Was Adam the first man?

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kentappel

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Bones and fossil evidence has been found which shows that humans were on earth before Adam.

You can read a brief overview of the theory called "Pre-Adamism" here:

Pre-Adamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well, if we come from a biblical perspective, then there wasn't any human beings before God created Adam.

The thing is, science isn't always absolute truth anyway as what is fact can change with additional data. For example, before the invention of the microscope and ways to see that everything is composed of atoms, it was scientifc fact that everything, including ourselves, were not composed of tiny particles that the human eye cannot see.

I find it interesting that the Bible actually teaches that there are other planets out there in the universe before science ever knew this is the case because the word planet means wanderer and the ancients considered them to be wandering stars so they didn't know their true nature. Notice how the passage below says that the worlds, plural, were made throiugh Jesus Christ. Of course one could argue that the church believed there is just one world but the church down through the centuries hasn't always had everything correct. So it is the Bible and not the church which is our source.

Hebrews 1:1-4

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Regarding bones showing there were humans before Adam, how do we know that some of those bones weren't from Adam? I suppose one could argue that humans have been around for far more than the few thousand years that a lot of Christians believe they have been around but that still doesn't prove Adam was not the first human.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Hmmm

Genesis 1 said:
The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.
11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.
24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.


I've bolded the portion you need to re-read if you believe there were pre-adamite humans.
 

WomanLovesTX

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Bones and fossil evidence has been found which shows that humans were on earth before Adam.

You can read a brief overview of the theory called "Pre-Adamism" here:

Pre-Adamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If we come from a Biblical point of view, Genesis 1:26 God created male and females (adam meaning mankind) (pairs at one time - spoken into existence most commonly believed). After the 7th day resting, sometime after God "FORMED" only Adam from the dust and God breathed life into Adam (Adam being the name of the man). Then Adam needed a suitable helpmate and God put Adam to sleep and made Eve from one of Adam's ribs.

So if you take the Bible literally, there were 'people' before Adam and Eve. My conviction is that these 6th day people are the "sons of God" that found the daughters of Adam fair and took them as wives and the "sons of God" were not some type of demoms who came and took the daughters for wives. I do believe demons can possess a human body, but demons can never procreate because they are neither male or female. The 6th day male and female were told to multiply and be fruitfuly.

How long did the 6th day male and female live before the flood?
Where the 6th day male and female only mortal and died in the flood?
Or where the 6th day male and female immortal and flew off at the presentation of the flood?
If they were immortal, are they the responsible parties for the great wonders around the world, like the Egyptian pyramids, Myan temples, and crop circles, Easter Island, and on and on?
If they are real, where they building these phenomeno to warn us or to tell us of something in our future? Does future repeat itself? Is the Adam mankind just a similar repeat to the 6th day male and females? Should our generations (Adam's mankind) living on earth become extinct from global overheating or icing and we be found 10,000 years from now, will we have left enough information for the new people to understand?

All these things I do not know and understand. I do believe in more than one event of population. I believe if anything exist it exist purely because it is God's and He made it.

Keep an eye on science. For several decades they have been prooving the Bible right and agreeing with the Bible content.
 
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Heads up Unknowable! There are a LOT of questions about Radio Carbon dating - which is the usual method in modern archeology to determine the age of something. Recent evidence indicates that many factors can interfere with and even TOTALLY skew results. God bless you in your search for truth. May you find your way under Gods Grace.
 
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anonymous04

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Worldy thoughts come from the minds of those who belong to this world. Gods word says Adam and Eve were the first on this earth, Adam then Eve. Remember in Romans what Paul said about worldy thoughts, we must discard all of them. Gods word is the truth there is nothing more that needs to be said or debated unless you wish to allow Satan to stray your mind away from God's word. As I bielieve it was Jesus who said, How can you remind a friend of a spec in his eye when you have a log in your own? I my friend have many days with a cypress so I would be a hypocrite to not admit I have sinned in this same way. I warn you Refute all evidence and anything of this world that is not of God. There is no evidence of the Leviathan or Behemoth but GOD HIMSELF described both of them detail when speaking to Job in the book of Job. As sureley as they exsist God is the Master of all creation.
 
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dmdave17

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Ho hum....

As usual, "scientific" theories have been advanced which tend to limit the power of Almighty God. In my lifetime, I couldn't tell you how many times I have heard the question, "How could God possibly have ... ?", or the statement, "It couldn't possibly have happened that way.".

The thing is, with God everything is possible! He was stating a fact in Jeremiah 32, verse 27, when He said, “I am the Lord, the God of all mankind. Is anything too hard for me?"

It comes down to a matter of faith. What are you going to believe? In fact, most scientific pronouncements about prehistory require as much "faith" as the Bible. As for me, I am reminded of a bumper sticker which I saw some time back. It read, "God said it. I believe it. That settles it!".
 
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If there were people before Adam and Eve,God would of had to be involved with them,but did He create those people like the angels in the way that if they messed up they could not receive salvation,and when they messed up being influenced by Lucifer,God got rid of them and started with Adam and Eve and then gave them the choice of the tree in the garden or to follow Him.

The people before Adam and Eve might of not had a choice like Adam and Eve,nothing tempting them outside their self like Adam and Eve,like the angels had nothing to tempt them outside of their self,except pride.

Did God create people before Adam and Eve and when Lucifer rebelled and was kicked out of heaven he disturbed the people and caused them to rebel,but those people were not offered salvation if they messed up like the angels,and God got rid of them and started with Adam and Eve and offered people salvation if they messed up.

It could be that God created angels and people with no offer of salvation if they messed up,and when Lucifer rebelled and the fallen angels went with him,all the good angels that stayed with God would never see rebellion again,and God created Adam and Eve with an offer of salvation to people that messed up.

4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually(Genesis 6:4-5).


It sounds like the sons of God that came unto the daughters of men caused a class of people that were not on earth from the time of Adam and Eve until then,for the people they created were men of old men of renown,which sounds like that class of people were not on earth prior to the sons of God disturbing mankind,from the time of Adam and Even until then.


It could be the people that God created before Adam and Eve,the sons of God disturbed them and caused them to be evil,and they were those class of people like the class of people that were men of old,men of renown.


22For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
23I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end(Jeremiah 4:22-27).


Jeremiah chapter 4 is God dealing with Israel and telling them if they did not straighten up they would be punished,and then describes when He beheld the earth it was without form and void,which can only occur at Genesis chapter 1,and then describes at the same time that He beheld the earth,and it was without form and void,that the birds of heaven had fled,and there was no man,as if they were on earth before Adam and Eve,but rebelled and God overthrew them,and God is telling Israel that if they did not straighten up the same thing would happen to them.


I do not know if there were people before Adam and Eve,but there could of been.
 
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Hmmm





I've bolded the portion you need to re-read if you believe there were pre-adamite humans.
Jimmy there is evidence for human beings well over 100,000 years old. I even take it much back further than that.

Please explain to me what you think the neanderthal man was? Or the Cro-Magnon man?

The Cro-Magnon man goes back atleast 40,000 years. And the Neadnderthal well over 100,000 years.... please explain what you think about this?
 
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Scotth1960

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Bones and fossil evidence has been found which shows that humans were on earth before Adam.

You can read a brief overview of the theory called "Pre-Adamism" here:


Pre-Adamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No one has ever found the bones of Adam, the first human being, whether you believe in Creation by God according to Genesis 1-2 in the Bible, or evolution in the alleged fossil record according to the supposedly scientific dogma of Charles Darwin of evolution by natural selection. So, there is no proof whatsoever about who the first human being was, and when and where and how long he lived. Christians and evolutionists alike do not know for sure where the body of Adam, the first real human, is.
 
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No one has ever found the bones of Adam, the first human being, whether you believe in Creation by God according to Genesis 1-2 in the Bible, or evolution in the alleged fossil record according to the supposedly scientific dogma of Charles Darwin of evolution by natural selection. So, there is no proof whatsoever about who the first human being was, and when and where and how long he lived. Christians and evolutionists alike do not know for sure where the body of Adam, the first real human, is.
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Nicely said! But there is evidence that human beings were on earth before Adam. Based on dating.
 
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AnandaHya

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Nicely said! But there is evidence that human beings were on earth before Adam. Based on dating.
yes and people can't make stats mean different things and dating is so perfect. :rolleyes:

The Radiometric Dating Game

so Unknowable do you believe the Bible to be the inspired infallible word of God?

just curious to see where you stand :)

oh your profile says not Christian that explains a lot.
 
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yes and people can't make stats mean different things and dating is so perfect. :rolleyes:

The Radiometric Dating Game

so Unknowable do you believe the Bible to be the inspired infallible word of God?

just curious to see where you stand :)

oh your profile says not Christian that explains a lot.
Please explain to me what you think the neanderthal man was? Or the Cro-Magnon man?
 
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AnandaHya

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Please explain to me what you think the neanderthal man was? Or the Cro-Magnon man?
I don't. I leave it in God's hands. Its called faith. You place it in the books your read and science and what the world tells you. Have you done the test yourself? Have you verified their results? Or do you just trust that those scientists aren't lying to you and themselves?

I place my trust in God for I know Him but these people who speak of such things, they I do not know. If I could be given the opportunity to run the test myself and research it farther myself that might be a different story.

how do people arrive at the dates? do you even know?

has anyone actually recorded the half-life decay of those elements for a prolonged period of time as in the same period of time it is said to be able to predict?

why do they assume a stable rate of decomposition? what if something caused it to decay faster?

for example if you place fruit in a sealed plastic bag it will decay at a certain rate. However if you place it in a compost heap and mix it and allow air and bacteria to do their job then the decomposition or rate of decay is vastly increased.

how do you know there was not a catalyst that would throw off the mathematical calculations?

what do you base your beliefs on?
 
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Slepsog4

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Let God be found true, and every man a liar.

Science cannot PROVE that a fossilized bone is older than Adam.

Scripture explicitly says:
1. Eve is the mother of ALL living and she came from Adam's rib.
2. Adam is called the first man.
 
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Worldy thoughts come from the minds of those who belong to this world. Gods word says Adam and Eve were the first on this earth, Adam then Eve. Remember in Romans what Paul said about worldy thoughts, we must discard all of them. Gods word is the truth there is nothing more that needs to be said or debated unless you wish to allow Satan to stray your mind away from God's word. As I bielieve it was Jesus who said, How can you remind a friend of a spec in his eye when you have a log in your own? I my friend have many days with a cypress so I would be a hypocrite to not admit I have sinned in this same way. I warn you Refute all evidence and anything of this world that is not of God. There is no evidence of the Leviathan or Behemoth but GOD HIMSELF described both of them detail when speaking to Job in the book of Job. As sureley as they exsist God is the Master of all creation.


Did you draw your avatar is is really nice? Good reply too!
 

Dude653

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Natural selection is an oxymoron...survival of the fittest..Why did it survive, because it was the fittest. How do we know it was the fittest? Because it survived...
 
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Scotth1960

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Bones and fossil evidence has been found which shows that humans were on earth before Adam.

You can read a brief overview of the theory called "Pre-Adamism" here:

Pre-Adamite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
No one has ever identified the bones of Adam and Eve, so this is patently absurd! A lie!

God bless you. But keep yourself from saying things that simply are not true. Do not believe in what the Darwinists say. Charles Darwin's theory of evolution of humans by natural selection is a racist theory that teaches the superiority of the white European races over the blacks at the lower end of the evolutionary tree from Africa, with people evolving from the lower African origins of man in East Africa, to the higher, more superior and intelligent forms of man in evolution in places especially like Great Britain (the United Kingdom, England).
 
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FireOnTheAltar

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*shaking head*

Here comes the Cromagnon / Neanderthal debate again.

Ever notice how scientists, who believe Neanderthals to be a primitive subspecies of Cromagnon (which essentially are modern humans), have yet to find a the skeletal remains of a Neanderthal child?

Considering that humans before the flood lived for several centuries, several mentioned in the bible lived over 900 years, could be that the bones of neanderthals are actually the remains of people who lived to the ripe old age of 500, 700 or 900 years? Could you imagine what their skeletons must look like as a result of aging over such a long period of time?
 
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jaydawg888

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The Cro-Magnon man goes back atleast 40,000 years. And the Neadnderthal well over 100,000 years.... please explain what you think about this?
You just quoted the two "fossils" that even the most adamant of evolutionist scientists have been trying to back away from ever since they found out about how one was faked and the other was just an old man with a deformity.. (I don't remember which, I'll go get my sources. Just trying to chime in before this discussion gets to in depth with page numbers.)