Church of Christ

[Enoch987]

I grew up in the CoC. The emphasis on baptism made me think that obeying the Sermon on the Mount was necessary for salvation. The preacher preached red faced yelling sermons. He was from Indiana. A few years ago, I visited the CoC that I grew up in. A different pastor with a more evangelical view of salvation "it's in the water where the Spirit meets the blood."
No musical instruments, I heard that is true of southern CoC but not in the northern USA.
there was a country song, "hit the bar on Saturday night, Church of Christ on Sunday morn."
I got the impression that attending CoC was cultural for many in the southern USA.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I compair the two in work only, one is an OT work people said was required to be saved, one is a NT work people claim must be done to be saved.

As for the two different works,

Circumcision is the act of a person physically doing something performed on you, This thing done to represents what has been done to make you cleansed.

Water baptism is the act of a person physically doing something to you, or performing on you, the thing done represents what has been done to make you cleansed

Circumcision never saved one person. Whether they had belief or not (abraham was given the sign, after we are told he was saved, So yes, Many people did it yet did not believe, yet many people do. We can say the same thing for baptism. Anyone can get baptised in water, whether they understand what it represents, or they believe truly in God does not matter, and again, No one was saved because a pastor immersed them in water.

Paul in Collosians puts the two together. Where he says we were spiritually circumcised by God, by being baptised by the very hand of God himself. Ie, the circumcision done without hands is the spiritual baptism which is performed by the hs. Being baptised INTO his death.


Anyway, I ramble, I hope you see where I am coming from.

i totally see where you’re coming from. It’s really neat to see how two people can take one topic and look at it differently. That’s how we learn I guess. Instead of arguing we could learn so much from each other and the differing ways of thinking. It could be so edifying, humbling and inspiring. I hope I can do more of this. Instead of “YOURE WRONG” I need to learn why people see things the way they do. I really need to grow more spiritually.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I grew up in the CoC. The emphasis on baptism made me think that obeying the Sermon on the Mount was necessary for salvation. The preacher preached red faced yelling sermons. He was from Indiana. A few years ago, I visited the CoC that I grew up in. A different pastor with a more evangelical view of salvation "it's in the water where the Spirit meets the blood."
No musical instruments, I heard that is true of southern CoC but not in the northern USA.
there was a country song, "hit the bar on Saturday night, Church of Christ on Sunday morn."
I got the impression that attending CoC was cultural for many in the southern USA.

I’m in Tennessee and I think the churches here are more legalistic in some areas.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I grew up in the CoC. The emphasis on baptism made me think that obeying the Sermon on the Mount was necessary for salvation. The preacher preached red faced yelling sermons. He was from Indiana. A few years ago, I visited the CoC that I grew up in. A different pastor with a more evangelical view of salvation "it's in the water where the Spirit meets the blood."
No musical instruments, I heard that is true of southern CoC but not in the northern USA.
there was a country song, "hit the bar on Saturday night, Church of Christ on Sunday morn."
I got the impression that attending CoC was cultural for many in the southern USA.

Its probably the same as I found it to be in the baptist church, Go to two different churches, and you will see focus on different things, What one denounced, the other may hold up.

its hard to relate a whole churhc just because one church may believe this way or that way, Thats why trying to denounce a denomination is not all that productive.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I’m in Tennessee and I think the churches here are more legalistic in some areas.

Is Tennessee considered part of the Bible Belt?

 

[Elizabeth619]

Is Tennessee considered part of the Bible Belt?

Oh yes! My town is actually known as the birthplace of southern gospel music.

 

[MichaelOwen]

Oh yes! My town is actually known as the birthplace of southern gospel music.

Absolutely! I lived in Dayton, Tennessee for a while, and they are home to Bryan College...one of the firmest bible colleges I have seen around.

Which town are you from?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh yes! My town is actually known as the birthplace of southern gospel music.

Music does something to the soul. I love some good ole gospel. As well as all types.. Praise God. Anyway, that might be why it would tend to be a little more legalistic as it usually is in all denominations in the big ole Bible Belt

 

[Elizabeth619]

Music does something to the soul. I love some good ole gospel. As well as all types.. Praise God. Anyway, that might be why it would tend to be a little more legalistic as it usually is in all denominations in the big ole Bible Belt

The Kelly’s are a big gospel singing group and they’re from here. I’ve never heard them tho lol.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Kelly’s are a big gospel singing group and they’re from here. I’ve never heard them tho lol.

Lol.. I grew up with my dad listening to gospel. And country.. I guess it is embedded in my psyche..lol

 

[Elizabeth619]

Lol.. I grew up with my dad listening to gospel. And country.. I guess it is embedded in my psyche..lol

I’ve met a few country singers here and didn’t realize it. Years ago I saw George Jones on our town square. He was walking and stopped and said hi and talked a little. I had NO CLUE it was him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I’ve met a few country singers here and didn’t realize it. Years ago I saw George Jones on our town square. He was walking and stopped and said hi and talked a little. I had NO CLUE it was him.

I imagine it may be like that in heaven, Be talking to someone for awhile. Then find out the person was abraham, or paul, or Daniel, and you did not even know it.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Well, it’s been fun but time to get ready for work..... be back after 7:00 CST LOL

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, it’s been fun but time to get ready for work..... be back after 7:00 CST LOL

Don;t work to hard. And thanks for a joyous conversation

 

[Bladerunner]

Facts?? Lol give it up dude.

I have a whole file on the CoC and believe me, they were established during the Restoration period of the 1800 and broke away from the Mormon Church completely. They still maintain that Smith rewrote parts Revelation and are Preterist thru and thru. Their headquarters are in Independence Mo. and all their leaflets are distributed from there. They do not like it when you call them a denomination. There are several thousand Church of Christ in the USA and 90% are within this umbrella...The others have broken away from the local Churches of Christ and have formed their own churches, most all with different names.

I did not mean to start a fire storm but denial is not one of my faults and I have many. I was simply handing out what I had found. It is out there, all one has to do is search or they can believe their Church of Christ pastor who will more than likely tell them what they want to here. It has been done before!

 

[DJ2]

What a Joke. I am going to be honest here, If i offend you forgive me, I can not believe you write the stuff you do and actually believe it, it boggles my mind that you can sit there with a straight face and say the things you do.

I do not understand what definitive means? Really? So you know people and thats your argument? Wow.


Here let me help you, And just remember, as you read this, You claim Christ did not do these things..

definitive,

serving to provide a final solution or to end a situation

• a definitive victory

• could not give a definitive diagnosis

2 : authoritative and apparently exhaustive

• a definitive critical biography

3 a : serving to define or specify precisely

• established definitive guidelines for sentencing criminals

b : serving as a perfect example : quintessential

• a definitive bourgeois

• A slow race is the definitive Leechfield competition. You win it by coming in last.
• —Mary Karr

4 biology : fully differentiated or developed

• a definitive organ

5 of a postage stamp : issued as a regular stamp for the country or territory in which it is to be used

Yep. This is the way Jesus spoke

1. He spoke with authority (whoever does this (believe) will get this (eternal life))
2. He spoke and established guidelines (he who believes vs he who does not believe)
3. He spoke and re-iterated, the final solution to the problem with sin is the cross, And our faith in the cross (he who believes)
4. He gave his life as an example

You want to ignore it, and say Jesus spoke without authority and left things out. Go ahead, and feel free to do that, Thats on you. Period.

I am rather appreciative of your candor and find no malice in your words. I have been called many harsh names and your replies do not offend.

John 3:16 like much of the verses used by faith alone regeneration believers are written in the general, this is not wrong just useful. If we spoke or wrote in the definitive we would be exhausted. When Jesus spoke these words He was attempting to teach Nicodemus a very different concept then what he was used to. Jesus was speaking in very general terms, this short middle of the night conversation was not an all encompassing discourse on all things spiritual. Jesus simply laid out the need to be born of water and the spirit and to believe in Him. Jesus never uttered a single word in the definitive and with good reason, because there was more for Nicodemus to learn. Was Jesus speaking with authority, of course. Was He speaking definitively, of course not.

On the issue of general vs. definitive statements it is important to understand that a definitive statement is rather easy to make. It is the ease to which this is true that makes the notion of faith alone regeneration theology laughable. For such a simple understanding to be presented would take little effort on the part of the writers of the New Testament. A simple "faith alone" or "believe only" would be rather easy to insert if we are saved simply be believing. As a matter of fact any of the following would do:

1. it is faith alone
2. it is faith only
3. it is solely faith
4. it is faith exclusively
5. it is faith and nothing else
6. it is merely faith
7. it is just faith
8. it is singularly faith
9. it is uniquely faith
10. it is particularly faith
11. it is individually faith
12. it is without exception faith
13. it is wholly faith
14. it is entirely faith
15. it is completely faith

If we are simply saved by faith alone verses such as Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16, 1st Peter 3:21, Mark 16:16 etc. would not exist.

 

[DJ2]

I have a whole file on the CoC and believe me, they were established during the Restoration period of the 1800 and broke away from the Mormon Church completely. They still maintain that Smith rewrote parts Revelation and are Preterist thru and thru. Their headquarters are in Independence Mo. and all their leaflets are distributed from there. They do not like it when you call them a denomination. There are several thousand Church of Christ in the USA and 90% are within this umbrella...The others have broken away from the local Churches of Christ and have formed their own churches, most all with different names.

I did not mean to start a fire storm but denial is not one of my faults and I have many. I was simply handing out what I had found. It is out there, all one has to do is search or they can believe their Church of Christ pastor who will more than likely tell them what they want to here. It has been done before!

Dear Mr. Bladerunner,

I have been an active member of the Church of Christ since 1984 and can promise you that we are not a undercover Mormon Church. I have debated Mormons many times and know their doctrines well. They see us like they see most others, as people needing to be converted to Mormonism. We see the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants as bogus. Joseph Smith is seen as simply one among many false prophets. Because of the biblical nature of the name "church of Christ" it is common for groups to want to use it as their moniker.

Yours truly,

DJ2

 

[DJ2]

Is Tennessee considered part of the Bible Belt?

Tennessee is not just part of the Bible Belt, it is the buckle that hold the Christian pants on this nation. It also has the highest per capita number of Churches of Christ in the world.

 

[DJ2]

No mention of salvation or forgiveness of sins, either. Your rebuttal fails.

Pure and undefiled before God the Father seems rather forgiven to me. Not that I think it is a all encompassing verse. Never the less, faith is not mentioned.

 

[Laish]

Tennessee is not just part of the Bible Belt, it is the buckle that hold the Christian pants on this nation. It also has the highest per capita number of Churches of Christ in the world.

Just a little clarification there are over 120 different and distinct denominations world wide that call themselves Church Of Christ. That’s why the confusion here .
Blessings
Bill