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    Genesis 6:4 says there were gaints on the Earth. If we remember that gaints are in the Bible from Genesis to David and Goliath, it makes you wonder (How did they survive the flood). Was one of Noah's sons a gaint? That would help with building the ark! Because gaints were on the Earth from Genesis until they were all killed (which is mentioned somewhere in the Kings or Chronicles area) when what does it make possible?

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    I BELIEVE THE GIANTS DIED IN THE FLOOD AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE, ACCEPT NOAH AND HIS FAMILY
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    Fallen angels are giants they don't die. The people they bread with died because people do die. Demons need bodies to live in on earth. Demons, fallen angles go get into other bodies.

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    Here is some information I have on the subject...

    The Hebrew word "nephiyl" (H5303) which means giants or nephilim, is only found in two verses:

    Gen 6:4 There were giants5303 in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

    Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants5303, the sons of Anak, [which come] of the giants5303: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


    The term Sons of God is clearly used in the Bible to identify only those who came directly from God (as opposed to being born to man). This would include Angels, Adam, Jesus Christ, and born again Christians. Scripturally 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven were thrown from Heaven with Satan in his rebellion. While angels are said to "never marry" in heaven, they are capable of doing human things such as eating (with Abraham, for example) and that the men in Sodom had sexual ideas about them (at Lots house).

    God told Adam and Eve that her seed would crush the head of Satan, so this was Satans attempt to mess with the seed of man and make it "polluted" with unnatural offspring (the Nephilium). It is also mentioned in the Bible that the flood was necessary because these Nephilium were in the land and notes that Noah ancestry was pure. Later God ordered the Israelites to kill (including their animals) did include Giants such as Goliath. We also know that there are some fallen angels that God even now has chained in the deepest pit rather than waiting on judgement.
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    All the giants were destroyed in the flood. However, after the flood, there was a SECOND irruption of fallen angels procreating with women and therefore giants were once again in the land. The second irruption as stated in Gen 6:4, "and also after that", is after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the flood.

    Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

    Both the first rebellion and the second were Satan's attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman, i.e. the lineage leading to Christ. As soon as it was known that Christ was to come through Abraham, the aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan before Abraham and fight against it's occupation by his seed. When Abraham entered Canaan, the giants were already in the land.

    Gen 12:6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
    Abraham and his seed were attacked. The second influx of giants were mostly confined to Canaan and were known as "the nations of Canaan". The sword of Israel was necessary for the destruction of them. They were to be cut off and driven out, and utterly destroyed.

    Deut 20:
    16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
    17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

    Israel failed in this. The giants were finally utterly destroyed by the four kings under Chedorlaomer.

    Gen 14:
    5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
    6 And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto El-paran, which is by the wilderness.
    7 And they returned, and came to En-mishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites that dwelt in Hazezon- tamar.
    8 And there went out the king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar and they joined battle with them in the vale of Siddim;
    9 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.

    The names of the clans of giants are named here: Gen 15:19-21 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga****es, and the Jebusites.

    The giants are also translated as "dead" or "deceased". They have no resurrection.

    Isaiah 26:13 O LORD our God, other lords besides thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
    14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

    The angels which kept not their first estate and went after women are now held in chains of darkness. Their progeny have all been utterly destroyed. The line to our Savior was preserved and He has suffered, died and is risen so that all who believe in Him have hope of eternal life. Satan (and his minions) has failed and will fail in all his attempts to change the purposes of God.
    2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains [pits] of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
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    Numbers 13:32,33:
    “All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim
    there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim).”

    Deuteronomy 2:10-12 records:
    “The Emites used to live there (Moab) - a people strong and numerous,
    and as tall as the Anakites. Like the Anakites, they too were considered
    Rephaites, but the Moabites called them Emites. Horites used to live in Seir,
    but he descendants of Esau drove them out.”

    Rephaites was the general name for people like the Anakites, Emites, Horites. In Deuteronomy 2:20 they are called Zamzummites by the Ammonites:
    “That too (region of Moab at Ar) was considered a land of the Rephaites,
    who used to live there; but the Ammonites called them Zamzummites.
    They were a people as numerous, and as tall as the Anakites.”

    The Greeks who settle in Philistia (coming from Caphtorites) and became known as the Philistines destroyed a group known as the Avvites in Deuteronomy 2:23.
    Emites , Anakites, Horites, Zamzummites, Avvites where all considered to be descendents of Rephaites which is another name for Nephilim since it says “the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim.”
    Goliath, who was more than 9 feet tall, was a Rephaite.1 Sam 17:4, Sam. 21:19; 1 Chron. 20:5.
    Rapha was one of the ancestors of this distinct group known as the Rephaites: 2 Sm. 21:16, 18, 20, 22; 1 Chron. 20:4, 6, 8.

    King Og reigned over the territory of Ashtaroth and Edrei in Bashan. He had a bed that was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. (Deut. 3:1-11)
    “Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites.
    His bed was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide.”

    David’s men dealt with four other descendants of Rapha:
    Ishbi-Benob who had a bronze spearhead that weighed 7 1/2 pounds (2 Sam. 21:16)
    A huge Rephaite with 12 fingers and 12 toes (2 Sam.21:20)
    Lahmi, Goliath’s brother, who had a spear like a shaft of a weaver’s rod (1 Chron. 20:5)
    An Egyptian who was 7 1/2 feet tall (1 Chron. 11:22-23)

    There have been skeletons excavated in Palestine that are 3.2 meters or10 1/2 feet!!
    (New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis, 1997, p.678)

    Here is a quote from the Jewish historian Josephus who wrote around 70-90 AD:

    “For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shewn to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other me.” (Antiquities ch. II vs 3)

    Hope that helped!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryBe View Post
    Here is some information I have on the subject...

    The Hebrew word "nephiyl" (H5303) which means giants or nephilim, is only found in two verses:

    Gen 6:4 There were giants5303 in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

    Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants5303, the sons of Anak, [which come] of the giants5303: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.


    The term Sons of God is clearly used in the Bible to identify only those who came directly from God (as opposed to being born to man). This would include Angels, Adam, Jesus Christ, and born again Christians. Scripturally 1/3 of the Angels in Heaven were thrown from Heaven with Satan in his rebellion. While angels are said to "never marry" in heaven, they are capable of doing human things such as eating (with Abraham, for example) and that the men in Sodom had sexual ideas about them (at Lots house).

    God told Adam and Eve that her seed would crush the head of Satan, so this was Satans attempt to mess with the seed of man and make it "polluted" with unnatural offspring (the Nephilium). It is also mentioned in the Bible that the flood was necessary because these Nephilium were in the land and notes that Noah ancestry was pure. Later God ordered the Israelites to kill (including their animals) did include Giants such as Goliath. We also know that there are some fallen angels that God even now has chained in the deepest pit rather than waiting on judgement.
    ************************************************** **********************
    More info…
    All the giants were destroyed in the flood. However, after the flood, there was a SECOND irruption of fallen angels procreating with women and therefore giants were once again in the land. The second irruption as stated in Gen 6:4, "and also after that", is after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the flood.

    Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

    Both the first rebellion and the second were Satan's attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman, i.e. the lineage leading to Christ. As soon as it was known that Christ was to come through Abraham, the aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan before Abraham and fight against it's occupation by his seed. When Abraham entered Canaan, the giants were already in the land.

    Gen 12:6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.
    Abraham and his seed were attacked. The second influx of giants were mostly confined to Canaan and were known as "the nations of Canaan". The sword of Israel was necessary for the destruction of them. They were to be cut off and driven out, and utterly destroyed.

    Deut 20:
    16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:
    17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

    Israel failed in this. The giants were finally utterly destroyed by the four kings under Chedorlaomer.

    Gen 14:
    5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
    6 And the Horites in their mount Seir, unto El-paran, which is by the wilderness.
    7 And they returned, and came to En-mishpat, which is Kadesh, and smote all the country of the Amalekites, and also the Amorites that dwelt in Hazezon- tamar.
    8 And there went out the king of Sodom, and the king of Gomorrah, and the king of Admah, and the king of Zeboiim, and the king of Bela (the same is Zoar and they joined battle with them in the vale of Siddim;
    9 With Chedorlaomer the king of Elam, and with Tidal king of nations, and Amraphel king of Shinar, and Arioch king of Ellasar; four kings with five.

    The names of the clans of giants are named here: Gen 15:19-21 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga****es, and the Jebusites.

    The giants are also translated as "dead" or "deceased". They have no resurrection.

    Isaiah 26:13 O LORD our God, other lords besides thee have had dominion over us: but by thee only will we make mention of thy name.
    14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.

    The angels which kept not their first estate and went after women are now held in chains of darkness. Their progeny have all been utterly destroyed. The line to our Savior was preserved and He has suffered, died and is risen so that all who believe in Him have hope of eternal life. Satan (and his minions) has failed and will fail in all his attempts to change the purposes of God.
    2Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains [pits] of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

    Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
    ************************************************** **************************
    More info…
    Numbers 13:32,33:
    “All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim
    there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim).”

    Deuteronomy 2:10-12 records:
    “The Emites used to live there (Moab) - a people strong and numerous,
    and as tall as the Anakites. Like the Anakites, they too were considered
    Rephaites, but the Moabites called them Emites. Horites used to live in Seir,
    but he descendants of Esau drove them out.”

    Rephaites was the general name for people like the Anakites, Emites, Horites. In Deuteronomy 2:20 they are called Zamzummites by the Ammonites:
    “That too (region of Moab at Ar) was considered a land of the Rephaites,
    who used to live there; but the Ammonites called them Zamzummites.
    They were a people as numerous, and as tall as the Anakites.”

    The Greeks who settle in Philistia (coming from Caphtorites) and became known as the Philistines destroyed a group known as the Avvites in Deuteronomy 2:23.
    Emites , Anakites, Horites, Zamzummites, Avvites where all considered to be descendents of Rephaites which is another name for Nephilim since it says “the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim.”
    Goliath, who was more than 9 feet tall, was a Rephaite.1 Sam 17:4, Sam. 21:19; 1 Chron. 20:5.
    Rapha was one of the ancestors of this distinct group known as the Rephaites: 2 Sm. 21:16, 18, 20, 22; 1 Chron. 20:4, 6, 8.

    King Og reigned over the territory of Ashtaroth and Edrei in Bashan. He had a bed that was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide. (Deut. 3:1-11)
    “Only Og king of Bashan was left of the remnant of the Rephaites.
    His bed was more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide.”

    David’s men dealt with four other descendants of Rapha:
    Ishbi-Benob who had a bronze spearhead that weighed 7 1/2 pounds (2 Sam. 21:16)
    A huge Rephaite with 12 fingers and 12 toes (2 Sam.21:20)
    Lahmi, Goliath’s brother, who had a spear like a shaft of a weaver’s rod (1 Chron. 20:5)
    An Egyptian who was 7 1/2 feet tall (1 Chron. 11:22-23)

    There have been skeletons excavated in Palestine that are 3.2 meters or10 1/2 feet!!
    (New International Dictionary of Old Testament Theology and Exegesis, 1997, p.678)

    Here is a quote from the Jewish historian Josephus who wrote around 70-90 AD:

    “For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shewn to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other me.” (Antiquities ch. II vs 3)

    Hope that helped!

    God Bless.
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    Seems the more you learn it just still is freaky huh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveschild View Post
    Fallen angels are giants they don't die. The people they bread with died because people do die. Demons need bodies to live in on earth. Demons, fallen angles go get into other bodies.
    wrong, fallen angels are fallen angels. the OFFSPRING of the fallen angels with human women are (or were) GIANTS..

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    Quote Originally Posted by damombomb View Post
    I BELIEVE THE GIANTS DIED IN THE FLOOD AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE, ACCEPT NOAH AND HIS FAMILY
    that is correct, however, their spirits linger on earth because they were part angel, part human and we call them DEMONS. people need to do their homework on this.. demons and fallen angels are not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveschild View Post
    Seems the more you learn it just still is freaky huh.
    It very definitely is.... always makes me wonder about the connection between these "men of reknown, heroes of old" and the ancient gods of the pyramids, the Incas and other ancient civilations that seems to have had advanced technoligies.
    And of course there were the Greek Titans. If I remember right, according to Greek mythology...weren't the Titans gods that had children with mortals giving birth to Zeus, Hercules, Atlas, etc.... and then the Titans were eternally imprisoned for some reason?. (I may be wrong about that, but it seems like thats what I remember.) I do know Hercules and Atlas were both recorded as giants.

    Amazing when you can see how God's word and world history seems to come together so neatly at times.

    It is still freaky tho...lol.
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    Angels do not procreate. However, whoever said they "possess" bodies I agree with.

    The 6th day creation of male and females were created.

    Gen 1:26
    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

    What is God's image? The "us" are immortal. The "us" are all knowledge. The "uus" are all powerful. The "us" are present in all places at all times. They are spirits and they are flesh. They are love.

    The 6th day males and females were told to procreate. Angels do not procreate. The number God created in the beginning is the same nunber they are now. They do not procreate nor do they die.

    So who are the giants? Are they the 6th day male and females? Are they the Nephelims? Are these 6th day peoples mated with Adam and Eve's offsprings? Why after the flood would there still be giants?

    Noah was the only righteous man on the planet. Why? Because his bloodline was pure back to Adam and Eve and Christ's bloodline had to also go back to Adam and Eve. The scriptures do not tell us if Noah's wife, their sons and daughter-in-laws were also pure blooded or if they carried DNA of the mixed breeds.

    And for the obvious question of where did these 6th day male and females and their offspring go during and after the flood? They were created immortal, all powerful and all knowledge as in the likeness of God. I believe these came back to earth to build the great wonders of the earth and then they left us here as they went galaxy hopping around the universes. LOL

    Seriously, who knows without guessing or coming up with some fantastic science fiction tale. That is all my story is, just one big imagination. Do you suppose this would make a top dollar movie? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by damombomb View Post
    I BELIEVE THE GIANTS DIED IN THE FLOOD AS WELL AS EVERYONE ELSE, ACCEPT NOAH AND HIS FAMILY
    Where did Goliath and his brothers come from then?

    Clearly they did not all die in the flood because the flood was not global.

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    The sons of God are those who followed God Seth's line in Genesis 5, The daughters of men are those who did not follow God Cain's line in Genesis 5. These chapters tell us 2 different lines then chapter 6 tells that they married into each other and it caused the people to become like Cain's people.

    Also the Bible teaches us that man has decreased not increased, look at how long people lived for they all lived for hundreds of years so they would have all been giants and because Noah and his family were the only ones to survive the flood then that shows that they were all giants.


    Genesis 7:23
    (23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Laodicea View Post
    The sons of God are those who followed God Seth's line in Genesis 5, The daughters of men are those who did not follow God Cain's line in Genesis 5. These chapters tell us 2 different lines then chapter 6 tells that they married into each other and it caused the people to become like Cain's people.

    Also the Bible teaches us that man has decreased not increased, look at how long people lived for they all lived for hundreds of years so they would have all been giants and because Noah and his family were the only ones to survive the flood then that shows that they were all giants.


    Genesis 7:23
    (23) And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.


    Cains line is in Genesis 4 and Seth's line is in Genesis 5 and the 2 come together in chapter 6

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    *The interpretation that the Sons of God are the offspring of any man (including Adam or Seth) is not consistent with the use of the term in the rest of the Old Testament and therefore not hermeneutically correct. This term is consistently used to refer to one directly from God, and not one born to man (except those reborn in Christ as Sons of God).

    If the Hebrew phrase “sons of God” is interpreted the way it is in other Old Testament verses, it means “angels.” It is the same word we see in Job 1:6 and Job 38:7:
    “One day the angels (the same Hebrew word earlier translated as “sons of God”) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came with them.” (Job 1:6)
    “And all the angels (“sons of God”) shouted for joy.” (Job 38:7)

    Nephilim- (Hebrew: “nepilim”) “The term itself almost certainly means ‘fallen ones,’ whether morally fallen in the general sense or fallen from (i.e., cast out of) heaven in a more specific sense.


    *Also, the Nephilim being the offspring of Seth does not make sense when considering the descriptions of the Nephilim.


    Heroes- (Hebrew: “gibbor” or “gibborim”) and is translated as “mighty men” in 2 Sam. 23:8.
    The LXX (Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew scriptures around 250 BC) translates “gibbor” with the Greek word “gigas” or “gigantes” (“giant”) in:
    Gen.10:8-9,1 Chr. 1:10, Ps. 19:5,6, Ps. 33:16, Isa. 3:2, Isa. 13:3, Isa. 49:24-25, Ezek. 32:12; 32:21, 27; 39:18, 20


    Nephilim is used in the Hebrew in Numbers 13:32,33:

    “All the people we saw there are of great size. We saw the Nephilim


    there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim).”



    But the following does make sense and is scripturally consistent....




    To compound the problems on earth, mankind had to endure one of Satan’s greatest attacks on God’s plan. In the Garden of Eden, God said to Satan:
    “I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring (“seed”) and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.” (Genesis 3:15)
    Satan knows a man will eventually be born with the power to defeat him. Therefore, during the second dispensation, Satan attempted to corrupt the bloodline of humanity by infiltrating it with evil seed. If the seed from fallen angels could mix with the bloodline of the human race, mankind would be rendered incapable of producing a savior as promised in the garden. In order to prevent his head from being crushed by the seed of a woman, Satan may have tried to corrupt her seed so the Messiah could not be born. This might explain what we read in Genesis 6:
    “When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.” (Genesis 6:1, 2)
    The Nephilim
    In Genesis 6:4, we read:
    “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days – and also afterward – when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.”
    . The Bible says the Nephilim were legends; their abilities and accomplishments made them well-known heroes. Greek mythology is probably based on these same legends, recording stories of “the gods” and the “sons of the gods.”

    This strange angelic mixing with human blood would cause some strange offspring called “nephilim” who would be super-human because they would be more than human. Still today we hear about them from Greek mythology. It says they were on the earth after the flood—which would explain the references to super-humans (giants) in Genesis through Deuteronomy and again in I Samuel (Goliath and his four giant brothers).

    So why is this idea often rejected today in our western world? Because we are a secular and materialistic culture. Our culture has a hard enough time coming to grips with the concept of prayer let alone the nephilim. We have been born into a spiritual war against a band of rebel angels whose destiny is the Lake of Fire. Chances are they take this whole human history thing a lot more serious than we do.
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    A very interesting discussion.
    Ive enjoyed reading and learning.
    It does explain alot, and yes, very freaky!

    God bless.
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    Hi Pickles, love your pic.
    if what the bible says doesnt suit you, just start a thread and soon many will agree,
    this helps take the difficulty out of self deception alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abiding View Post
    Hi Pickles, love your pic.
    Thankyou!
    Its a painting I did years ago.

    God bless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverwind View Post
    wrong, fallen angels are fallen angels. the OFFSPRING of the fallen angels with human women are (or were) GIANTS..


    The humans were average size. The fallen angels were much bigger=giants. Takes a giant to make a giant. Just little thought sometimes helps. Fallen angels are demons and evil human spirits which are in lots of people are evil spirits.

    Hope this helps. Kinda like the stories in the bible of people seeing the giants and saying they were grasshoppers next to them. Two humans have a baby of regular size not giant sized people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GloryBe View Post
    It very definitely is.... always makes me wonder about the connection between these "men of reknown, heroes of old" and the ancient gods of the pyramids, the Incas and other ancient civilations that seems to have had advanced technoligies.
    And of course there were the Greek Titans. If I remember right, according to Greek mythology...weren't the Titans gods that had children with mortals giving birth to Zeus, Hercules, Atlas, etc.... and then the Titans were eternally imprisoned for some reason?. (I may be wrong about that, but it seems like thats what I remember.) I do know Hercules and Atlas were both recorded as giants.

    Amazing when you can see how God's word and world history seems to come together so neatly at times.

    It is still freaky tho...lol.

    Yha I been thinking about that too. If the stories were all real except they left the parts out that they were evil giants. The giants, fallen angels still would have had their powers like they still do today. We'll like David and take the giants down.<smile>

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    Quote Originally Posted by WomanLovesTX View Post
    Angels do not procreate. However, whoever said they "possess" bodies I agree with.

    The 6th day creation of male and females were created.

    Gen 1:26
    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

    What is God's image? The "us" are immortal. The "us" are all knowledge. The "uus" are all powerful. The "us" are present in all places at all times. They are spirits and they are flesh. They are love.

    The 6th day males and females were told to procreate. Angels do not procreate. The number God created in the beginning is the same nunber they are now. They do not procreate nor do they die.

    So who are the giants? Are they the 6th day male and females? Are they the Nephelims? Are these 6th day peoples mated with Adam and Eve's offsprings? Why after the flood would there still be giants?

    Noah was the only righteous man on the planet. Why? Because his bloodline was pure back to Adam and Eve and Christ's bloodline had to also go back to Adam and Eve. The scriptures do not tell us if Noah's wife, their sons and daughter-in-laws were also pure blooded or if they carried DNA of the mixed breeds.

    And for the obvious question of where did these 6th day male and females and their offspring go during and after the flood? They were created immortal, all powerful and all knowledge as in the likeness of God. I believe these came back to earth to build the great wonders of the earth and then they left us here as they went galaxy hopping around the universes. LOL

    Seriously, who knows without guessing or coming up with some fantastic science fiction tale. That is all my story is, just one big imagination. Do you suppose this would make a top dollar movie? LOL

    The point that needs to be thought on is the angels in heaven don't have babies. The fallen angels were kicked out of heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishAussie View Post
    Where did Goliath and his brothers come from then?

    Clearly they did not all die in the flood because the flood was not global.
    The flood was global. That was the whole point of the flood.
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