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    There are alot of misunderstanding about the new covenant, some believe we are in it now because of Yeshua's death and resurrection. It sounds good, but Yeshua renewed God's original covenant to Abraham. By becoming the final sacrifice for sin.

    All I ask is just read the following scripture with prayer and study and let God show you what it is.

    Ezekiel 37:15-23 15) Again the Word of the Lord came to me, saying,16) "As for you, son of man, take a stick for yourself and write on it: For Judah and for the children of Israel, his companions. Then take another stick and write on it. For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel, his companions.17) Then join them one to another for yourself into one stick, and they will become one in your hand.
    18) And when the children of your people speak to you, saying, "Will you not show us what you mean by these?"
    19)"say to them, "Thus says the Lord God: "Surely I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel, his companions; and I will join them with it, with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they will be one in My hand."
    20)"And the sticks on which you write will be in your hand before thir eyes.
    21) "Then say to them, "Thus says the Lord God: "Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land.;
    22) "and I will make them ONE Nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one King shall be King over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again.
    23) "They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.

    Here's how we know that this isn't happened yet is the last verse. But hang on there's more.

    Jeremiah 31:31-34
    31)"Behold the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah
    32)"not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a HUSBAND to them, says the Lord.
    33)"But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My Torah/law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
    34)"No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord, for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.

    Now from reading this, it coincides with Ezekiel and shows Israel is not in this place yet, especially verse 34. Now look at Isaiah

    Isaiah 2:2-4 Now it shall come to pass in the latter days That the mountain of the Lord's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains, And shall be exalted above the hills; And all nations shall flow to it.
    3)Many people shall come and say "Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord. To the HOUSE of the God of JACOB; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths." For out of Zion shall go forth the Torah/law, And the Word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
    4) He shall judge between the nations, And rebuke many peopl; They shall beat their swords into plwshares, And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war anymore.

    It is clear that this does not happen till Yeshua returns and becomes King of Kings and proclaims His kingdom. Especially reading verse 4

    Hebrews 8:8-13 8) Because finding fault with them, He says, "Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah
    9) "not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord
    10) "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God and they shall be My people.
    11) "None ofthem shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, "Know the Lord, FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
    12) "For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more."
    13) In that He says, " A new covenant, " He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    Now look at this, Hebrews here is a direct quote from Jeremiah, and as we can see, Israel physical or spiritual has not become to the point of not needing to teach one another.

    First God is saying He will restore Israel(Ephraim) and Judah back into Israel from among all the nations in the world, which has never happened. It started in '48' but has picked up in the last 20 yrs. but will not complete until Yeshua returns.

    Then Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Hebrews all describe the same thing about healing Israel, Torah being in there heart and mind and no more war and God wiping away there iniquities.
    We know this hasn't happened because Israel has alot of idolatry going on and is commiting alot of sin right now before the Lord.
    And finally we see that the new covenant that hebrews is talking about (that is directly quoted from Jeremiah as I've put above ) did not go into affect at the cross as some believe, because otherwise hebrews when quoting Jeremiah would have stated that it has now been completed instead of showing it yet to be done. Especially since Hebrews was written after Yeshua ascended into Heaven.

    So in verse 13 we know the first covenant is becoming obsolete(not yet done) it is growing old ready to vanish away, and when Yeshua returns, He will activate the new covenant with Israel.

    Here is a clear case of how scripture backs up scripture. Especially when the NT quotes the OT. Shalom

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    More scripture that goes with this is Micah 4:1-5

    1) Now it shall come to pass in the latter days, That the mountain of the Lord's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains. And shall be exalted above the hills; And peoples shall flow to it.
    2)Many nations shall come and say, "Come and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths," For out of Zion the Torah/law shall go forth. And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
    3) He shall judge between many peoples, And rebuke strong nations afar off, They shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war anymore.
    4) But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree. And no one shall make them afraid, For the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken.
    5) For all people walk each in the name of his god. But we will walk in the name of the Lord our God forever and ever.

    We can see that this confirms all the other scripture as well. shalom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avinu View Post
    More scripture that goes with this is Micah 4:1-5

    1) Now it shall come to pass in the latter days, That the mountain of the Lord's house Shall be established on the top of the mountains. And shall be exalted above the hills; And peoples shall flow to it.
    2)Many nations shall come and say, "Come and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, To the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, And we shall walk in His paths," For out of Zion the Torah/law shall go forth. And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
    3) He shall judge between many peoples, And rebuke strong nations afar off, They shall beat their swords into plowshares, And their spears into pruning hooks; Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, Neither shall they learn war anymore.
    4) But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree. And no one shall make them afraid, For the mouth of the Lord of hosts has spoken.
    5) For all people walk each in the name of his god. But we will walk in the name of the Lord our God forever and ever.

    We can see that this confirms all the other scripture as well. shalom
    Micah is saying that there will stil be people walkign under THERE OWN God, while The LORDS people
    "go to the mountian of the LORD"

    But Hebrews says we are AT his holy mountain allready

    Hebrews 12:22-24
    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

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    Micah is saying that there will stil be people walkign under THERE OWN God, while The LORDS people
    "go to the mountian of the LORD"

    But Hebrews says we are AT his holy mountain allready

    Hebrews 12:22-24
    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
    deadflesh, you left out verses 18-21 of Hebrews 12, which is more evidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avinu View Post
    deadflesh, you left out verses 18-21 of Hebrews 12, which is more evidence.

    I dont see how, please explain, this could very well be my miss-understanding,

    But 18-21 talk of Mount Sinai. NOT Zion...im not sure the point?

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    Micah is saying that there will stil be people walkign under THERE OWN God, while The LORDS people
    "go to the mountian of the LORD"
    Yes, there are those who will try to disobey, Zech. 14:17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

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    Also: Jeremiah 31:33 Says "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

    Which was fulfilled IN the spirit IN Christ

    2 Corinthians 3:3
    You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

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    Also: Jeremiah 31:33 Says "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people."

    Which was fulfilled IN the spirit IN Christ

    2 Corinthians 3:3
    You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
    Yes, this is correct about what Jer. says. Now you have to ask yourself, when has this ever happened. Yeshua's first coming did not bring this about. They are not sitting with there neighbors both knowing that God is God of all, they have not had there iniquities wiped away for them to be God's people and God their God. There is so much false religion in my land it's crazy. These are things yet to come. That why when I've said the new T. actually is a wrong translation, it is called The Brit Hadeshah, which means renewed covenant. Please re-read the Jer. and the Hebrews scriptures I put, Hebrew is a direct quote, why quote it if Yeshua fulfilled it at the cross. It should say it was completed. Shalom

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    titus 1:16
    They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.

    1 thess 4:5
    not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;

    2 thess 1:8
    in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.


    We know god i nthe SPIRIT. GODS whoel objective was to get a remnant of people who wanted to OBEY HIM adn KNOW HIM

    We do that IN THE SPIRIT. We deny self(flesh) adn then GOD teaches us about hismelf.

    Our iniquities are whiped away in JESUS. He who sets free are free indeed. We DONT WALK in victory becasue we stil dwell in the FLESH

    But knowing GOD is in the SPIRIT. Those born of god, get the mind of CHRIST, becasue HE is the only one to know and see god, when we receive his mind we ALSO know adn see God, so no MAN can ever tell us no longer to KNOW the LORD...becasue we know him allready...in the spirit, we see him, and we know him

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    since israel and Gentiles are ONE now IN THE SPIRIT through CHRISTS BLOOD. Then Paul couldnt have been taling about physical gentiles, but spiritual ones.

    If we KNOW GOD we obey JESUS who is the mediator of the NEW COVENANT that is in action NOW.

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    John 6:45
    It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who listens to the Father and learns from him comes to me

    1 john 2:27
    As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadflesh View Post
    Micah is saying that there will stil be people walkign under THERE OWN God, while The LORDS people
    "go to the mountian of the LORD"

    But Hebrews says we are AT his holy mountain allready

    Hebrews 12:22-24
    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
    I have seen the explanation of the meaning of laws given on this thread; You are correct in giving witness of a greater purpose of the law; but not concerning things which we can see. The things we can see, and expressing them via the way of creation language, are the image (according to each kind) of things which cannot be seen. I also give willingly, the testimony of law being fulfilled according to the needs of the Temple, of which we are apart of and give witness.

    I will am shown the purpose of law, not according to the things we can see, but of a greater purpose. There is an Old Testament Law which says to sacrifice a lamb to redeem the foal of a donkey. Israel performed this according in the way of traditions, and did not understand what was given in there hands to do. Later, the temple built by the hands of men was destroyed, and still there are Jews who want to go back to the old sacrifices which is absolutely useless for them. The Sacrifice of a Lamb to redeem the foal of a donkey was/ and is to this day being fulfilled in each of us. Jesus asked for the foal of a donkey upon which no man sat in the place of authority, and He rode that foal into Jerusalem and gave His life. If a person is not shown creation language, they do not know how Jesus fulfilled that law within them. The foal of a donkey which you can see is about each and every one of us who was called for by the Word of God, and Jesus established the intent of this law within the person. The law today is given on a personal plain; one facet of a gem which reveals what is hidden in the law is also hidden in each of us until we give witness of the things Our Lord has done by His own hand.

    I know more about the donkey which reaches inside of a person, revealing who we are and why we are that way in God's sight. Please believe that it isn't what a person might guess concerning the foal of a donkey. The law given in creation language is specifically given "according to each kind." There is purpose.

    Jesus said, "If you say you can see, you remain in your sin." If we look at the world according to the things which seem right to us; we are going in the wrong direction, and are being taught to do this even though Jesus has said that we are blind and in need of healing.
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    [QUOTE
    titus 1:16
    They profess to know God, but by their deeds they deny Him, being detestable and disobedient and worthless for any good deed.

    1 thess 4:5
    not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God;

    2 thess 1:8
    in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.


    We know god i nthe SPIRIT. GODS whoel objective was to get a remnant of people who wanted to OBEY HIM adn KNOW HIM

    We do that IN THE SPIRIT. We deny self(flesh) adn then GOD teaches us about hismelf.

    Our iniquities are whiped away in JESUS. He who sets free are free indeed. We DONT WALK in victory becasue we stil dwell in the FLESH

    But knowing GOD is in the SPIRIT. Those born of god, get the mind of CHRIST, becasue HE is the only one to know and see god, when we receive his mind we ALSO know adn see God, so no MAN can ever tell us no longer to KNOW the LORD...becasue we know him allready...in the spirit, we see him, and we know him
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    ][/QUOTE] All of what you're saying is good, but brother I'm talking about the New Covenant that is coming when Yeshua returns and restores the two houses of Israel. This has nothing to do with christians, for we will have become in our perfect form when Yeshua does this. And even right now God has not just wiped away our sins, Yeshua died for our sins, but our sins are not forgiven unless we repent.

    With Israel, Ezekiel 36:21-27
    21) "But I had concern for My Holy Name, which the house of israel had profaned among the nations wherever they went.
    22) "Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God; "I dO NOT DO THIS FOR YOUR SAKE, O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, BUT FOR MY HOLY NAME'S SAKE, which you have profaned among the nations wherever you went.
    23) "And I will sanctify My great Name, which has been profaned among the nations, which you have profaned in their midst; and the nations shall know that I am the Lord, " says the Lord God, "when I am hallowed in you before their eyes.
    24) "For I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land.
    25) "Then I will sprinkle clean water on you and you shall be clean; I will cleanse you from all your futhiness and from all your idols.
    26) "I will give you a new heart and put a new SPIRIT within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
    27)" I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will kepp My judgements and do them.

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    34)"No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord, for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.

    1John2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and that ye need not that any man teach you, but as the anointing teacheth you
    of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.



    13) In that He says, " A new covenant, " He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    [Passing away isnt the sense of going away in the future. It speaks of fading away in its glory]
    1Peter 1:3 to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefield, that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you.

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    Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel . The church was to preach to only Israel. Then the gentiles came in after the two sticks were there. We are
    all togather now one Lord, one Spirit, one baptism now.

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    Jesus came to the lost sheep of Israel . The church was to preach to only Israel. Then the gentiles came in after the two sticks were there. We are
    all togather now one Lord, one Spirit, one baptism now.
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    Abiding I have always enjoyed and respected what you post, but please show me where my country has had the two houses of Israel restored, because I don't see it here. The majority of hebrew people here are jews and Bejamites, there are not many of the Northern tribes(Ephraim) here. Granted they are coming in more and more each yr. But the house of Israel was not in Israel in Yeshua's days. All of Israel will not become one with us in Yeshua until Yeshua returns and there eyes are opened. Please read my last post on Ezekiel 36. Shalom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abiding View Post
    34)"No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, "Know the Lord, for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.

    1John2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of Him abideth in you, and that ye need not that any man teach you, but as the anointing teacheth you
    of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in Him.



    13) In that He says, " A new covenant, " He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

    [Passing away isnt the sense of going away in the future. It speaks of fading away in its glory]
    1Peter 1:3 to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefield, that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you.

    (chuckle), I like the "whatcha thinkn?" I just gave a witness of the things I've been shown, so that there is evidence of Spirit's work. "We no longer need to be taught by our neighbor" is also a power witness for all those who come to know Jesus and the design of His plan for each of us as we follow Him. Everyone ought to be enabled to share how the Spirit of our Lord has formed each of us in His hand. We are not shaped by the hands of men who built a temple that is destroyed. God created heaven and earth, and rested. Jesus became the finisher of that work; shaping living stones to build The Everlasting Temple. There is no other carpenter on this earth who can do this. This is how I understand The Carpenter's Son.

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    Land doesnt always mean land as in physical dirt, or nation in the bible. Abraham, was looking for a city whos builder and maker was God.
    everlasting seldom means everlasting in the bible, as we think of it. All the rituals and circumcision were eternal or everlasting.
    Mountains seldom ever means mountains.
    eternal seldom means eternal.
    just gabbing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Avinu View Post
    Abiding I have always enjoyed and respected what you post, but please show me where my country has had the two houses of Israel restored, because I don't see it here. The majority of hebrew people here are jews and Bejamites, there are not many of the Northern tribes(Ephraim) here. Granted they are coming in more and more each yr. But the house of Israel was not in Israel in Yeshua's days. All of Israel will not become one with us in Yeshua until Yeshua returns and there eyes are opened. Please read my last post on Ezekiel 36. Shalom
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abiding View Post
    K i talk too much sometimes, I might be lonely
    you can have more cookies if you like

    John 18:36
    Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

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