Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

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Those that love God and their neighbor speak the truth even when it is not easy, nor convenient. Those that love themselves more than God, and also fear the response of men turn and blind eye and say nothing. Sadly those that do speak up, speaking the truth in love with boldness often find themselves asking the same question Paul asks in Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
 

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Those that love God and their neighbor speak the truth even when it is not easy, nor convenient. Those that love themselves more than God, and also fear the response of men turn and blind eye and say nothing. Sadly those that do speak up, speaking the truth in love with boldness often find themselves asking the same question Paul asks in Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
you don't know the truth.
you think you fulfill those commandments to God's standards?
WHAT A JOKE!

2009-11-15am-PJ
No Other gods
Phil Johnson
(Series: PJ-CDA03)
Exodus 20:3
Listen

i hope you maintain your sinlessness.
offend in one part of the Law you broke 'em all.

you won't listen to that sermon - it'll reveal what a sinful, prideful heart makes such a declaration as you make.
 
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you don't know the truth.
you think you fulfill those commandments to God's standards?
WHAT A JOKE!

2009-11-15am-PJ
No Other gods
Phil Johnson
(Series: PJ-CDA03)
Exodus 20:3
Listen

i hope you maintain your sinlessness.
offend in one part of the Law you broke 'em all.

you won't listen to that sermon - it'll reveal what a sinful, prideful heart makes such a declaration as you make.
Titus 3:2 To speak evil of no man...
 

zone

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Titus 3:2 To speak evil of no man...
i can't think of anything more evil than to shipwreck the faith of new christians by telling them they'll be without sin.
way to go 4runner. one hypocrite creates another and another and another.
no need to prayer the Lord's Prayer.
no need to confess your sins (you have none).
 
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i can't think of anything more evil than to shipwreck the faith of new christians by telling them they'll be without sin.
way to go 4runner. one hypocrite creates another and another and another.
no need to prayer the Lord's Prayer.
no need to confess your sins (you have none).
I can think of something worse...telling them that they are still sinners
 
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I can think of something worse...telling them that they are still sinners
One of the most unloving things you can do to another person is to wink at their sin or to disregard their high calling to live before God. A good friend will hold your "feet to the fire" and help you stay honest with yourself. He or she will encourage you to "press on" to the high calling you have in the LORD. No one wants to be ''judged'', but do you want someone to love you enough to care?
 
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One of the most unloving things you can do to another person is to wink at their sin or to disregard their high calling to live before God. A good friend will hold your "feet to the fire" and help you stay honest with yourself. He or she will encourage you to "press on" to the high calling you have in the LORD. No one wants to be ''judged'', but do you want someone to love you enough to care?
AMEN!! AMEN!!
 
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And you're not ? What's your secret ??
The freedom Christ offers us all.

John 8
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
 
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The truth is bitter. And the worst thought a believer can carry around is the thought that he or she after been saved is a Sinner!!!

If i tell jokes once in a while, does it make me a Comedian?

same, If i sin once in a while and ask for forgiveness, does it make me a sinner?
 
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The freedom Christ offers us all.

John 8
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
AMEN AMEN!
 

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same, If i sin once in a while and ask for forgiveness, does it make me a sinner?
if you sin one in awhile it makes you sinner.

are you a sinner or not Tobby?
 
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if you sin one in awhile it makes you sinner.

are you a sinner or not Tobby?
Haha. That is so untrue. That is certainly the voice of Satan. Trying to bring in condemnation. No way!! Jesus Christ cleanses you of all sin!! Trying to promote sin Zone? I am ashamed.

No one is saying they havent sinned, that would make grace uneccesary. But to promote sin in grace is evil.
 
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EXCUSES FOR SIN
''We are saved by grace, not by works''
''We live under grace not under the law''
''Where sin abounds grace does much more abound''
''There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
''Even Paul could not do the thing that he would, yet did the things he did not want to do''
"If you say you have no sin you make God a liar''
''All who believe will be saved''
''I am a sinner saved by grace''

None of these statements (except the last one) in themselves are incorrect, they are indeed biblical. But when twisted by Satan to justify sin, they become very dangerous.
 

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One of the most unloving things you can do to another person is to wink at their sin or to disregard their high calling to live before God. A good friend will hold your "feet to the fire" and help you stay honest with yourself. He or she will encourage you to "press on" to the high calling you have in the LORD. No one wants to be ''judged'', but do you want someone to love you enough to care?
wink at their sin?
HOW ABOUT BE HONEST? (you're not able to be honest)

....so you're the guy who holds somebody else's feet to the fire?

what? did the Holy Spirit need a vacation? are you a little HS in training?

i see this all the time: you're headed for a BIG FAT FALL my hubris-filled friend.
and, since you've declared yourself righteous, you'll have to hide it, won't you.

then we know what you will be.
a white-washed sepulchre - looks real good on the outside.

God's word is the sword, the Holy Spirit is working in every believer (except maybe the ones who don't feel correction...says they are bastards)
 
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if you sin one in awhile it makes you sinner.

are you a sinner or not Tobby?
No i am not a sinner

You're smart, but obviously you can't out smart me if you know what i mean :D

Answer my questions please. As a matter of fact, they just got more!

1) If i play football once in a while, does it make me a footballer?
2)If i sing once in a while, does it make me a musician?
3)If i tell jokes once in a while, does it make a comedian?

So now, if i sin once in a while, does it make me a sinner..
 

zone

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EXCUSES FOR SIN
''We are saved by grace, not by works''
''We live under grace not under the law''
''Where sin abounds grace does much more abound''
''There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus''
''Even Paul could not do the thing that he would, yet did the things he did not want to do''
"If you say you have no sin you make God a liar''
''All who believe will be saved''
''I am a sinner saved by grace''

None of these statements (except the last one) in themselves are incorrect, they are indeed biblical. But when twisted by Satan to justify sin, they become very dangerous.
excuses for sin.
justify sin.
promote sin.

always the hue and cry of the OH SO RIGHTEOUS MAN.

Luke 18
The Pharisee and the Tax Collector
9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”
 

zone

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No i am not a sinner

You're smart, but obviously you can't out smart me if you know what i mean :D

Answer my questions please. As a matter of fact, they just got more!

1) If i play football once in a while, does it make me a footballer?
2)If i sing once in a while, does it make me a musician?
3)If i tell jokes once in a while, does it make a comedian?

So now, if i sin once in a while, does it make me a sinner..
do you sin once in awhile? yes or no?
 

zone

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No i am not a sinner

You're smart, but obviously you can't out smart me if you know what i mean :D

Answer my questions please. As a matter of fact, they just got more!

1) If i play football once in a while, does it make me a footballer?
2)If i sing once in a while, does it make me a musician?
3)If i tell jokes once in a while, does it make a comedian?

So now, if i sin once in a while, does it make me a sinner..
1) If i play football once in a while, does it make me a footballer? YES BUT LIKELY NOT A GOOD ONE
2)If i sing once in a while, does it make me a musician? YES BUT LIKELY NOT A GOOD ONE
3)If i tell jokes once in a while, does it make a comedian? YES BUT LIKELY NOT A GOOD ONE