 or 7xx in scripture has meaning, it most often relates to whorses and
warses (sic).
Ask and I will post some verses, but for now I leave it to the 'interested student'.


Take Pat Robertson's "700 - CLUB" (please) for instance.

here we delve into the letter game called GEMATRIA (doing this off the top of my head):

if we say that alphabet is numbered 0 -25, then (A = 0, B = 1, C =2 ... Z = 25);

CLUB == 2 + 11 + 20 + 1 == 34
, then 700 - CLUB == 700 - 34 == 666
what is 666 in scripture -- Hint, it appears 3 times (six hundred and three score and six).
Is someone saying something by claiming "700 CLUB"? -- I leave that to you :)

***********************************************************************
***********************************************************************

A more well known Gematria sequence is the (sometimes) Papal Claim of ...
VICARIUS FILII DEI .. VICAR OF THE SONS OF GOD

in Roman Numeral format, I = 1, V = 5, X = 10, L = 50, C = 100, D = 500, M = 1000


By straight addition, and skipping non-Roman Numeral letters, we get:

VICARIUS FILII DEI then is ..
(VICARIUS) -->> (V = 5, I = 1, C = 100, I = 1, U = V = 5) == (5 + 1 + 100 + 1 + 5) == 112
FILII .............-->> (I = 1, L = 50, I = 1, I = 1).................. == (1 + 50 + 1 + 1) ........== 53
DEI ............... -->> (D = 500, I = 1) ................................... == (500 + 1) .................== 501
TOTAL ...................................................................................................................... == 666

I don't often delve into such Gematria but do consider numbers in the Bible to have
deeper meanings than the literal or surface meaning, (and by this , I simply mean the
actual literal numbers used in the Bible). This is a good separate study, maybe a separate
thread.

***********************************************************************
***********************************************************************
For fun, I will finish with one last popular Gematria Name -- ELLEN GOULD WHITE

ELLEN --> (L = 50, L = 50) ..................... == (50 + 50) ......... == 100
GOULD --> (U = V = 5, L = 50, D = 500) .. == (5 + 50 + 500) == 555
WHITE --> (W = V V = 5 + 5, I = 1) ........ == (5 + 5 + 1) ...... == 011
TOTAL .................................................................................... == 666
I agree with the pope's title and 666 but it must add to 666 in 3 languages. I know that you said it was only for fun, but English letters don't have numerical value so that leaves out Ellen Gould White
 

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I agree with the pope's title and 666 but it must add to 666 in 3 languages. I know that you said it was only for fun, but English letters don't have numerical value so that leaves out Ellen Gould White
Thanks for the Attached file. There is more to be said but you get the idea. Care to share
where else in the Bible we find 666 or six hundred three score and six? I believe there are
two more references.


As to English letters, they use the same values for the Roman Numerals is all.

Again, I would prefer a study (and a different thread) on "Numbers in the Bible and their
Meanings" or some similar title. Here again, the key to this and any study is good and
proper -- HERMENEUTICS (and EXEGESIS -- also a title for another thread).

Additionally, I didn't want to get off point of this thread, just providing simple concepts of
Gematria is all.

We could discuss each of the elements of HERMENEUTICS here if anyone wanted, as ZONE
has begun to delve into the meaning and application of PRDS for example.

PaRaDeS -- PaRDieS (Parties) -- PaRaDiSe


 
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EIGHT RULES (guidelines??) FOR BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION
"And so we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do
well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day
dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. But know this first of all,
that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation."
[2 Peter 1:19,20 NAS]

We can't have a "sure word" about the meaning of Scripture (or anything else) unless
we have a sure method to interpret the words. The following eight rules are the center of
all grammatical interpretation. They have been accepted and used by scholars from
Socrates to the present. While my hope is that they will be used to "rightly divide the
word of truth" of the Holy Bible, they are equally applicable to legal, historical, and other
such language.

Since the Bible teaches that God is not the author of confusion [1 Cor. 14:33], how can
the many disagreements today between Christians and the proliferation of the cults be
explained since all, or nearly all, claim to use the Bible as the basis of their doctrines?
Nearly all false doctrines taught today by Christians and cultists alike can be traced to the
distortion of the meaning of Biblical words. These eight rules are prayerfully offered in the
hope that they may help many come to the truth of what God says in His Word.
"When two interpretations are claimed for a Scripture, the construction
most in agreement with all the facts of the case should be adopted. When
all the facts of an interpretation are in agreement they sound together in
harmony, like notes in a chord.


Biblical interpretation is more than knowing a set of rules, but it cannot
be done without the rules. So, learn the rules, and rightly apply them...."
(Divorce & Remarriage, Minneapolis: Bethany House, 1967)


Here are the eight rules:


1) The rule of DEFINITION: What does the word mean? Any study of Scripture
must begin with a study of words. Define your terms and then keep to the terms defined.
The interpreter should conscientiously abide by the plain meaning of the words. This quite
often may require using a Hebrew/English or Greek/English lexicon in order to make sure
that the sense of the English translation is understood. A couple of good examples of this
are the Greek words "allos" and "heteros". Both are usually translated as "another" in
English - yet "allos" literally means "another of the same type" and "heteros" means
"another of a different type."

2) The rule of USAGE: It must be remembered that the Old Testament was written
originally by, to and for Jews. The words and idioms must have been intelligible to them -
just as the words of Christ when talking to them must have been. The majority of the New
Testament likewise was written in a milieu of Greco-Roman (and to a lesser extent
Jewish) culture and it is important to not impose our modern usage into our
interpretation. It is not worth much to interpret a great many phrases and histories if
one's interpretations are shaded by pre-conceived notions and cultural biases, thereby
rendering an inaccurate and ineffectual lesson.

3) The rule of CONTEXT: The meaning must be gathered from the context. Every
word you read must be understood in the light of the words that come before and after it.
Many passages will not be understood at all, or understood incorrectly, without the help
afforded by the context. A good example of this is the Mormon practice of using 1 Cor.
8:5b: "...for there be gods many and lords many..." as a "proof text" of their doctrine of
polytheism. However, a simple reading of the whole verse in the context of the whole
chapter (e.g. where Paul calls these gods "so-called"), plainly demonstrates that Paul is
not teaching polytheism.

4) The rule of HISTORICAL BACKGROUND: The interpreter must have some
awareness of the life and society of the times in which the Scripture was written. The
spiritual principle will be timeless but often can't be properly appreciated without some
knowledge of the background. If the interpreter can have in his mind what the writer had
in his mind when he wrote - without adding any excess baggage from the interpreter's
own culture or society - then the true thought of the Scripture can be captured resulting
in an accurate interpretation. Oliver Wendell Holmes said, "Our only interest in the past is
for the light it throws upon the present."

5) The rule of LOGIC: Interpretation is merely logical reasoning. When interpreting
Scripture, the use of reason is everywhere to be assumed. Does the interpretation make
sense? The Bible was given to us in the form of human language and therefore appeals to
human reason - it invites investigation. It is to be interpreted as we would any other
volume: applying the laws of language and grammatical analysis. As Bernard Ramm said:

"What is the control we use to weed out false theological speculation? Certainly the
control is logic and evidence... interpreters who have not had the sharpening experience
of logic...may have improper notions of implication and evidence. Too frequently such a
person uses a basis of appeal that is a notorious violation of the laws of logic and
evidence." (Protestant Biblical Interpretation, Boston: W. A. Wilde, 1956)

6) The rule of PRECEDENT: We must not violate the known usage of a word and
invent another for which there is no precedent. Just as a judge's chief occupation is the
study of previous cases, so must the interpreter use precedents in order to determine
whether they really support an alleged doctrine. Consider the Bereans in Acts 17:10-12
who were called "noble" because they searched the Scriptures to determine if what Paul
taught them was true.

7) The rule of UNITY: The parts of Scripture being interpreted must be construed
with reference to the significance of the whole. An interpretation must be consistent with
the rest of Scripture. An excellent example of this is the doctrine of the Trinity. No single
passage teaches it, but it is consistent with the teaching of the whole of Scripture (e.g.
the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are referred to individually as God; yet the
Scriptures elsewhere teach there is only one God).

8) The rule of INFERENCE: An inference is a fact reasonably implied from another
fact. It is a logical consequence. It derives a conclusion from a given fact or premise. It is
the deduction of one proposition from another proposition. Such inferential facts or
propositions are sufficiently binding when their truth is established by competent and
satisfactory evidence. Competent evidence means such evidence as the nature of the
thing to be proved admits. Satisfactory evidence means that amount of proof which
would ordinarily satisfy an unprejudiced mind beyond a reasonable doubt. Jesus used this
rule when he proved the resurrection of the dead to the unbelieving Sadducees in Matt.
22:23-33.

Learning these eight rules and properly applying them will help keep any interpreter
from making errors and will hopefully alleviate many of the disagreements unfortunately
present in Christianity today. However, these eight principles are no substitute for the
Holy Spirit which will, if you let Him, guide you in the truth [John 14:26]. If you receive
Christ into your heart, God will give you the Holy Spirit freely as a gift [Acts 2:38]. I urge
you, if you have not already done so, to examine the claims and the work of Jesus Christ
and to receive Him as your Savior.

"A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of
understanding shall attain unto wise counsels: to understand a proverb,
and the interpretation." [Prov. 1:5,6]


Link -->> Apologetics research resources on religious cults and sects - The Eight Rules of Bible Interpretation