Dominionism and the NAR

zone · Jul 1, 2011

Cindy Jacobs: Self-Proclaimed Prophetess to the Nations

Posted on July 11, 2010 by Chrystal Whitt
C. Peter Wagner’s New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) has a lot of movers and shakers and sometimes it can be hard to keep track of them all. One who deserves an honorable mention is Cindy Jacobs, self-proclaimed prophetess to the nations.

Jacobs, who’s General’s International website is a bastion of Dominionist rhetoric, is probably the main “prophetess” of the NAR’s Dominionist movement, or claims to be at any rate.

So, who is Cindy Jacobs, really? Click on the video and watch Cindy Jacobs relay how she decided she wanted to see a seraphim, but when God flooded her bedroom with fire, she got scared and covered her head with her covers. Wouldn’t you know it? She missed it!

The rest of the video shows Jacobs channeling an anointed healing cloud and breaking generational curses. She supposedly breaks witchcraft curses and idolatry in people’s bloodlines. I know, it sounds absurd, and you and I know that it is. However, Cindy Jacobs is a global trekker and teaches this craziness to hundreds of thousands of people world wide, despite the fact that none of it can be found in God’s Word. But, then again, this movement doesn’t preach God’s Word, they preach Dominionism. HUGE DIFFERENCE!

http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2010/07/11/cindy-jacobs-self-proclaimed-prophetess-to-the-nations/

Scotth1960 · Jul 1, 2011

Dear Zone, The following link to Dominionism contains a serious error (mistake) regarding amillennialism. It wrongly states that amillennialism does not believe in the bodily return of Jesus Christ to rule and to judge. Amillennialism denies there will be a future 1000 year rule of Christ from Jerusalem, but that when Christ returns, He will judge all people who have ever lived, and then He will reign forever with His Church in Heaven, while the impenitent will not go to Heaven. It just denies premillennialism; it doesn't deny the second coming of Christ or the future rule of Christ in Eternity, not just 1000 years.
Thus, it (he or she: Sandy Simpson) misrepresents the amillennial teaching. In Erie PA July 1, 2011 AD Scott R. Harrington

zone said:

zone · Jul 1, 2011

Scotth1960 said:

thank you very much scott.
that is a terrible misrepresentation of amillennialism. i had not seen it.

again, thanks for making the correction, as amillennialism is already so poorly misrepresented, as we know.

the intention and focus is on Jacobs and the NAR, i wasn't watching for the apologist's eschatology.

this is a good time to make a general disclaimer for this thread:

I DO NOT AFFIRM OR UPHOLD THE THEOLOGY OF SOURCES CITED IN THIS THREAD, EXAMINING THEM INDIVUDALLY IS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS THREAD, though i may comment and most certainly hope we will all make note of anything not lining up, as Scott has done.

THE INTENTION OF THIS THREAD IS TO HELP PEOPLE FAMILIARIZE THEMSELVES WITH THIS GROUP (NAR).

further investigation and research is up to each as they see fit.
i owe you one Scotty

zone · Jul 1, 2011

NYC Intercessors and the USSPN join with Skull and Bones Pastor to Pray for NYS

By truthspeaker
I am grieved as I write this post. Some of the people involved in this upcoming event are known by me personally. I am writing this as a warning to those sincere Christians who are unknowingly linking themselves up with occult practices!

It has recently come to my attention through an email invitation that NYC Intercessors is joining up with Peter Wagner’s USSPN to pray for all 50 states. The prayer time for NYS is this week. They are culminating this prayer initiative with a meeting at Faith Exchange Fellowship in lower Manhattan.
Unfortunately, there are several things wrong with this. Firstly it’s total dominionsim, which is unbiblical. Secondly it is being promoted by Cindy Jacobs, calling for the nation to repent. The first thought that ran through my mind was “maybe if those who call themselves prophets repented for all the things they said in the name of God that never happened then something might happen”!
Cindy Jacobs in her letter to the intercessors never mentions the name of Jesus. She also plagiarized president Lincoln with this statement used with out quotes, writing as if these are her own words:
“Therefore, it behooves us to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness. We, as believers in the Body of Christ in the United States of America, do call for a year of humiliation, fasting and prayer to turn the nation back to God.”

Ok, so maybe that was an oversight…. but plagiarism is illegal.

Next we have Chuck Pierce’s involvement in this. It has been proven that he makes prophetic predictions based on the writings of the Kabbalah:

“According to Chuck Pierce, all months have some sort of spiritual (mystical, actually) significance. This, he claims, is because God created each month that way. Like much of what Mr. Pierce claims, however, that’s not in the Bible. So where did he come up with that idea? Quite simply, he got it from Kabbalah.”

http://wyattroberts.blogspot.com/2008/05/chuck-pierce-and-kabbalah-month-of.html
http://wyattroberts.blogspot.com/2008/08/chuck-pierce-robert-heidler-respond-to.html

But the BIGGEST problem with this whole thing is that the pastor whose church they are meeting at on Wednesday is a MEMBER OF THE SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY!

According to Rich Vermillion:
“So in short, Dan Stratton was certainly NEVER a Christian (much less a Christian minister, as he professes himself to be). I have known Dan Stratton personally, and have also researched the S&B fairly extensively. Stratton’s initiation rites into that satanic cult required him to swear total allegiance to the enemy of our souls, satan himself. Thus, unless he repents and renounces that black cult publicly and exposes their hidden secrets, he is to be shunned as a false-brother and false apostle—as I will elaborate concerning even further below”
http://richvermillion.com/tag/skull-and-bones/

See also this article by Cutting Edge:
“However, we have a real problem, because Pastor Don Stratton has admitted his membership in the satanic secret society, Skull & Bones! Let us review this video to see him, and his wife, Ann, being interviewed on Pat Robertson’s ‘700 Club’.Watch this video from ‘700 Club’ admitting he is a Bonesman, a member of Skull & Bones

Pat Robertson asks Dan Stratton to confirm that he is a member of “Skull & Bones”, to which Dan replies that, “yes, it is true”.

But, then Stratton defends his membership, largely by attempting to make the organization appear harmless.

“Don’t hold that against me, a lot of Christians don’t like the idea. But, I have had the chance to preach the Gospel, in that group. Many of my friends in that club have come to know the Lord. People put a lot of Masonic connotations to it, but they never made me make any oaths or do anything which have compromised my Christianity.” http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2241.cfm

This was also admitted in an article published by the NY Times and at one time was posted on Faith Exchange’s web site:

“Stratton is not a bed-of-roses kind of guy. He vividly recalls how, as a poor jock from the sticks, he was mocked for his clothes and called Big Bird by the rich kids at Yale. Still, by his senior year, he was a major figure on campus, second team all-Ivy, starring in school productions of “West Side Story” and “Man of La Mancha” and even playing Larry in “Boys in the Band.” During his junior year, he became a member of Skull and Bones. This affiliation isn’t mentioned in Stratton’s book; a lot of evangelical Christians, he says, are put off by what they regard as the Satanic symbolism of the club, whose members include both George W. Bush and John F. Kerry.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/17/magazine/17wwln_evangelicals.t.html?pagewanted=print

Here are some quotes from the Quotes from the “Prophetic Destiny of a Nation” 50 State Tour for New York

“God is looking to see if we will lay down our own agendas and agree to connect with one another, which is His agenda!” Dutch Sheets – NYC, NY

“A state wide call to gather and worship will come forth and a NEW sound will arise.” Chuck Pierce – Albany, NY

“60 houses of revival will spring forth throughout New York State!” Chuck Pierce – Rochester, NY
“A prophetic sign will be given during the spring thaw!” – Dutch Sheets – Rochester, NY

Our “Empire State” will become “His Kingdom State!” – Joseph Askins – declared in each city of the tour
I think we should mark these down and see if any of them come true and then call the prophets false who make false predictions!

Christians, it’s time to WAKE UP! Come OUT of Babylon! Then maybe we will see a move of God in America!

http://mkayla.wordpress.com/2010/03/30/cindy-jacobs-promotes-prayer-with-skull-and-bones-pastor/

zone · Jul 1, 2011

Nationwide - Transformations Modeled Emergency Response

Apostle Doug Stringer (also in ceremony described above) is head of Somebody Cares, a Transformation Ministry which has become a major organization in the faith-based emergency operations of Christian Emergency Network and its activities for FEMA and Homeland Security. Christian Emergency Network defines its mission as "re-defining emergency response with a Biblical worldview, seizing emergencies as God's opportunities for Kingdom expansion."

Founded by members of the Mission America Coalition, CEN is a "a standing partner with the Dept. of Homeland Security National Preparedness Committee, the Dept. of Homeland Security Faith-Based Office, Homeland Security Institute, CERT (Citizen Emergency Response Team), Citizens Corps, and the Center for Disease Control (links: 1, 2).

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SEE ALSO:

Homeland Security Enlists Clergy to Quell Public Unrest if Martial Law Ever Declared

http://www.ksla.com/story/6937987/homeland-security-enlists-clergy-to-quell-public-unrest-if-martial-law-ever-declared?redirected=true

zone · Jul 1, 2011

Austin, Texas: Seven Mountain Strategies for Taking Austin

Austin has a city impact roundtable which uses the Seven Mountain Strategies for the taking of the "Kingdom" through the taking of seven "gates." The Gate of Government is the first item on the strategy document, and the first item under that heading is to "repent for giving dominion away to the enemy." Number three on the list is "Force God's government everywhere," and further down the list, "Christian favor within prisons." The document goes on to cover the other six "gates" for the successful taking of the Kingdom, which are consistent with the Seven Mountains Strategy developed by Apostle Lance Wallnau.

Ephrata, Pennsylvania: Transformations Summit

In April 2006, during his reelection campaign, Senator Rick Santorum spoke at the "2nd Transformations Summit" in Ephrata, Pennsylvania. Santorum spoke on "Partnership Between Ministry and Government." The event featured Apostle Alistair Petrie, Director of International Operations for the Sentinel Group, one of the original proponents of spiritual mapping and warfare, and considered a leader in bringing Apostolic "renewal" to Anglican/Episcopalian Churches.

Ruth Ruibal, Transformations Associate and featured in the Colombia segment of Transformations I; and Steve Fry, Transformation Associate of Steve Fry Ministries. Other events at the convention, according to Petrie'ministry accounts after the event, included a "reconciliation" session between the Amish and non-Amish. Petrie expressed a desire for his ministry to spend more time with the Amish later. Other topics included: Releasing Heaven on Earth, Guarding the Gates, Releasing Destiny, Healing the Land. Also participating was Dove Christian Fellowship International led by Apostle Larry Kreider and headquartered in Lititz, PA. - Link to article.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/30/112544/49

zone · Jul 1, 2011

......The history leading up to this event is actually more complex. It is intricately connected to the Fuller Theological Seminary Latter Rain leaders. It is the tip of an iceberg – part of a much bigger plan to change the way people pray and live their lives. Prayer is proving to be a useful tool to make everyone feel like they are “stakeholders” in the coming global transformation of church and society. Prayer activities are also a good way to infuse new doctrines. In some promotional literature, the GDOP is referred to as “grassroots,” but that is misleading. There is very little “local” other than the location. This is a global Plan.

Vonette Bright, wife of Bill Bright of Campus Crusade, is credited with launching the worldwide prayer movement at the Seoul, Korea International Prayer Assembly for World Evangelisation in 1984. This event launched a whole new style of public prayer activity: prayer marches, prayer journeys, Jesus Marches, lighthouses, prayer concerts, prayer canopies, and prayer initiatives. New doctrines about prayer were concocted and promoted by C. Peter Wagner, John Dawson, Cindy Jacobs, Ed Silvoso, John Maxwell, Chuck Pierce, Dick Eastman, Luis Bush, George Otis and others. These new doctrines included: strategic-level spiritual warfare, identificational repentance, prayer evangelism, personal intercession for leaders, two-way prayer, on-site praying, city transformation, commitment to the land (territory) and spiritual mapping (databanking research)......

Partnering with business is a unique and essential feature of the GDOP. According to www.faithandworkresources.com, “Business and ministry leaders are leading the way” for the Global Day of Prayer. The International Coalition of Workplace Ministries is one such organization. Os Hillman of ICWM and the Atlanta Global Day of Prayer has written a number of articles about how cities and marketplaces can be “transformed.” Business leaders are referred to as “gatekeepers” and “catalysts” and potential “financiers” for “transformation.” Peter Drucker, Bob Buford, C. Peter Wagner and Alistair Petrie are just a few of the architects of this city-wide and marketplace transformation movement. Businessman Graham Power, who founded “Transformation Africa” and heads up the GDOP, lists C. Peter Wagner as his advisor in the Transform World Market Place. ...

zone · Jul 1, 2011

04 September 2002

Peter Drucker on 'the near future'

By Jim Pinto

At 92 (born in 1909), famed sage and management guru Peter Drucker is more than ever incisive, challenging, and mind stretching. In his latest articles, published after 11 September, he explained how the future will differ from today and what we need to do to prepare for it.

The "new economy" may or may not materialize, but there is no doubt the next society will be with us shortly. In the developed world-and probably in the emerging countries as well-this "new society" will be more important than any "new economy." It will be quite different from the society of the late twentieth century and different from what most people expect. Much of it will be unprecedented. And most of it is already here or is rapidly emerging.

In the developed countries, the dominant factor in the next society will be the rapid growth in the older population and the rapid shrinking of the younger generation.

Will the corporation survive? Peter Drucker insisted it will, but not as we know it. In the future, there will be not one kind of corporation but several different ones. Legally and perhaps financially, it may look much the same. But instead of there being a single model everyone adopts, there will be a range of models to choose from.
Drucker's most recent book Management Challenges for the 21st Century (2000) includes new and revolutionary ideas and perspectives on the central management issues of the new century. This book is forward looking and forward thinking. Those who prepare themselves for the new challenges today will be the new leaders who will dominate tomorrow. If you are in management of any kind, you must read this book.

ISA | Pinto's Point: Peter Drucker on 'the near future'

zone · Jul 1, 2011

WHO IS PETER DRUCKER?

WHAT IS THE NEW APOSTOLIC RESTORATION MOVEMENT REALLY ABOUT?

WHO WANTS TO GAIN CONTROL OF CHRISTIAN CHURCHES?

Peter Drucker, the Kabbalah, and Total Quality Management (TQM)

Communitarians refer to the creation of a world government as the effort to create a “healthy society.”The goal of the church growth movement (CGM) is to manipulate Christians and churches into this healthy society.“Health-based” language is sometimes used in the CGM.Some church growth leaders desire “healthy churches” and “healthy congregations” made up of “healthy Christians.”A healthy church would be one in which all members are willing to compromise the Word of God for the common good.

Communitarians believe that attaining a healthy society involves the successful merger of the 3 sectors of society.It requires a merger of the government sector, the private sector (business) and the social sector (which includes the churches).This merger is also known as “Drucker’s 3-legged stool,” named after its main proponent, Peter Drucker, who is considered to be the “father of modern management.”Peter Drucker, like Amitai Etzioni, was a Communitarian and was also a student of the Kabbalah.

According to Roger Oakland’s “Bob Buford, Peter Drucker, and the Emerging Church,” Peter Drucker, like Amitai Etzioni, shared a bond with the Kabbalist, Martin Buber.Roger Oakland stated, “Drucker felt a strong bond…with a panentheist/ mystic named Martin Buber (1878-1965), who embraced the teachings of Hasidism (Jewish mysticism).” In his book, “Between Man and Man” (New York, NY: Routledge Classics, 2002, first published in 1947), p. 219, Buber states, ‘Since 1900 I had first been under the influence of German mysticism from Meister Eckhart [a mystic] ... then I had been under the influence of the later Kabalah [Jewish mysticism] and of Hasidism.’” 32.

Communitarianism

zone · Jul 1, 2011

the FOUNDATION of N.A.R. and related groups and power bases is DISPENSATIONAL THEOLOGY.

zone · Jul 1, 2011

if you are involved in Scofieldian based New Apostolic Restoration activity, you are connected to the beast.

my suggestion would be repent and pick up your Cross and follow Jesus.

zone

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Communitarianism, Amitai Etzioni, and the Kabbalah

Communitarianism is a “Third Way” compromise between Capitalism and Communism.Communitarianism is not Fascism nor is it Communism, but a synthesis of these opposing ideologies which preceded it.It draws government-business partnerships from Fascism and employs group decision-making from Communism.

Communitarianism will resemble a corporate state (Fascism) in which the elite will work under capitalist rules to continue generating wealth while the working class will be controlled by Communist model laws.The Communitarian synthesis incorporates not only elements of Fascism and Communism, but also Globalism.

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According to Niki Raapana, co-founder of the Anti-Communitarian League, “The leader of the unheralded transition to a communitarian system in the U.S. is the Israeli Zionist founder of the Communitarian Network, Dr. Amitai Etzioni.” 5. Amitai Etzioni, born a German Jew named Werner Falk, is a former member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the founder of American Communitarianism, the founder and director of the Communitarian Network, and possibly the most influential man in American politics today.

According to Amitai Etzioni, “Nationalism must be ended. It is a creed that has come to burden the expansion of globalism.” 6. “The communitarian agenda is to eliminate all nations and establish an all-powerful, central global government.” 7.

Amitai Etzioni was a student of Martin Buber at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. 8. Martin Buber was a German Zionist Jew and a Kabbalist who embraced the teachings of Hasidism.“In addition to studying Kabbalah with Gershom Scholem, Etzioni worked with Buber himself…” 9. “…he [Amitai Etzioni] studied the Kabbalah and the Hegelian dialectic.” 10.

http://www.thirdgreatawakening.org/communitarianism.htm

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

Lifelike · Jul 3, 2011

If i had 17 yrs available i would sit and read through this lol...

FireOnTheAltar · Jul 3, 2011

Here's the thing about amillenialism that makes it unbelievable. John teaches in Revelation that during the milleniem Satan will be bound and cast into hell. This obviously has not happened yet. If we are truly living in the millenium and this NAR is everything Zone is making them out to be then the devil & his minions are clearly still on the job Anyone else see the contridiction?

zone · Jul 3, 2011

FireOnTheAltar said:

1) john nevers says hell, it says abyss (a bottomless pit - ponder that one for a moment).
2) Revelation is book which uses symbolic language, it is a book of VISIONS.
3) what does "on the job" mean?
4) what is satan "bound" from doing before the time at the end of redemptive history?
is there a list of hands-off activities presented in Rev 20? or one thing mentioned he can not do?
5) what is meant by deceive the nations (gentiles)?
6) there's no contradiction whether you are amillennial or have a 1,000 year millennium: you still have to see that satan is bound until just before the end, then released to do ONE THING which is mentioned: deceive the nations. how many times does he gather the nations to do battle with the Lamb?
7) do you see anywhere in scripture it says we'll suddenly see a red 7 headed dragon on a hill and know satan has been released?
8) is there anything anywhere as a second witness to Rev 20 that tells us what ELSE is happening at the time of satan's release? - YES. 2 Thessalonians 2, which takes place BEFORE the Second Advent.

2 Thessalonians describes apostasy - falling away, deception, lying signs and wonders, and strong delusion - these are flags.

here's what it looks like as simply as possible:

First Advent........................history.......................>satan's short space>Second Advent

satan short space:

2 Thessalonians 2 >> chronological teaching of eschaton by Paul, includes satan restrained.
Revelation 20 >> vision described in symbols to John, covers all of Messianic History from First to Second Advents, from HEAVEN, includes satan bound.

did Jesus say satan was bound/restrained from doing something?

Matthew 12
24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebub,d the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 “Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
30 “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.31 And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

is Jesus King now?

4runner · Jul 4, 2011

zone said:

Most (nar) people i know of are post trib. Dispensationalist are pretrib????????

zone · Jul 4, 2011

4runner said:

Dominionism is the basis for each FLAVOUR of Dispensational Theology.

"post-trib" is merely another variety of the same animal as "pre-trib" since they BOTH:

1) deny the Finished Work of Christ
2) deny that His Kingdom is not of this world

both are "sects" within Christianity that are being manipulated into Dominionism, for satan, not Christ.

they both have the same end game, the same behind-the-scenes operators, and spring from the same SOURCE.

beware the Leaven of THE PHARISEES.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 4, 2011

zone said:

Sorry but I have to but in here, and help a dear dear friend understand what it is we really believe.

1. Post, mid or pre-trib does not deny finished work of Christ. If Christ's work was not finished. there would be no pre-mid-post-trib or ammillenial belief because there would be no resurrection.

2. Christ's kingdom is not of this world. Yet Jesus said his kingdon was at hand over 2000 years ago. We are living in his kingdom. We will live in his heavenly kingdom after our resurrection. And there will be a literal 1000 year kingdom where Christ will rule from David's throne in Jerusalem. These are three aspects of Christ's kingdom. We are still in the first aspect of his kingdom. The church.

zone · Jul 4, 2011

eternally-gratefull said:

hi bud!

ok....sounds good.

eternally-gratefull said:

but, for example, these systems require that Daniel 9 be unfulfilled. that means Unfinished Work, unfulfilled prophecies.

Daniel's prophecy was concerning SOMETHING THAT HAD LONG BEEN PROMISED TO the israelites and jerusalem ( to the EXACT day Jesus would officially be anointed at the Jordan. - this is the BIG PROMISE! THE SEED!

that ancient prophesy to Daniel describes exactly what was accomplished, and what is reckoned to all who believe - the jew first, THEN the gentile.

so His Work is Finished, ONCE for ALL (jew & gentile), or none of it is Finished, since this passage is either about Jesus or it is not:

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

to finish the transgression
to make an end of sins
to make reconciliation for iniquity
to bring in everlasting righteousness
to seal up the vision and prophecy
to anoint the most Holy

by inserting ANY gap into this passage or substituting Jesus or Titus with someone else effectually denies His Finished Work.

a few varieties of dispensationalism severe the 70th week (where Christ was anointed, crucified, and rose from the dead at MID WEEK) and places at the end of the Messianic era rather than the beginning! THIS "KEEPS HIM OFF HIS THRONE" (not possible), and KEEPS HIM FROM BEING THE MESSIAH (not possible) i.e:

to anoint the most Holy:

John 1
Behold, the Lamb of God
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is he of whom I said, ‘After me comes a man who ranks before me, because he was before me.’ 31 I myself did not know him, but for this purpose I came baptizing with water, that he might be revealed to Israel.” 32 And John bore witness: “I saw the Spirit descend from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him. 33 I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ 34 And I have seen and have borne witness that this is the Son of God.”

to bring in everlasting righteousness :

The Baptism of Jesus
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. 14 John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

etc.

also, a careful reading of the sequence of events concerning the going forth of the Gospel FROM JERUSALEM; a reminder of the fact that the ekklesia was almost exclusively jewish (though with some gentiles); then the gentiles brought in absolutely does not allow Romans 11 to suggest

1) jewish universalism
2) a GAP, or Postponment of The Kingdom because some jews rejected Him.

the whole purpose of these GAPS inserted is to keep the world from knowing and believing that

1) Jesus fulfilled all righteouness
2) Jesus is King now
3) His kingdom is not of this world.

by blurring these realities, we have what we see today: Dominionism.

christian zionism is one form (christians unknowingly building the kingdom for the Pharisees on theological grounds)

christian dominionism is another form (christians unknowingly doing exactly the same thing on geo-political grounds).

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according to Rev 20, the first resurrection is the death and seating in Heaven of each individual Christian between both Advents.

the second resurrection is at the Second Advent for Judgment, just after satan's short space.

eternally-gratefull said:

nope.
He's "on" David's throne now - he is the last KING, the king of kings.
David doesn't have a literal throne that Jesus is sitting on - He is the fulfillment of the Davidic Covenant.

luv ya bud

zone · Jul 4, 2011

EG:

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

to finish the transgression
to make an end of sins
to make reconciliation for iniquity
to bring in everlasting righteousness
to seal up the vision and prophecy
to anoint the most Holy

Isaiah 53:5
But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed.

etc

NMsmile · Jul 4, 2011

Zone, thanks for the posts. Funny I recognized the teaching just didn't know it had a name. I appreciate your posts. It takes some concentration and some followup study on my part to understand what you are saying but I always learn something.

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