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12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.13 For it was Adam who was first created , and then Eve.14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self -restraint. 1 Tim 2:12-15 (NASB)
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Cmw I agree, and its based on this....my mother in law listens to this woman all the time, its a WOMANS ministry from what i have seen , and it aint been much, mostly womens issues, and the like. Now, that bein said, if a man chooses to sit under her, thats between him and God, not me ,him and God. As I said, shes not my personal preferance, therefore what she does she answeres for, not me.
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I love her as my sister, but she is teaching an error.
I do believe God can raise up women to serve Him in the mission field but her testimony is circumpsect regarding her anointing which she claimed meant for her to go into the mission field when the "Spirit" came unto her again and she began to speak in tongues.
Others have had this same experience.. even an elderly lady across the street, but she did not interpret that as an anointing. It is because of that experience that she believed that was the moment she was saved because she was redaing her Bible in the kitchen at the table. She testified that the Spiriit came over her and she began to speak in tongues. I had asked her what was she reading that made her believe in Jesus. She did not know what I meant and sidetracked the question by continuing her testimony of going to her pastor and inquiring what had occurred because she was a believer before that incident. Her pastor just pointed to the Book of Acts.. chpater 2 , I reckon.. and said that was it.
So she nor Joyce Meyers tested the spirit, but tried to understand what had happened and fit it into the Bible. Joyce Meyers took it to mean an anointing seperate from her baptism of the Holy Spirit at salvation but in that... she is teaching error for she received the anointing... the snactification.. the filling to be filled... the sealing to be sealed... the fire.. the power.. all of that... at the moment of salavtion that doesn't require an outward sign as we receive the Spirit of promise by faith.
Galatians 3:14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 11: 1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ...
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
So many believers take this extra phenomenon and want it to be of Goid so they fit it into teh Bible, and if you ever note... they all call the experience.. they same experience.. something else and yet supposedly done by the same Spirit. All this phenomeneon accomplished is caused confusion about the faith in Jesus Christ... and thus chnaging their testimony and bearing witness of something else in His name... broadening the Way in approaching God the Father by causing many to chase after the Holy Spirit or more of Him. As my neighbor across the street chnaged her testimony as to when she was saved, thus bearing witness to others in that is what they need to know that they are saved.
2 Corinthians 11:3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
1 Corinthians 12: 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Ephesians 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Colossians 2:5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
This is why and how we are to be witnesses of Him in what He has done.
Matthew 9:17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
1 Corinthians 6: 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
2 Corinthians 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
So the broadening of thw Way has occurred when they preach another baptism of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation for believers to seek after, but by doing so, they have suffered their houses to be broken through by a thief and thus great is the fall of that house for climbing up another way in offering an invitation or another door to God to enter instead of Christ Jesus.
John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. .......... 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Jesus meant what He said as this is the commandment of His invitation so that beleivers may avoid false spirits as well as false prophets.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
I do believe God can raise up women to serve Him in the mission field but her testimony is circumpsect regarding her anointing which she claimed meant for her to go into the mission field when the "Spirit" came unto her again and she began to speak in tongues.
Others have had this same experience.. even an elderly lady across the street, but she did not interpret that as an anointing. It is because of that experience that she believed that was the moment she was saved because she was redaing her Bible in the kitchen at the table. She testified that the Spiriit came over her and she began to speak in tongues. I had asked her what was she reading that made her believe in Jesus. She did not know what I meant and sidetracked the question by continuing her testimony of going to her pastor and inquiring what had occurred because she was a believer before that incident. Her pastor just pointed to the Book of Acts.. chpater 2 , I reckon.. and said that was it.
So she nor Joyce Meyers tested the spirit, but tried to understand what had happened and fit it into the Bible. Joyce Meyers took it to mean an anointing seperate from her baptism of the Holy Spirit at salvation but in that... she is teaching error for she received the anointing... the snactification.. the filling to be filled... the sealing to be sealed... the fire.. the power.. all of that... at the moment of salavtion that doesn't require an outward sign as we receive the Spirit of promise by faith.
Galatians 3:14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith....26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 11: 1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. ...
6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
So many believers take this extra phenomenon and want it to be of Goid so they fit it into teh Bible, and if you ever note... they all call the experience.. they same experience.. something else and yet supposedly done by the same Spirit. All this phenomeneon accomplished is caused confusion about the faith in Jesus Christ... and thus chnaging their testimony and bearing witness of something else in His name... broadening the Way in approaching God the Father by causing many to chase after the Holy Spirit or more of Him. As my neighbor across the street chnaged her testimony as to when she was saved, thus bearing witness to others in that is what they need to know that they are saved.
2 Corinthians 11:3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
1 Corinthians 12: 13For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Ephesians 4:4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Colossians 2:5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
This is why and how we are to be witnesses of Him in what He has done.
Matthew 9:17Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
1 Corinthians 6: 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
2 Corinthians 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
So the broadening of thw Way has occurred when they preach another baptism of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation for believers to seek after, but by doing so, they have suffered their houses to be broken through by a thief and thus great is the fall of that house for climbing up another way in offering an invitation or another door to God to enter instead of Christ Jesus.
John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. .......... 7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Jesus meant what He said as this is the commandment of His invitation so that beleivers may avoid false spirits as well as false prophets.
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
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I think that Joyce Meyers is a good Pastor. I belive in speaking in Tongues,The Holy Spirit touches people. As far as I think women can be pastors. I know that Man was Created first then women but why cant a women spread the word of God? Unless it says something about it in the Bible. I have read some of the Bible but not all. She is spreading Gods word that's cool.
you know i watched Joyce Meyer alot and i read her book for teens and her book was an answer to prayer, who are we to say that God wouldnt use a woman and He uses anyone for His glory, and as told by cmw and noahsmom her ministry is more based for woman. i love my pastor from church but i also ask woman from the church advise and i tell them things i know would be more useful for me to hear from another woman, because men cant relate to a woman like another woman can. so im all for Joyce meyer and if your not then thats whats in your heart, she reaches alot of ppl for Christ and she i believe speaks what God tells her in her spirit.
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Except women can't be pastors (or bishops/overseers, there all the same thing) because it does say something in the Bible about it...
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1 Tim 3:1-7 (KJV)
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; Titus 1:6-7 (KJV)
1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
1 Tim 3:1-7 (KJV)
6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; Titus 1:6-7 (KJV)
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I have not seen a lot of her teachings but from what I understand she teaches a be a better you gospel similar to Joel osteen. If we took the time to read the word of God we will see that Jesus an the apostles preached a Gospel of dying to self, carrying your cross, Forsaking everything for Christ. Also as stated before women are not to be teachers among men.
Straight from the source (her own website):
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/AboutJoyce/
The very first sentence says "Joyce Meyer is one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers."
And at the end of the page, it presents all her PhD's in theology.
The page says nothing to indicate that she just does women's ministry.
So I sure do get the impression that she has set herself up, or allowed herself to be set up, as "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers", to people in general, both men and women -- not a woman's ministry.
Look at two scriptures here.. one about what women should not be trying to do, and another about what women should be doing instead.
Here's the one regarding what they should not be doing:
1 Timothy 2:
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
Now, even if she's not doing it in an official "church"... is there really much difference at all?
And look at this scripture, which tells what mature older gifted women can/should do -- this is true "women's ministry":
Titus 2:
3Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
Now take an honest look at those two poles:
1 Timothy 2 which says what Joyce Meyer should not do: she should not try to teach the Bible in general to men and women (setting herself up as "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers"), or having any authority over men (which she inevitably does, being "one of the world's leading" Bible teachers, and being the head of this huge ministry which is not specifically for women)
and Titus 2 which says what she should do: she should teach younger women womanly things (including, loving their husbands and children, being subject to their husbands, etc.). And by the way, there is a HUGE need for women in today's society to be taught and encouraged in these things.
Now tell me, honestly, which pole is she closer to? The one regarding what she should not try to do, or the one regarding what she should do?
And by the way, looking at her article database at http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/EverydayAnswers/ I cannot find some of these womanly topics that she's supposed to teach (like Titus 2 says), such as women being subject to their husbands, loving their husbands, being busy at home, etc. (help me find it if you can). I find every other topic. (Yes, I know there are many other practical things for women to deal with but still the main ones that Titus 2 mentions seem to be oddly missing, at least from the list I see on her site.) Joyce Meyer could do a world of good if she would focus on teaching women, and teaching those womanly things that are so sorely neglected today. Instead of trying to be "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers", teaching men and women all of the Bible.
And look at this: if this doesn't settle the question, I don't know what will. Straight from her own website:
Joyce Meyer began teaching the Word of God in 1976 and entered full-time ministry in 1980. She started by developing, coordinating and teaching a weekly meeting as an associate pastor in a church in St. Louis, Missouri. After 5 years she established her own ministry called Life In The Word.
So, she began as an associate pastor of a church, teaching a weekly meeting. Are you telling me that she wasn't teaching and having authority over men? Then she basically moved up to doing it on a much larger scale, actually.
And here:
Is Joyce Meyer an ordained minister?
So, she was "ordained" to be a pastor over men and women, became an associate pastor of a church, with authority over men, and even now she occasionally does the preaching at a church (but not every Sunday because she's too busy being "one of the world's leading" Bible teachers, to her new "worldwide congregation" of both men and women). So, these are some facts. So there's no question about her violating the very scripture that she's teaching -- if you take 1 Timothy 2 to mean what it says. And all that, my friends, is not setting a good example for other women to follow.
http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/AboutJoyce/
The very first sentence says "Joyce Meyer is one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers."
And at the end of the page, it presents all her PhD's in theology.
The page says nothing to indicate that she just does women's ministry.
So I sure do get the impression that she has set herself up, or allowed herself to be set up, as "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers", to people in general, both men and women -- not a woman's ministry.
Look at two scriptures here.. one about what women should not be trying to do, and another about what women should be doing instead.
Here's the one regarding what they should not be doing:
1 Timothy 2:
11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
Now, even if she's not doing it in an official "church"... is there really much difference at all?
And look at this scripture, which tells what mature older gifted women can/should do -- this is true "women's ministry":
Titus 2:
3Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
Now take an honest look at those two poles:
1 Timothy 2 which says what Joyce Meyer should not do: she should not try to teach the Bible in general to men and women (setting herself up as "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers"), or having any authority over men (which she inevitably does, being "one of the world's leading" Bible teachers, and being the head of this huge ministry which is not specifically for women)
and Titus 2 which says what she should do: she should teach younger women womanly things (including, loving their husbands and children, being subject to their husbands, etc.). And by the way, there is a HUGE need for women in today's society to be taught and encouraged in these things.
Now tell me, honestly, which pole is she closer to? The one regarding what she should not try to do, or the one regarding what she should do?
And by the way, looking at her article database at http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/EverydayAnswers/ I cannot find some of these womanly topics that she's supposed to teach (like Titus 2 says), such as women being subject to their husbands, loving their husbands, being busy at home, etc. (help me find it if you can). I find every other topic. (Yes, I know there are many other practical things for women to deal with but still the main ones that Titus 2 mentions seem to be oddly missing, at least from the list I see on her site.) Joyce Meyer could do a world of good if she would focus on teaching women, and teaching those womanly things that are so sorely neglected today. Instead of trying to be "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers", teaching men and women all of the Bible.
And look at this: if this doesn't settle the question, I don't know what will. Straight from her own website:
Joyce Meyer began teaching the Word of God in 1976 and entered full-time ministry in 1980. She started by developing, coordinating and teaching a weekly meeting as an associate pastor in a church in St. Louis, Missouri. After 5 years she established her own ministry called Life In The Word.
So, she began as an associate pastor of a church, teaching a weekly meeting. Are you telling me that she wasn't teaching and having authority over men? Then she basically moved up to doing it on a much larger scale, actually.
And here:
Is Joyce Meyer an ordained minister?
- Joyce was ordained over 25 years ago. She has a worldwide congregation through the Enjoying Everyday Life television and radio programs. Joyce speaks regularly at public conferences in the United States and around the world. She also preaches occasionally at the St. Louis Dream Center church, an inner-city outreach of Joyce Meyer Ministries.
So, she was "ordained" to be a pastor over men and women, became an associate pastor of a church, with authority over men, and even now she occasionally does the preaching at a church (but not every Sunday because she's too busy being "one of the world's leading" Bible teachers, to her new "worldwide congregation" of both men and women). So, these are some facts. So there's no question about her violating the very scripture that she's teaching -- if you take 1 Timothy 2 to mean what it says. And all that, my friends, is not setting a good example for other women to follow.
So can we just be honest here. If you don't apply 1 Timothy 2 to mean what it sure seems to mean, then just say that. But please don't say that Jocye Meyer just does women's ministry, and does not teach and have authority over men. 
God bless you all.
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There is no obedience (1. Cor 14; 1. Tim 2) and sencondly she teaches a lot of errors. But this has to be because she teaches pentecostal doctrines.
What a christianity who tolerates all this. Ecumenism, secularisation, superficiality, godlessness. This is Laodicea.
14And to the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: These things says the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:
15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot; I would thou wert cold or hot.
16Thus because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spue thee out of my mouth.
17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and am grown rich, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that *thou* art the wretched and the miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked;
18I counsel thee to buy of me gold purified by fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white garments, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness may not be made manifest; and eye-salve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
19I rebuke and discipline as many as I love; be zealous therefore and repent.
20Behold, I stand at the door and am knocking; if any one hear my voice and open the door, I will come in unto him and sup with him, and he with me.
21He that overcomes, to him will I give to sit with me in my throne; as *I* also have overcome, and have sat down with my Father in his throne.
22He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies.
The lord is outside of Laodicea. We exchanged biblical truth with human oppinions.
What a christianity who tolerates all this. Ecumenism, secularisation, superficiality, godlessness. This is Laodicea.
14And to the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: These things says the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God:
15I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot; I would thou wert cold or hot.
16Thus because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I am about to spue thee out of my mouth.
17Because thou sayest, I am rich, and am grown rich, and have need of nothing, and knowest not that *thou* art the wretched and the miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked;
18I counsel thee to buy of me gold purified by fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white garments, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness may not be made manifest; and eye-salve to anoint thine eyes, that thou mayest see.
19I rebuke and discipline as many as I love; be zealous therefore and repent.
20Behold, I stand at the door and am knocking; if any one hear my voice and open the door, I will come in unto him and sup with him, and he with me.
21He that overcomes, to him will I give to sit with me in my throne; as *I* also have overcome, and have sat down with my Father in his throne.
22He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies.
The lord is outside of Laodicea. We exchanged biblical truth with human oppinions.
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