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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowman View Post
    Context explains that these were NOT large people...rather, they were men in authority....i.e the rulers of the day...
    Where do you get this from ?

    It does not say that in the bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowman View Post
    Context explains that these were NOT large people...rather, they were men in authority....i.e the rulers of the day...
    I guess it was metaphor when it is recorded...

    THEY are as TALL AS THE CEDARS....
    OG's BEDSTAND was like 12 foot long....
    Goliath was like 9-10 feet tall
    We are as GRASSHOPPERS in their sight...

    How about just believe the words and verbage used to describe their actual SIZE instead of spiritualizing it away to context which can BE INTERPRETED as GIANT MEN......

    Go to Chicago and get lucky enough to see the SKELETONS of MEN that WERE GIANTS......WHICH are kept hidden from the public.....GOD FORBID something that is found to be shown if it gives credit to the bible....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennethcadwell View Post
    Where do you get this from ?

    It does not say that in the bible.
    It does in the Hebrew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    I guess it was metaphor when it is recorded...

    THEY are as TALL AS THE CEDARS....
    OG's BEDSTAND was like 12 foot long....
    Goliath was like 9-10 feet tall
    We are as GRASSHOPPERS in their sight...

    How about just believe the words and verbage used to describe their actual SIZE instead of spiritualizing it away to context which can BE INTERPRETED as GIANT MEN......

    Go to Chicago and get lucky enough to see the SKELETONS of MEN that WERE GIANTS......WHICH are kept hidden from the public.....GOD FORBID something that is found to be shown if it gives credit to the bible....

    Show us the scripture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bowman View Post
    Show us the scripture.
    You are a big boy....the above 4 statements are found in various form and or verbage....Look it up yourself as I have no problem with the interpretation........!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    You are a big boy....the above 4 statements are found in various form and or verbage....Look it up yourself as I have no problem with the interpretation........!
    NO giants in the Hebrew.

    Try again...

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    Can we say photo-shop...?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanbchristian View Post
    If we remember that gaints are in the Bible from Genesis to David and Goliath, it makes you wonder (How did they survive the flood).
    David was no giant. The oldest biblical manuscripts make him of smaller stature. He grew with the retelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanbchristian
    Was one of Noah's sons a gaint? That would help with building the ark!
    Oh, good! Someone else recognizes the building of the Ark presents a logistics nightmare.

    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanbchristian
    Because gaints were on the Earth from Genesis until they were all killed (which is mentioned somewhere in the Kings or Chronicles area) when what does it make possible?
    You realize there is no physical evidence for giant humans? There are plenty of dinosaur fossil remains but no remains of giant humans. How do you explain that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennethcadwell View Post



    Can you source the photos of these giants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryBe View Post
    Additional info....

    I Enoch (recorded around 160 BC)... says:
    And they became pregnant and bore large giants, and their height was three thousand cubits.
    If my calculations are not too far off I place these giants at about 2.75 miles tall, by Enoch's reckoning. Do you really believe this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal View Post
    I guess it was metaphor when it is recorded...

    THEY are as TALL AS THE CEDARS....
    OG's BEDSTAND was like 12 foot long....
    Goliath was like 9-10 feet tall
    We are as GRASSHOPPERS in their sight...

    How about just believe the words and verbage used to describe their actual SIZE instead of spiritualizing it away....
    We don't need metaphor. There is another explanation to account the large stature. The following is from The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible [1999] by Abegg, Flint, and Ulrich:

    The next passage illustrates how ancient narratives sometimes grew at the hand of narrators or scribes. 4QSam (LXX) gives the height of Goliath as "four cubits" (equaling about six feet), and this is what the original Septuagint, followed by the historian Josephus, also records. Later Septuagint manuscripts read "five cubits," and the Masoretic Text, followed by yet later Septuagint manuscripts, reads "six cubits" (equaling about nine feet). (p. 228).

    So there you have it. The original text gave Goliath a more reasonable, though still large stature for that time, of six feet.
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    The head of Golitah's spear weighed forty pounds and he could throw it how many yards. How far can a 6 foot 280 pound man throw a spear who's tip was forty pounds. Most sledge hammers are less than twenty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry View Post
    The head of Golitah's spear weighed forty pounds and he could throw it how many yards. How far can a 6 foot 280 pound man throw a spear who's tip was forty pounds. Most sledge hammers are less than twenty.
    Now the staff of his spear was like a weaver's beam, and his iron spearhead weighed six hundred shekels (15 pounds); and a shield-bearer went before him. (1 Samuel 17:7)

    Not sure where you saw that the spear point weighed 40 pounds, fifteen is heavy enough. In any case, did you note how Goliath's height increased in the telling. His height grew from 4 cubits, to 5 cubits, to 6 cubits. The original text says he was four cubits (about six feet tall); big enough for the early Iron Age.

    I guess you prefer the later biblical text because it makes for a better story? That’s likely what the scribes who increased his height thought as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcontroversal
    I guess it was metaphor when it is recorded...

    THEY are as TALL AS THE CEDARS....
    OG's BEDSTAND was like 12 foot long....
    Goliath was like 9-10 feet tall
    We are as GRASSHOPPERS in their sight...

    How about just believe the words and verbage used to describe their actual SIZE instead of spiritualizing it away....
    Quote Originally Posted by Cycel View Post
    We don't need metaphor. There is another explanation to account the large stature. The following is from The Dead Sea Scrolls Bible [1999] by Abegg, Flint, and Ulrich:

    The next passage illustrates how ancient narratives sometimes grew at the hand of narrators or scribes. 4QSam (LXX) gives the height of Goliath as "four cubits" (equaling about six feet), and this is what the original Septuagint, followed by the historian Josephus, also records. Later Septuagint manuscripts read "five cubits," and the Masoretic Text, followed by yet later Septuagint manuscripts, reads "six cubits" (equaling about nine feet). (p. 228).

    So there you have it. The original text gave Goliath a more reasonable, though still large stature for that time, of six feet.
    I've been thinking about this further and it occurs to me that the original story may have been a late Bronze Age account. As we are all aware as nutrition improves so does the height individuals reach. Four cubits, or six feet, is not unusual in our own era. Where I work there is a small male staff, only thirteen of us. I am only two inches off six feet myself and most of my male colleagues are about my height; three are shorter but the remaining four are well over six feet. For the scribe of our oldest copy of the story of Goliath (about 163 BC) six feet may well have been a height beyond the norm; but for the late Bronze Age author living in an age of poor nutrition a warrior of six feet may well have been remarkable, particularly if contrasted with a much smaller adversary.

    FACT: The recorded height of Goliath increases from 4 cubits, to 5 cubits, to 6 cubits in successive scribal editions of scripture. Why? The obvious explanation is that as normal stature increased (perhaps as the consequence of improved nutrition) six feet no longer sounded remarkable. To make up the shortcoming of the text some scribe increased Goliath’s height to 5 cubits. Over time, his height was increased to 6 cubits as male stature caught up to the story. Sound reasonable? I think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cycel View Post
    Can you source the photos of these giants?
    National geographic, and other archeologist societies posted these findings.

    Then after posting, national geographic recanted and said they didn't find giant skeletons. And in this recant they had the words of the man that made this photo;


    That it is a fake, but no evidence of the others I posted being fake. The man that made this photo said that at the time this photo came public, government officials were going around confiscating any pictures and papers of written and drawn accounts of what these people saw during digs.

    Plus even though they are not of enormous size as the pictures I posted show. Skeletons in Wisconsin, as well as all over the earth have been found of humanlike beings ranging from 7' to 10' foot tall. Most of these finds have been covered up, and the skeletons confiscated.

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    The reason Goliath's height has been changed in text from 4, 5, to 6 cubits is because scholars could not agree on his height.

    The reason for this is because a cubit is not an exact measurement. It's measurement is used from taking the length of ones arm from their elbow to the tip of the middle finger. Because of the different heights and lengths of people, depending on what person or society their cubic measurement came from made up for different measurements.

    Fact: cubic measurements in/of Egypt, Israel, and other cultures were different lengths.

    Most scholars have determined that the Jews through out history used a measurement of between 20.6 in. to about 25 in.

    Now if you take these measurements into account that would put Goliath anywhere between 6'9" to 12'5" tall.

    The issue of course comes from the different cubic measurements through out time, so even at the smallest cubic of 4 he would still be a person of tall nature.

    20.6 x 4 = 82.4 / 12 = 6. 866666.. ( 6.9 )

    25 x 4 = 100 / 12 = 8.33333..

    Just between these two would make him between almost 7 feet to 8 1/2 feet tall.

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    I believe the Nephilim were real but nowhere near as large as those 'skeletons'. More along the lines of Goliath's height, maybe a little taller. Those photos look fake to me, like clever sculptures for a movie or something. No good comes of posting this nonsense as 'evidence'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennethcadwell View Post
    National geographic, and other archeologist societies posted these findings.

    Then after posting, national geographic recanted and said they didn't find giant skeletons. And in this recant they had the words of the man that made this photo;


    That it is a fake, but no evidence of the others I posted being fake. The man that made this photo said that at the time this photo came public, government officials were going around confiscating any pictures and papers of written and drawn accounts of what these people saw during digs.

    Plus even though they are not of enormous size as the pictures I posted show. Skeletons in Wisconsin, as well as all over the earth have been found of humanlike beings ranging from 7' to 10' foot tall. Most of these finds have been covered up, and the skeletons confiscated.
    None of this makes any sense. Why would anyone want to cover it up? You have to remember that many people who do this research are Christian. They would make it public; and frankly I can't understand why any scientist would want to cover this up.

    I have to do some research on this. I am absolutely certain someone knows were the original photographs are, minus the tiny people; but then the conspiracy theorists would only claim the tiny people had been photo-shopped out. Oh, here's another possibility: the skeletons are regular size but the tiny people really are that tiny. The government is concealing the fact that these munchkins live among us.

    Again, without physical evidence there is no reason to take any of this seriously.

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    Greek Myth - consider this (possibly off topic but still a good concept)

    Zeus and his crew were "the sons of god" The Giants... "Hercules"

    The Greek Myth come from somewhere.... it is most likely from the Bible, but just a complete twisted version...

    I know... totally random.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kennethcadwell View Post
    National geographic, and other archeologist societies posted these findings.

    Then after posting, national geographic recanted and said they didn't find giant skeletons. And in this recant they had the words of the man that made this photo;

    Here's the link to to the story about the hoax. "Skeleton of Giant" Is Internet Photo Hoax

    In the article the creator of the doctored image explains how he made the image. He took 2nd prize in a photo effects contest. Below is the link to the contest page. He was not part of the hoax.

    Archaeological Anomalies 2 - Worth1000 Contests

    The creator of the image, IronKite, made the following remarks:

    "I laugh myself silly when some guy claims to know someone who was there, or even goes so far as to claim that he or she was there when they found the skeleton and took the picture."

    "Sometimes people seem so desperate to believe in something that they lie to themselves, or exaggerate in order to make their own argument stronger."

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